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Computer hanging up
From
Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Nov 12 01:38:58 2021
I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system
I also have
I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower, with Windows 7 Professional,
SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
System type : 64-bit operating system
and (external hard drives)
(8500)
WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Hard Drive
(780)
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
Internal Hard Drive
This concerns the 8500; twice now, yesterday and today
it hung up on me. Yesterday, I left it to shut down and
when I returned today it was still 'in the process' of
shutting down, so I powered it off.
Then today when working with my Dell Imagining it got
hung up again and the Dell Imagining was not responding.
I tried to end it with Task Manger multiple times but it had
no effect. I then decided to restart the computer but again it
got hung up when shutting down and I had to power it off.
Why is my computer hanging up? Is there anything else I can do
besides powering it off? I'm afraid of damaging the HD when
I do that but I see no recourse when it hangs up using Dell Imaging
and/or during restarting and Task Manger has no effect.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
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Paul@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Fri Nov 12 08:35:17 2021
On 11/12/2021 4:38 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system
I also have
I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower, with Windows 7 Professional,
SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
System type : 64-bit operating system
and (external hard drives)
(8500)
WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Hard Drive
(780)
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
Internal Hard Drive
This concerns the 8500; twice now, yesterday and today
it hung up on me. Yesterday, I left it to shut down and
when I returned today it was still 'in the process' of
shutting down, so I powered it off.
Then today when working with my Dell Imagining it got
hung up again and the Dell Imagining was not responding.
I tried to end it with Task Manger multiple times but it had
no effect. I then decided to restart the computer but again it
got hung up when shutting down and I had to power it off.
Why is my computer hanging up? Is there anything else I can do
besides powering it off? I'm afraid of damaging the HD when
I do that but I see no recourse when it hangs up using Dell Imaging
and/or during restarting and Task Manger has no effect.
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert
https://dell-picture-studio.software.informer.com/
"Dell Picture Studio 4.0
Nothing more that Jasc Paintshop Pro 7
and Image Expert 2000 rebranded by Dell
"
Your Dell Picture Studio 2.0 could be an
earlier package bundle, including Image Expert 2000.
*******
Your failure to shut down could be:
1) A process that refuses to shut down.
The OS is in control, and after a sufficient
number of suitable 15 second intervals, should
succeed at fixing this.
2) Open registry hive. The OS can't shut down, unless
all registry items are properly put away. The registry
is journaled, so even if you turned off the power,
*some* version of the registry still exists. A modification
was added in WinXP era for this (registry problem), and
rather than being optional software, it was added
permanently to Vista and Windows 7. Consequently,
the registry can't refuse today, whatever they did to
fix that.
3) Something else :-)
The Something Else could include an aberrant behavior
by an AV program, or any number of other things. Anything
which has commandeered the machine, can prevent shutdown.
At one time, the networking stack could hold the OS hostage.
But that was around Win98 era or so. That's because the
networking stack seemed to be its own little blocking
thread of activity. And it could stall or jam up the OS,
if some packet sent, no response came back. But the network
stack has improved a lot since then, and while Win2K
frequently went into a tizzy at shutdown, they eventually
curbed that behavior. The networking stack was probably
OK in Win2K, but they didn't seem to have finished the
job at that point.
Vista was a rewrite, a major one, and the tasking model
likely changed at that point. When the OS project I
worked at, had it's "second version", all the hardware
timing changed on the OS, and when this happens, it
resets all your preconceived notions of what is going on.
I don't see too many good, health reasons, for a
jam-up at shutdown now. It leaves a tussle between
the AV and "something that doesn't belong" as a
possible reason.
You have two accounts on the machine ? Try booting
and logging in as the second account, then test the
shutdown. If that works, then that suggests the problem
is with the other profile. It's beyond my skill level,
to suggest a solution based on the test result though.
I know that one of your accounts was elevated and
the other was a Limited User, for exploit reduction.
But if the results differ between the two accounts,
that doesn't guarantee an answer about the root cause,
it just shows that the problem is Ring3 and account
specific. If both accounts mis-behaved, that hints
at Ring0, kernel, drivers, AV intervention at Ring0
level as if it was a driver.
Paul
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Mayayana@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Fri Nov 12 08:18:42 2021
"Robert in CA" <
RobCA1@yahoo.com> wrote
|I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
| with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
| and Windows firewall.
|
This is an XP group. You might want to ask in
alt.windows7.general. I have a Dell XPS. 615, I think.
Occasionally it just stops taking input, the screen goes
blank, and I have to unplug it. Haven't figured it out,
but I suspect it might be connected with using the
TV as a second monitor.
Slow shutdown can happen with all kinds of things.
You have a lot of bloated stuff running and it's probably all
updating itself. If it were me I'd start by inspecting what's
running and maybe also do some services weeding. Also
check the settings on your security army. Do you really
need all that stuff? If so, how does it run? Many of those
programs default to doing a malware scan on every file
you touch. That's already overkill. If 5 different programs
are doing such scans then most of the CPU time is probably
taken up with scanning. Most or all of the security software
could be set to only check likely probblems: downloads,
email and connected drives.
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Nov 12 14:35:32 2021
It actually happened a 3rd time after I posted but this time I just
reset the 8500 instead of powering off the server. I don't know why
I didn't think of that sooner but still doesn't resolve why the computer
is all of a sudden hanging up when it never had this problem before.
The computer has always been quick and responsive.
Yes, that is correct, it's an earlier version of Dell Imaging I'm using that came with the 8200 and since I have the disks so I just downloaded it to
the 8500 and 780 and I haven't had any issues before?
btw I did check the usage while on Task Manager and it was 5GB
I'll try logging on and off with the Admin account and see how it works
and let you know.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Nov 12 18:19:54 2021
I logged into my Administrator Account and ran malewarebtyes
and SuperAntiSpyware scans and browsed the news. I also noticed
it didn't have a home page icon but decided not to mess with it at this
time. After the scans finished I shut it down and it had no issues of
hanging up. Then I powered the server off. I then powered it back on
some time later and logged on to the User Account with no issues.
So that's where I am now.
Robert
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Paul@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Sat Nov 13 01:08:06 2021
On 11/12/2021 9:19 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I logged into my Administrator Account and ran malewarebtyes
and SuperAntiSpyware scans and browsed the news. I also noticed
it didn't have a home page icon but decided not to mess with it at this
time. After the scans finished I shut it down and it had no issues of hanging up. Then I powered the server off. I then powered it back on
some time later and logged on to the User Account with no issues.
So that's where I am now.
Robert
So it's something related to that account then ?
And you can't use Procmon, because the session never makes
a nice clean exit and you have to RESET the hardware, so there
would be no trace on the next startup to look at.
I don't know how to debug that, except through indirect analysis
of what has been added to the machine. Maybe something was
installed recently. It is probably not a driver, as the
Admin account shut down OK, and both would use the same
driver setup.
That leaves a Macrium Restore... again... to some date.
Paul
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 02:19:21 2021
It happened again, while I was working in Dell Imaging
but I was able to close it this time with Task Manager.
Then it again happened when I was watching a video on
You Tube. It just hung up in the middle! I had several other
windows open and toggled to each and they were all hung
up as well as Word and Dell Imaging. I couldn't even pull
up Task Manager! So had to restart the 8500 and went
through the usual abnormal shutdown routine to logon.
Is my motherboard failing? Could it be a bad HD? I'm just
guessing here. You read my mind about another Mrimg
restore to an earlier date than 10-2-21?
At present, just to play it safe I just have FF and Word open.
I sure have had more than my share of off the wall problems!
So we'll do a Mrimg restore and hope that fixes it.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 05:12:13 2021
It seems something went wrong or I mislabeled the Mrimg because it looks like
it's from a year ago not from 9-2-21. I thought it look strange when it came back up.
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 04:48:10 2021
I did a Mrimg restore to 9-2-21 and saved all my important folders/files.
Macrium had an update to Version 8 and looked allot different than the
previous version and I had to wing it. It went into the PE mode again to finish the restore. I don't have many mrimgs left if this doesn't work. I wish you would
take a look at Version 8 and give me new instructions on how to do backups, clones and restore on Macrium. I think it would be prudent to make another backup
but there's just too many variables now and I don't know which to choose?.
When I came back online I had these pop-ups. I don't have any Apple products I'm aware of so I quit the update and the second threat pop-up just came up when I only had Word and Paint open. Then came up again with a voice which
is the first time that ever happened.
https://postimg.cc/470cm33h
https://postimg.cc/ykcR8sCk
I'm also missing my bookmark icon.
I hope this cures the hanging up.
Thoughts/suggestions,
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 04:58:27 2021
Also, could you please give me instructions to create a about:blank homepage icon
in firefox? I've tried to look for instructions but can't seem to find any.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 05:15:11 2021
Also Google doesn't look the same at all.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Paul@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Sat Nov 13 10:40:29 2021
On 11/13/2021 8:15 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Also Google doesn't look the same at all.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I would select an MRIMG a bit closer to the
current date. You might have a bunch of stuff to
do over again, by running older images like that.
*******
Google does not have any promotional material or
animation on display. Not at this moment. They
had something a bit darker looking yesterday.
https://i.postimg.cc/wTTT09Zk/Google-Today.gif
Some web pages, if you use an older browser version,
the web site (on purpose) sends "vanilla" pages with
material missing. Google doesn't do that on their own
page, but I'm sure they encourage anyone they can find
to be doing that.
For Firefox, when it starts for the first time
after an update, there might be a picture of the
"Grinder Woman" as promotional material.
*******
Here are examples of setting a blank page for the homepage.
https://i.postimg.cc/pr9ZfwfY/Setting-Home-Page.gif
Paul
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 14:01:43 2021
I went to the 780 and both your links worked and also Postimage
However I don't have the home listed in preferences and there's no
way I'm going into config at this point for about blank page. I remember
it being easy to do not all this. I thought it was something like naming
a page about:blank and dragging and dropping on a toolbar?
At any rate I can live with it for the present since were going to restore it soon after we make a backup.
Thoughts,Suggestions,
Robert
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 13:40:10 2021
Agreed,.. I thought I was choosing 9-2-21 but it sure
looks allot older than that just by my Dell Imaging files.
It's missing something like 20 folders! That can't be just
2 months ago.
I think at this point we should make a backup now
(just in case, because while older this mrimg works,
otherwise I'll loose it correct?) and I don;t have that many
mrimgs left to choose from. Then restore the 8500 to mrimg
11-2-21 that I made after we resolved the speaker icon
problem.
However I need your assistance in using Macrium
Version 8 because its all different and has allot of drop
down boxes but I don't know what to choose? As I said I
was just winging it this last time and trying to follow your
original instructions you gave me but it's all changed and
different now. Plus I'll need instructions so I can do my
monthly backup and would be a good idea to create on after
I restore it to 11-2-21 so we have another mrimg.
Neither of your links worked and I couldn't open Postimage
either because it gave me the same error screen.
It had a yellow band at the top of the screen and below it had a
lock with a red diagonal slash and says:
Your Connection is not secure, and says The owner of i.posting.cc
has configured their website improperly. To protect your information
from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify
Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not posible
to add an exception for this certificate.
Learn More,.....
and below that it has a blue bar with Go Back on it.
Please take a look at Macrium Version 8 for backups and restore and
give me some guidance on how to proceed with the drop down menu's
etc. so I can back this version up before we restore it with a new mrimg.
So many things are not working. I can't use Postimage and I can't log into
my bank account because I'm using an older version and it wants me to
pick from several to download.
This is not good, I need your help to get back to where I was.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 16:13:49 2021
Good news,.. I updated Firefox so I was able to login to my bank account
and Postimage works now.
We still need to return to 11-2-21 however. There's too much missing.
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 15:25:45 2021
I'm on the 780; here's some images of the drop down boxes I was
speaking of for backups and restore but I don't see anything for cloning?
Also what happens after you select whichever option? I don't know how
to proceed to do backups or to restore. Please advise on what to choose
so I can proceed to do a backup(so I won't loose the present mrimg) and
then to do a restore and then will make another backup immediately
afterwards so we have more mrimgs but I need your guidance to get started
and walk me through this.
https://postimg.cc/4mpTwQkJ
https://postimg.cc/62FDfyM2
https://postimg.cc/qN0HF642
Thanks,
Robert
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Paul@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Sun Nov 14 00:13:22 2021
On 11/13/2021 7:48 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I wish you would take a look at Version 8 and > give me new instructions on how to do backups... on Macrium
Here is a backup for Macrium 8.
It isn't much different than the other film strip.
Picking the name for the backup has additional options
now, which you don't have to use if you don't want to.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/4xjBHK62/Macrium8-Backup.gif
Use the "Download Original" button on the page, to
get the original picture back. The site has a 10Kx10K
limit, and I had to chop out a frame to fit the limit,
which didn't hurt anything.
Paul
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Paul@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Sun Nov 14 00:21:29 2021
On 11/13/2021 4:40 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Agreed,.. I thought I was choosing 9-2-21 but it sure
looks allot older than that just by my Dell Imaging files.
It's missing something like 20 folders! That can't be just
2 months ago.
I think at this point we should make a backup now
(just in case, because while older this mrimg works,
otherwise I'll loose it correct?) and I don;t have that many
mrimgs left to choose from. Then restore the 8500 to mrimg
11-2-21 that I made after we resolved the speaker icon
problem.
However I need your assistance in using Macrium
Version 8 because its all different and has allot of drop
down boxes but I don't know what to choose? As I said I
was just winging it this last time and trying to follow your
original instructions you gave me but it's all changed and
different now. Plus I'll need instructions so I can do my
monthly backup and would be a good idea to create on after
I restore it to 11-2-21 so we have another mrimg.
Neither of your links worked and I couldn't open Postimage
either because it gave me the same error screen.
It had a yellow band at the top of the screen and below it had a
lock with a red diagonal slash and says:
Your Connection is not secure, and says The owner of i.posting.cc
has configured their website improperly. To protect your information
from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.
This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify
Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not posible
to add an exception for this certificate.
Learn More,.....
and below that it has a blue bar with Go Back on it.
Please take a look at Macrium Version 8 for backups and restore and
give me some guidance on how to proceed with the drop down menu's
etc. so I can back this version up before we restore it with a new mrimg.
So many things are not working. I can't use Postimage and I can't log into
my bank account because I'm using an older version and it wants me to
pick from several to download.
This is not good, I need your help to get back to where I was.
Thanks,
Robert
The browser issue is related to certificates, and a few weeks back
it was a certificate related to Let's Encrypt that was the problem.
A few browsers, the certificate store is in the browser. Updating
the browser version (like Firefox 93), might solve the problem.
Other browsers use the OS certificate store. The OS (Windows 7)
should check in a couple times a day with Microsoft, to acquire
certificates. The other part of the equation is the schannel
for encryption, and if new algorithms are missing, then you're
out of luck. But as long as TLS 1.2 still works, some of the
older encryption methods for https will still work. So I
don't expect that to be a problem. It would be something
like WinXP that would be in a bit worse shape. And the
browsers don't even run there any more, the candidates.
There are a few forked open source projects for WinXP
browsers, but even they are getting creaky.
But you're on Windows 7, and a bit of updating
and a bit of waiting, it should be fixed. Firefox,
updated, should be a good choice.
If you do a Macrium Restore, of course that
is like using a Time Machine, and the stuff
will be broken again :-) Just, update'em.
Paul
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Paul@21:1/5 to
Robert in CA on Sun Nov 14 00:36:52 2021
On 11/13/2021 6:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm on the 780; here's some images of the drop down boxes I was
speaking of for backups and restore but I don't see anything for cloning? Also what happens after you select whichever option? I don't know how
to proceed to do backups or to restore. Please advise on what to choose
so I can proceed to do a backup(so I won't loose the present mrimg) and
then to do a restore and then will make another backup immediately
afterwards so we have more mrimgs but I need your guidance to get started
and walk me through this.
https://postimg.cc/4mpTwQkJ
https://postimg.cc/62FDfyM2
https://postimg.cc/qN0HF642
Thanks,
Robert
Macrium 8
"Create Backups" plus click "Image this Disk" == Backup
"Create Backups" plus click "Clone this Disk" == Clone
"Existing Backups" plus "Browser for an Image file" == Restore
And the Existing Backups, is graphically a bit messy
looking on my screen.
I thought the staff were learning something about making
better looking screens, but I guess not in this case.
There are multiple ways to open a backup and decide
what to do with it. And that's part of the problem with
how they made that screen. It's just too too busy.
It is a visual distraction.
I think in File Explorer, you could just navigate to
your collection of .mrimg files and right-click one
and select "Restore" from the File Explorer right-click menu.
But again, the graphics jump around a bit, and the tool
is in a big rush.
It's really better in Macrium 8, to just using the "Existing Backups",
because there would be less stuff flashing around.
Paul
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 23:44:39 2021
At present I'm unable to login to FF. I checked for updates and it's
Version 94.0.1 but its not working. I'm restarting the computer in hopes
it will help. In passing, I've noticed more and more than there are background programs that need to close before shutting down.
I hope this works.....Ok it didn't work, FF is not working ! Jeez one minute
it is and next it isn't. See what I mean? I updated it it and now this happens.
What do I do now?
Robert
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Robert in CA@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 23:24:47 2021
Are you suggesting I stay with this? I'm missing so much, I
suppose I can copy/paste from the Mrimgs but what about
all the bookmarks? I would loose allot and I'm still having issues
here. I've lost my about blank homepage again when I updated
Firefox. Seems every time I take a step forward I have to take 2
steps back. I'm trying to load Windows updates but 3 keep failing
and there's an optional update as well. FF is not acting normally
and I checked for about Firefox and it cycling forever looking for
updates. I also got hung up again in Dell Imaging and wasn't about
to bring up Task Manager but I managed to close it. So you see
I'm still having issues.....
All this just came from no where,.... I haven't downloaded anything,..
and my computers are just hanging up for no reason and acting weird.
Robert
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sun Nov 14 04:10:44 2021
On 11/14/2021 2:44 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
At present I'm unable to login to FF. I checked for updates and it's
Version 94.0.1 but its not working. I'm restarting the computer in hopes
it will help. In passing, I've noticed more and more than there are background
programs that need to close before shutting down.
I hope this works.....Ok it didn't work, FF is not working ! Jeez one minute
it is and next it isn't. See what I mean? I updated it it and now this happens.
What do I do now?
Robert
We have one observation, that it follows your account.
One account has the behavior, the other didn't.
Perhaps you could create a test account "MisterTest"
and give that a try for a while. Find the control panels
user accounts thing and create an account. Make it an
unelevated account, and see if it behaves itself.
*******
If you've run out of MRIMGs to use, you might have
to do a re-install. Or, visit one of the malware
cleanup services, and see if any of the tools they
have you run, as scanners, can pick anything up.
You would expect things like the free Malwarebytes,
would show something if it was present.
Paul
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From
J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to
All on Sun Nov 14 17:04:02 2021
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 at 04:48:10, Robert in CA <
magineer02@yahoo.com>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
[]
the restore. I don't have many mrimgs left if this doesn't work. I wish
you would
take a look at Version 8 and give me new instructions on how to do backups, >clones and restore on Macrium. I think it would be prudent to make
another backup
but there's just too many variables now and I don't know which to choose?.
[]
Just out of curiosity: why have you moved to Macrium 8? I'm reading this
in the XP 'group (and it isn't crossposted to any others), and I found
my Macrium 5 worked for XP, 7, and early 10 (not current 10). The only
reason I am aware of to move to later ones is USB3 (Macrium 6? I've not
worried much because I don't have any USB3), and better SSD support.
(Current W10 needs at least M7.)
Do you have USB3 kit (both ends of the lead of course!) or SSD(s)? If
not, for XP imaging, I'm just curious about what later Macrium actually
gives you.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
I was never drawn to sport, to which I attribute my long life.
- Barry Humphries, RT 2016/1/9-15
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I moved to Macrium Version 8 because when I
opened Macrium there was a download for it.
Robert
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p.s. I deleted Mister Test (locked)
Robert
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I had (3) important Window updates and (2) optional
updates. They ran all night but none of them succeeded.
I created the Mister Test User Account as you suggested.
It has a blank screen without the Windows logo it came up
with a pop-up that says:
The snipping Tool is not working on your computer right now.
Restart your computer and then try again. If the Problem persists,
contact your system administrator.
I'm still trying to get it to work. I restarted it and it said
Mister Test (locked) and didn't show the other Users at all
How did that happen? See what I mean? Things just happen.
Firefox is not connecting
I still have some older Mrimgs but it seems like everything I do is
messed up and getting worst. Until we know what is causing it to
hang up I would be more comfortable with restoring it to 11-2-21
and see if it still hangs up. It certainly is better than nothing working
at all and we still don't know why? Then if the problem is still present
we can always use one of the older mrimgs but at this point
things have gotten worst not better. I can't even use the 8500 now.
I hope I don't have to start all over again. That was the whole point of creating the Mrimgs.
Thanks,
Robert
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You gave excellent instructions on backing up mrimgs
but I need one for restoring. and cloning. I didn't quite
follow you when you said:
Macrium 8
"Create Backups" plus click "Image this Disk" == Backup
"Create Backups" plus click "Clone this Disk" == Clone
"Existing Backups" plus "Browser for an Image file" == Restore
At present, I think I would like to restore it to 11-2-21 and
there no sense in saving this as a backup mrimg since
it doesn't work.
Then after the restore and working, we create a mrimg
backup for it. After all the 11-2-21 mrimg was created
after we resolved the speaker icon and before the 8500
started hanging up so it should be clean. As a matter of
fact, that's the mrimg I should of used.
Thoughts/suggestions,
Robert
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I think it's best to try restoring the 8500 to 11-2-21 to see if it works
and to get the 8500 running again. Then we can make muliple mrimgs
backups for redundancy. In addition, we have the spare bootable HD's
as our ace in the hole.
I don't know why this mrimg got messed up after I updated FF but
somehow it did. Now it doesn't even work and I can't uninstall firefox
and re-install it because the Internet doesn't work even though I'm
connected.
Thoughts,suggestions,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sun Nov 14 17:24:18 2021
On 11/14/2021 4:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I think it's best to try restoring the 8500 to 11-2-21 to see if it works
and to get the 8500 running again. Then we can make muliple mrimgs
backups for redundancy. In addition, we have the spare bootable HD's
as our ace in the hole.
I don't know why this mrimg got messed up after I updated FF but
somehow it did. Now it doesn't even work and I can't uninstall firefox
and re-install it because the Internet doesn't work even though I'm connected.
Thoughts,suggestions,
Robert
Do not forget that, if you have malware on C: , C: is booted, and then you connect the backup drive, the malware can "see" your MRIMG
files on the backup drive, and it can mess them up. You don't
have ransomware, but if ransomware was on C:, it would overwrite
the MRIMG files.
Boot from the Macrium Rescue CD and do a Verify of the MRIMG.
All of your MRIMGs, were made with pre-Macrium8, so the Rescue CD
should still work with them.
Only if you'd made a Macrium8 backup, and had not made a Rescue CD
yet, would you be in trouble when trying to do a bare-metal restore
to the C: drive.
Keep the materials associated with the 8500, away from the 780.
We don't want that full of crap too :-) Be careful.
Paul
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 11:57:10, Robert in CA <
magineer02@yahoo.com>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
I moved to Macrium Version 8 because when I
opened Macrium there was a download for it.
Robert
Ah. So you're not booting from the Macrium CD, but using the installed
Macrium on (probably) C:.
[Is this XP? You mentioned the snipping tool - I thought that was
something that came with a Windows later than XP.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen.
Scott Adams, 2015-3-9
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On 11/14/2021 3:44 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
p.s. I deleted Mister Test (locked)
Robert
I don't know what snippingtool would have to do with it,
except if a fake snippingtool.exe was part of their
exploit entry point. Sometimes the Black Hats replace
legitimate tool executables, with their own code.
Roll to your desired MRIMG, using the Macrium Boot CD.
I presume you've been doing that, but just in case,
I'll suggest that. Connect backup drive, and boot from CD,
then restore over top of C: . Being careful to keep copies of
your email database, bookmarks, or other valuable items
for copying over, later.
A clever Black Hat, upon seeing your backup drive
connected some day, could write stuff into every .mrimg
file. But to do that, would require defeating the
checksum field on the archive. It is always possible,
that the method used to checksum the MRIMG is not
powerful enough, and some methods can be hacked.
For example, MD5 as a checksum, can be hacked in
about 60 seconds of computation, so it is considered
broken if being used to enforce security. It's still a
fine method for less demanding situations (comparing
two large files to see if they're equal). SHA1 is also
suspected of being crack-able, but you might need a lot
of CPUs to do that one. SHA2 (SHA256) is still good,
because if SHA256 were to be cracked, all the Bitcoins
in the world would be worthless :-) Plenty of incentive
to crack that one.
While you could do a "Verify" on the MRIMG files, just
the action of doing a Restore does a verify. If it got
to the end and said "error in archive" or similar, then
you'd know that the checksum failed on it.
You can do a Verify on an MRIMG, from the Macrium Boot CD.
Where it offers options to restore, might be a button to
Verify, which takes about as long as doing a restore takes.
Paul
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Yes,
Robert
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I understand why now what you mean with maleware 'seeing'
the mrimgs. but are the instructions using the CD similar to the
original ones you gave me to restore? How do I save my email
database and bookmarks, etc?
I do try and keep the 780 as bare as possible and only have associated
A/V programs etc on it e.g. Avast, malwarebytes and the basic's. I did
add my Bank and Paypal links to it though while the 8500 was still up
and running because for awhile I couldn't access it.
I'll wait till you give me the go ahead or new instructions to restore.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sun Nov 14 23:47:29 2021
On 11/14/2021 8:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I understand why now what you mean with maleware 'seeing'
the mrimgs. but are the instructions using the CD similar to the
original ones you gave me to restore? How do I save my email
database and bookmarks, etc?
I do try and keep the 780 as bare as possible and only have associated
A/V programs etc on it e.g. Avast, malwarebytes and the basic's. I did
add my Bank and Paypal links to it though while the 8500 was still up
and running because for awhile I couldn't access it.
I'll wait till you give me the go ahead or new instructions to restore.
Robert
If you connected the backup drive to the machine, while the
normal OS was running, that could give a malware (such as a
randomware), an opportunity to modify or overwrite materials
on the external disk.
The thing is, the procedures you use, are partly affected
by the "level of threat" presented. I've only ever had
malware on the machine here, in any spectacular fashion,
the one time. As a consequence, I might get lazy, and not
use the safest means of doing backups.
If you find yourself constantly dealing with pests, then
that's a sign you might need to use safer methods of doing
backups. Such as booting the Macrium Rescue CD and doing
a backup from there, onto the external drive. The external
drive is then disconnected, before rebooting into the
normal OS. The problem with that, is you can't really
use the machine while the backup runs. With the less-strict
method of backing up, running the backup using the normal
C: drive as the OS, if a malware was present, it would have
an opportunity to access the external drive. But at the same
time, you could be using Firefox, MSWD, or other tools, while
the backup runs.
*******
Macrium has a limited kind of "File Explorer" onboard. I don't
think this is a Microsoft software, and it would probably drive
you crazy trying to move your email profile onto the backup
drive with it. It is one of the icons in the lower left
corner, when the Macrium CD is booted.
If you make a backup of the *current* C: drive right now,
you can access the MRIMG file later, as if it was a disk drive.
There is a dialog to access the partition(s) stored in a
single MRIMG, you can select the partition(s) from it that
you want, and even assign a custom letter to each mounted
partition. Then navigate to K:\users\rob\Downloads and copy
something from the old C: which is K now, into the new C:
which is labeled C: . The MRIMG can be operated read-only
(but it still is not protected from overwrite at the
storage level though - it can still be attacked). We don't
know (yet), whether the restored C: is clean.
But in any case, that's a way to store your polluted C:
drive in a safe place, is to store it as an MRIMG, carefully
picking a name for the backup, such as "my_infected_8500_C"
so you will always know that the image had issues.
If I had nothing in the room but the Macrium Rescue CD to use,
I would not use their little File Explorer, and instead would
back up the infected C: for later rummaging.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 00:06:14 2021
On 11/14/2021 9:00 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just realized that there is nothing to save here so we can proceed.
Just let me know if I need new instructions to restore the mrimg?
I have your old instructions,
https://postimg.cc/SXS07y4p
https://postimg.cc/NLy3xJ3L
https://postimg.cc/nCBNyscJ
https://postimg.cc/68KFt9yG
and so on,... will these get me through OK?
Thanks,
Robert
I would not expect it to be substantially different.
I hope you can afford to wait for a bit, because
I can be pretty slow making those.
I take lots of breaks these days :-) Lazy.
The one I made the other day ("Backup"), was made in a virtual machine,
so I'll have to set that up again.
Paul
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I now see why/how my system may of got infected because
I wasn't using the Rescue CD all this time. From now on I will and
to that point. Since I will be using it from now on is there a way
to make a copy of the Rescue disk? Just in case? However we
can deal with that after we do a restore.
I can afford to wait but as I said your backup instructions were
too small to read on the 780 15 inch screen. I could read them OK
on the 8500 when I had it running because it has a 32 inch screen.
I can read your older instructions on the 780 because I created
screenshots for each step.
In passing, I tried to install the Windows updates again on the 8500
but this time one at a time but they all failed. I then tired to do the optional
updates and the first one failed but the second is downloading 2
updates (595.5MB) and is at 7% but hasn't budged for hours. I'll
just let it go and see what happens. If it hasn't completed by tomorrow
I'll stop it and save what I can on the patriot drives.
Hopefully we can resolve this soon so I can use the 8500 again and
resume my work.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 03:03:12 2021
On 11/14/2021 8:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I understand why now what you mean with maleware 'seeing'
the mrimgs. but are the instructions using the CD similar to the
original ones you gave me to restore? How do I save my email
database and bookmarks, etc?
I do try and keep the 780 as bare as possible and only have associated
A/V programs etc on it e.g. Avast, malwarebytes and the basic's. I did
add my Bank and Paypal links to it though while the 8500 was still up
and running because for awhile I couldn't access it.
I'll wait till you give me the go ahead or new instructions to restore.
Robert
Here is a CD Restore film strip, fresh from the oven.
https://i.postimg.cc/rsj7NXqV/Macrium8-CDRestore.gif
Paul
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The updates failed, so whenever your ready lets do
the restore.
I'm going to save as much as I can on the Patriot
flash keys as I can in the meantime.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 03:05:59 2021
On 11/14/2021 8:14 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Yes,
Robert
The reference to "snippingtool" may have come from Macrium
while a WinPE for a rescue or boot structure was being
prepared. A WinPE would not normally have a snippingtool
in the .WIM file and they probably added one for fun. I
can see the button for snipping, in the lower left
corner of the rescue screen (booted from Macrium 8 CD).
Paul
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Ok,, this is scary as hell but I will proceed.
Let's hope all this works,..
Many thanks,...
Robert
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I have a question: in the first picture the partition in blue is
the destination correct?
So, In the second picture aren't you pointing to the source
partition?
I assume I only adjust partitions that have a blank /unused area?
Otherwise I leave it alone? btw, I didn't do this the last time I restored.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 10:37:41 2021
On 11/15/2021 3:25 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I have a question: in the first picture the partition in blue is
the destination correct?
So, In the second picture aren't you pointing to the source
partition?
I assume I only adjust partitions that have a blank /unused area?
Otherwise I leave it alone? btw, I didn't do this the last time I restored.
Thanks,
Robert
In the second frame of Macrium8-CDRestore.gif, the
upper disk diagram represents the contents of the MRIMG backup.
The bottom disk diagram is meant to hold all of your
destination disks.
In this case, the destination disk has exactly the same
partition setup as the MRIMG backup. The destination disk
also happens to have the same eight digit disk identifier.
That's because this is a backup I had done just ten minutes before.
What I was doing, is restoring the MRIMG, over top of my
C: drive on the originating disk. Thus wiping out my
malware.
Paul
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We've got another problem; I put the cd in the drive and restarted
the computer but it doesn't go to the cd. I tried pressing F12 several
times to change to boot sequence but it doesn't respond.
However if I put the cd in the computer, the computer see's it so why
doesn't it activate it during booting?
So I'm stuck again. Is there a way around this ????
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 16:34:18 2021
On 11/15/2021 3:18 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
We've got another problem; I put the cd in the drive and restarted
the computer but it doesn't go to the cd. I tried pressing F12 several
times to change to boot sequence but it doesn't respond.
However if I put the cd in the computer, the computer see's it so why
doesn't it activate it during booting?
So I'm stuck again. Is there a way around this ????
Robert
It is possible to remove the optical drive from the boot
order, if you're not careful.
As for getting in, you had some problem in the past, with
pressing the F key while pressing F12. There was
some detail about pressing a modifier key to make
a particular keyboard work. A second keyboard of
yours, worked without complaint.
You can have multiple keyboards connected to a PC if
you want. It will accept key input from them all at
the same time. If one of them has a known-working
F1-F12 row, then use that.
The Insyde BIOS on my laptop, the timing window for
pressing the F2 it uses, is only 1 second wide. It
might take me several tries, to enter the key needed
at the time needed. Your machine should not be that
stingy with the time constant.
Paul
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btw the CD Rescue was still Version 7
Robert
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When I finish I understand I have to remove the cd
before re-booting but don't I also have to hit F12 and
change the boot order back?
Robert
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Operator error,... the F lock wasn't on,.. am in the
process of restoring,..I checked to adjust the partition
but they were identical like in your example
so I didn't do anything but clicked cancel so I had to
start over but everything seems to be going OK. I
selected the 11-1-21 mrimg.
Robert
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I just got a Macrium Reflect pop-up that says
Restore failed - Error 9
The restore was at:
38% overall progress
35% current progress.
I'm going to try again and see if I can get it to work.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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After I clicked OK and box closed and on the Macrium screen in
red it says Restore failed - Error 9 - Read failed -2- The system cannot
find the file specified
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 18:28:29 2021
On 11/15/2021 6:08 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just got a Macrium Reflect pop-up that says
Restore failed - Error 9
The restore was at:
38% overall progress
35% current progress.
I'm going to try again and see if I can get it to work.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Look into doing a Verify from the CD.
Error 9 is a read error from the Backup drive.
I hope you made a backup of the "broken" setup...
and used the CD while doing so.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 18:24:22 2021
On 11/15/2021 5:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
When I finish I understand I have to remove the cd
before re-booting but don't I also have to hit F12 and
change the boot order back?
Robert
If you are making permanent modifications to boot
order, you'd put
Floppy [first]
Optical
HDD1
HDD2 [last]
For the removable media drives, they're ignored if no
media is present. HDD1 would then be the boot device.
The Dell BIOS, of course, does everything its own way,
and even in the obvious cases, it doesn't do the
obvious thing. For example, it might be sensitive
to you unplugging HDD2 in the example, and then
trying to boot. It might stop the boot and complain
HDD2 was missing.
I can't promise you anything when it comes to Dell behavior.
It breaks all the well established behaviors of retail
motherboards.
Paul
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Mission Control: The Eagle has landed!
The restore completed! I'm now going to remove
the cd and reboot and see how it looks. Let's hope
everything is OK.
Thanks,
Robert
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In that case, I shouldn't have to do anything because I
selected the cd drive for the boot order so it should still
be as I selected it. Correct
Robert
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Unfortunately , no I didn't make a backup of the
broken setup and I think I missed the verify the
cd portion already.
However, I am trying again an it's at
Overall progress 87%
Current progress 86%
Lets hope this works. If it does, then I would like to
make multiple backups for redundancy.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 15 20:54:33 2021
On 11/15/2021 7:45 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In that case, I shouldn't have to do anything because I
selected the cd drive for the boot order so it should still
be as I selected it. Correct
Robert
I would hope it's in the normal part of the order.
But I have seen behaviors, such as a USB boot stick needing
to be "seen" by the BIOS first, before it's allowed to be
in the boot order.
That's why it may take more than one attempt, sometimes, to
get a Dell BIOS to behave.
When the tray is empty, it should be a simple matter to
move down to the HDD in the list and look for the first one
listed there.
Paul
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I'm on the 8500 as I write this... at first it didn't seem
like it was going to connect but I gave it a few minutes
and then just like normal it was lighting fast. How I
missed that! I checked and everything is current. whew!!!
So now Ill take a break, so to speak and enjoy the computer
and do some work and then will start making backups mrimgs
using the cd. By the way, how do I safely disconnect the external
hd? This time I just waited till it rebooted and disconnected it.
Is that the norm?
Is there anything else I should do?
Many thanks for all your great help,
Robert
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On 11/15/2021 6:11 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
After I clicked OK and box closed and on the Macrium screen in
red it says Restore failed - Error 9 - Read failed -2- The system cannot
find the file specified
Robert
Is the file really there ?
Is the filename mangled in such a way that it
is not being "passed" to the EXE properly ?
Just as an example, if there is a space character
in a file name, the whole file path may need
double quotes around it.
"C:\Program Files\someProg\some.exe"
In that example, when you put double quotes around
that, in a shell situation, then the software can
see and access the file properly. A program would
do that (without you seeing), as a matter of good practice.
A few keyboard characters would be illegal punctuation
in a filepath. And normally, when you first make a
backup, that would be the time when the software
would tell you not to do that.
Error 9 can also happen when working with Windows 10 NTFS
file systems. Version 7 of Macrium is fixed for that,
and should not cause a fuss. As would a Version 7 Rescue CD,
it should be able to deal with Windows 10 NTFS OK.
But you're on Windows 7, and so no "challenge" is expected
there, and even Macrium 5 would work.
So don't panic -- if an error shows up early like that,
it might be something you can fix. Getting such an error
later... is not good. I've lost two or three MRIMG files
due to my bad RAM sticks, so I've had restores aborted,
at least until I realized I needed to Verify the MRIMG,
to figure out how many MRIMG files were ruined. There's no
reason at the moment, to suspect you have a RAM problem,
as it could cause crashes and you would probably notice.
It's when RAM errors are *only* in low memory, that the
symptoms are very strange.
I don't know how big the file is, but
try copying it and rename it. For example
Win7-Backup-111221-Version-734129.mrimg --- copy to ---+
|
test.mrimg <--------------+
It should not be necessary to do this. And if I was doing
that, I'd copy from one drive to another, to reduce
head clatter. You might not have enough enclosures to
do something like that.
It's too bad the program does not display the filename it
thinks it is accessing, so you could verify what it was
trying to do. That would be the best way, but seldom done
in the software. A person could use Sysinternals Procmon
to record the attempted access, for analysis. I might have
to do something like that here, if I had your Error 9.
I have debugged entire backups with Procmon. The trace file
is 60GB in size, and some of the operations can take hours
to do. I blame some of that on reckless Microsoft. That program
used to work well, a few years back.
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I don't know exactly what you mean, that's the WD external
hd with all the mrimgs on it. Are you suggesting to use
one of the spare bootable Win 7 hd's for any new mrimgs?
If so I'll have to set it up and means one less spare hd for the
8500.
Robert
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On 11/15/2021 8:10 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Mission Control: The Eagle has landed!
The restore completed! I'm now going to remove
the cd and reboot and see how it looks. Let's hope
everything is OK.
Thanks,
Robert
Since you know that MRIMG might be worth keeping,
keep the backup drive away from the running
Windows 7 OS, until more is known. In case
you have to restore with the CD a second time,
at some future date.
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I just thought, how can I set up a mrimg folder in the PE environment? I
can't, I would have to connect it metal to metal to create the folder. Then when actually creating the Mrimg that's when I would use the cd correct?
Robert
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I started running a malwarebytes scan and it found this:
https://postimg.cc/dhwJVZ6r
I ran the san again and came up clean. I'll continue running
all the scans before I create any backups. I also need to make
a new System Restore point.
I had another message when I open the action center to check
for downloads.
https://postimg.cc/LnpsJ83k
https://postimg.cc/YhzCYBd5
There was one important backup that succesfully installed - the
malicious tool removal I think. I'm a bit leery of checking for
updates to FF considering what happened last time so I don't think
I'll go there just yet.
So far everything seems OK,
We'll found out what happens when I make a mrimg 'test' backup
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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On 11/15/2021 8:31 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm on the 8500 as I write this... at first it didn't seem
like it was going to connect but I gave it a few minutes
and then just like normal it was lighting fast. How I
missed that! I checked and everything is current. whew!!!
So now Ill take a break, so to speak and enjoy the computer
and do some work and then will start making backups mrimgs
using the cd. By the way, how do I safely disconnect the external
hd? This time I just waited till it rebooted and disconnected it.
Is that the norm?
Is there anything else I should do?
Many thanks for all your great help,
Robert
Most people would use Safely Remove icon for USB devices
in the lower right corner.
But waiting for the PC to shut down, then when the computer
is quiet, remove power from the drive enclosure and pull
the USB out, that should be a very safe way as well.
I find that WinXP had excellent table manners in this regard.
It knew how to flush and put away hardware properly. On later
OSes here, after doing a safely remove, my SSD-on-adapter device
records a "dirty shutdown", which means the Safely Remove sequence
isn't working properly. It's possibly an SSD issue, rather than
NTFS being corrupted. I don't like the SSD to be seeing
stuff like that though. There is no way to know what risks
I am taking. That's why, for that SSD device, I shut down
the computer and remove it. I have lots of other toys here (HDD),
that would not be so picky.
You had a problem previously, where Safely Remove could not
complete, because the volumes refused to dismount, and that
was potentially traceable to NTFS Transactional TXP support.
And we had to do that crazy offline/online stuff as a
workaround. What that protocol does, on the file system,
is supports atomic commit on write. You write a bunch of data.
The data is only acknowledged, when a single bit is flipped.
That's the "atomic" aspect. It is either like the data does
not exist, then when the bit is flipped, the whole chunk of
data is acknowledged. Macrium seemed to be clicking the button
for that, about two times per second. I could hear something
weird here on my backups, when there should not have been
such a sound effect present. Something related to directories
was going on, and it might have been TXP.
Paul
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Just thought you'd like to see the complete screen.
https://postimg.cc/FdR8D8Xs
Robert
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On 11/15/2021 9:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't know exactly what you mean, that's the WD external
hd with all the mrimgs on it. Are you suggesting to use
one of the spare bootable Win 7 hd's for any new mrimgs?
If so I'll have to set it up and means one less spare hd for the
8500.
Robert
# Most of the time, you want the external to be disconnected,
# so malware cannot ruin the MRIMG files on the external.
Regular Win7 C: booted X----External enclosure disconnected
*******
# If you boot the Macrium CD, now is the time to have the
# external drive connected. Since the CD is booted, we hope
# that no malware managed to sneak on the CD during its creation.
CD booted-------+
|
Win7 C: resting ------ Comp -------External enclosure connected
and ready for bkp
Doing it this way, is the "next level of security". It's
a nuisance, but if you're getting one infection after
another, maybe you have to do the backups this way.
And all that this scheme does, is prevent the malware from
actively scribbling over the external drive surface. The
Win7 C: drive can still have malware on it, you can still
back up the malware, you can still restore it. But since you
disconnect the External before booting Windows 7, then anything
nasty on Win 7 C: can't damage the External.
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On 11/15/2021 10:49 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Just thought you'd like to see the complete screen.
https://postimg.cc/FdR8D8Xs
Robert
Your restore happened at USB2 rates or 35MB/sec or so.
Just dividing the amount of data, by the number of seconds.
241,790,000,000 bytes
---------------
6821 seconds
The Rescue CD, the label on the window says it was
done with WinPE 3.0. The next time you prepare a Rescue
CD, try WinPE 5.0 or WinPE 10.0, instead of WinPE 3.0.
This would include a USB3 driver, to get a bit more speed
from your external enclosure (assuming all the things
in the path are USB3 of course). The last one I made,
I used WinPE 5.0 I think.
The 780 likely doesn't have USB3 and it is more
likely to be USB2 only (black). The 8500 might have
some blue USB3 ports (in a picture, I see two black
and two blue, and the blue are the ones you want).
That could cut a bit of time off your restores,
the blue port plus a differently prepared CD.
Macrium doesn't go all that fast, relatively speaking,
so going much faster than that would not help. The Blue
connector and a disc with the right driver, is enough
hardware to throw at it. Maybe someone with a real
racer computer could test that for us.
Black connector = 35MB/sec or so (what happened in your picture was 35)
Blue connector = 500MB/sec class (Macrium can benefit a little bit)
(HW ranges 200 to 430 maybe, Macrium =~ 125)
Red connector = 1000MB/sec class
USB-C tiny = 2x1000MB/sec class
Thunderbolt/USB4 Higher (Rather obscure stuff :-) )
So there's no verify error apparent in the success dialog.
Paul
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On 11/15/2021 9:22 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I started running a malwarebytes scan and it found this:
https://postimg.cc/dhwJVZ6r
I ran the san again and came up clean. I'll continue running
all the scans before I create any backups. I also need to make
a new System Restore point.
I had another message when I open the action center to check
for downloads.
https://postimg.cc/LnpsJ83k
https://postimg.cc/YhzCYBd5
There was one important backup that succesfully installed - the
malicious tool removal I think. I'm a bit leery of checking for
updates to FF considering what happened last time so I don't think
I'll go there just yet.
So far everything seems OK,
We'll found out what happens when I make a mrimg 'test' backup
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Regarding:
https://postimg.cc/YhzCYBd5
My WER Queue folder had a bunch of stuff in it.
So I'm guessing my WER service on Windows 7 isn't able to contact
Microsoft either.
I saved about 3GB of stuff, by cleaning out that folder.
Since Windows 7 is beyond the support period, perhaps
they no longer care to receive the reports. Which is a
bad attitude, since they should collect every scrap of
intelligence available, and let the computers sort it out.
Nobody expects clicking that button, for any sort of
intelligence to come back from Microsoft.
Paul
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I just had a thought,... after were done with all of this and have our
backup mrimgs in place would it be possible to get a card for the 780
with blue USB ports like we upgraded the 8200, remember? So that the
780 would have 3.0 USB ports as well?
Would it be possible to also add the same tab slots as the 8500 has?
That use the thin flash drives in cameras.
Robert
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Agreed.
Robert
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I made a new System Restore point, and ran all the scans,
although I didn't check FF because of what happened last
time I did that.
When would I prepare a Rescue CD? Can I make one now?
Correct the 780 has only black USB ports but the 8500 has blue,
it has allot more in the back as well and on top.
Back to your thought of keeping the WD external hd
separate from the 8500 I understand what you mean now.
Separate from maleware by using the cd, correct?
Now that I know to use the cd, I propose to create (3)
mrimgs on the WD external hd. By using the cd they'll
be protected so any maleware can't 'see' them.
What do you think?
btw were you saying there suppose to be a safe disconnect
in the PE environment? When I connected the external hd
I didn't see the same pop-up that I see when it's metal to metal.
I had to look for it. It was the D: drive and didn't say anything
else just D: Maybe I have to right click the letter D: to disconnect?
Robert
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Should I turn on Real Time Protection or is this just another
way of them trying to get me to buy premium?
https://postimg.cc/4mCqTRL7
All is good so I'm about to do a mrimg backup with the cd of
course.
Robert
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I started the backup with cd, in passing I checked online
and there doesn't seem to be a way to safety disconnect
the USB cable from the PE environment so again I waited
till it logged off. However, I digress.
It got to the point where it asked for the destination but it
didn't recognize the previous drive I: because I had been
using the online version of Macrium (the one I changed to V8)
So I searched for the drive again and the mrimg folder and
selected it but then it skipped all your instructions and went
straight to downloading! The next step should of been un- ticking
full and differential backup boxes then select save and enter the
name for the backup.
https://postimg.cc/xkQZ7wRG
It came back with the message not enough space. How can that
be when we just used up a mrimg and one before that? I have two
mrimg folders on the WD external hd; one in the User Account
(nothing in it) and one in the Admin Account. It should be going to
the Admin Account but I tried both with the same message
https://postimg.cc/ykBSDnvQ
Also, I had to use the F12 again because the boot order is set and I
can't seem to change it.
So what am I doing wrong?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Tue Nov 16 17:49:18 2021
On 11/16/2021 1:10 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just had a thought,... after were done with all of this and have our
backup mrimgs in place would it be possible to get a card for the 780
with blue USB ports like we upgraded the 8200, remember? So that the
780 would have 3.0 USB ports as well?
Would it be possible to also add the same tab slots as the 8500 has?
That use the thin flash drives in cameras.
Robert
Yes, there are add-in USB3 cards for PCs. But your 780 has
some limitations, so we cannot "select the finest of the lot" :-)
The original NEC chip based one, supports back to
WinXP. That's what I used on the WinXP setup until it died.
The Asmedia chips, support Win7 or later.
Custom USB3 drivers are required for Windows 7. Later
OSes W8/W10/W11 don't need USB3 drivers. The reason this
is so, is the register interfaces on USB3 hardware follow
standards, and the Microsoft in-box driver can handle the standard
Class driver needs.
Generally for a Windows 7 user, you have to verify that the
chip on the add-in card in question has drivers, because they're
pretty stingy with drivers now. For example, Asmedia contracts
with MCCI to write their drivers for them, so there is something
for a Win7 user to use. At some point, companies like
Asmedia will stop including Win7 drivers.
*******
There are tray-mount USB devices to add SD/MMC slots to
a computer. Then, run a cable down inside the machine,
to a ten pin USB header. You have to check that a
header for this is present, before buying the device.
Some card readers fit the floppy drive hole on the machine.
Some include an adapter so it fits in a 5.25" drive bay.
As the speed of card media increases (95MB/sec on a UHS-I SD),
the interface cable on the card reader changes. And such
a card reader would have a USB3 cable on it. The 780 for
example, would not have a header to install such a thing.
When you buy the USB add-in card, sometimes those have
an internal header for connecting a "toy" to with internal
cabling. Thus, the two upgrade projects can potentially
be coupled to one another - shocking.
I think the fast SDs, can run at slower speeds. So if you
do buy a USB2 card reader (and the 780 had a header for it),
the plugged in SD can't go faster than 35MB/sec. Even if it
is a 95MB/sec SD.
Example of a card reader with options for faster cards. USB3.
Fitted with USB3 header.
https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/35fcreadbu3
https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/sets/35fcreadbu3_manual/35fcreadbu3_card_reader_manual.pdf
https://www.newegg.com/p/09Z-01R9-00008 $37 USD
I'd expected better of the manual. I will draw my own circuit then.
USB3 ----------------------- to faceplate blue USB3
20 pin
female ----- Realtek --------- SDXC UHSII
RTS5321 --------- CF
--------- MS etc
It is the size of a floppy drive, but I can find no
pictures of the floppy mounting holes.
It would also be normal, to give the pinout of
the 20 pin USB3 cable, for verification before use.
USB3 has nine pins per channel, two USB3 is 18 pins
plus an additional ground, plus a missing pin used
for keying. The blocked keying pin allows only one
rotation of the connector to fit.
You cannot stick a USB card in the 780 x16 slot. The
BIOS will reject that (although other brands allow it).
You have to use one of the x1 slots, which means you cannot
fit an x2 Asmedia card in a 780. The Asmedia card sums the
bandwidth of two lanes, for better high-end performance.
Here is a 4-Port card, with two of the ports arranged
so the card reader can plug in with the internal cabling.
VANTEC 4-Port SuperSpeed USB 3.0 PCIe Host Card w/ Internal 20-Pin UGT-PC345 $35
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
https://vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=125&p_name=
Renesas uDP720201 # A NEC USB3, unexpected (works in WinXP)
# Use the driver CD in your Win7 OS
https://vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
Verification the chip is 4 Port. Some addin cards pull tricks
and use a 2 Port chip, and it can be "flipped" to the front or
the back but not both. This is why the chippage must be checked,
to see that a legit solution is being used. The pictures
are not of sufficient quality to visually verify a lack of
shenanigans, so we use the chip spec as a check instead.
https://www.renesas.com/us/en/products/interface-connectivity/usb-switches-hubs/upd720201-usb-30-host-controller
Use anti-static precautions when handling these goods.
Some chips are better than others at ESD protection. This
is a NEC/Renesas, so we're more careful with it :-) Power off the
780, wear summer shorts, sit the PC in your lap while
installing the items.
NEC changed their name, roughly around the time the USB3 chip
was released. Their new name is Renesas, and they're Japanese.
NEC has quite a history of silicon design, although not a lot
of people had heard of them. Their chip catalog was pretty big
and varied (ATM switching chips).
Paul
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Robert in CA on Tue Nov 16 18:15:31 2021
On 11/16/2021 1:28 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I started the backup with cd, in passing I checked online
and there doesn't seem to be a way to safety disconnect
the USB cable from the PE environment so again I waited
till it logged off. However, I digress.
It got to the point where it asked for the destination but it
didn't recognize the previous drive I: because I had been
using the online version of Macrium (the one I changed to V8)
So I searched for the drive again and the mrimg folder and
selected it but then it skipped all your instructions and went
straight to downloading! The next step should of been un- ticking
full and differential backup boxes then select save and enter the
name for the backup.
https://postimg.cc/xkQZ7wRG
It came back with the message not enough space. How can that
be when we just used up a mrimg and one before that? I have two
mrimg folders on the WD external hd; one in the User Account
(nothing in it) and one in the Admin Account. It should be going to
the Admin Account but I tried both with the same message
https://postimg.cc/ykBSDnvQ
Also, I had to use the F12 again because the boot order is set and I
can't seem to change it.
So what am I doing wrong?
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I can't tell from here.
It probably isn't a permissions problem. Sometimes, it will
complain if you write into the root (top level) of a partition.
All you can do, is verify the I: letter you selected, actually
has the space left that you think it has.
You can do that, while booted with the Macrium CD. You use the
File Explorer icon from the task bar in the Macrium Rescue session.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/zfGn0GHR/Macrium-CD-Space-Left-Check.gif
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Wow, I never expected so much information!
The external card readers sound interesting but I wouldn't really
be gaining anything and I really don't want to clutter up the 780.
The 4 ports look wild, I've never seen anything like them before.
On second thought, it's probably best not to mess around with
the 780.
Well, it was just a thought. Actually when the 8500 is operating
normally the wait time isn't so bad. It's when it's acting up it takes
forever to load anything.
I may find the space and all but it doesn't explain why it skipped
over all the instructions. Should I try it again?
Robert
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I deleted the last 2016 mrimg and then went in to the User Account
and deleted as many of the folders files as I could one by one.
I then started the update; its running now,...
Robert
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On 11/16/2021 9:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Wow, I never expected so much information!
The external card readers sound interesting but I wouldn't really
be gaining anything and I really don't want to clutter up the 780.
The 4 ports look wild, I've never seen anything like them before.
On second thought, it's probably best not to mess around with
the 780.
Well, it was just a thought. Actually when the 8500 is operating
normally the wait time isn't so bad. It's when it's acting up it takes forever to load anything.
I may find the space and all but it doesn't explain why it skipped
over all the instructions. Should I try it again?
Robert
Making the backup ?
I think just for the purpose of writing up
your own backup notes, it would be worthwhile
solving it.
At the same time, you can work on improving the
transfer performance. As the 8500 has USB3 and
with the right Rescue CD you should be able to
make it go faster. Quite a few of the disk
enclosures will manage 200MB/sec before they
run out of steam. And that's plenty for poor ole
Macrium. It does 125MB/sec if the wind is blowing
in the right direction.
*******
The only time I don't like add-in cards, is
when all the slots are full, and I have to
swap one card for another type, for an experiment.
That gets tired pretty quickly.
You may be able to find a cheaper add-in card for
USB3. That was just the first one I could find with
the right port setup for you.
And since the card reader used a RealTek chip, that
product offering could stand to be a bit cheaper too.
A thing like that should be $15, if these were
normal times. There are USB2 and USB3 card reader
products. You only want a USB3 one, if your cards
and cameras are the faster kind, and you have acquired
a gigantic collections of pictures. My 32GB card only
dumps at 10MB/sec and a USB2 reader (what I've got)
is fine for that. As it'll do up to 35MB/sec, if the
cards were good enough.
The next version of SD will be the interesting one.
The interface will be based on PCI Express, so the little
cards will "smoke"... if they put good flash in them.
It remains to be seen if anyone will make a really
good SD that way.
Paul
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Success!
https://postimg.cc/p9WcRWK7
Its after 2AM ,..... will respond tomorrow
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Nov 17 09:21:06 2021
On 11/17/2021 5:11 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Success!
https://postimg.cc/p9WcRWK7
Its after 2AM ,..... will respond tomorrow
Robert
Well, the "Explorer" icon on the lower-left in
Macrium Rescue CD screen, is your friend, and
will help with the space management. At least
to the extent a single number can help you
(like, figure out whether you'd done cleanup
recently or not).
Paul
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I almost messed everything up today..
I went back in the PE environment because I wanted to take
a look at the properties of the external hd and see how much
free space I had left.
https://postimg.cc/xNSxLJ12
https://postimg.cc/0zNtGqPb
https://postimg.cc/G4SXqSmz
Unfortunately, when I removed the cd and logged off and removed
the usb cables I didn't remember to shut the external hd off when I disconnected it's power cable!
So I reloaded the cd to check and see if there was a problem and I
got an error screen message saying it couldn't proceed because it had
been interrupted with the USB cable being pulled while it was still
active. I had a screenshot of this but for some reason none of the pictures were on the camera memory card when I uploaded them?
Anyways, I noticed I had used the 2016 rescue disk so I decided to try
my 2018 (which is the one we have been using) and thankfully it loaded
and then I disconnected everything and this time made sure I turned the
power off! Whew that was close! I actually went back in twice because there were no pictures. So I know it works.
Anyways, it appears I will have to delete several mrimgs for any new
mrimgs and I think a larger external hd is indicated so I can do monthly backups. Will a larger hd fit the Startech case? What do you think of this one?
https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783
Would we be able to fit inside the 8500 after cloning it to make it bootable but actually we don't need or want it to be bootable do we? Its sole purpose would be an external hd.
In addition, I keep getting these malwarebytes real time protection pop-up's all the time. Is that their way of wanting me to subscribe to premium and is there a way to turn it off?
https://postimg.cc/hXSGpp5J
Thanks,
Robert
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I just noticed something else, when on eBay and
I click an item to view and I click to enlarge it
there's a circle as if still loading the picture.
I restarted the computer but its still there.
I checked the 780 and it does it on it also.
Everything else seems fine though. Is this an eBay
issue?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 15:05:06 2021
On 11/18/2021 5:24 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just noticed something else, when on eBay and
I click an item to view and I click to enlarge it
there's a circle as if still loading the picture.
I restarted the computer but its still there.
I checked the 780 and it does it on it also.
Everything else seems fine though. Is this an eBay
issue?
Robert
It could be.
If you have an example to share, post it and
someone can test it.
There is a *lot* of weird behavior on web pages
these days. Like yesterday, my Seamonkey browser,
I was having trouble getting the interface to respond,
and the CPU was not railed. But, it was using
a lot of RAM, and had hit a RAM limit. Removing
known-bad (tenforums.com) tabs from the browser,
fixed that. The advertising on that site is
quite aggressive.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 15:01:54 2021
On 11/17/2021 5:10 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I almost messed everything up today..
I went back in the PE environment because I wanted to take
a look at the properties of the external hd and see how much
free space I had left.
https://postimg.cc/xNSxLJ12
https://postimg.cc/0zNtGqPb
https://postimg.cc/G4SXqSmz
Unfortunately, when I removed the cd and logged off and removed
the usb cables I didn't remember to shut the external hd off when I disconnected it's power cable!
So I reloaded the cd to check and see if there was a problem and I
got an error screen message saying it couldn't proceed because it had
been interrupted with the USB cable being pulled while it was still
active. I had a screenshot of this but for some reason none of the pictures were on the camera memory card when I uploaded them?
Anyways, I noticed I had used the 2016 rescue disk so I decided to try
my 2018 (which is the one we have been using) and thankfully it loaded
and then I disconnected everything and this time made sure I turned the
power off! Whew that was close! I actually went back in twice because there were no pictures. So I know it works.
Anyways, it appears I will have to delete several mrimgs for any new
mrimgs and I think a larger external hd is indicated so I can do monthly backups. Will a larger hd fit the Startech case? What do you think of this one?
https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783
Would we be able to fit inside the 8500 after cloning it to make it bootable but actually we don't need or want it to be bootable do we? Its sole purpose would be an external hd.
In addition, I keep getting these malwarebytes real time protection pop-up's all the time. Is that their way of wanting me to subscribe to premium and is there a way to turn it off?
https://postimg.cc/hXSGpp5J
Thanks,
Robert
The Malwarebytes dialog label says "Trial", so it thinks it is running
in Trial mode at the moment. Would this be a function of
having been restored from a backup ?
As for the Startech case, you will have to check the advert
for the case and its model number, to see what the "max capacity" is.
They typically verify max size by testing the device. Rather
than the firmware having some limit that is well known. There
have been some pretty weird limits on enclosures at times,
leading me to question the sanity of the firmware developers :-)
So the idea is, you make an enclosure for disks, you test with
a 2TB drive. It works. The advert then says "works with 2TB drives".
OK, a year passes. Seagate makes a 4TB drive. In the lab, you plug
it in. It works! You update the advert for the product to
read "works with 4TB drives".
Does anyone go back, and test all the old products with a new
18TB drive ? Apparently not.
You have to check:
Advert
Customer reviews "I stuck a 10TB drive and it worked!"
You would need the Newegg reviews for the Startech case for that.
As for the drives, the one inch high drives are a popular
height standard.
The buying experience could be like this...
buy new 6TB drive
doesn't work in case
buy new external enclosure that does take 6TB drives
I haven't had a problem with my 6TB drives here. And that's
the largest I stock. 8TB and higher might be Helium, which
runs a bit cooler.
*******
Have you looked at the contents of what you're archiving ?
I can usually shave 200GB off mine, with some number of
hours of cleaning effort. Every little bit helps. For
some of my big files, the naming convention is like this.
mybigfile__eraseme.ext
If a file has the word "eraseme", and it is Backup Day,
then I run through the drive and erase those. These are
temporary files, only valuable for three days or so. That
is one way that I manage my "cleanup". This relies on me
knowing in advance, that the files are only temporary.
*******
I manage my space a bit, with 7ZIP compression. But I'm not
recommending that for you, as there is a lot of manual
handling that is just not worth it. It takes hours
moving stuff around, compressing and expanding stuff,
and it's more trouble than it is worth. But if you asked
"how could I store more MRIMG on my 2TB drive", that is
how you would do it. To compress every MRIMG on one of
my backup drives here, costs around $1 worth of electricity.
Just in case you were wondering whether everything
done on a computer "was free" :-) Compression costs money.
Compression is one of the few things, where the cost finally
adds up to a dollar.
The new computer is better on electricity. The compression
there costs $0.50 :-) Almost free.
Paul
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As far as malwarebtyes pop-up I don't know if
this is caused by the restore? I don't recall what
we did if anything last time to stop it from
popping up. Maybe we re-installed malwarebytes?
I can't remember. Maybe it will stop after the trial
ends and I re-start it again?
From what you say, I think in addition to a 5TB HD
we should also buy a new case for it just to make
sure. Could you please recommend some for the 5TB
Seagate?
I have a basic idea of what I'm archiving and I went
in the external and shaved off all I could. Also, I have
been going through the 8500 and deleting folders/files
that I don't need or use anymore.
btw with this last mrimg I decided to start numbering
them as well so it will make them easier to track and
us to refer to.
Sorry, I forgot to provide you with an example of the
circle on eBay. Here you go:
https://postimg.cc/WdBFXcFM
Isn't that strange? It was there yesterday also. I agree there
is allot of strange behavior. On news stories lately I see little
lions, bears in the corner.
Robert
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I meant 6TB hd of course.
Robert
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I just got a pop-up for an update to Macrium
V7.3 .6391 not V8 ! So I downloaded it even
though were using the cd.
https://postimg.cc/p9nVTsZk
btw can we create a new rescue media cd so it's
more current? How do I do it?
Robert
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I need to keep allot of data e.g., jpeg files for my research and
study of smoking pipes which has taken 40+ years to accumulate.
So I have allot of folders and files on the subject and I need them
and to refer back to them all the time. That's mainly why the mrimg
is so big. I can't delete any of those!
Robert
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That version was version 8! not 7.3
Well, it doesn't really matter since we use the cd
and it's version 7 but why would they label it 7.3
when it was v8?
Robert
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I checked the 780 and it has v8 but also an update for it.
I decided not to download it since were doing everything
off of cd now.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 21:20:15 2021
On 11/18/2021 7:32 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the 780 and it has v8 but also an update for it.
I decided not to download it since were doing everything
off of cd now.
Robert
You restored over top of the previous C: .
In the previous C: , you installed Macrium 8.
Then, you booted the Macrium 7 CD to restore
a Macrium 7 MRIMG, containing an older C by a
few days.
In that older C, the Version 8 is no longer installed
and the version is now an older version again. Thus,
if an older version wants to update itself, it could
propose an older version or a newer version.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 23:07:05 2021
On 11/18/2021 4:19 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
As far as malwarebtyes pop-up I don't know if
this is caused by the restore? I don't recall what
we did if anything last time to stop it from
popping up. Maybe we re-installed malwarebytes?
I can't remember. Maybe it will stop after the trial
ends and I re-start it again?
From what you say, I think in addition to a 5TB HD
we should also buy a new case for it just to make
sure. Could you please recommend some for the 5TB
Seagate?
I have a basic idea of what I'm archiving and I went
in the external and shaved off all I could. Also, I have
been going through the 8500 and deleting folders/files
that I don't need or use anymore.
btw with this last mrimg I decided to start numbering
them as well so it will make them easier to track and
us to refer to.
Sorry, I forgot to provide you with an example of the
circle on eBay. Here you go:
https://postimg.cc/WdBFXcFM
Isn't that strange? It was there yesterday also. I agree there
is allot of strange behavior. On news stories lately I see little
lions, bears in the corner.
Robert
OK, I visit the Ebay.ca page, and the colored squares with Smartphone
or Laptop or Video games icons, that is known as a "Banner Carousel".
There is a button to stop the Carousel moving, in the lower right corner
of the Carousel.
If you move your mouse to the top of the Firefox window and pretend to
move the window around, and the Carousel is in "play mode", the Carousel
moves rapidly horizontally.
If you manage to put the Carousel in "stop mode", the Carousel should not
move, even if you grab the window at the top via the title bar.
The Carousel is implemented as a WAI-ARIA player. It is intended as a
form of support for blind people with screen readers. When that Carousel
is thrashing about, a blind person with a screen reader is supposed to
receive a fairly intelligent voice-over description of what the hell
is going on :-)
Now, from your point of view, the question would be, how could you disable WAI-ARIA (Web Accessibility Initiative - Accessible Rich Internet Applications) support on the browser, making a tiny difference to CPU load.
The white circle is a "throbber", for when the WAI-ARIA player is "busy".
Now, I caught a very brief glimpse, maybe a frame or two on my screen,
of the throbber and then it disappeared and hasn't been back.
If you open a separate Firefox window and do
about:performance
and click the More button under one of the busy pages, you can get
some idea how much of the machine is tied up with unnecessary stuff.
For example, if I open a tenforums.com tutorial web page, I have to
close it, because it sucks the life out of the computer. And presumably,
in "about:performance", I would be alerted there, as to the high usage.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Accessibility/WAI-ARIA_basics
They don't say anything about the Throbber circle though. So it must be something else. It turns out there are an infinite number of those
throbber designs, and any yokel could borrow one and use it on a web page.
I can't be sure the carousel is doing it. In any case, click the button
on the lower right of the carousel area, and see if it stops moving.
*******
This Rosewill is out of stock (has a fan)
https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/rosewill-rx-358-u3c-blk/p/N82E16817182247
The Nexstar is an option. Tested with 16TB drive.
https://vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/NST-387S3-BK-QIG.pdf
https://vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=260#tab-3
"VANTEC NexStar HX NST-387S3-BK Aluminum / ABS Plastic 3.5" Enclosure USB 3.0 With Fan" $43
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
Paul
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 21:05:02 2021
On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:02:09 PM UTC-8, Robert in CA wrote:
I just realized that the next time I do mrimg backups I'll be using
the cd on the 780 and it will change Macrium back to version 7
as you described but sooner or later it will have another update
pop-up again, do I just ignore it? or do we just keep resetting V8
or V9 back to V7 every time we restore. or should we create a v8
I meant 'every time we do a backup' of course.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 23:50:56 2021
On 11/18/2021 10:11 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Understood, but what about the 780? It has V8 and the
pending update? We haven't done anything in the PE
environment there. So should I download the V8 update
or what?
It seems like it's best not to update Macrium though but
isn't it a mute point with the cd? Is there a way to turn off
updates or what's the best course of action? I'm confused
with using the the cd's and updating the online Macrium.
The backups made with the CD, can be restored with the CD.
If the OS backup is older, like V7, then the V8 CD can
restore it. If the OS backup was ahead (in some future year)
and was V9, then the V8 CD might not restore it. But
I don't know what the official policy is of Macrium, as
their feature set hasn't changed too much for a few
releases. Full, incremental, differential, incremental_forever.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 18 23:16:13 2021
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I just realized that the next time I do mrimg backups I'll be using
the cd on the 780 and it will change Macrium back to version 7
as you described but sooner or later it will have another update
pop-up again, do I just ignore it? or do we just keep resetting V8
or V9 back to V7 every time we restore. or should we create a v8
cd? I just don't want to keep dealing with online updates if were
using the cd. It doesn't seem to make any point to me
yet we have to have Macrium online correct?
Hmmm, my eBay link doesn't have anything like a carousel. I went
to eBay.ca and I still couldn't see what your describing?
https://postimg.cc/3WKHLzxM
Would it help if I gave you my normal link to ebay? Actually I have
allot of them.
I did the about:performance
https://postimg.cc/YvN3yDSV
The Vantec Necstar it is but it sounds tricky mounting it on the rails
once the drive is installed. I need a very quite fan but of course this
is only for creating mrimgs. so it won't be on all the time. I couldn't
handle that. That's why I use Seagate hd's and they've proven to be
very reliable..
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Nov 19 01:21:45 2021
On 11/19/2021 12:02 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just realized that the next time I do mrimg backups I'll be using
the cd on the 780 and it will change Macrium back to version 7
as you described but sooner or later it will have another update
pop-up again, do I just ignore it? or do we just keep resetting V8
or V9 back to V7 every time we restore. or should we create a v8
cd? I just don't want to keep dealing with online updates if were
using the cd. It doesn't seem to make any point to me
yet we have to have Macrium online correct?
Hmmm, my eBay link doesn't have anything like a carousel. I went
to eBay.ca and I still couldn't see what your describing?
https://postimg.cc/3WKHLzxM
Would it help if I gave you my normal link to ebay? Actually I have
allot of them.
I did the about:performance
https://postimg.cc/YvN3yDSV
The Vantec Necstar it is but it sounds tricky mounting it on the rails
once the drive is installed. I need a very quite fan but of course this
is only for creating mrimgs. so it won't be on all the time. I couldn't handle that. That's why I use Seagate hd's and they've proven to be
very reliable..
Robert
The reddish-pink section of your picture, is the carousel.
The parallel bars on the right, are the "Pause" button, to tell
the carousel to stop horizontal scrolling. The thing becomes
agitated and moves more rapidly, if you attempt to access the title bar
area at the top of the browser. Using the "Pause" button, should
stop the carousel from moving, no matter where the mouse goes.
Pressing the "Pause" button a second time, allows the carousel to
continue with its antics again.
*******
You don't have to worry too much, about the version of
Macrium restored to the drive. If V7 is restored, it might
pester you to upgrade, and it's an arbitrary decision if you
do it. If the OS version is V8, then any backup it happened to
make, would work.
Any time you change versions, there is always a possibility of
some version-related issues later. You have to decide how you
want to run your operation, like standardize on a version
for best results.
I haven't been too successful with that here, as I have maybe
five CDs and I label all the backups with the version number
they were made with. This ensures I boot the correct CD on
the first try, when doing restores. I was doing the odd restore,
back when the RAM went bad on my computer. Well, now the
motherboard is dead on that thing, so the RAM no longer
is a concern :-)
Paul
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I went back to ebay.ca and clicked the lower right parallel
bars and it changed it to an arrow but it didn't stop the circle.
I went back to ebay.ca and the parallel bars had returned.
This is one of my usual ebay pages and is allot different:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Estate-/4119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=sasieni&_sop=10
You can click any item and click to enlarge and see if you get the
circle on your side. Then its an eBay issue for sure even though I tested
it also on the 780 and its doing it there as well. So that makes me think
eBay itself is doing this and we can't stop it.
I thought about this and as you say each time we do a cd mrimg
it resets the online macrium back to v7 so I think it's best not to do
any Macrium updates after the mrimgs and just ignore the updates.
That way everything will be version 7, correct?
Here what I propose,.. buy the Seagate 6TB hd and the Vantec case
near the end of this month and once set up create a mrimg and also one
for the 780 which will be its first using cd and thus set it back to V7.
The new mrimgs will also establish a file path so I don't have to keep
typing it in every time. Once we have both computers back to V7 leave
them there with no macrium updates.
Since there's nothing on the 780 except the basics the mrimgs should
be pretty small and the Seagate 2TB hd should suffice. I'll check out it's properties when we do the mrimgs and see where we are.
What do you think?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Nov 19 23:30:51 2021
On 11/19/2021 3:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back to ebay.ca and clicked the lower right parallel
bars and it changed it to an arrow but it didn't stop the circle.
I went back to ebay.ca and the parallel bars had returned.
This is one of my usual ebay pages and is allot different:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Estate-/4119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=sasieni&_sop=10
You can click any item and click to enlarge and see if you get the
circle on your side. Then its an eBay issue for sure even though I tested
it also on the 780 and its doing it there as well. So that makes me think eBay itself is doing this and we can't stop it.
I thought about this and as you say each time we do a cd mrimg
it resets the online macrium back to v7 so I think it's best not to do
any Macrium updates after the mrimgs and just ignore the updates.
That way everything will be version 7, correct?
Here what I propose,.. buy the Seagate 6TB hd and the Vantec case
near the end of this month and once set up create a mrimg and also one
for the 780 which will be its first using cd and thus set it back to V7.
The new mrimgs will also establish a file path so I don't have to keep
typing it in every time. Once we have both computers back to V7 leave
them there with no macrium updates.
Since there's nothing on the 780 except the basics the mrimgs should
be pretty small and the Seagate 2TB hd should suffice. I'll check out it's properties when we do the mrimgs and see where we are.
What do you think?
Robert
That Ebay page seems to open on two different browsers here OK,
and I didn't see any circle appear. No big circle.
*******
Your plan for backups should work.
The backups on the 780 will be small, but the USB2
bandwidth will be small too, so it might
take a while.
I have machines here with bad USB on them.
The Mac G4 had USB 1.1 that writes at 1 megabyte per second.
Try doing a backup with that.
Paul
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Wow 1.1 !! I image it does take awhile!
The 780 shouldn't be all that bad because as I say
it just has the bare basics. There's no data on it at all.
I ran the Avast Smart scan and everything was
OK till the end and it gave me this:
https://postimg.cc/mtT14z43
Is this another way of their trying to get me to buy premium?
I'm always leery of these kind of fix-all's. They end up causing
more damage than good. Also, I'm not sure I want Avast to be
messy around with my registry or programs etc. So I elected to
skip it and then got this:
https://postimg.cc/WDqh80mV
In this day and age just about everyone is exposed online one
way or another.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Wow 1.1 !! I image it does take awhile!
The 780 shouldn't be all that bad because as I say
it just has the bare basics. There's no data on it at all.
I ran the Avast Smart scan and everything was
OK till the end and it gave me this:
https://postimg.cc/9wPhQQGs
Is this another way of their trying to get me to buy premium?
I'm always leery of these kind of fix-all's. They end up causing
more damage than good. Also, I'm not sure I want Avast to be
messy around with my registry or programs etc. So I elected to
skip it and then got this:
https://postimg.cc/HrrTQdH8
In this day and age just about everyone is exposed online one
way or another.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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*L* that was pretty good and accurate. Our entire
gov't is corrupt and greedy, for decades.
I had Norton before and it invaded everything and
was harder than hell to remove. I think you helped
me to remove it. Now they are merging!
What are your thoughts about it all aside from them
being just greedy, what other free A/V is there that
you would recommend.? I've tried allot over the years'
but Avast has been the best so far which is why I keep
it along with malwarebytes and SuperAntipsyware,
Windows Defender and Windows Firewall.
I use to have Spybot, AVG, MacAfee,....
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
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Now the circles are gone from ebay. Strange they appeared
and now they're gone.
Robert
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On 11/20/2021 10:32 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Now the circles are gone from ebay. Strange they appeared
and now they're gone.
Robert
Since the code for the Ebay web page would change from day
to day, maybe someone noticed the mistake they made.
*******
As for Avast, I don't know how the two companies will
interact. Sometimes when corporations merge, they build
a "firewall" between operations. For example, when my
company acquired a pretty large company, at first, they
were going to connect their LAN to ours. Then, they decided
against that, and we never learned a blasted thing about
the new portion. It was like it wasn't even there.
Maybe with a bit of luck, just the press releases will come
from Norton, and the code will remain an Avast responsibility.
Paul
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Maybe with a bit of luck, just the press releases will come
from Norton, and the code will remain an Avast responsibility.
Paul
Let's hope so!
Robert
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I just wanted to show you another curious feature that
started up a few weeks ago.
For news, I search around and look at all the News not
just one source but only on Fox News does it have this
weird animated running lion on the lower right that
appeared recently.
https://postimg.cc/qNbZcP7G
Robert
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On 11/21/2021 1:44 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just wanted to show you another curious feature that
started up a few weeks ago.
For news, I search around and look at all the News not
just one source but only on Fox News does it have this
weird animated running lion on the lower right that
appeared recently.
https://postimg.cc/qNbZcP7G
Robert
No idea. Not showing in a search.
Paul
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I decided to check out the 780 external hd properties
to see how much space was available.
https://postimg.cc/DmBLFwz2
As I thought, there's allot of free space and the 2TB external
is sufficient.
I think it would be a good idea when we make the mrimgs
to also create a new v7 cd's for both the 8500 and the 780.
Robert
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I decided to take a look at the properties of the
external drive of the 780. It's almost all used up!
https://postimg.cc/DmBLFwz2
I looked for the mrimgs but this is all I could find
and its in the user account!
https://postimg.cc/1gT8j8Rt
I thought I put everything in the Admin account and
I know I've made more mrimgs since 2019 but it's not
showing them and something is eating up all the memory.
At any rate all previous mrimgs are tainted because they
are metal to metal.
It appears I'll have to get two 6TB hd and cases
for both the 8500 and 780 and start fresh after cloning
and create a folder on the Admin account for mrimgs
made with the cd.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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On 11/21/2021 6:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I decided to take a look at the properties of the
external drive of the 780. It's almost all used up!
https://postimg.cc/DmBLFwz2
I looked for the mrimgs but this is all I could find
and its in the user account!
https://postimg.cc/1gT8j8Rt
I thought I put everything in the Admin account and
I know I've made more mrimgs since 2019 but it's not
showing them and something is eating up all the memory.
At any rate all previous mrimgs are tainted because they
are metal to metal.
It appears I'll have to get two 6TB hd and cases
for both the 8500 and 780 and start fresh after cloning
and create a folder on the Admin account for mrimgs
made with the cd.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
Don't panic.
Say the external drive is letter E:
1) Open File Explorer, click on E: so you are at
the top level.
2) In the search box (upper right), type
ext:mrimg <cr>
After you hit return (<cr>), all the files that have
.mrimg as a file extension, should show in the list.
Response may be slow. Even if the SearchIndexer is
properly programmed, the response is frequently a pig.
And occasionally, it is fast.
There are better file search tools, like Agent Ransack
from MythicSoft or Everything.exe from voidtools, but
some setup is required.
*******
Another way to view disk contents, is Sequoiaview.
The original site is gone.
This is the signature from my copy.
Name: Sequoia1_3XPInstall.exe
Size: 567003 bytes (553 KiB)
SHA1: C1DB10A0F7D36ADBC14B5A7A3F08FC35DB1BEE8B
And this is the signature of this one. A match.
https://matt.ucc.asn.au/mirror/Sequoia1_3XPInstall.exe
Name: Sequoia1_3XPInstall.exe
Size: 567003 bytes (553 KiB)
SHA1: C1DB10A0F7D36ADBC14B5A7A3F08FC35DB1BEE8B
That's a tool which shows you where all the "rotund"
files are on a disk partition. I was using that
just yesterday, while shrinking a C: drive from
70GB to 26GB. The tool spotted the hiberfile and
pagefile which needed work. When I backed up that
C: and compressed it, the final size was 10.0 GB.
That's the best I could do.
WIN10_AMD_250GB_724523-00-00.mrimg.7z 10.0GB
The "AMD" is the machine identifier.
To restore that, I have to decompress the file first.
While the technique saves space, more work is involved.
I just tested it, and it took 41 seconds to decompress.
If a slow drive was involved, it would go a lot slower.
When I work on really big files (my 1.3TB backups),
those take all day to decompress. I can't use any of my
little tricks on those.
WIN10_AMD_250GB_724523-00-00.mrimg 26.0GB
Occasionally, a drive letter needs the
System Volume Information cleaned. This is
in the "System Protection" part of sysdm.cpl.
If the backup partition is listed as ON, visit
the Configure and use the Delete button to clear E: .
It is more important to not delete C: restore points,
if you frequently need/use those. You have to
think about the Delete button, when dealing with C: ,
whereas cleaning E: should not be nearly as big
a deal.
I don't expect you need to clean E: that way, but
if the items don't show up in SequoiaView, then you
have to use your powers-of-guessing, that the missing
material is in System Volume Information.
Paul
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I don't know if I did this correctly,...
https://postimg.cc/8fmHg2Cj
https://postimg.cc/sMNJz939
https://postimg.cc/r06C0V0D
probably not and it doesn't say how
big the mrimgs are. I really didn't
know what I was doing and played it
by ear. I had to add the external hd
drive F: before I could do the search.
It only had E:
I didn't download Sequoiaview but maybe I
should. I assume I do it before I use the cd
and then just open via PE environment under
programs? I just tried to install it and it says
it doesn't have enough memory.
Robert
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On 11/21/2021 8:50 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I don't know if I did this correctly,...
https://postimg.cc/8fmHg2Cj
https://postimg.cc/sMNJz939
https://postimg.cc/r06C0V0D
probably not and it doesn't say how
big the mrimgs are. I really didn't
know what I was doing and played it
by ear. I had to add the external hd
drive F: before I could do the search.
It only had E:
I didn't download Sequoiaview but maybe I
should. I assume I do it before I use the cd
and then just open via PE environment under
programs? I just tried to install it and it says
it doesn't have enough memory.
Robert
You double-click the icon for F: and you can
look inside.
Note that this tool in the Rescue CD is not "File Explorer" from
Microsoft. It's the Macrium Explorer, and the navigation
widgets are not the same. To go upwards in the tree,
you use the up-arrow icon, closer to the menu line.
I don't really know if you can run Sequoiaview from WinPE.
When I've tried doing stuff like that, my experiments
told me that I needed to use the 32-bit WinPE setup,
rather than the 64-bit one. That seemed to help. But,
the executable you're trying to run, it helps if that
one is "portable". The less reference to the Registry,
the better.
So *some* Win32 stuff will run from WinPE and have
a graphical output for you. But not all of it.
I will see if later, I can cook up a working example.
I have to go out in a moment.
Paul
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I already double clicked the F: drive and looked inside and I could not
find the mrimgs. The must be in some folder though.
I tried to download Sequoiaview again on the 780 not the external but it
says there's no destination? Should I of said yes?
https://postimg.cc/rz3SmGbf
https://postimg.cc/0bS7JM1P
https://postimg.cc/BjcDMrvz
https://postimg.cc/62SG8wH8
https://postimg.cc/Sj2Mw2sC
I checked the properties of the 780 and as I thought it has tons of free space
https://postimg.cc/MMZY7Wbt
So it seems I have to go through and delete the mrimgs one by one on the external
hd but how do I do that? They aren't listed as the previous ones I showed you all
nice and neat although they must be and are hidden somewhere because they're there.
I knew I had done more mrimg backups.
In passing I had to restart my computer (3) times to get the SD/RS flash drive to
work. Sheesh!
Robert
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I went into the 780 again and this time I had problems selecting the cd
because it wouldn't respond to the arrow keys. So I had to reset it and
tried again.
I found the mrimgs, they aren't on any account but just sitting there!
https://postimg.cc/2qydcCK5
That's why I never saw them in either account. I wanted to show them to you first then I would like to create a folder in the Admin Account and move them all there one by one and the Mrimg folders in the User Account which has the mrimgs from 2019 or
should I delete all of those mrimgs to clear space and then go through these mrimgs and delete as many as I can and then move them into the folder?
What do you think?
Robert
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On 11/22/2021 12:34 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went into the 780 again and this time I had problems selecting the cd because it wouldn't respond to the arrow keys. So I had to reset it and
tried again.
I found the mrimgs, they aren't on any account but just sitting there!
https://postimg.cc/2qydcCK5
That's why I never saw them in either account. I wanted to show them to you first then I would like to create a folder in the Admin Account and move them all there one by one and the Mrimg folders in the User Account which has the mrimgs from 2019 or
should I delete all of those mrimgs to clear space and then go through these mrimgs and delete as many as I can and then move them into the folder?
What do you think?
Robert
There are ten of roughly 120GB each, which is 1200GB.
There must be a few more of them, hiding somewhere on G: .
If these are backups of the 780, presumably the 780 has not
had a lot of changes made to it. Maybe you can thin the herd
a bit.
I would question why the backups are that big. A basic OS
install, 20GB is plenty for the core portion of it. Sometimes
the pagefile or the hiberfile was made too large, and that
is wasting space in a backup. By my suspicion, is you were
backing up a backup... there was an MRING on the root
of the drive being backed up, and so you have copies
of some MRIMG in there. MRIMGs inside MSIMGS. That's
one thing an operator has to check for, before running
backups.
I've never tried to edit an MRIMG, and I don't know if
there is any way, post-backup, of fixing an issue
like that. That's why I do a few size checks before
doing a backup run. Like my example yesterday, where
a C: that said it was 70GB, well, it just needed a kick
in the pants to slim down. Then the backup went much faster.
*******
The SequoiaView did work here. I got it working.
But the tricky part is, you'd have to be running a hard
drive OS first, have installed it, then, you can copy
C:\Program Files\Sequoia folder to a USB stick. Boot
the Macrium Rescue CD 32-bit version, double click the
Sequoia.exe icon on the USB stick folder, and it runs.
But I like your idea better :-)
Not many applications run that way. The WinPE environment,
on purpose, was not intended to be "useful" in that way,
but, some stuff does work. And it's the 32-bit WinPE,
plus the 32-bit softwares, which are the best candidates.
The SequoiaView installs in the wrong folder, it's a
32-bit program that installs in the 64-bit folder,
but this does not harm its potential to run in WinPE.
Just bring the folder over where it can be accessed,
and it is portable-enough to use.
*******
The SequoiaView installer expects to be installed on the
current OS drive. The shell environment of each OS,
identifies where the %ProgramFiles% is located, and
that's how the installer knows what a good candidate is.
The trouble with the Macrium Rescue CD, is the folder
would be X:\Program Files rather than C:\Program Files.
X: is a RAM drive. I presume it is writeable, but I've never
tried to do what you attempted to do ("offline install").
And yes, it does install on the RAM Drive X:
When it asks where to install, change C: letter to X:
C:\Program Files\Sequoia
X:\Program Files\Sequoia
If it asks to create that folder, approve it and say "OK".
And then tick the box for it to "start" when the
installer is finished, and it will start. Launching it
from the installer, is *very* convenient. There won't
be a desktop icon, at a guess, and that's because PEExplorer
is not File Explorer, so the desktop functions are missing.
From the SequoiaView menu, select the letter of the drive
needing a scan. If it is scanning the wrong partition, just
click the "Cancel" on it, then menu down and select the
partition desired. In this case, the drive might be
C: or it might be G: . You have to decide which
partition to look at.
Holding the mouse over the largest square, will
give the pathname of the "fat" file. The right-click
and "Explore" menu option for the "fat" file does
not work, as expected. That's because the File Explorer
is missing from the Rescue CD and only the Macrium
PEExplorer is available. And they're not the same thing.
But still, since the path displayed is valid, you will then
know what directory a fat blob is hiding in, making it
easier to find them. A bit easier.
You will need to install to X: , each time the Macrium CD
is booted, because X: is volatile and when the
Macrium CD exits at shutdown, all context is lost.
I think you are very close to getting it to run :-)
Paul
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Why don't I use Agent Ransack, I already have it on both computers
and SequioaView doesn't seem to work. After scanning it just went to
blank screen and show nothing.
Robert
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I'm on the 780
I downloaded SequoiaView and it immediately launched
a scan of the C: partition on its own but then nothing.
https://postimg.cc/0MgGGmXp
https://postimg.cc/hh1wjPhC
https://postimg.cc/wtN4d9SQ
I think for now I'll delete all the 2019 mrimgs and then go
through the remaining mrimgs.
I don't even want to think about mrimgs in mrimgs. I've
tried to be very careful.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 22 16:59:29 2021
On 11/22/2021 3:14 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Why don't I use Agent Ransack, I already have it on both computers
and SequioaView doesn't seem to work. After scanning it just went to
blank screen and show nothing.
Robert
Remember, partition lettering in foreign environments
is a bit random at times. There's a rationale to it, but
still, the booting material can grab the wrong registry
to use as a reference.
Looking at your pictures, I know you've scanned the wrong
partition ("C:"), because, the total disk used and free
are "not that full disk we want to study".
It could be that letter G: (gee) is the partition
you should be scanning with SequoiaView. When you display
details of that one, most of the partition should be "full",
very little "free". And you'll know, if you've scanned the right
one, there will be around, at least, ten squares next to one
another, of quite respectable size. Then, you're looking for
the other, several, squares taking up the remaining
unaccounted space. Hold your mouse over those other squares,
to get the file path to their hiding spot.
You're close... very close...
Paul
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I deleted all the 2019 mrimgs in the User Account then created a folder for
the mrimgs in the Admin Account (I accidentally named it '8500 mrimgs' so
I'll have to rename it next time I go in. ) I then went through the mrimgs deleting the older ones so I have (3) mrimgs left in the folder.
https://postimg.cc/rKm0hkZh
https://postimg.cc/4KzmKNn3
SequoiaView scanned the C: all on it's own after downloading. I didn't select anything. This was done when the external wasn't even connected. How
do I put it on a flash drive?
Robert
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On 11/22/2021 5:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I deleted all the 2019 mrimgs in the User Account then created a folder for the mrimgs in the Admin Account (I accidentally named it '8500 mrimgs' so I'll have to rename it next time I go in. ) I then went through the mrimgs deleting the older ones so I have (3) mrimgs left in the folder.
https://postimg.cc/rKm0hkZh
https://postimg.cc/4KzmKNn3
SequoiaView scanned the C: all on it's own after downloading. I didn't select
anything. This was done when the external wasn't even connected. How
do I put it on a flash drive?
Robert
It depends on whether you installed SequoiaView in
X:\Program Files\Sequoia # path used, when installing while Macrium Rescue CD running
or
C:\Program Files\Sequoia # like, on your normal boot system
The idea is, you would copy the Sequoia folder
and contents, onto the USB stick. Then, when Macrium
is booted from a CD, you can plug in the USB stick,
navigate to the stick letter, like where you put it
T:\Sequoia
and double click the EXE in there to start it.
The pull-down menu in the program, when it is running,
allows you to select any working partition. You can "Cancel"
the current scan, go to the menu, change the drive letter,
and scan that drive letter. You don't have to accept the
"default" scanning it does. You can stop it, give it a
new drive letter, and off it goes, scanning your new choice.
SequoiaView is a pretty old program, but the people who wrote it have
moved on to other things (university students).
I still find it handy for doing quick surveys. And spotting
MRIMGs that need to be removed, is one of the things I use it for.
Paul
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I installed SequoiaView on the 780 before I used the cd. I've coped it to the USB stick and now am trying it on the 780 with the cd. I copy/pasted it in the PE environment but it says it cannot open the file and when I tried to change the target and start to partition 'G' it said it wasn't valid.
https://postimg.cc/NyD79wNR
https://postimg.cc/qhZswxHR
https://postimg.cc/grQy6sKt
https://postimg.cc/PCkmSq9m
What am I doing wrong?
I stupidly connected the external hd for the 8500 but then realized what I did and logged off and disconnected it . SHessh However I better take a look after I'm done just to make sure the 8500 loads OK although I didn't open it or anything.
Robert
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I checked the 8500 to make sure it loaded ok with the CD then went in and deleted
(3) more Mrimgs even though we'll be getting a new external hd and all those mrimgs
were metal to metal.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 22 20:33:55 2021
On 11/22/2021 7:50 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I installed SequoiaView on the 780 before I used the cd. I've coped it to the USB stick and now am trying it on the 780 with the cd. I copy/pasted it in the
PE environment but it says it cannot open the file and when I tried to change the target and start to partition 'G' it said it wasn't valid.
https://postimg.cc/NyD79wNR
https://postimg.cc/qhZswxHR
https://postimg.cc/grQy6sKt
https://postimg.cc/PCkmSq9m
What am I doing wrong?
I stupidly connected the external hd for the 8500 but then realized what I did
and logged off and disconnected it . SHessh However I better take a look after
I'm done just to make sure the 8500 loads OK although I didn't open it or anything.
Robert
This is what my folder on the USB stick looks like.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/Ss1hxszF/Sequoia-View-Copying.gif
Your copied folder, looks like it came from a Start Menu
of some sort. Rather than from Program Files.
Paul
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It looks as if your right. There's no data or version to the right
when I checked program and features but I tried to follow instructions
I uninstalled it. Can't we use Agent Ransack instead? This is getting
too difficult and isn't working and I hate to keep connecting the external
hd's for fear of some mistake which may make matters worst.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Nov 22 23:30:14 2021
On 11/22/2021 10:07 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
It looks as if your right. There's no data or version to the right
when I checked program and features but I tried to follow instructions
I uninstalled it. Can't we use Agent Ransack instead? This is getting
too difficult and isn't working and I hate to keep connecting the external hd's for fear of some mistake which may make matters worst.
Robert
There aren't really that many places the MRIMG could be.
The top of a drive letter is one simple place they could be.
The way that Macrium navigates from the ... item on the right,
tends to toss you in places like this.
C:\some.mrimg
Your home directory is another area to check. But even then,
you have to navigate here, which isn't always easy.
C:\users\username # not quite as easy to get to
C:\users\username\Downloads # easy to get to (at least when backing up
# while booted from the regular C: ).
A Linux LiveDVD (in USB stick form), could also be
used to check out materials. And ones like Ubuntu,
as they're booting up, they verify the signatures
of a number of files on the media. Making it harder to
corrupt them.
When a Linux is burned to a DVD, that makes it harder for
something to modify the content. You could use a DVD-R for
example, which only burns the one time. And make sure the
session is finalized.
The only problem with Linux, is they never stop modifying their
File Manager, and it's easy for a feature to go missing.
Paul
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It sure seems difficult to find these mrimgs. I should
of done a better job in keeping track of them.
I went back to the external hd and looked through
the folders one by one although in some cases there
were more folders after I opened them then more so
I didn't look through every single folder.
When I looked under All Users I noticed I still have Apple
folders. I thought I had gotten rid of all Apple products. I
didn't do anything with them as yet but would like to delete
them. I shouldn't have any Apple products on the computers
should I?
I found one small mrimg and deleted it.
https://postimg.cc/vDqFkbgj
I found more macrium software but no mrimgs.
https://postimg.cc/t7mwDk8G
Here's the external hd properties:
https://postimg.cc/6y2SPRN2
How about I try using Agent Ransack because its already on both
computers and I've used it before. If I copy/paste the program onto
a stick it should work correct? I'll check it beforehand to make sure it has
an exe.
In passing, I'll need to download malwarbytes tomorrow or
the next day so is this link still valid?
https://www.malwarebytes.com/
Do I click on download now in the blue area or do I click the free
download upper right? They sure make it confusing.
Thanks,
Robert
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I looked at the 8500 and the 780 properties they are both identical 2TB
Seagate drives but how can the 8500 have more free space with all the
data etc then the 780 which has nothing in it? I don't understand it?
I copy/pasted Agent Ransack to the Patriot stick and tested it before
using it and it worked. So the loaded the cd attached the external hd
then the Patriot stick but it didn't work! I tried changing the partition letter
but still it didn't work. Why would it work on the 780 but not the external?
https://postimg.cc/V50KRwwm
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On 11/23/2021 1:12 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
It sure seems difficult to find these mrimgs. I should
of done a better job in keeping track of them.
I went back to the external hd and looked through
the folders one by one although in some cases there
were more folders after I opened them then more so
I didn't look through every single folder.
When I looked under All Users I noticed I still have Apple
folders. I thought I had gotten rid of all Apple products. I
didn't do anything with them as yet but would like to delete
them. I shouldn't have any Apple products on the computers
should I?
I found one small mrimg and deleted it.
https://postimg.cc/vDqFkbgj
I found more macrium software but no mrimgs.
https://postimg.cc/t7mwDk8G
Here's the external hd properties:
https://postimg.cc/6y2SPRN2
How about I try using Agent Ransack because its already on both
computers and I've used it before. If I copy/paste the program onto
a stick it should work correct? I'll check it beforehand to make sure it has an exe.
In passing, I'll need to download malwarbytes tomorrow or
the next day so is this link still valid?
https://www.malwarebytes.com/
Do I click on download now in the blue area or do I click the free
download upper right? They sure make it confusing.
Thanks,
Robert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malwarebytes_%28software%29
Website: malwarebytes.com
https://www.malwarebytes.com/premium
* Windows only DOWNLOAD FREE
The buttons all seem to be the same, so it will be a trial
version, that when the trial expires, only the on-demand scan
will still work.
https://www.malwarebytes.com/mwb-download/thankyou/
This gives a 2MB stub "MBSetup-119967.119967-consumer.exe"
---------------------
(
https://data-cdn.mbamupdates.com/web/affiliate_builds/win_temp/MBSetup-119967.119967-consumer.exe )
Whereas this link gives the full installer (offline type).
IT guys like this flavor, when deploying to a hundred workstations.
It cuts down network traffic on the WAN connection to Internet.
+-------------------------------------+
http://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline <=== LOAD THIS URL for 200MB file... |
+-------------------------------------+
The release notes say malwarebytes is version 4.4.11, and the
previous link returns
https://data-cdn.mbamupdates.com/web/mb4-setup-consumer/offline/mb4-setup-consumer-4.4.11.149-1.0.1513-1.0.47333.exe
Name: mb4-setup-consumer-4.4.11.149-1.0.1513-1.0.47333.exe
Size: 200,566,968 bytes (191 MiB)
SHA1: F63A45CB8BDA702FB0BE09B928442DC2B014A888
So that's a non-stub way of installing. It is likely to
still need some amount of AV definition update, to bring
it up to date when any on-demand scan is done.
The release notes are here, so that's how I know 4.4.11 is the one
and that file is the "current one". Using the "mb4_offline" link,
will dig up the latest one (like if you did it in December).
https://support.malwarebytes.com/hc/en-us/sections/360005863113-Release-History-News
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On 11/23/2021 1:41 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I looked at the 8500 and the 780 properties they are both identical 2TB Seagate drives but how can the 8500 have more free space with all the
data etc then the 780 which has nothing in it? I don't understand it?
I copy/pasted Agent Ransack to the Patriot stick and tested it before
using it and it worked. So the loaded the cd attached the external hd
then the Patriot stick but it didn't work! I tried changing the partition letter
but still it didn't work. Why would it work on the 780 but not the external?
https://postimg.cc/V50KRwwm
Robert
Look at the size of the file.
You seem to be copying some sort of shortcut folder,
like from a Start Menu.
To have a hope of something like this working,
the folder has to come from
C:\Program Files
C:\Program Files (x86)
Now, SequoiaView is an "odd bird". It uses a crusty installer that
few softwares use. What does it do ???
C:\Program Files <=== Puts SequoiaView 32-bit, into the 64-bit folder!
By us copying that folder from that place, that is
an anomaly.
For most other softwares, you look for the 32-bit folder.
C:\Program Files (x86) <=== My Agent Ransack is not in here
Now, where my Agent Ransack is located, is here.
"C:\Program Files\Mythicsoft\Agent Ransack\" <=== This will be the 64-bit version,
no good for the 32-bit Macrium CD
We would need to install the 32-bit Agent Ransack, to
have a 32-bit executable.
The deal with WinPE is, not all Windows subsystems are on
board. For example VSS is missing, so VSS cannot be used by
any program there. You cannot arbitrarily copy every 32-bit
program you can find, to a USB stick, and run it in WinPE
of Macrium CD. This should only work for a few things.
I sniffed a couple things from the MythicSoftware installer.
The output, is from the GNUWIN package having the "file.exe"
utility, which hasn't been updated in ten years. Still, it
knows the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit executables.
The two files, the "Details" tab for both is the same. You
cannot tell the files apart visually. The first one was
in "Program Files (x86)" tree, while the second was
in "Program Files" tree, and we can't use that one.
In fact, we don't even know at the moment, whether
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mythicsoft\AgentRansack\AgentRansack.exe
would work or not. Many things are too complicated. This one
uses .NET, and we don't know what the .NET library support is
like in a WinPE. Each OS has a "default" support level, the
WinPE5, the WinPE10, I bet you could look up what .NET comes
with them, and that would help determine whether this experiment
would work or not.
AgentRansack.exe; PE32 executable for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit AgentRansack.exe; PE32+ executable for MS Windows (GUI) Mono/.Net assembly
What's our first problem ?
You and I both have Win7 x64 on our computers. When the
Mythicsoft installer runs, it will install only the PE32+ version,
which is exactly the wrong version for Macrium environment.
We would need a Win7 32 bit OS setup on the computer, to
extract a 32-bit folder.
If the Agent Ransack *installer* file is put on the USB
stick, and the package is installed in X:\Program Files
(which is a 32-bit tree on the 32-bit Macrium setup), then
it would be the best we could do on matches. It would still
leave in the air, the issue of whether .NET 3 or .NET 4 is
in the environment or not. I bet my CD and your CD are
different in that respect, because there are a few variables
when Macrium CDs are made, and we might not have selected
the exact same options.
I can test the installer. I will test
https://download.mythicsoft.com/flp/2951/agentransack_2951.exe
via my USB stick, under the Macrium 32-bit CD, and see if it
works in X:\Program Files or not. It would end up in
X:\Program Files\Mythicsoft\Agent Ransack or so, and would be
a 32 bit install. The installer sniffs the OS and knows that
the 32 bit flavor is required.
32 bit CD has
X:\Program Files <=== 32 bit materials
64 bit CD has
X:\Program Files <=== 64 bit materials
X:\Program Files x86) <=== 32 bit materials
OK, the install failed, and that's because the installer
relies on MSI files and the Windows Installer, and perhaps
that is not present on X: .
OK, so now I will copy the AgentRansack folder from
Windows XP install. Which is 32 bit. I took it over and
it runs.
I put a fake "Some.mrimg" in my user directory, and
an Agent Ransack run found it.
So you can do an Agent Ransack. But, you'd need to
prep it in a Win7 x32 installation, which you are
unlikely to have by default. I got mine, by reaching
into a really old WinXP image and I extracted
AgentRansack 332. Since WinXP is (for the most part),
32 bit, I knew I could get one there. Without having
to install Win7 x32 in a VirtualBox VM and prepare
my materials.
Trying to use the AgentRansack installer while in
Macrium, it did not work, which means some Windows subsystems
were missing for it to work. But copying an existing 32-bit
install, it worked in my test.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/65wjv3MR/copy-an-old-install.gif
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Also, can I remove the Apple programs
with harming the system?
Robert
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I tried downloading SequoiaView directly to the Patriot flash stick
then loaded the external hd usind the cd and then attached the
Patriot stck and nothing. it still wouldn't work!
The only thing I can think of is that SequoiaView never really
finished downloading it correctly. At the end it just give this
button to click to a link to other products. Usually, at the end of
a download there's a finish but not here.
https://postimg.cc/G4DVPL9p
Checking the Programs list on the 780 shows the download is not
correct.
https://postimg.cc/0MjCfnZC
I went back and tried to download SequoiaView again to the 780
but again it was a incomplete download. That's why it is't working .
Your correct, I wasn't going into Programs files but in any case the
download isn't working. and I wasn't aware about changing Agent
Ransack to fir the 32 bit. This is getting to be a real nightmare. All I
wanted to do was clean the external hd.
You gave me two malwarebyte links with exe's, which one do I use?
Your confusing me .
(
https://data-cdn.mbamupdates.com/web/affiliate_builds/win_temp/MBSetup-119967.119967-consumer.exe )
Whereas this link gives the full installer (offline type).
IT guys like this flavor, when deploying to a hundred workstations.
It cuts down network traffic on the WAN connection to Internet. +-------------------------------------+
http://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline <=== LOAD THIS URL for 200MB file... |
+-------------------------------------+
The release notes say malwarebytes is version 4.4.11, and the
previous link returns
https://data-cdn.mbamupdates.com/web/mb4-setup-consumer/offline/mb4-setup-consumer-4.4.11.149-1.0.1513-1.0.47333.exe
Robert
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I picked your first choice for the 14 day trial which is what I
had previously I believe.
However were still stuck on SequoiaView to properly install.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Tue Nov 23 21:09:16 2021
On 11/23/2021 3:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried downloading SequoiaView directly to the Patriot flash stick
then loaded the external hd usind the cd and then attached the
Patriot stck and nothing. it still wouldn't work!
The only thing I can think of is that SequoiaView never really
finished downloading it correctly. At the end it just give this
button to click to a link to other products. Usually, at the end of
a download there's a finish but not here.
https://postimg.cc/G4DVPL9p
Checking the Programs list on the 780 shows the download is not
correct.
https://postimg.cc/0MjCfnZC
I went back and tried to download SequoiaView again to the 780
but again it was a incomplete download. That's why it is't working .
Your correct, I wasn't going into Programs files but in any case the
download isn't working. and I wasn't aware about changing Agent
Ransack to fir the 32 bit. This is getting to be a real nightmare. All I wanted to do was clean the external hd.
You gave me two malwarebyte links with exe's, which one do I use?
Your confusing me .
( https://data-cdn.mbamupdates.com/web/affiliate_builds/win_temp/MBSetup-119967.119967-consumer.exe )
Whereas this link gives the full installer (offline type).
IT guys like this flavor, when deploying to a hundred workstations.
It cuts down network traffic on the WAN connection to Internet. +-------------------------------------+ http://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline <=== LOAD THIS URL for 200MB file... |
+-------------------------------------+
The release notes say malwarebytes is version 4.4.11, and the
previous link returns
https://data-cdn.mbamupdates.com/web/mb4-setup-consumer/offline/mb4-setup-consumer-4.4.11.149-1.0.1513-1.0.47333.exe
Robert
I personally prefer offline installers.
http://downloads.malwarebytes.com/file/mb4_offline
but if you like the hidden nature of stub installers, you
can certainly use the one they offer from the main page.
*******
Your SequoiaView results suggest it installed OK.
Think about it for a moment. The "ClickTeam" installer, is an
installer nobody uses. It does not use MSI files. Consequently,
the "fields" in Programs and Features remain blank, because
Windows does not know what ClickTeam was doing. All Windows knows
is, the ClickTeam is done, and "here is your entry". If you
try to remove the ClickTeam item, it runs its uninstall file
that it placed in the Program Files ares.
Look in either C:\Program Files or C:\Program Files (x86) for the
SequoiaView folder. That's proof it installed. Running the
EXE from there ("Sequoia.exe"), would run it. As would some of
the other standard Windows methods. On my Windows 7, the Start menu
has a SequoiaView folder, further down the list.
The installer works, it's just a little non-standard design, which
leaves a few blanks here and there. Not a problem.
Paul
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On 11/23/2021 4:02 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Also, can I remove the Apple programs
with harming the system?
Robert
You might have installed QuickTime for some reason.
There might be
QuickTime
Apple Software Updates
as items to remove. For anything QuickTime could do,
the VLC video player can perform an equivalent action.
I'm not aware of an "Apple Cleaner" for Windows, because
the Apple people are not that clever. There are other bits
of junk they leave behind, but you have to examine their
download package, to figure out what the items are. For
example, iTunes had around five MSI files in it. Which equates
to five items to remove from "Programs and Features".
Paul
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I prefer to go with what you recommend so I un-installed
my previous download and selected your link. It's now
scanning.
I went to the 780 which I had on and it says FF crashed!
When I opened it looks allot different and the task bar is all
different and allot of my bookmarks are missing. I can't
believe all these things happen and I didn't do a thing to
cause it.! Now I have to rebuild the 780 bookmarks.
I am now going to try SeqouiaView again
Robert
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Well so far its not doing anything. Do I need
to click inside the dark area to the left? When
I hover the mouse there it says Sequoia.exe
if I hover to the right portion it says Seqouia.help
and the upper right it says uninstall.exe if I hover
over it.
How long does this take?
Robert
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I just noticed, the map isn't changing at all, when I move the mouse
to the help side(right side) the map changes to 30.8 of map. if I move
the mouse to the Sequoia.exe (left side) it says 66.2% of map and
neither has moved an inch and if I move the mouse to unistall.exe
it says 1.9% of map.
Robert
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I downloaded SequoiaView and then let launch on the 780
just to see it if would work. It's now scanning the 780 C:
partition but doesn't appear to be doing anything although
I have seen the map number (lower right of screen) change
but that's all.
https://postimg.cc/62KRYzQ4
https://postimg.cc/Y4zjq7pj
I also checked Programs to make sure it loaded correctly.
https://postimg.cc/tZrTWznj
Robert
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I tried to click inside the Sequoia.exe dark area to the left and nothing.
Even though it downloaded this doesn't appear to be working or is
taking an awfully long time. I see no activity at all.
Robert
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I finally closed SequoiaView which was running on
the Admin Account because I had to go there to verify
it was in Programs. It wasn't doing anything.
I launched it again in the User Account but it did the same
thing so I closed it.
What am I doing wrong?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Nov 24 01:42:45 2021
On 11/23/2021 11:23 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I downloaded SequoiaView and then let launch on the 780
just to see it if would work. It's now scanning the 780 C:
partition but doesn't appear to be doing anything although
I have seen the map number (lower right of screen) change
but that's all.
https://postimg.cc/62KRYzQ4
https://postimg.cc/Y4zjq7pj
OK, when the disk scan of C: stops, you're supposed to go
to the menu bar and select what you want. It decided to
scan all of C: but only display the sizes of things in the
SequoiaView folder.
Using the drop-down disk menu at the top of the page, select
C:\ instead of C:\Program Files\SequoiaView and then it will
show all the entries on C: .
I also checked Programs to make sure it loaded correctly.
https://postimg.cc/tZrTWznj
Robert
Yes, there's a folder in there, and Sequoia.exe.
The folder, is an example of what you would copy
to a USB stick. Since the program in this case, only
has 32-bit install capability, you know it is 32-bit
and suitable for a run-attempt while the Macrium CD runs.
Paul
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On 11/23/2021 11:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
This is the message I got about FF crashing
https://postimg.cc/mP1YmPTM
but also a folder (mbar) appeared on the desktop.
I opened it :
https://postimg.cc/mP99QKSy
Should I just delete it or what?
Robert
MBAR is the RootKit checked from MalwareBytes as far as I know.
I don't know any more about it than that.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Wed Nov 24 02:29:47 2021
On 11/23/2021 9:05 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I picked your first choice for the 14 day trial which is what I
had previously I believe.
However were still stuck on SequoiaView to properly install.
Thanks,
Robert
Copy the C:\Program Files\SequoiaView folder to your USB stick,
then boot the Macrium CD, then using the PEexplorer icon in Macrium,
open the USB stick and run Sequoia.exe from the folder of stuff.
It should work in Macrium, and any AV that used to be on C: is then
asleep.
You must select the correct drive letter, verify the size information
shown, as evidence of targeting the correct partition.
SequoiaView works here, but I don't have an AV running.
You have two AV running. The trial of Malwarebytes counts as an AV
for the next 14 days. After 14 days the trial ends, and it stops
being an AV and it starts becoming an "on-demand scanner". Thus,
after 14 days, it stops interfering with the machine.
Avast is also an AV and is your second AV program, when C: is booted
and not X: (Macrium boot).
Paul
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Robert in CA on Wed Nov 24 02:25:29 2021
On 11/24/2021 12:09 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried to click inside the Sequoia.exe dark area to the left and nothing. Even though it downloaded this doesn't appear to be working or is
taking an awfully long time. I see no activity at all.
Robert
In your case, this will be mainly for identifying the
filename and path of "fat" files, for further analysis.
The Properties dialog sometimes tells lies about size
and cannot be particularly trusted. It worked better on
WinXP or Win2K maybe. It is possible the program does not
expect files to be larger than 4GB (it should be using
Open64 for this sort of thing).
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/5NrwMxjD/Sequoia-View-Use.gif
Yes, it does take a long time, if the Win7 read cache is
not primed. A second run may go faster, not that this
is consolation.
The progress bar may appear to be full, but this may mean
instead that it did not know how many files were on the
volume, as it had first suspected. And it is still grinding
through them. All it is doing, is opening dir() and checking
the size field on each file.
It is unlikely to display the contents of System Volume Information.
Or, the Windows.edb belonging to the Search Indexer. There really
aren't a lot of Windows ecosystem utilities that can give
a *complete* accounting of NTFS file systems. nfi.exe comes close,
but even it is not perfect, and that one does not give sizes
in plain English, so is useless for casual forensic work.
But nfi.exe has given me file names before, that I would not
otherwise have seen with other utilities.
Even Everything.exe does not list all possible files.
Anything with "Permission Denied" is always hard to list.
In any case, in my picture, you can see I have a couple
candidate "fatty" files to check. The one in the example,
is Windows XP mode for Windows 7 Pro, a way to run WinXP
while Windows 7 is running. It starts out at around 1.2GB in
size, and is a lot smaller than your MRIMG files. The large file
on the top right, is a sparse file, and it does not take much
room at all. This is a form of compression the OS does for us.
There aren't really a lot of tools for sparse. On Linux,
there is "cp-sparse" for making sparse compressed copies of
files. That's an example of the kind of tool you find, with
some amount of detective work.
Paul
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I'll give it another try.
Here the contents of the SequoiaView folder:
https://postimg.cc/xkY5XH40
Robert
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Well this is weird, it closed itself. I went to the kitchen
and came back and it was closed.
Robert
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I'm running a Avast scan now and will try it again afterwards.
Robert
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I tried it again.
I let the disk scan finish and the
drive had been changed to C: but
nothing happens. It's still a gray
screen with boxes but as I say if I
hover over the area with the mouse
it picks up all sorts of data as I showed
previously.
I'll let it run but it doesn't seem to be
doing anything.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Nov 24 20:55:24 2021
On 11/24/2021 5:00 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I followed your instructions but wouldn't open:
https://postimg.cc/c6QpdXqr
https://postimg.cc/gLdBwb9r
https://postimg.cc/jCbs6Wtn
https://postimg.cc/Yh2MVJ4p
https://postimg.cc/mPtRZCNJ
https://postimg.cc/gxQpxjgJ
https://postimg.cc/VrBPZRmr
https://postimg.cc/NLBc9Wk1
Also some good news; I ordered the 6TB hd and Vantec case.
Robert
Curious.
Your picture sequence says:
1) You booted a Macrium Rescue CD, which could be a 64 bit CD
or a 32 bit CD.
2) You executed Sequoia.exe off a Windows partition of a hard drive.
Since Sequoia.exe is only 32-bit, we know it'll be a good one.
3) The loader has come up with a bogus explanation for why it
won't run.
Does this mean the Macrium Rescue CD happens to be a 64-bit version ?
*******
There is a way to check, *while* the Macrium Rescue CD is loaded.
1) Use the PEExplorer icon (the file manager), the blue icon in
the lower left corner.
2) Verify the optical drive is D: or some other letter. Mine is
D: and is what I will use in my example. You should substitute
your letter if different (and with your card reader, the optical
drive might well be a different letter.
3) Open the black Command Prompt window.
4) Type
D:
to switch to the optical drive partition.
5) cd sources
6) dir
It should say "boot.wim" in that directory, about 300-400MB or so.
We're doing the "dir" to make sure we are in the right place.
7) To check CD type:
dism /get-imageinfo /imagefile:boot.wim
and it will answer
Name: Microsoft Windows Recovery Environment (x86)
if this is the 32 bit CD needed to try running
sequoia.exe and so on.
It will say something other than "x86" if it is the 64-bit CD.
The 64-bit CD may be unwilling to run these
32-bit programs I cook up as candidates :-) I probably
started by testing a 64-bit CD, of which I have lots, and
made a 32-bit CD just so I could test this stuff. And I was
shocked the first time, when something ran.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Wed Nov 24 20:33:45 2021
On 11/24/2021 1:03 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I selected C: after the disk scan finished but doesn't appear to be doing anything. However when I moved the mouse over areas to the left it shows different data although I can't see it.
https://postimg.cc/HcG1F6Zp
https://postimg.cc/9wC5QrHK # showing Windows.old folder!
https://postimg.cc/nXCzJwk7
https://postimg.cc/grsk6Pt8 # OMG, weird or what ? An MRIMG in Windows.old ???
Am I doing this right?
Robert
Yes, you are doing it right :-)
And, you've already discovered something interesting.
*******
I would guess at some time, whatever machine that C: is from,
Microsoft tried to update it with Windows 10. Is that what
happened ?
Windows.old is normally supposed to erase itself.
When you are booted into that C: partition, you can run
Cleanmgr.exe
and at the second level will be an option to
remove Previous Installations.
https://i.postimg.cc/2SWmWC0M/Remove-Windows-Old-With-Cleanmgr.gif
After Cleanmgr.exe is finished, re-run SequoiaView and have
a look for any more MRIMG.
Paul
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Yes, the cd is 64 bit, it says so when loading.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 25 02:33:17 2021
On 11/24/2021 10:54 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the cd:
https://postimg.cc/gL2QzszL
https://postimg.cc/0brFhVXL
https://postimg.cc/BXyk32dt
https://postimg.cc/xkG4Lhqb
https://postimg.cc/KKb9cfQc
https://postimg.cc/JyQpsXdN
https://postimg.cc/PvCyVRfy
Robert
Something seems to have happened, between the
second last picture and the very last picture.
You were in D:\sources , at which point if
you had done, immediately,
D:
cd sources
dir <=== verifies boot.wim is present now,
dism /get-imageinfo /imagefile:boot.wim <=== so this command works as the next command
In any case, you seem to be able to get it working once
in a while, and perhaps by now you've found all the files.
The "Windows.old" being one of the problems.
It is possible, what you did, is you did a backup of C:
when a Windows.old was present, and every time you restore,
it brings that back. And the fact we're finding Windows.old
in the MRIMGs, suggests that Windows.old has been there for
a while.
Normally, cleanmgr.exe or a similar software, would have
removed Windows.old automatically. It really should not have
stayed around long enough to become a "permanent resident" on
your machine.
In the other post, I showed how to use "cleanmgr.exe" to
get rid of Windows.old. You should not throw Windows.old in
the trash, because it won't remove properly and will be a
permanent thorn in the side. The remnants can be *very* hard
to remove, if you already tried to get rid of it using
the Trash can. Enough of it gets erased, that "cleanmgr.exe"
does not recognized it enough to perform a Windows.old removal
procedure. You can't even remove the whole thing with Linux,
because Linux gets an "I/O error" while working with that
stuff. You could definitely get rid of any fat MRIMG file that
happened to be in that tree. That part of the mission won't be
a problem. But removing all of Windows.old manually, is a real
challenge.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 25 09:31:13 2021
On 11/25/2021 5:32 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just read your reply, yes it makes sense to remove
Windows. old with cleanmger.exe (I must have missed
that post). I'll see if I can find it again.
I'm on the 780 and decided to check the Task Manager
to see if we could detect anything?
https://postimg.cc/N95pTBbj
https://postimg.cc/Fd8GV8ng
https://postimg.cc/FYpZB7BK
https://postimg.cc/CZ64w9YT
https://postimg.cc/cvLY6TFs
https://postimg.cc/WdyFxLgQ
https://postimg.cc/S26nXn3h
I then decided to open Agent Ransack and check for mrimgs
and it found allot related but nothing big.
https://postimg.cc/zLVzZy8j
https://postimg.cc/T5XfDQm7
Robert
In the last two pictures, remember that anything with MRIMG
in the name, that has a small file size (1KB or 17KB), those
are control files and not fat backup images. While the name
has shown up in a search, those aren't hurting anything.
Also, the ones with an extension of .XML , those are the
backup control files in the Macrium menu - you keep those,
if you want to repeatedly use the backup you set up.
Like, you might select the same menu item
once a month when doing full backups.
I happen to set up my backup, each time I run them, so I don't
reuse the menu items. But everyone has their own way of using
the tool. Leftover XML files are tiny and not worth the
trouble to clean up. Not like a fat, space wasting, 100GB MRIMG
file would be.
With Agent Ransack in "Expert Mode", a size field is added below
where you enter the text to search for. And if you want, you
can set the minimum size to 1GB. In the search result then,
the XML files would stop appearing, as they're too small.
The only problem with the Agent Ransack size feature, is you have
to poke at it a bit, to understand how to enter the size.
I didn't get it at first. There are greater than and less than
signs, clicking on stuff, and a text entry, and I don't know,
I just wasn't using it right at first.
In fact, using the Expert Mode and that size feature, you don't
even need to type MRIMG in the text section. When searching
for fat files, you can tell Agent Ransack to "find anything larger
than 1GB" and then every fat file will show up, and you can
sort through what is found, for space wasters. That way, if you
had a 7GB movie from a DVD or something you didn't need, you
could discard it. For example, on my machine, that has Media Center,
the TV recordings are around 7GB per hour. Those tend to add up,
and probably aren't something you'd want fattening a backup image.
*******
Your Windows 7 Task Manager, is kinda like mine, filled with
Microsoft cruft. It's pretty hard to spot anomalies in a
mess like that. I see your Avast decided to run four
identically named things, but I don't know if that is significant
or is normal.
Paul
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I want to make sure I do this correctly because of what you
said about screwing things up when removing Windows.old
and then its near impossible to remove.
I'm not altogether clear where I type Cleanmgr.exe but this
looks like the regular disk cleanup in Accessories.
I went into Accessories and followed it to see if there were
a Windows.old then cancelled it because I wanted to make
sure with you that this is correct before proceeding.
https://postimg.cc/F1xSwfMY
https://postimg.cc/D8jXy9yF
https://postimg.cc/gx1L33ZT
https://postimg.cc/Hc9JGKPq
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Nov 25 18:53:54 2021
On 11/25/2021 4:39 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I want to make sure I do this correctly because of what you
said about screwing things up when removing Windows.old
and then its near impossible to remove.
I'm not altogether clear where I type Cleanmgr.exe but this
looks like the regular disk cleanup in Accessories.
I went into Accessories and followed it to see if there were
a Windows.old then cancelled it because I wanted to make
sure with you that this is correct before proceeding.
https://postimg.cc/F1xSwfMY
https://postimg.cc/D8jXy9yF
https://postimg.cc/gx1L33ZT
https://postimg.cc/Hc9JGKPq
Robert
Just the
Previous Windows Installs 63GB
should be enough in this case. The
Windows Update Cleanup
is optional, as some of the other options
in the cleanup dialog, take a long time to
run. Whereas the Previous Windows Installs
is mostly a " del *.* " type operation and
the time taken is file system time.
Some of the operations trigger compression,
which takes forever as the compression is
not particularly good. That's one reason why I'm
not insisting on a "proper" cleanup, because
Windows tends to go a little overboard.
Removing "Previous Windows Installs"
is normally of a clear benefit. That's
63GB that won't be going into the next
backup, and then the 2TB drive lasts longer.
Paul
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Should I remove the Apple programs? I have
no idea what they're for? So I thought I would
check with you before removing them.
https://postimg.cc/4m6sH1wd
By the way the 780 looks allot better than before
and much quicker response. Just for the heck of it
I closed all the programs and waited a bit and ran
a HDTune scan.
https://postimg.cc/D4KfRp59
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Nov 26 06:39:36 2021
On 11/26/2021 5:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Should I remove the Apple programs? I have
no idea what they're for? So I thought I would
check with you before removing them.
https://postimg.cc/4m6sH1wd
By the way the 780 looks allot better than before
and much quicker response. Just for the heck of it
I closed all the programs and waited a bit and ran
a HDTune scan.
https://postimg.cc/D4KfRp59
Robert
Apple Application Support
Apple Software Update
QuickTime 7
That looks like a QuickTime installer pattern,
at a guess, and not an iTunes. If it was
iTunes, there would be a Bonjour network
protocol installation as well. Windows might
use its own SSDP for Windows stuff.
So those three might be the ones to remove.
I do have a QuickTime in the collection, and you
can see the MSI files inside it with those names.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/fT8vt0rH/quicktime-install-set-three-big-items.gif
Paul
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Paul on Fri Nov 26 13:44:53 2021
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:39:55 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
On 11/26/2021 5:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Should I remove the Apple programs? I have
no idea what they're for? So I thought I would
check with you before removing them.
https://postimg.cc/4m6sH1wd
By the way the 780 looks allot better than before
and much quicker response. Just for the heck of it
I closed all the programs and waited a bit and ran
a HDTune scan.
https://postimg.cc/D4KfRp59
Robert
Apple Application Support
Apple Software Update
QuickTime 7
That looks like a QuickTime installer pattern,
at a guess, and not an iTunes. If it was
iTunes, there would be a Bonjour network
protocol installation as well. Windows might
use its own SSDP for Windows stuff.
So those three might be the ones to remove.
I do have a QuickTime in the collection, and you
can see the MSI files inside it with those names.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/fT8vt0rH/quicktime-install-set-three-big-items.gif
Paul
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Good thing I checked with you,... I know what its for
now after you mentioned Quicktime. It's part of Dell imaging.
Robert
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What did you think of the HDtune scan?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Nov 26 21:40:48 2021
On 11/26/2021 4:48 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Good thing I checked with you,... I know what its for
now after you mentioned Quicktime. It's part of Dell imaging.
Robert
I don't know what to tell you.
https://support.apple.com/kb/dl837?locale=en_US
Download QuickTime 7.7.9 for Windows
"Important: QuickTime 7 for Windows is no longer supported by Apple.
New versions of Windows since 2009 have included support
for the key media formats, such as H.264 and AAC, that
QuickTime 7 enabled. All current Windows web browsers support
video without the need for browser plug-ins. If you no longer
need QuickTime 7 on your PC, follow the instructions for
uninstalling QuickTime 7 for Windows.
"
There are two parts. A "QuickTime Player", which as far as I know
is web-enabled, and so, also contains browser-like components.
The libraries underneath that, might be what Dell Imaging is using.
I doubt there is a good reason for Dell Imaging, to be relying
on the Player.
Apparently, there is some way to install QuickTime, without the player
but keeping the library part.
*******
Older software, relies on AX files for codecs.
To install the codec files, type:
regsvr32 filename.dll
regsvr32 filename.ax
To uninstall the codec files, type:
regsvr32 -u filename.dll
regsvr32 -u filename.ax
It's possible the CODECs also had altitude, so that CODECs
could be prioritizes. Maybe one with 9999 priority would
be selected in place of one with 9998 priority. I think there
was some scheme like that, when a user was foolish enough
to dump multiple free "codec packs" into Windows.
But since we don't know how many formats Dell Imaging supports,
it is pretty hard to guess why it needs QuickTime. I bet QuickTime
had a JPEG module, for example, but the JPEG library source code was
available for free, from the body that wrote it. It was discovered
to have been written in a more naive time, and it needed to be
"hardened". That means, validating inputs so fuzzing wouldn't work
against it. A number of big players, discovered the hard way, that
none of their staff had "fixed up" the free code they were
snaffling. Back when that happened, that was a wakeup call about
how to do software development.
If a software developer was to use QuickTime, a good reason back in
the day, might have been to play an MPEG2 video. Maybe you could
pick an individual frame from the movie, copy and paste. That would
have been a good usage. But converting JPEG to BMP using QuickTime,
there are other ways to do that.
I couldn't tell you what functions will break in Dell Imaging.
Dell Imaging is something like PaintShop Pro, rebranded for Jasc.
The description here, saves me the trouble of piecing it together.
https://dell-picture-studio.software.informer.com/
"Dell Picture Studio was a set of tools and an online service from
JASC and shutterfly rebranded and released by Dell back in 2001.
The basic version is formed by Jasc Image Expert 2000 and basic Shutterfly
online service rebranded as Dell Picture Studio online, the enhanced trial
version will last 60 days and includes both basic features plus advanced
picture editing by Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7 Dell Edition. After trial period
customers can buy the full version directly from Jasc.
Image Expert 2000 helps you to acquire images from a digital camera
or scanner, quickly improve, organize and catalogue photos, create
greeting cards, fliers, and Web graphics, create presentations.
Picture Studio Online will let you share pictures online directly
from Image Expert 2000.
Paint Shop Pro 7 offered image editing functionality such as Cropping,
Rotate, Resizing, Brightness & Contrast,Color Adjustment, Scratch & Artifacts
Remover, Cloning, Retouching, Histogram Analyzing & Adjustment, Collage,
Flip (mirror imaging), Animation, Fliers and Frames & Special Effects.
The program is not longer available since Dell, Jasc and Shutterfly
partnership have ended, however Paintshop Pro Photo X2 is the
replacement for Paint Shop Pro, ImageExpert isnt longer required
since Windows XP and Vista have built in its functionalities.
Dell Picture Studio have been discontinued."
PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) is supported in Windows.
I liked the WinXP version of transfer wizard. The Windows 7
transfer wizard is a bit more annoying. You could plug in a USB
point and shoot camera, and pull photos off it.
GIMP allows a lot of picture conversions, but the intent of GIMP developers, was to "make a Photoshop clone". For example, they decided to make
floating palettes for later versions, which I absolutely hate because
my screen is small, and I can't afford to waste real estate on floating palettes. It is for that reason, I use the older versions of GIMP, and
not the newer ones. GIMP has a File : Create : Screenshot option,
so you can take pictures of the screen. The capture process is done
by a separate Windows EXE. GIMP can do a lot of the more simple
image manipulations. It doesn't have any of the Photoshop "blend
object out of picture" type stuff. It is more for cropping,
adjusting the colors a bit, scaling, and so on. It does have filters,
but they're an acquired taste.
And the interface does take some getting used to. Some things
take more mouse clicks, than I would like.
But GIMP is free and cross-platform, and saves on buying Photoshop.
I have a couple copies of bought Photoshop on the other computer,
but I just don't need it any more. GIMP is good enough for making
little screenshot things.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Fri Nov 26 21:52:50 2021
On 11/26/2021 9:11 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
What did you think of the HDtune scan?
Robert
https://postimg.cc/D4KfRp59
You should take a look at the Health tab,
and see if the Reallocated item, the Raw Data is
still zero.
Your scan is a tiny bit noisy, but later versions
of Windows tend to "do stuff" while HDTune is running,
and that is where some of the spikes come from.
The thing is, the spikes are "narrow". That's good.
It is when a spike is wide, like a whole yellow division
wide, and drops to around 10MB/sec, you would suspect
a drive is in trouble. Sometimes, the Reallocated
field does not indicate a problem, if the damage
is "focused" on a small portion of the drive. It's
better if the drive is making errors all over the place,
as then the sum total of problems, is reflected in
Reallocated. I had one drive, the status was "Healthy",
but one area of the drive, said the drive was "toast".
All the damage was in a narrow section.
But yours just has the normal amount of Windows intrusions
into the measurement. If the measurement was done on
Windows 2000, it would be clean as a whistle. And only
the error-related things would show up then.
You can try doing the scan, more than once, and see
if the spikes move or not.
The yellow seek dots look pretty good. I see one dot
at 29% that is high, but I've had brand new, high
quality drives, do that too, out of the box. It's
when the display is peppered with yellow dots "up high",
that spells trouble.
You can rerun the trace if you want, but I would say,
offhand, it's still a good drive.
If I had spotted a "drop dead" issue, I would have
written it up in the original post.
You try and run a clean one of those on Windows 10.
It's just about impossible, because of all the
little maintenance tasks Windows 10 thinks up when
it sees you using HDTune. I've used ProcMon before,
to watch the things being started, and... they're
pretty obscure. As the OSes get newer, making a
clean picture gets harder.
Paul
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I'm on the 780; I tried running Agent Ransack
using just the GB setting as you suggested.
https://postimg.cc/CR0c0gc3
I was thinking,... while we wait for the 6TB hd
and case could we create new Rescue cd's for
the 8500 and 780 so that I have more than (1)?
Could you give me instructions on how to do it
in the PE environment?
Thanks,
Robert
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btw I wanted to ask you, why can I install Microsoft Word
and Excel from the 8200 cd's onto the 8500 but not the 780?
Yet, I can install the Dell imaging software on both?
Thanks,
Robert
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On 11/27/2021 3:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
btw I wanted to ask you, why can I install Microsoft Word
and Excel from the 8200 cd's onto the 8500 but not the 780?
Yet, I can install the Dell imaging software on both?
Thanks,
Robert
You would need quite an expert on MSO
to answer a question like that. Some IT guys
used to know all the intricate details. But these
older versions, an IT guy today has probably
forgotten all that stuff. That's because some
of the behaviors of the installer were horrible,
and nobody wants to remember :-) You needed to pop
the CD into the machine a lot.
Paul
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On 11/27/2021 1:33 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I'm on the 780; I tried running Agent Ransack
using just the GB setting as you suggested.
https://postimg.cc/CR0c0gc3
I was thinking,... while we wait for the 6TB hd
and case could we create new Rescue cd's for
the 8500 and 780 so that I have more than (1)?
Could you give me instructions on how to do it
in the PE environment?
Thanks,
Robert
You can't make a CD in the WinPE environment. That's
expecting too many things to go right. There is a
copy of Primoburner or similar, in the Program Files
folder, if you want to try it. You would need a 32-bit
Macrium CD and a 32-bit Windows 7 C: and its Program Files
folder, to get the raw materials to try.
Your Windows 7 C: drives, I think they're 64-bit. And Macrium
might just install the 64-bit version.
Making media, can require some downloading, and certainly,
the network works while you're in Macrium. But is the
Windows Installer, BITS or DoSVC in there. That I don't know.
The devil is in the details.
The X: drive has 500MB of storage. The WADK download is bigger
than that, and also has a compression step which wastes even more
storage space. Where those files will go, I don't really know,
but X: is a natural assumption.
Maybe you can make the RAMDisk on a Macrium CD larger, but
I don't know the details of that. The early Microsoft sample
software to do that, it was "chinsy" at the beginning and only
small volumes could be made. I think the X: drive is sized
so boot.wim will work, and is not intended as a cache for
install.wim. Even if this was a Windows 7 32-bit installer DVD,
the X: ramdisk drive might still be 500MB and too small.
Macrium is a complex piece of software, and while you can test
these things if you want, I don't know how to work all the
kinks out of doing this. If Microsoft had only made the X: drive
equal to half your memory, the environment would be much more
useful. On Linux, the Ramdisk there is equal to half of
available RAM, for comparison. The directory where you can
use it in Linux, is "/tmp". And I regularly store stuff in there
(because the storage speed is tremendous, 7.5GB/sec). Of course,
when the power goes off, all the files are gone.
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On 11/27/2021 9:18 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I used the advanced options and set it to 32 bit and selected
the WIM for Windows 4.0 (WADK) which is required before
I can download the 5.0 (WADK).
I created the cd and then tried to run SequiaView but again it
wouldn't run.
https://postimg.cc/sG2HKszz # 32-bit selector
https://postimg.cc/CdM2wHq2 # building WIM
https://postimg.cc/XX2zqGKY
https://postimg.cc/rK3ZGBP6 # finished burn...
https://postimg.cc/G4D7XXW4 # Macrium booted
https://postimg.cc/348tJYdG # Browsing C:
https://postimg.cc/zH3pK7wX
I can now create rescue cds for the 780 and 8500 using the
advanced features . We already have one 32bit and a 64 bit
for the 780. I still would like another 64bit though.
Should I do a 32 bit for Windows 4.0 (WADK) for the 8500 so
they have both? sets?
Robert
I have not been able to figure out a reason for doing
32-bit versus 64-bit. It does not seem to affect the
outcome of the backup operation. But it might make
a difference to the ability to run Sequoia.exe .
As for the Macrium CD itself, you don't really know what
it has done, unless you check it. Because I think I told
you the story already, about Macrium making a 32-bit CD
and they placed a 64-bit reflect.exe type file on it,
and of course a 64-bit executable won't run on a 32-bit OS.
It is possible for Macrium to screw up, and that particular
case happened when using the WinRE method.
dism /get-imageinfo /imagefile:boot.wim # Not on Win7, a later OS
dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:L:\boot.wim /index:1 # Works in Win7
My DVD drive is J:, so the second command becomes
like this if pulling the info right off the disc.
dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:J:\sources\boot.wim /index:1
To use the Administrator command, you have to be able to "see"
that file on your device. In this case, with the DVD in the drive,
I can look in J:\sources and see if the file is there.
The index value of 1, is not appropriate for the job
(there is only one index), but, it keeps the command happy.
There are some samples of output in this picture.
https://i.postimg.cc/9FkfCZGG/checking-macrium-cd-winpe-bitness.gif
To tell whether the "reflect.exe" onboard the rescue CD
is the same bitness as the boot.wim, you can do Properties
on "reflect.exe" then use the compatibility tab. A
32-bit executable, the OS choices for compatibility go
back to Win95. If the executable is 64-bit, the menu
for compatibility choice starts at Vista. The PEexplorer
on the Macrium CD, probably can't do this, and this
would be more for your regular OS bootup.
https://i.postimg.cc/tCcmk4jq/64-versus-32-EXE-files.gif
Don't forget the real reason we make CDs. We need to do a
bare metal restore. That's a priority for the CD. Being
able to make a backup, is a "nice to have", especially
in a malware era. Being able to run SequoiaView because
I made a 32-bit one, is fun too. But at least make sure
when fiddling with your CD collection, that you still have
media suited for doing *any* restores that need doing.
It would be embarrassing later, to discover you didn't
have a Macrium8 CD ready to restore some Macrium8 image.
Paul
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But I tried SequoiaView with the 32bit cd and it didn't open.
So it makes no difference whether 32bit or 64 bit. Do you
want me to verify the cd by going to the command prompt?
I was thinking,. with this latest cd were using a kernal from V8
when all along we've been keeping everything in V7.
https://postimg.cc/LYxdFMPZ
I haven't done any of the updates on either computer to V8
because I thought you wanted me to stay in V7 and on the
cd's but doesn't this latest 32bit V8 cd compromise all that?
Now were mixing versions again or are you saying that's a
good thing?
So do I update to V8 or leave it as is? I'm confused here.
Also did I select the correct WIM and do I do version 5.0 next
time with a new cd? I ask because I saw your red underline in the
instructions.
Robert
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On 11/28/2021 12:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
But I tried SequoiaView with the 32bit cd and it didn't open.
So it makes no difference whether 32bit or 64 bit. Do you
want me to verify the cd by going to the command prompt?
I was thinking,. with this latest cd were using a kernal from V8
when all along we've been keeping everything in V7.
https://postimg.cc/LYxdFMPZ
I haven't done any of the updates on either computer to V8
because I thought you wanted me to stay in V7 and on the
cd's but doesn't this latest 32bit V8 cd compromise all that?
Now were mixing versions again or are you saying that's a
good thing?
So do I update to V8 or leave it as is? I'm confused here.
Also did I select the correct WIM and do I do version 5.0 next
time with a new cd? I ask because I saw your red underline in the instructions.
Robert
I used Version 8 of Macrium, because it was in front of me :-)
I wanted something where I could take a picture of the dialog.
I'd have to load another hard drive, to get a picture of an
older version.
Remember, my WinXP machine died, and with it, a lot of old setups.
If SequoiaView is not working for you, it doesn't matter. But
if you want to find leftovers on your C: drive, you'll have to
work up some other method. I think the error message, means you
used 64-bit media and the 32-bit executable. I suspect they're
expected to match, perhaps because the WinPE doesn't have a
WOW subsystem ???
What Windows On Windows (WOW) does, is solve the execution of
32 bit things on a 64 bit system. Or the execution of
16 bit things on a 32 bit system. Without WOW, you need
an executable to exactly match the OS. If you used a
32-bit Macrium CD, then dammit, 32-bit SequoiaView is
supposed to work. Portable applications, without a lot
of subsystem dependencies (like VSS), should just work.
When you boot your C: drive, WOW Is running for you.
Whereas with the CD, it's just my suspicion that they
don't bother with that. All I noticed was, when I was
testing stuff (like running HDTune via Macrium CD), that
32-bit on 32-bit seemed to be working. Whereas
32-bit applications on the 64-bit version, didn't work.
And strictly speaking, we're not supposed to be doing this,
if you read the Terms of Use of WinPE :-) Not that I'm
particularly worried about any "loss of revenue" Microsoft
may be suffering for their malware laden OS :-) We only have
to do stupid shit like this, for when our machines are broken.
Paul
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But I already make the 32 bit cd, I showed you the pictures.
I selected 32 bit in the advanced options.
https://postimg.cc/DSD0KymV
Robert
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On 11/28/2021 12:35 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the cd
https://postimg.cc/nMfdx1tc <=== it says "64-bit" in the title bar > https://postimg.cc/fk78R0w7
https://postimg.cc/nXr22RqT
Robert
Both the title bar of the window, and the command invocation,
tell you the media is x64, and that error message is to be
expected when you run 32-bit SequoiaView.
You would need to make a 32-bit CD, using the tick box for
32-bit in the picture I made for you. You can see in one
of the panes, there was a tick box for that.
Since Macrium doesn't seem to be using machine memory to
any great effect, I don't think selecting 32-bit WinPE makes
any practical difference to backup or restore speed using
the CD. There doesn't seem to be a System Write cache there.
I think in fact, Macrium goes out of its way, to do all
operations un-cached, for safety.
*******
I checked a few Macriums, and I think Macrium8 allows the 32-bit
media to be selected in Advanced section. Macrium7.2 has the
same option for selection. It's Macrium6.1, the one I looked at,
you don't have that selection option. So your Macrium7
setup, there is a chance it allows selecting 32-bit WinPE.
Not all of the CDs, print in the title bar whether they
are 32-bit or 64-bit CDs. That's why you should not lose
that command that checks that for you, because on the older
CDs, the bitness isn't in the title bar.
Paul
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I would like to create a cd as a backup to the
ones we've been using, basically a copy but
using WIM Version 4.0 isn't the same thing
because it uses a Version 8 kernal.
So do I just make a cd without going into advanced
options to make a copy of what I already am using?
If so, then I want to make one for the 8500as well so
I have more than (1) cd for redundancy.
Robert
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I agree that at this point we don't need SequoiaView
because it already identified the problem when
I had the mouse pointer in the gray areas which
reveled the Windows.old file.
So it worked in a way and enabled us to clean the 780
and now that I know how to search more effectively with
Agent Ransack I can use that but I think we've cleaned
the 780 as much as possible after we removed the
Windows.old
I also agree SequoiaView should have worked this last time
but it appears even though I selected 32bit at the beginning it
came out as a 64 bit cd? If you check my sequence of pictures
thats what happened
btw I wanted to mention, when using this new cd we just made,
it doesn't seem like it's working when I press F12 and it takes
forever before it brings the boot screen up.
Robert
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On 11/29/2021 1:56 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I would like to create a cd as a backup to the
ones we've been using, basically a copy but
using WIM Version 4.0 isn't the same thing
because it uses a Version 8 kernal.
So do I just make a cd without going into advanced
options to make a copy of what I already am using?
If so, then I want to make one for the 8500as well so
I have more than (1) cd for redundancy.
Robert
One thing I was afraid of, when seeing the Advanced option
radio button for 32-bit, is that it would not trigger a
fresh download of materials.
The user manual seems insistent this works. The claim here
is, if the matching 32bit/64bit WinPEx is missing,
there will be a dialog asking to present the version
of ZIP file needed.
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW/Creating+rescue+media?src=contextnavpagetreemode
When you attempted to install a Macrium8 Free, there was a
stub downloader.
Here, you can see me using the stub download to try to
get a WinPE4 x32 bit. The stub downloader was named
"ReflectDLHF.exe", but in the picture, I usually add
a few letters to indicate what version of stub installer
this is. But it also allows selecting the WinPE ZIP file
desired, and adding it to the download folder where you
put the v8.0.6353_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe , which
is the installer for the main program. There's nothing
magic about the folder, just a convenient place to keep
the goods while working. In my example shot, you can see
a "pe10_1709x64.zip", which is a newer WinPE kit for my use.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/J7QYvCRs/Macrium-PE-versions.gif
To avoid beating up your CD writing process, you can make
an ISO file in the menu, then burn the CD later with
Imgburn. We may have added Imgburn to the machine at
some time, not sure, but that's one way to do it. With
the ISO in hand, you can make the CD at any time later.
And as long as the ISO file is renamed so you understand
what you just made, you'll be find. in my sample photo, you
can see I made a Macrium8Rescue64.iso, but I really could
have included the PE version as well, like
Macrium8-Rescue64-WinPE4.iso
so I would know later what it was. I can always use one
of those DISM commands to get some info from it, but it
might not be enough...
Anyway, that's all I have to offer at the moment.
Your steps would be:
1) Use ReflectDLHF.exe used to acquire Macrium8, and
reuse the downloader to select "WinPE Only" type item.
Place the download in your ...Downloads\Macrium folder.
You select Downloads, and Macrium may have added the
\Macrium part for you. As long as the Download is where
you expect to find it, the location isn't too critical.
You probably don't want the "Install now" button ticked,
because it would grab whatever EXE was in the ...Downloads\Macrium
and start installing.
2) Start the copy of Macrium while C: is running.
Select the Create Rescue Media option.
Use Advanced to select the WinPE4 x32 option.
3) Select "make an ISO", so that (as part of this experiment),
it just creates an ISO. What we're looking for by the program,
is a file dialog prompt asking for a "pe4x32.zip" or similar.
Point that file dialog at the one freshly downloaded by ReflectDLHF.exe
in step 1.
4) If the ISO made seems correct, you can burn it with Imgburn.
Alternately, you can repeat the "Build" button exercise a second
time, with the "output as burned CD" selected instead of the
"making an ISO" option. And then the built-in Primoburner.exe
Macrium has in the Program Files will make the CD.
I wanted to get you started, and hope this is enough.
Paul
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Is this the file you want me to start on?
https://postimg.cc/3WmJBNBC
Robert
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I created the folder in the Admin Account but
realized it doesn't need to be and I want ease
of access so I'll have to delete that one and
make a new one in the User Account.
Robert
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This is as far as I got :
https://postimg.cc/0K802Q0g
https://postimg.cc/WDwDp7W3
I don't exactly know what to do now?
Am I suppose to open Macrium now?
btw should I keep SequoiaView even
though it doesn't work?
As far as Imgburn I think I'm going
to need instructions.
Robert
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On 11/29/2021 6:33 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Is this the file you want me to start on?
https://postimg.cc/3WmJBNBC
Robert
You can use that stub tool, to download extra
versions of the WinPE kits.
Paul
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On 11/29/2021 8:18 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
This is as far as I got :
https://postimg.cc/0K802Q0g
https://postimg.cc/WDwDp7W3
I don't exactly know what to do now?
Am I suppose to open Macrium now?
btw should I keep SequoiaView even
though it doesn't work?
As far as Imgburn I think I'm going
to need instructions.
Robert
In the first picture, the program seeks to elevate,
because it also runs the installer, if you tick the
option to run the installer automatically after
the download finishes
Downloads\Macrium
ReflectDLHF.exe stub download tool
v8.0.6353_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe 172MB, installs Macrium on C:
pe10_1709x64.zip 463MB, WinPE10 kit for rescue CD
...
pe3x86.zip smaller, older WinPE kit for rescue CD
By using the ReflectDLHF.exe repeatedly, and
selecting to download "Only the WinPE", you can
collect whatever version you want. Maybe you could
select "install when done", but I haven't tried that.
The problem is, there isn't an "easy way" to offer the
downloaded files to the program. You can rerun
v8.0.6353_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe
the program installer, and it should "see" the
ZIP files next to it. But whether it will load
just one of them, or load all the ones you offer,
that's not clear to me.
And as it turns out, the program has a mind of its
own, and even if we use the stub installer, it doesn't
necessarily use what is offered!
*******
If I look in C:\Windows\Installer (a hidden folder
not intended for users to use), the contents are
pe5x64.zip
reflect_setupv5.3.7149-x64-00.msi
reflect_setupv6.2.1549-x64-00.msi
reflect_setupv6.3.1865-x64-00.msi
reflect_setupv8.0.6353-x64-00.msi
This is a cache that Windows keeps, and it is intended
to help the Programs and Features control panel, with
program removal. That seems to be about the only
storage I can see for the ZIP files, except for the
original ...Downloads\Macrium staging area. It's possible
the kit is disassembled and stored somewhere, and I wouldn't
notice. I would have to look for the WIM to see it then.
You can see here, while Macrium is running from C: , it has been
messing around, and keeps unrolled copies of the ZIP materials
for itself. The one in the Windows Installer area, is mostly
for Repair install and is not used otherwise. The last two
entries, were added by my attempts to build a PE3.1 CD. I needed
a way to observe what it does when you ask for a different version.
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows Kits\8.0\Assessment and Deployment Kit\
Windows Preinstallation Environment\amd64\en-us\winpe.wim 162MB
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows Kits\8.1\Assessment and Deployment Kit\
Windows Preinstallation Environment\amd64\en-us\winpe.wim 173MB
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools\x86\winpe.wim 111MB C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools\amd64\winpe.wim 132MB
So while C:\Windows\Installer has nice neat pe5x64.zip or pe3x86.zip,
the runtime environment of Macrium keeps ProgramData unrolled versions.
And also, when you ask for anything "unique" or not yet seen, it
downloads it.
The downloads, when a download is asked for, is both x86 and x64. The pe3x86.zip it might keep, doesn't seem to follow what it is doing
in ProgramData, so perhaps the downloads include both versions
of a PE3 version.
Now, the next weirdness is, if you use "Advanced" and select x32 for
your build, and there is a download needed, it recognizes the C:
OS is 64 bit and it *flips the control back to x64 on its own*.
But, a *second* attempt to build an ISO, clicking the x32 in Advanced,
results in a notification "drivers missing" but it offers to continue
anyway when you click Build. And that second build is x32.
The reason it says "drivers missing", is during the Build process,
it checks the WIM and sees that the WIM has drivers for 12000 devices.
If, however, some unique hardware is in the machine, it "scrapes" the
drivers from the C: drive. This (of course) works best, if the CD it is building, has the same bitness as the C: drive. Which gives it a
rationale for flipping the damn control back to x64, because then
it can fulfill more of the driver requirements, by using the
bare kit WIM plus adding x64 drivers off C: . If you ask for the x32 CD instead, the C: drive doesn't have 32 bit drivers sitting in C:\Windows\INF,
so the dialog saying "I can't do my shenanigans" pops up and when
you click Build (anyway) it builds a CD with a few drivers missing.
The CD is likely to boot (that's not the kind of driver that is missing),
but maybe instead of using a USB3 driver, it only
uses a USB2 driver... or whatever.
I think a few years back, I had a Macrium CD where the network driver
was missing. But that did not stop me from using my external drive,
so no harm done. Occasionally I pull or push MRIMG files over the
network here, so the network function is useful when it is working.
But, it can be slower to use the network, than a well-tuned
USB3 enclosure.
Paul
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I checked the folder to make sure it was there.
https://postimg.cc/fttqT5pf
https://postimg.cc/2qq74yGz
I choose PE3 to give me V7 so its compatible
with the computers but now that I know how to
use the stub I can go back and create one for 4.0
and 5.0
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
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On 11/30/2021 10:41 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the folder to make sure it was there.
https://postimg.cc/fttqT5pf
https://postimg.cc/2qq74yGz
I choose PE3 to give me V7 so its compatible
with the computers but now that I know how to
use the stub I can go back and create one for 4.0
and 5.0
Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
Well, you have the ingredients now, to do whatever
seems best.
Select the WinPE that supports the CD backup method of
choice.
The only thing I might care about, is the USB3 interface
running at USB3 speed. Windows 7 does not have USB3
drivers of its own. This means if the installed Windows 7 was
x64, at some point, someone installed proprietary drivers
to make the higher speed ports work.
For example, on the machine I'm typing on, there is Asmedia 500MB/sec
and Asmedia 1GB/sec ports, and they each have their own driver. And
Macrium is copying those when making media for me. If I selected
a much later standard, like a WinPE10, then the driver could be
in the WIM that comes with that kit.
You will be able to tell later, if the backup takes 20 minutes
or it takes 2 hours, whether something is amiss or not. Your USB3
enclosure should be helping make efficient backups for you.
You can run HDTune from a 32-bit Macrium CD. And HDTune has
a "screenshot" capability too, in the form of a "floppy" icon on the
upper right of the window. Using the benchmark, you can tell
whether the enclosure is running at the proper speed or not.
That gives you two ways to do it. (1) is notice the backup
runs pretty damn slow, indicating you could make a better
CD for yourself. Or (2) is to use a 32-bit Macrium to run
HDTune and check the enclosure rates that way.
In this test, I'm using an SSD drive connected to a USB3 adapter
cable, then plugged into one of the USB3 ports. And you can
see that SSDs have flat transfer curves (they have no platter
with big diameter and small diameter behavior). And I got
300MB/sec, which means a USB3 driver of some sort is present.
The figure is not exactly awe-inspiring, but, the backups I make
will be running about as fast as they possibly can.
https://i.postimg.cc/QtxNkP7K/HDTune-Benchmark-ASMT2115-Macrium.gif
The ASMT2115 is not a chip number. It seems several Asmedia peripheral
chips use the same identifier string, and it is likely to be coming
from the firmware in the adapter cable. Your enclosures can also play
games with their identifiers, making it hard sometimes to
tell what silicon is being used.
And the difference between 300 and a 1000 is all the hardware I've
got, and I don't have any 2000 connectors on any PC. That's one of
the side effects from the motherboard I picked out. The motherboard
runs cooler, but it doesn't have the faster connector on it either.
Getting to use the "full speed" of some of these connectors,
is pretty elusive. But as long as it's going faster than 35,
I'm happy :-) If the benchmark had come back 35, I'd be making
a new CD.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Tue Nov 30 17:18:42 2021
On 11/30/2021 2:46 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just want to make sure were on the same page. I have
not done any Macrium v8 updates on either computer.
We are at V7 on both.
I understand your concerns which is why I want to add 4.0
because it includes 3.0 USB.
I added 3.0 ISO to the 8500 but it didn't include the application.
https://postimg.cc/87XysSCM
https://postimg.cc/xqyV8XVm
https://postimg.cc/fVVPcLpB
https://postimg.cc/Wtsf9SxD
I tried it twice and overwrote the file but with the same result.
I then tried to download version 4.0
https://postimg.cc/5Q1Bt7dZ
https://postimg.cc/XX31qx8j
then renamed them 3.0 and 4.0
https://postimg.cc/DWL5yb44
Robert
It works better, if you do it from the Macrium application
and the "Other Tasks : Create Rescue Media".
Use the Advanced there, select what you want, and Macrium
will take care of the details.
The one thing you have to watch, is the habit Macrium has
in that interface, of flipping the bit setting back to the
OS bitness value. (Flipping it from 32 bit to 64 bit, if
the installed OS you're running from is 64 bit.)
Offering them to Macrium (the ZIP files), via the Repair Install route,
it's not clear that the installer processes all the ZIP files.
If it did, like if you want to tell what it has installed,
you look for WIM files in the C:\ProgramData tree. And there,
you will find more than one unpacked WinPE tree. The unpacked
WinPE tree, is what Macrium seems to be consulting, to see
if it "has goods for the job" or "needs to download when
the Build button is pressed". When the Build button is pressed,
only then does it resolve any issues, like missing materials.
"How you can tell what PE packages are onboard at the moment"
(Yeah, I know, there are no labels...)
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows Kits\8.0\Assessment and Deployment Kit\
Windows Preinstallation Environment\amd64\en-us\winpe.wim 162MB
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows Kits\8.1\Assessment and Deployment Kit\
Windows Preinstallation Environment\amd64\en-us\winpe.wim 173MB
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools\x86\winpe.wim 111MB C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools\amd64\winpe.wim 132MB
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I went back into the 780 and created a new 64 bit
3.1 rescue cd and tried it so I know it works.
https://postimg.cc/LgnMyS0B
I'm out of CD-RW's so will have to order more to
make new cd's for the 8500.
I was hoping the computer case would arrive today
but it didn't so hopefuly tomorrow. Then we can
clone it and create our first mrimg.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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On 12/1/2021 1:15 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back into the 780 and created a new 64 bit
3.1 rescue cd and tried it so I know it works.
https://postimg.cc/LgnMyS0B
I'm out of CD-RW's so will have to order more to
make new cd's for the 8500.
I was hoping the computer case would arrive today
but it didn't so hopefuly tomorrow. Then we can
clone it and create our first mrimg.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
The CD-R type, are write once. They cannot be erased.
The CD-RW are re-writeable. You can erase
them and write them again.
https://i.postimg.cc/8cJ60vLG/IMGburn-erase-disc.gif
If you have CD-RW that "were a mistake", they can be
recycled to make good ones from them.
Paul
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On 11/30/2021 6:16 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried it Macrium but when I started to build it, it said there was already one present.
https://postimg.cc/yD2DLHCX
https://postimg.cc/XGkXNBGQ
https://postimg.cc/Dm78j6HD
https://postimg.cc/cvtHgbtK
Robert
When you're saving to ISO, you need to give the
filename on the end of that path, a descriptive name.
Macrium7-WinPE3-x64-724139.iso
That way, if you're changing the details of each ISO
built, you will have some way of recognizing what
they were. You could still have name collisions, even
with a naming convention like that example.
You could also create
C:\ISO
and keep your ISO outputs in there.
That way, the path name will be shorter.
When I build software from source, sometimes the
instructions for that will specify that the
source should be placed in the root of C: .
C:\Mozilla-Source
C:\Mozilla-Build
It isn't good hygiene to put *everything* in the
root of C: . But for some materials, the shortened
file pathname helps when humans need to navigate them.
A path like this, might fit in that dialog box while
you are editing the filename.
C:\ISO\Macrium7-WinPE3-x64-724139.iso
If every ISO you make is MacriumRescue.iso
C:\ISO\MacriumRescue.iso
C:\ISO\MacriumRescue.iso
...
then they will overwrite one another.
Paul
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I went back and tried it, is this correct?
https://postimg.cc/SJyk800F
Robert
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On 12/1/2021 5:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I ordered new Verbatim CD-RW's; same kind as
I have been using all along which I believe you
recommended along with the Patriot which I like
allot.
https://www.newegg.com/verbatim-12x-700mb-cd-rw/p/N82E16817130176?Description=verbatim%20cd-rw&cm_re=verbatim_cd-rw-_-17-130-176-_-Product&quicklink=true
I have several CD-RW that I need to erase. I tried
using them to create a Rescue CD and they all failed
when I tried to boot from them. I only had one new
CD-RW so used it to create the 64 bit 3.1 Rescue CD
and when I get the new cd's in the mail I will create
a 4.0 Rescue CD for the 780 then do the 8500.
Robert
I don't think Verbatim has their own media plant.
They seem to buy contract lots of blanks from others.
That's where I was getting all my Riteks.
But, Verbatim have pretty good taste in media.
There are some other brands, like the last ones I bought,
where the brand name is likely being "rented" as a name.
As an example of a rental name, there were some
"Duracell" USB flash sticks, and I somehow doubt
Duracell built a brand new factory to make a $10 item :-)
Just as I can go to the store and in the construction
boots section, there are Catapillar brand footwear.
And you know if you were to phone their head office, they
probably don't know they make footwear.
Any time an item is a "race to the bottom" type, it's hard
to imagine anyone starting a business from scratch doing it.
Some of the low end optical media, there can't be much profit
margin on it. I'm really surprised there continue to be
companies buying blank media from other companies and
reselling it.
Paul
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On 12/1/2021 5:22 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and tried it, is this correct?
https://postimg.cc/SJyk800F
Robert
Since the Type field says "Disk Image File", the
full name must be "MacriumRescue - #2.iso".
And such a file could be fed to IMGBurn.
If IMGBurn is installed, and you double click the
ISO file, IMGBurn will open to the upper left
burning type.
In cases where a multitude of burning tools are
installed, it's harder to predict what will open.
Paul
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As I said, I only have Imgburn on the 8500. I checked
and I don't seem to have a download for it. Could you
please provide a link so I can install it on the 780?
Thanks,
Robert
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Interesting, I never thought about it like that before.
So much has been shipped overseas though and that's
not a good thing from a national security viewpoint.
I know what you mean though. For years I always
bought Michelins but this last time around I had
found their quality was way below standard so
searched out another tire - 'Eagles' which I found
were made by Goodyear for Walmart. Nice looking
tires and allot cheaper!
Robert
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Just tried to buy a present for my sister on
eBay and it got hung up so I had to close it.
It shows I bought the item but Paypal and
my eBay Account don't show it.
I asked the seller to please delete the item so
I can try again and showed him the screenshot
of it saying I already bought the item.
See what I mean? I had just bought a present
for my brother on eBay with no problems. Then
this happens.
Robert
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On 12/1/2021 7:07 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
As I said, I only have Imgburn on the 8500. I checked
and I don't seem to have a download for it. Could you
please provide a link so I can install it on the 780?
Thanks,
Robert
Do you keep the installers ?
Just put the installer file on a USB stick and carry it across.
I keep installers in my Downloads folder, and if I needed an
Imgburn, I'd just look in the Downloads folder on the other machine.
For Imgburn, if you like the version you've got, then
it would help to know the version number. There is probably
a copy of the older ones, on oldversions.com or similar.
Usually places like Help : About can have version info.
I don't know where Imgburn hides its info, but there are a ton of
functions in the menus and it is bound to be in there somewhere.
Paul
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I went to the imgburn website would I select the
download next to Version 2.5.8.0 ?
https://postimg.cc/Rq3zWXCz
The case for the hd arrived! I haven't opened it as yet.
Robert
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I put the 6TB hd in the Nexstar case.
Should I now proceed to cloning via Macrium?
Robert
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On 12/2/2021 1:53 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went to the imgburn website would I select the
download next to Version 2.5.8.0 ?
https://postimg.cc/Rq3zWXCz
The case for the hd arrived! I haven't opened it as yet.
Robert
https://www.softpedia.com/progChangelog/ImgBurn-Changelog-27810.html
What's new in ImgBurn 2.5.8.0
June 23, 2016
no more "opencandy" adware!
New in ImgBurn 2.5.8.0 (June 17, 2013)
New in ImgBurn 2.5.7.0 (March 30, 2012)
That means 2.5.8 from the authors site should be safe.
It's unfortunate that the version number is not
changed, so you can tell the difference.
https://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
ImgBurn v2.5.8.0 (3,870 KB)
Released: Sunday 16th June 2013
Mirror 1 - Provided by Digital Digest
Mirror 2 - Provided by BetaNews
Mirror 3 - Provided by Softpedia
Mirror 4 - Provided by Free-Codecs.com
Mirror 5 - Provided by TechSpot
Mirror 6 - Provided by MajorGeeks
Mirror 7 - Provided by ImgBurn
CRC32: 1AF3CD36
MD5: 4BF2B8F4B46385BFDA4D65E423CFB868
SHA-1: 6A3D20796E1FCD4169D5D339AF6E491DCEA3367C
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/3285-imgburn.html
Click the blue "Download Now" on the left.
I had to pick Techspot for the download, as
MajorGeeks interface has become a minefield.
*******
From my records:
Name: SetupImgBurn_2.5.8.0__clean_majorgeeks.exe
Size: 3101913 bytes (3029 KiB)
SHA1: 6A3D20796E1FCD4169D5D339AF6E491DCEA3367C
Name: SetupImgBurn_2.5.8.0__dirty_official.exe
Size: 3949340 bytes (3856 KiB)
SHA1: BEEC8739A7A6492DB880FC2B1912608BCBB5D517
That should allow you to tell the two versions apart.
The dirty one would have OpenCandy.
This is the scan of the dirty one, to show you how
it lights up Virustotal. I would expect with the amount
of red text, that even Avast would notice. If it's the
clean one, the download should finish. Doing Properties
on the file after download and seeing the byte count,
should give you some feedback one way or another.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/fcba6654827132d42050d21437134976cd3fd433012f0f29fff26a2355206122
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On 12/2/2021 2:27 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I put the 6TB hd in the Nexstar case.
Should I now proceed to cloning via Macrium?
Robert
If you have a reduced-size image you like, clone away.
I might try a test-write from end to end. I usually putter
around with new drives for a bit, to make sure I'm happy
with them.
Make sure as part of your bring-up activity,
that the enclosure fan spins OK and that air
is moving there.
Your clone needs at least one partition, with lots of space for
the backups. And the other partition for the OS.
Whether you put everything in one partition, is up to you.
I like to make a separate "Data" partition, as then, if there
is corruption some day, I could reformat the "Data" partition
and copy the MRIMG files back onto it. Separating the function
of two partitions, allows you to have a maintenance strategy.
Nobody wants to be fixing OS partitions, as that would not
be easy at all. I don't know how to do that (yes, you can copy
files with Robocopy, but Robocopy even today, does not handle
Hardlinks in WinSXS properly - Robocopying a C: partition leaves
the OS without working CBS). CBS is Component Based Servicing.
If the OS partition is damaged, you just clone a copy from
a known-good drive to "repair" it. Taking the usual precautions
to protect email database and Bookmarks file.
Paul
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I can edit the 8500 down some still, but I don't know what you mean
by a test-write from end to end?
I assembled the hd as directed onto the sliding chassis by screwing
it down in (4) locations and the enclosure is screwed shut on the ends.
It's good it came with a base.
As far as partitioning I thought I would follow your directions you gave.
I've only cloned a few times and it's all still new to me. I don't want to
mess up this brand new 6TB hd by doing something wrong.
So how do I do a test-write from end to end?
Thanks,
Robert
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On 12/2/2021 2:27 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I put the 6TB hd in the Nexstar case.
Should I now proceed to cloning via Macrium?
Robert
Normally, it would be like this, but we can't do this!
+-------+--------------------------+-------------+----- - - -----+
| MBR | System Reserved (Active) | C: (System) | Other stuff | Clone +-------+--------------------------+-------------+----- - - -----+ |
| +-------+--------------------------+-----------------+ + |
| MBR | System Reserved (Active) | C: (System) | Unallocated | <-+ +-------+--------------------------+-----------------+ +
I completely forgot about the reason I kept steering you
away from >2TB drives :-/ Your machine isn't the same as mine, and
right now, I'm booted off big drives and it's all seamless. But
your XPS 8500, there are different model years, and I suspect
the BIOS capabilities are not the same on all these "8500" models.
This is one of the perils of reusing machine monikers, when stuff
changes on them.
Even if you had UEFI support in the 8500, it's a Dell BIOS and one
article I could find, it doesn't seem to mention UEFI+CSM, which
would be the desired (new) operating mode. The Dell PDF I looked at,
the choices were Legacy or UEFI, but not Legacy, UEFI, UEFI+CSM.
The forum at Dell, the content on 8500 I need is archived, and
clicking the link in Google, transfers me to lalaland.
*******
The 6TB drive continues to support its primary function. It is
to hold MRIMG files, a lot of them.
You can go to Disk Management right now, and set it up like this. In
fact, it was likely set up like this by Seagate already. The basic
form should be correct.
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------+
| GPT | D: Data 5.5TB | +-------+------------------------------------------------------------+
So that much, works for sure. Only WinXP could not support the 6TB
drive instantly, the way you would like it. Vista+ can do large drives
by using GPT partitioning. Windows 7 would have no problem supporting
that as a data drive. I have a 4TB right now, GPT, and Win7 is accessing
it.
*******
A GPT OS install, might look like this. It would require a UEFI BIOS
to boot, as the UEFI BIOS understands the structure of these drives.
The EFS contains details of early boot.
+-------+--------------+-----------------+ +
| GPT | EFS (Fat32) | C: (System) | Unallocated | +-------+--------------+-----------------+ +
It is possible to boot a 6TB drive on a legacy system. It looks like this.
This is a hack, and since Acronis wrote the Seagate tool for big disks,
the free Seagate tool can do this. I had a whale of a time getting
this to work. It took several days, because a certain other Acronis
product was blocking it from working, and it took me a while to find
the recipe to get it to work.
+-------+-----------------+-----------------+-----------------+
| MBR | 2TB portion | 2TB portion | 2TB portion | +-------+-----------------+-----------------+-----------------+
<-------- Acronis Boot Manager ----->
I used that mode on WinXP for a while. Acronis slices the disk
into pieces, and in Disk management, it looks like this. Acronis
makes the upper parts of the disk, appear in Disk Management as
their own disk drives. The V means the disks are virtual, and
it's a trick the Acronis uses, so legacy partitioning appears to be
used, but there is stuff going on behind the scenes at the driver level.
+-------+-----------------+
Disk2 | MBR | 2TB portion |
+-------+-----------------+
+-------+-----------------+
VDisk3 | MBR | 2TB portion |
+-------+-----------------+
+-------+-----------------+
VDisk5 | MBR | 2TB portion |
+-------+-----------------+
Then, you would have the boot materials put in Disk2.
+-------+----+------------+
Disk2 | MBR | SR | C: |
+-------+----+------------+
+-------+-----------------+
VDisk3 | MBR | 2TB portion | <=== Backups
+-------+-----------------+
+-------+-----------------+
VDisk5 | MBR | 2TB portion | <=== Backups
+-------+-----------------+
But naturally, as you move that drive around the house,
machines like the 780 might see it like this.
+-------+----+------------+
Disk2 | MBR | SR | C: |
+-------+----+------------+
VDisk3 These two won't show up
VDisk5 These two won't show up
In other words, there will be lots of "adventures"
and little fun. One of the reasons for me switching
away from the Acronis method, was "uniformity". Building
the Macrium Rescue CD, imagine the fun it will have, installing
the Acronis services to make the partitions visible.
*******
Sorry about that. I guess Emergency boot isn't likely
to work on the new kit. It'll be just for backups.
The 780 shouldn't have UEFI. It should be as old as my
Core2 system that died, and it was too old for UEFI.
The XPS 8500 could have UEFI or EFI, but it may lack
some of the convenience features that allow mixed
modes of usage (plug in 2TB or 6TB drive to SATA port,
and it boots OK from either).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
Windows: 32-bit versions
Windows 7 and earlier do not support UEFI on 32-bit platforms,
and therefore do not allow booting from GPT partitions.
Windows: 64-bit versions
Data? Boot?
Windows 7 2009-10-22 x64 Yes Requires UEFI[c]
For it to boot, requires a UEFI BIOS and booting is only
supported on 64 bit OS installations. Which you have.
But you may be missing the UEFI, and even if the UEFI was
present, Dell may not provide UEFI+CSM mixed mode that
will "boot anything". That's the mode I use on both machines here.
You can use the 6TB drive and enclosure, on either the 780 (via USB2
connector 35MB/sec) or on the 8500 (via USB3 connector). The 5.5TB
partition will be visible in both setups. Macrium will see the
space OK, as long as the WinPE version supports Win7 or the like.
And I think the WinPEs offered today, are pretty well all Win7 or better.
Paul
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So I need UEFI for GPT to run and that only boots on a 64bit system,
which as you say I have. Before I try to clone it how exactly do I do a test-write from end to end? Also when cloning, when exactly do I
connect the external 6TB drive? In the PE environment I had to wait
for it to load so that it wouldn't be metal to metal but here I'm metal to
metal so does it matter if I connect it before Macrium is loaded? I
want to make sure I do this right.
Then when cloning, I'll check the partitions and follow your instructions
to increase it. Is there anything else I should know or do during cloning?
I think I'll leave the 8500 as is
when we create the first mrimg.
Another problem I forgot to mention is that whenever I go into my Admin
Account and then logoff and return to the User Account all the pages have
to be re-sized. This continues for several days where I keep having to resize the pages when I logon.
https://postimg.cc/WqDB7rBg
Thanks,
Robert
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Interesting, I was not aware that the larger hd's
required different software to operate. I think I
understand now why you wanted me to move to
larger hd's but honestly 2TB seemed huge to me
at the time and still is quite sufficient if you look
at C: Properties most of the drive is free. The same
is true for the 780 only more so.
However I need to go to 6TB for the 8500 mrimgs
while the 2TB external hd for the 780 is good for the
present(once we removed Windows.old )and should
generate allot of mrimgs as well.
Robert
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On 12/2/2021 4:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
So I need UEFI for GPT to run and that only boots on a 64bit system,
which as you say I have. Before I try to clone it how exactly do I do a test-write from end to end? Also when cloning, when exactly do I
connect the external 6TB drive? In the PE environment I had to wait
for it to load so that it wouldn't be metal to metal but here I'm metal to
metal so does it matter if I connect it before Macrium is loaded? I
want to make sure I do this right.
Then when cloning, I'll check the partitions and follow your instructions
to increase it. Is there anything else I should know or do during cloning?
I think I'll leave the 8500 as is
when we create the first mrimg.
Another problem I forgot to mention is that whenever I go into my Admin Account and then logoff and return to the User Account all the pages have
to be re-sized. This continues for several days where I keep having to resize the pages when I logon.
https://postimg.cc/WqDB7rBg
Thanks,
Robert
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/reset-microsoft-paint
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Paint\View
BMPHeight 0
BMPWidth 0
WindowPlacement binary but numbers make no sense
Do you have anything other than MSPAINT which is resized ?
That article claims to know where the information is
stored, but resetting it hardly helps us figure out
why it is changing or is changed. You can look in regedit,
and between account runs, see if it is changing at the
registry level.
I don't particularly see a mechanism, whereby the contents of the
registry would be changed for no reason. Windows may have a means of
sanitizing registry descriptions that would have appeared off-screen.
That could happen if you were running two monitors for a while, but
that's about the only thing that comes to mind for positioning errors
of that sort.
*******
For the disk check, it's probably best to remove the drive from the
enclosure and cable up inside the machine. This makes it
easier to use HDTune and *only* check the Health tab. A 6TB drive
is too large to properly bench in HDTune Free. Only HDTune Pro
(payware) would do a decent job.
You need to verify the PowerOnHours (Health tab) and make sure the drive
is only a few hours old. The drive may have been from the
NoFaultFound pile at Seagate, as a ST6000DM001 is an eight
year old drive or so. Seagate can reset the SMART on the
drives. The drives may have been sold in a lot, to EOLTech
(your Newegg page).
This is the drive size.
https://www.mail-archive.com/smartmontools-database%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg01306.html
6,001,175,126,016 Total bytes
What we need, is procedures that will not make the XPS8500
into a slug while your tests run. If you do ordinary file transfers,
the XPS8500 could be reduced to a slug while the transfers
happen. This is due to the file caching in Windows 7.
It even seems to happen if I use dd, and the dd doesn't have
a sync option (to avoid caching).
Instead, you can try freshening the drive, by a write-from-end-to-end
followed by a read-from-end-to-end.
1) Writing the ST6000DM001 from end to end.
Microsoft knows how to write code, and this doesn't
drag down the machine for the nine hours it takes
to complete. Big drives == big write times.
Open Command Prompt as Administrator
diskpart # This is part of Microsoft Windows.
list disk
select disk 2
list partition # Verify the new drive has the one partition you expect
# Since the following command erases the drive, no
# files should be onboard
clean all # This will do 6,001,175,126,016 bytes of writes. At 180MB/sec avg
... 9 hours later
exit
If you open Task Manager, you might see the write progress of
the command under "I/O Write Bytes". Use
View : Select Columns in Task Manager
Seventh from the bottom is "I/O Write Bytes". Tick it.
You can sort Task Manager by I/O Write Bytes and the diskpart
will float to the top. Checking to see if it is 6TB yet,
can then be done just by checking Task Manager. I do a lot
of I/O checking this way (figure out when job will be complete).
But good old Windows, also hides some I/O operations, so this
method doesn't work for everything. Perhaps some USB I/O can't
be tracked.
As the Clean command runs, the Task Manager will eventually show that
6TB of writes were done to the new SATA disk drive.
To read-verify the new disk drive, you will need a copy of HxD.
https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/
You can use the English Portable version from the second
section of the downloads page.
https://mh-nexus.de/en/downloads.php?product=HxD20
The portable version, whatever directory it is setting in,
it creates a "Settings" folder, which is moderately annoying.
The older version of hxd, had these files in the working directory
hxd.exe
hxd.ini <=== remembers window position etc
The newer version does stuff like this.
hxd.exe
Settings\ <=== folder
Anyway, here is a demo, of using Hxd as Administrator
and having it read the entire 6TB drive over a period of
nine hours. Checksum64, simply adds the bytes on the drive.
Since all the drive bytes were zeroed by "Clean All", we
know the sum of a bunch of zeros is zero.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/3JmppK5J/Hx-D-checksum.gif
How do we know the equipment is failing ? If a drive
operation times out, the two methods above will throw
an error and there should be a visible symptoms to see
in such a case.
*******
Once testing is complete, use Disk Management, set
the new drive type to GPT (when it asks for a partitioning
mode). Then, define one new partition, which will be
5.5TB and that will be your new "BACK2021" partition.
Paul
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I don't want to be resetting anything at this point.
Yes, all the screens have to be resized FF, Word, Paint,
Dell Imaging. Usually once I resize FF it stays, but the
others I have to keep resizing. btw this only happens on
the 8500. The 780 seems to be fine.
You want me to put the 6TB hd inside the 8500 with the
2TB hd? Then run HDTune and click the Health tab only.
This test of writing/reading from end to end is pretty involved!
This is allot to do and I see I can easily screw things up before
I even clone it. I need to re-read this allot!
I know it may seem silly to ask but are we cloning the 6TB
hd using the cd? or metal to metal?
Totally confused,
Robert
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I can follow it where you want me to put the 6TB hd in
the 8500 and run HDtune and select the Health tab only.
but when you want me to go into the Command Prompt
as Administrator and the command that may erase the drive
is scary and I don't want to screw things up on the 8500.
and I have to download HxD just to do this and I'm not
sure what I'm doing? This is very long and involved.
Robert
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I re-read it again and I don't like the idea of messing around
with the 8500 turning it into a slug. It sounds like something
can easily go wrong especially knowing by history.
Then we'd have a real problem.
Robert
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I just thought, how can I run HDTune on the 6TB hd with no OS?
Robert
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I tried to install the 6TB hd in the 8500 to run HDTune - Health
at least. but it only has (1) blue cable.
https://postimg.cc/sQ8YCNmL
Should I try and use the orange cable from the CD player?
Robert
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I went into the Admin Account and checked Disk Management:
https://postimg.cc/LJ2HXm8M
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On 12/3/2021 10:57 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went into the Admin Account and checked Disk Management:
https://postimg.cc/LJ2HXm8M
Robert
OK, now that's interesting.
It appears to be showing as an MBR partitioned disk.
This means the MBR is populated, but no partitions
are declared yet.
I was explaining to you earlier, of the difficulty for
modern users, to use disks over 2TB.
Notice how the disk "shows you the 2TB that are easy
to use, but not the 4TB that is a tiny bit harder to use".
This is also why our favorite cloning technique
will NOT WORK. I neglected to think of this, before
you bought the 6TB drive, so I could warn you ahead
of time.
This does not affect the ability to use the drive.
The drive will work as a DATA drive just fine.
As a data drive, all 6TB will appear just fine.
The "four segments that are full" come from your card
reader.
*******
Your next step, is to use Disk Management to switch to GPT.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/pX3MYnSb/Can-Switch-New-Drive-To-GPT.gif
After that is done, you can right-click the unallocated 6TB
and create your 6TB partition for the Backups to be stored.
Pick a descriptive name for the partition, so you will
recognize it later. BACK2021 or whatever.
Your drive at this moment, is perfectly suited to storing
MRIMG files.
If you want, you can plug in both enclosures,
and transfer a MRIMG file from one enclosure to the other.
Or, with the 6TB currently sitting inside the machine,
you can plug in the external and transfer a file across.
After the transfer is complete, an example of "testing"
the new drive, would be to run a Macrium "Verify" on the
MRIMG newly placed on the new 6TB drive. This will verify
the checksum of the file, proving it was transferred
correctly.
As for the HDTune step, HDTune will run from a 32 bit
Macrium CD. I presume SMART works to populate the health tab.
Note that, while the drive is plugged into the SATA port
inside your machine, at this moment SMART should work
for sure, so the Health tab should be working. You can
take a picture of the drive health now, while the
drive is brand new.
Once the drive is back inside the enclosure, the Health
tab likely won't work. The web tells me, that if a UASP
driver was used for the USB controller, that SMART passthru
would be possible, but that hasn't worked for me yet.
There might be some details of the enclosure itself,
necessary for such things to work.
Paul
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Help!!!!! My side bar has disappeared and I can't get it back!
I tried pressing F10 and the Alt key and nothing happened.
Please help me to get the side bar back.
Thanks,
Robert
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Before I do anything, I need to have my sidebar with bookmarks
back. Please give me instructions on how to get it back.
Until then, I'm dead in the water here.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sat Dec 4 01:19:15 2021
On 12/4/2021 12:40 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Help!!!!! My side bar has disappeared and I can't get it back!
I tried pressing F10 and the Alt key and nothing happened.
Please help me to get the side bar back.
Thanks,
Robert
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MTh7qQmw/Firefox-Sidebar.gif
Paul
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That's what I was looking for but I don't have that feature
but I solved it by doing a CTRL-B and it toggled it back. So
all is good again.
I'll re-read what you said about the 6TB etc.
Robert
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I went into Disk Management and tried to change it to GPT
https://postimg.cc/7b11mB19
I must be doing something wrong but this is all I get.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sat Dec 4 02:38:19 2021
On 12/4/2021 2:28 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went into Disk Management and tried to change it to GPT
https://postimg.cc/7b11mB19
I must be doing something wrong but this is all I get.
Robert
You have to click the block that says "Disk 1"
and the right-click Context Menu there will
offer the option.
"GPT" is a disk-wide property, not a partition property,
so is on the left.
Paul
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You lost me after right clicking the allocated 6TB Hd
can I put '8500 Mrimgs'? Or do I have to give it a letter
like R:8500 Mrimgs ?
I don't understand what you mean when you say 'Or, with
the 6TB currently sitting inside the machine, you can plug
in the external and transfer a file across' Across to where?
I thought after we had the 6TB hd setup then I would return
it to the external hd case we bought for it as I would need
the orange cable for the cd to run the PE environment for
creating mrimg backups.
As for testing I don't believe I have a 32 bit cd for the 8500.
Only 64 bit. I ran out of CD-RW's and am waiting for them and
will create more cd's when they arrive. I do have an older Rescue
cd I found for the 8500 dated 2014 so it may be a 32 bit (if it works)
As far as using the HD-Tune to take a look at the Health tab
for the 6TB hd now how do I direct HD-Tune to look at the drive?
To open HD-Tune I go to Programs. How do I do it on the 6TB
with no OS?
Thanks,
Robert
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On 12/4/2021 3:45 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
You lost me after right clicking the allocated 6TB Hd
can I put '8500 Mrimgs'? Or do I have to give it a letter
like R:8500 Mrimgs ?
I don't understand what you mean when you say 'Or, with
the 6TB currently sitting inside the machine, you can plug
in the external and transfer a file across' Across to where?
I thought after we had the 6TB hd setup then I would return
it to the external hd case we bought for it as I would need
the orange cable for the cd to run the PE environment for
creating mrimg backups.
As for testing I don't believe I have a 32 bit cd for the 8500.
Only 64 bit. I ran out of CD-RW's and am waiting for them and
will create more cd's when they arrive. I do have an older Rescue
cd I found for the 8500 dated 2014 so it may be a 32 bit (if it works)
As far as using the HD-Tune to take a look at the Health tab
for the 6TB hd now how do I direct HD-Tune to look at the drive?
To open HD-Tune I go to Programs. How do I do it on the 6TB
with no OS?
Thanks,
Robert
Before putting the 6TB drive into the USB enclosure,
take a look at it with HDTune. Consult the Health Tab.
And take a screen shot. That's just to check the initial
values for the new disk.
*******
You can put the new drive in the enclosure any time.
But since Disk Management is open at the moment, you
can right click in the unallocated (6TB) region and
define a partition, give it a Name and a Letter.
You can then move the drive to the enclosure and
start using it for 8500 Backups.
*******
The drive can be tested at any time, by copying
files to it.
You can check the files, by comparing them to
the original file copied. But, that takes an
effort.
If you open an MRIMG with Macrium, one of the
functions is Verify.
You can Verify an original MRIMG and determine
it is still in a state worthy of restoral.
But the MRIMG file copied to the new 6TB drive,
you can open that as well and run Verify.
Both the original MRIMG file (where ever you
get it from) and a copy made of an MRIMG file,
both should pass a Verification test.
You can use this observation, as a test mechanism
if you want. That the copied file is just as
good as the original.
(The test mechanism I described in an earlier post,
checks the entire surface. But would take around
18 hours total, to do.)
*******
You don't have to do anything, if you don't want to.
You can just start using the 6TB drive for backups.
It's up to you to decide how much testing of the
surface of the drive is required.
I've had certain models of Seagate drives before,
where the "end" of the disk behaved a bit slow
and flaky (transfer rate wasn't constant). I found,
that by writing the drive and filling it with
files, that the flaky behavior stopped. I don't
know exactly what this fixes, writing files on
the disk. But at least I could tell afterwards,
that the drive was working properly.
My only reason for making suggestions like this,
is if there is a period during which you can
return the product, you've had an opportunity to
determine it is worth keeping. If you're not too worried
about that, then just carry on. When I buy drives,
I buy them locally, and specifically, so I can
just drive down and return it within 30 days,
for a refund. One of the SSDs I bought, a Corsair,
I returned that when the performance was 1/4 of
the advertised value. It was a lot easier to do
at my computer store, than it ever would have been
if ordered over the Internet. I don't think I have
had any hard drives, that needed to be returned
in the 30 day window.
Paul
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I went back to disk management to define the partition and
give it a letter and a name and right clicked the unallocated
portion but am I suppose to click New Simple Volume or what?
I've never named a partition before.
https://postimg.cc/8JC76xNM
I appreciate your concerns about the drives and all but if
you only knew how much I have on my plate right now I just
can't handle another thing. I'm doing my best to get this 6TB
up and running and trying to keep it all together if you know
what I mean.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sat Dec 4 23:47:57 2021
On 12/4/2021 9:23 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back to disk management to define the partition and
give it a letter and a name and right clicked the unallocated
portion but am I suppose to click New Simple Volume or what?
I've never named a partition before.
https://postimg.cc/8JC76xNM
I appreciate your concerns about the drives and all but if
you only knew how much I have on my plate right now I just
can't handle another thing. I'm doing my best to get this 6TB
up and running and trying to keep it all together if you know
what I mean.
Thanks,
Robert
No problem.
The SMART look clear. No obvious issues.
The temperatures are a bit warm, but knowing the Dells
and their one-fan design (the CPU fan moves all the air),
it would be normal for the drive temperature to be
a bit warmer than otherwise.
The USB enclosure should have better temperatures, as they
have fans and fresh air.
Cooling is only an issue at 60C or so, and the temps
were well clear of that.
Sometimes a drive gets warm, because it is having
a surface failure. I have a broken drive here right now,
which is maybe 5C warmer than it usually is. I'll be
trying to use ddrescue on it in a few minutes :-)
I can't clone the thing with Macrium, because it
keeps throwing an error 9 (CRC error).
Carry on :-)
Paul
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Sorry the link didn't open as planned, here you go.
https://postimg.cc/LhMwBPWC
As I said I'm unsure of size of volume to enter or
except the default ? Also should I format now or not ?
and if so should I accept the default setting? If not I
need instructions to format
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Sun Dec 5 05:11:53 2021
On 12/5/2021 12:24 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Sorry the link didn't open as planned, here you go.
https://postimg.cc/LhMwBPWC
As I said I'm unsure of size of volume to enter or
except the default ? Also should I format now or not ?
and if so should I accept the default setting? If not I
need instructions to format
Thanks,
Robert
The defaults will be fine.
Once the drive is managed as a GPT partitioned disk,
you can use Create Simple Volume and use the default
values and the default values should use the entire disk
drive. If you for some reason, didn't want to use the
whole drive, you would dial in some smaller numbers.
But the dialogs should be set for the whole disk if
you don't modify a thing.
You should see
Do not format this volume <=== makes a volume with no file system
Not a useful choice for you at the moment == RAW
Format the volume
File system NTFS
Allocation unit Default <=== 4K is the default, general purpose
Volume label BACK8500 <=== Labeling allows easy ID later in Macrium
Perform a quick format <=== Important!!! Yes. Want this. Takes only 10 seconds approx.
If you do not quick format, will take *9 hours*
Enable file/folder compression <=== No, let Macrium do compression, not NTFS.
NTFS is slow and inefficient on compression.
Don't want this.
And that should be it.
Clear sailing,
Paul
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I just realized something else. Say I change the partition to I:
Then I move the 6TB hd back to the external case and we create the
first mrimg. Is the destination just I: and nothing else? since we can't
create a 8500 mrimg folder because there's no OS.
So do I just dump them in I: with descriptions, dating and numbered
of course. So that's all the drive will contain - mrimgs, correct?
Robert
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what about changing the partition name, can I proceed?
Robert
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If I leave it as D: won't that mess up the CD when I reconnect the cable?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Dec 6 03:30:05 2021
On 12/5/2021 8:21 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I think I screwed up by giving it the letter D: because I just realized that's
what the CD uses. I went back to change the drive letter but stopped.
https://postimg.cc/5XPkhbvj
https://postimg.cc/gLPMVJ9t
https://postimg.cc/SJkTjJfJ
Should I proceed?
Robert
No program at this time, particularly cares about the drive letter :-)
You can re-program the drive letter now if you wish. No problem.
When the drive is put back in the enclosure, it is likely to be
assigned a new drive letter anyway. The software is too dumb, to guess
it's the same drive. I don't think any attempt is made to burrow down
and get the serial number. The drive is partially PNP via the
controller ("ASM 2115") rather than Seagate ST6000DM001 kind of thing.
If you made the drive letter "R" right now, when you connect the
USB enclosure the drive might end up as "I" instead.
The situation is quite fluid and nothing to worry about.
When you define a backup in Macrium, you figure out the drive letter
at that time. For example, if the Macrium CD is loaded, you
can use PEExplorer from the lower left Macrium icons, and
review what hardware has been detected there.
As long as the partition has a name, such as "8500BACK"
or "BACK2021" or similar, that will be a clever hint you're
not on "WIN7PRO" partition. Not trying to stuff the backup
into some OS partition. Using even moderately descriptive
titles helps a bit.
On my OS partitions, I like to place an empty text file.
IMWINXP.txt
I am Windows XP. If I'm in Command Prompt, I cd to R:
R:
dir
if I see "IMWINXP.txt" in the returned file list, then
I would go "hmmm, that's my Windows XP C: partition".
In Command Prompt, sometimes you're not sure what
the label is, and using such a marker file, can offer
a second labeling. You can include any details you want
This-drive-holds-XPS8500-backups-2021.txt
Of course, you keep the filenames short. That's just
to show the idea.
There may be environments I'm working in (Linux) where
the label is effectively lost, and that's why that file
is present at root level, so I do not have to go to
extraordinary lengths to get the info. Sometimes the
mount table uses a GUID for example.
You don't need to do that. That's a trick that helps
in multi-platform situations.
Paul
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OK, so the partition name doesn't matter and we use
Macrium to designate the partition letter, correct? So I can
remove the 6TB hd from the computer and re-attach the
cd cable.
However you lost me as far as naming the partition. It didn't
allow for that. Only the selection of the letter.
As far as secondary labeling In don't want to get too
involved I just want this to work.
Robert
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On 12/5/2021 10:29 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just realized something else. Say I change the partition to I:
Then I move the 6TB hd back to the external case and we create the
first mrimg. Is the destination just I: and nothing else? since we can't create a 8500 mrimg folder because there's no OS.
So do I just dump them in I: with descriptions, dating and numbered
of course. So that's all the drive will contain - mrimgs, correct?
Robert
Nothing prevents you, right now, from right clicking in the partition
(while in File Explorer and the drive letters) and doing "New Folder"
or similar.
*******
From Command Prompt, as your regular account, you can do
md /? # help with MakeDir command
md "I:\8500 Backups" # I detest sticking spaces in names like this.
md I:\8500-Backups # Some commands need quoting, when names have spaces
*******
But, certainly, doing it from File Explorer is easier.
That's just to illustrate, if you were on the Macrium CD and
all you had was the black Command Prompt icon and window,
you could still create a directory, list a directory,
and so on. The tools are there.
Paul
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I understand now, just right click and create a folder, correct?
but as I said, right now were not able to connect the external hd.
Robert
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I removed the 6TG hd from the 8500 and put it in the external case.
I then tried to test it in the PE environment to see if the computer
would recognize it and give it another letter and I was going to try
and do a mrimg though I don't know what destination I would give
it other than just the partition letter.
Well, when I connected the power cable to the external hd and turned
it on the fan didn't move at all. It has a fan speed adjustment thumbnail
wheel where I moved it all the way and I could hear it click either on or
off I don't know but the fan never moved. So unless I'm doing something
wrong this case is useless and we have to find another, better case.
I doubt Newegg would refund my $$ on just my say so and I would have
to return the item and is a big hassle for me at this time.
I can't use one of my Startech cases for this? I would like one with lights
to let you know when its on/off.
https://www.newegg.com/startech-sat3510bu3-others/p/N82E16817707227
the Nexstar has no lights at all.
Thoughts suggestions?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Mon Dec 6 17:39:00 2021
On 12/6/2021 4:41 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I removed the 6TG hd from the 8500 and put it in the external case.
I then tried to test it in the PE environment to see if the computer
would recognize it and give it another letter and I was going to try
and do a mrimg though I don't know what destination I would give
it other than just the partition letter.
Well, when I connected the power cable to the external hd and turned
it on the fan didn't move at all. It has a fan speed adjustment thumbnail wheel where I moved it all the way and I could hear it click either on or
off I don't know but the fan never moved. So unless I'm doing something
wrong this case is useless and we have to find another, better case.
I doubt Newegg would refund my $$ on just my say so and I would have
to return the item and is a big hassle for me at this time.
I can't use one of my Startech cases for this? I would like one with lights to let you know when its on/off.
https://www.newegg.com/startech-sat3510bu3-others/p/N82E16817707227
the Nexstar has no lights at all.
Thoughts suggestions?
Robert
https://vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/NST-387S3-BK-QIG.pdf
The instructions say there is a "fan speed dial" next to
the casing power switch. Like a transistor radio knob,
sometimes the dial rotates to an "OFF" position to remove
power, and when moved in the other direction is "ON"
at a variable value.
OFF--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 Rotary knob with detent for OFF
The manual is not too clear about how the fan works.
Whether the fan is just a function of knob rotary setting.
Or whether there is a thermistor to measure drive temperature.
Give it another try.
*******
The activity and power LED are on the front facet.
Sometimes, LEDs like that, do not light up until
the drive is plugged into a working USB port.
Once some protocol is exchanged, the LED may come on.
I've had some devices here, which are a kind of Chinese joke.
They place a blue LED. Then they drill an extremely tiny hole,
for the light to escape. I've gone six months, before discovering
"there is a LED!". I hope it's not one of those jokes.
But, we'll see, once you "exercise" your new purchase.
Don't forget, that the enclosure has an ON/OFF switch as well.
It must be ON, plus the USB cable plugged to a running
computer, before the controller will initialize inside the
enclosure. I have one like that here, the blue LED lights up
once the protocol whizzes past. The drive won't even spin up,
until the USB port is proven to work.
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I tried again and it was dead as a door nail.
I found the indicator but it didn't light up at
all and the fan didn't move.
I tried moving the fan adjustment one way and
the other and could feel it click at the end. Again
I don't know whether this was on or off but I put
it in the middle and nothing and the indicator stayed
dark.
Are you saying that I have to plug it in before it will
function? OK, I will try that and see what happens.
Robert
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That did it!
I created a folder in the partition and have started
an mrimg. It says 2 hours 32 mins remaining but
wanted to let you know now it worked.
Many thanks,
Robert
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Once started I remember the fan and turned it on and it worked
I now have a little over an hour left on it.
In passing, the drive is very quiet so its as I thought and is much
more secure in the external case with (4) screws holding it down.
I found the blue LED, rather small but its there and flashing.
I'll show you the pics after it finishes.
So far it looks pretty good. I had to change the destination of course
and the partition turned out to be J:
Robert
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I went back in to see if I missed something, I had selected
create backups but where the 8500 shows a create a backup
tab the 780 shows Local Disks. It doesn't match your instructions.
https://postimg.cc/Ffx7Hhr2
https://postimg.cc/p5mTC8fH
https://postimg.cc/WdL3mdtB
I went back into the partition to check the mrimg and sure enough
it wasn't right.
https://postimg.cc/tnQfvGP4
Should I have selected Backup between View and Restore on the top
menu bar? I checked and it has a pull down menu of either Image
select disks or backup files. I didn't know if this is what I'm suppose to
do or which to pick.
https://postimg.cc/ZCJsWcx2
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On 12/7/2021 1:46 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back in to see if I missed something, I had selected
create backups but where the 8500 shows a create a backup
tab the 780 shows Local Disks. It doesn't match your instructions.
https://postimg.cc/Ffx7Hhr2
https://postimg.cc/p5mTC8fH
https://postimg.cc/WdL3mdtB
I went back into the partition to check the mrimg and sure enough
it wasn't right.
https://postimg.cc/tnQfvGP4
Should I have selected Backup between View and Restore on the top
menu bar? I checked and it has a pull down menu of either Image
select disks or backup files. I didn't know if this is what I'm suppose to
do or which to pick.
https://postimg.cc/ZCJsWcx2
Robert
"Browsing for an Image file" is a restore function.
Whereas making a backup, makes a new file and you won't
be browsing for that.
https://i.postimg.cc/wxnW1F6S/macrium-file-naming.gif
You want to select "Create Backup" just below the word "File",
as your first step when trying to make a backup.
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Robert in CA on Tue Dec 7 05:57:41 2021
On 12/7/2021 12:49 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the 780, you can see the layout if different but ran it anyway
and it's ended but hasn't given a completed pop-up.
https://postimg.cc/zyyTPbk0 780 PEExplorer 2TB external
https://postimg.cc/Fd4cRPXB 3 MRIMGs stored in External C: partition AKA E:
https://postimg.cc/7bX7HMsK Create Backups of Internal C: AKA C: from X: MacCD
https://postimg.cc/67s4jHqp Running... Going into E: with long name
https://postimg.cc/qtXqm4W1 73MB/sec? Corrected value at end.
https://postimg.cc/2L358vyt Write 30MB/sec correct, 20:42min 37.26 by calc, 31.69GB actual
Compressed from 45.83GB original source.
So this mrimg doesn't look good to me and I don't know
why it didn't have a backup tab like the 8500 had.
I'm going to end the mrimg session on the 780 because
its just sitting there. This was the first PE environment
mrimg on the 780 why that should make a difference I
don't know but it seems to.
What do you think?
Robert
AAADF6E8D622529A-Win 7 Pro (mring 12-6-21) - first PE environment backup - #1-00-00.mrimg
I tried removing the ImageID here, but the dialog doesn't allow editing like that.
Neither does it appreciate moving the ImageID down to the end of the filename.
{ImageID}-UserSpecifiedName-00-00.mrimg
I guess this is one of those "improvements" software people talk about.
If I was designing this, the end of the filename already has a ton of guff.
Why not move the ImageID down into the Guff section ?
*******
OK, have a look in your Advanced Options. There's a setting to remove the ImageID.
Somebody deserves a smack, for not just placing this in the edit menu with
all the wacky other {Environment} strings. This implies they entertained the idea that the files could exist without that fluff on the front of the name.
https://i.postimg.cc/dQN1kSZq/Macrium-prefix-filename-option-in-Advanced-Options.gif
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On 12/6/2021 9:12 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
That did it!
I created a folder in the partition and have started
an mrimg. It says 2 hours 32 mins remaining but
wanted to let you know now it worked.
Many thanks,
Robert
OK, so it's like my enclosure (a different model)
and needs to sniff USB packets before it wakes up.
My enclosure has no fan, and I just pulled the circuit
board out of the enclosure to make a "portable" enclosure.
The disk drive sits out in room air (not the best but
the best I can do without turning the damn thing into
a "project").
Part of the reason they do this, is as part of the
"sleep when not being used function". This particular
enclosure, is supposed to spin down the disk if the
disk is idle for too long. I'm undecided whether I
like features like that or not. Usually when companies
get too adventurous, they do something dumb and
then people hate their implementation.
But only watching the enclosure over time, will
reveal the firmware nuances.
I hope you will eventually get better speed from
the enclosure. Make sure it's plugged into a USB port
with a blue tab, if you have one.
Blue is the color of the first USB3 standard.
Red is double the speed and comes later.
Gen2x2 doubles the speed again (but I don't have one of those).
The Gen2x2 is a bit flaky, as a lot of people report it
is running at the same speed as the Red one. So I suppose
by me not having one, it's saving my blood pressure from
agitation :-)
Paul
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Robert in CA on Tue Dec 7 06:17:34 2021
On 12/7/2021 12:11 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the pics:
https://postimg.cc/R608j06G Blue light from Nexstar Enclosure
https://postimg.cc/Mn8Lz5fn Computer with card reader, in PEEXplorer view
https://postimg.cc/vgjPktdH J:\8500 Mrimgs
https://postimg.cc/QKT63KXg Backing up XPS8500 C: with 250GB files
https://postimg.cc/HVtw79Pc 43.5MB/sec ?
https://postimg.cc/yWcX7HmT Completion 2:33:38, 243219MB/9218 sec = 26.4MB/sec approx
https://postimg.cc/hQBmXXL1 243219MB
I went to start an mrimg on the 780 but it didn't
look the same. I started it anyway and it seems to
be running OK but I don't know? I'll send you the pics
when I can get the flash card to work. They are very
iffy and I have to restart to safely remove them then
try again. Sometimes I have to restart 3 times before
they work. It makes it very frustrating.
Robert
Your AV could be scanning the SD card when inserted in your Card Reader.
That's just a guess, as I don't understand what else it could be.
Did you plug the new enclosure into the blue USB3 port
on the 8500 ?
You didn't mention the fan. Is the fan running now to
your satisfaction ?
You may have enabled Compression in the Macrium interface
when making the backup, which could slow it down a bit, but
at a guess, it should be able to go faster than 26.4 .
The 780, a lower end machine, was doing pretty good for
itself, by comparison.
The Nexstar manual mentions it attempts to sleep the hard
drive, when the enclosure is idle, and when Macrium is in
the middle of a backup, that should not be happening. It should
be writing continuously, pretty well, as the backup is in
cluster order as a rule.
You will be able to correct the filenaming issue, by
using the Advanced options or Defaults or so. There
is a tick box to stop putting the {ImageID} into the
name. Since older versions of Macrium don't use an
ImageID, the tool apparently survives quite nicely
without it.
Paul
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I did select Backup>Create a Backup for the 8500 but
as the pictures show it did not work on the 780. I was
just browsing to make sure of the partition letter and
also the contents for my own reassurance.
I'm not sure if I understand the problem about naming
mrimgs in the link. I never had issues with naming mrimgs
before and they have always appeared as I wrote them.
Plus your using Macrium 8 and I have stayed at Macrium 7
because I thought you wanted me to? all the Mrimgs and
cd's (3.1) and Macrium are based on Version 7.
Robert
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Yes, I plugged the Nexstar into USB3 port on the 8500 that's
about all it has. I did mention I turned the fan on in the post
before the picture. It's very quite and I turned the speed a little
pass halfway but not full on. Should I crank it all the way? At
any rate it will turn on when I plug it in again or should I turn it
off each time?
As far as I could tell the LED was flashing all the time although
there may of been idle moments. I took a break while it was
downloading.
I honestly don't remember enabling anything. Maybe it came as
part of the default package? I checked the picture of the 780 mrimgs
and none have the {ImagineID} on them. Why do you think
there's a filename issue on the 8500? If there is I will need instructions
to remove it. where are Advanced options? Where is the tick box?
Thanks,
Robert
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Why is the 780 different then the 8500 in creating backups?
With the 8500 I press Backup>Create a Backup but with the
780 I press Backup>Local What happened to the Create a Backup
tab?
I'm using a 3.1 V& cd and should work the only thing that is different
is that this is the first PE backup for the 780. It had done many metal
to metal backups with no issues whatsoever.
Is it possible when cleaning it we deleted something that makes going
into PE environment different?
So how do I make a mrimg for the 780? This isn't a filename issue it's a
PE environment issue where Create a Backup is missing.
Robert
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This mrimg did not run right or complete, I ended it because
it didn't have Create a Backup tab instead it said Local. I let it
run anyway but it never had a 'Image completed successfully'.
Robert
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Why do you think
there's a filename issue on the 8500? If there is I will need instructions
to remove it. where are Advanced options? Where is the tick box?
I meant the 780 of course.
Robert
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Part of the reason they do this, is as part of the
"sleep when not being used function". This particular
enclosure, is supposed to spin down the disk if the
disk is idle for too long. I'm undecided whether I
like features like that or not. Usually when companies
get too adventurous, they do something dumb and
then people hate their implementation.
I know exactly what you mean, I just spent $207.00 to have
the check light in my car turned off. The guy I take it to for
years now explained it all to a tune of $1200 to clean it out
(gulp!) etc. He said, just to ignore it and bring the car back if
it starts running rough. This is the 3rd or 4th time I've taken
the car in this year for the same thing. I hate idiot lights, they
tell you nothing.
Otherwise the car drives like a dream.
Robert
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In passing, did you have any further thoughts on why I have
to re-size my pages after going into the Admin Account on
the 8500? I have to do FF, Word, Paint, Dell Imaging but as I
said, usually, when I do FF once it stays adjusted but not the
others.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Dec 8 01:24:37 2021
On 12/7/2021 5:48 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Yes, I plugged the Nexstar into USB3 port on the 8500 that's
about all it has. I did mention I turned the fan on in the post
before the picture. It's very quite and I turned the speed a little
pass halfway but not full on. Should I crank it all the way? At
any rate it will turn on when I plug it in again or should I turn it
off each time?
As far as I could tell the LED was flashing all the time although
there may of been idle moments. I took a break while it was
downloading.
I honestly don't remember enabling anything. Maybe it came as
part of the default package? I checked the picture of the 780 mrimgs
and none have the {ImagineID} on them. Why do you think
there's a filename issue on the 8500? If there is I will need instructions
to remove it. where are Advanced options? Where is the tick box?
Thanks,
Robert
It is Macrium8, whether OS version or CD version, which
attempts to fit the {ImageID} value. And there is a
preference to turn it off, in Advanced Options.
That will make it go away.
The other machine may not have been running Macrium8
at the time. It's possible Macrium 7 doesn't have all the
{Date} type environment variables, like Macrium 8.
As for the fan speed, that's a judgment call. I can't
guess what the air volume or the LFM over the surface
of the drive are, from here. All I can tell you, is
it is undesirable for the air speed to be zero. We could be
scientists about this, if SMART would register while using
the enclosure, but I'm not able to get that working here.
(SMART has the temperature field, which provides feedback.
The temperature field would be populated, while drive in 8500.)
There is a claim a UASP driver can do SMART passthru,
but maybe I just don't have the hardware for that. If I could
see a demo of that actually working (passthru), it would
encourage me a bit more.
*******
If my computer store would stock more peripherals so
they didn't have to be ordered in, I would have more
toys to play with. For example, I do want to pick up
a sample of something with an ASM1351 in it, but so far
it's just not a stock item.
It used to be, there were all sorts of large and small
enclosures I could pick up.
According to Startech site, the one I wanted has a
stocking level in all of Canada, of zero. Which is
not particularly encouraging. It's like since COVID
struck, computer retailing here has gone backwards
about twenty years, in terms of supply chain.
Paul
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On 12/7/2021 8:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
In passing, did you have any further thoughts on why I have
to re-size my pages after going into the Admin Account on
the 8500? I have to do FF, Word, Paint, Dell Imaging but as I
said, usually, when I do FF once it stays adjusted but not the
others.
Thanks,
Robert
This implies that in Windows 7, a global resolution setting
could be (somehow) applied to all applications. And I don't
know of any mechanism for that.
There are two magnification choices:
1) Display settings: change from 100% to 125%
That is a display scale change. That can adversely affect how
text fits into system dialog boxes, but can otherwise help if
your HiDPI screen is an "eye chart" and is too hard to read.
2) Scroll wheel change to individual application. Notepad
does not support that. LibreOffice Writer supports it
(zoom into a sheet while writing). And that scaling is
not changing the point size of the fonts. The fonts are
still 12 point (remain 12 point when printed on the inkjet),
but I can zoom into the doc and see it better, by using ctrl-scroll.
Even the desktop icons support ctrl-scroll, but DONT DO THAT.
You'll never get the icons back the way they were, unless
you have an "icon recorder" loaded and saved a snapshot
before experimenting.
So no, I don't have any solution in mind. I think my "real" admin
account is not enabled here, so I can't even test that exactly
at the moment. I'd have to make up a limited account for test
comparisons. Things like this should be stored in HKCU, a file
which is stored in a place like C:\users\rob - each account keeps
its own copy of HKCU (Current User), and it is because of that,
the resolution changes should not "ooze" out of one account into
another. Each account has its own registry file, kept in its homedir.
Paul
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On 12/7/2021 5:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I did select Backup>Create a Backup for the 8500 but
as the pictures show it did not work on the 780. I was
just browsing to make sure of the partition letter and
also the contents for my own reassurance.
I'm not sure if I understand the problem about naming
mrimgs in the link. I never had issues with naming mrimgs
before and they have always appeared as I wrote them.
Plus your using Macrium 8 and I have stayed at Macrium 7
because I thought you wanted me to? all the Mrimgs and
cd's (3.1) and Macrium are based on Version 7.
Robert
But it sounds like you have a mixture there.
You tested a Macrium 8 CD on the 780.
The C: drive on the 780 has Macrium 7 installed.
If you attempted to make a backup from Macrium running
from the C: drive, there is likely to be no attempt
to add {ImageID} to the output.
Booting the 780 with the Macrium 8 CD, would add
{imageID}, that is, if it can find any disk drives.
Have a careful think about what CDs you have,
what version of Macrium is on each one. You could try
booting the 780 with a different CD, one you've already
tested as a working one.
*******
I keep my CDs in jewel boxes, and the Macrium release
number is written on the jewel box. If I were to drop
all the jewel boxes on the floor, I'd never figure out
what anything is, because the CDs themselves have nothing
written on them. I have to put my media away after use,
so that the labeling doesn't get screwed up.
I used to write on the hub of some of my old CDs, but that's
just too hard to read. And that's why they're in jewel
boxes now. I pick up a box of 50 jewel boxes at the
computer store, for this purpose.
You can see here, that particular product I was buying, is
discontinued. So the next time I go to the computer store,
I suppose there won't be any. Drat!
https://www.dynexproducts.com/pdp/DX-CD50C/6621836
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On 12/7/2021 6:23 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Why is the 780 different then the 8500 in creating backups?
With the 8500 I press Backup>Create a Backup but with the
780 I press Backup>Local What happened to the Create a Backup
tab?
I'm using a 3.1 V& cd and should work the only thing that is different
is that this is the first PE backup for the 780. It had done many metal
to metal backups with no issues whatsoever.
Is it possible when cleaning it we deleted something that makes going
into PE environment different?
So how do I make a mrimg for the 780? This isn't a filename issue it's a
PE environment issue where Create a Backup is missing.
Robert
My first suspicion, is the Rescue CD booted, can't detect any
hard drives. Which seems hard to believe, as there should be
drivers in any of the provided WinPE.wim files for Compatible
and AHCI SATA drivers. I would expect at least *one* hard drive
would be detected, and that's your internal one.
https://i.postimg.cc/x1cM19Mn/Macrium-check-for-drives.gif
What I show in the picture there, is opening the black Command Prompt
icon while the RescueCD is booted, and issuing
wmic diskdrive
and it dumps the table of all drives it can see. The output is a jumbled
mess, because the table is really wide. There are ways to improve the
quality of the output.
But for a first pass, that's not the purpose of doing this. The purpose
is to see if *any* storage devices are showing. If there is no output,
and the OS is running off RAMDrive X: only, then Macrium may not have
any disk drives to display.
The root cause could be the selection of WinPE 3.1 to make the CD,
but I'm having trouble believing this is possible. But we have to
start somewhere, there is no Device Manager in the Macrium environment,
but (fortunately) wmic works, so we can get a basic dump from it.
You can redirect wmic.
wmic diskdrive > some.txt
notepad some.txt
and that should allow the output information to display a bit nicer.
You could also try to store the some.txt file on the C: drive. But
of course, in the Macrium PEexplorer, it's possible there are no
(usable) drive letters in there either. You could check in PEexplorer
and see what drive letters (besides X: and the DVD drive) are visible.
Paul
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Could you please tell me how to access
Advanced Options? I looked it up and
says:
All forms of backup in Macrium Reflect have
advanced options, accessed by clicking the
Advanced Options link, All backup wizards
have this link which can always be located in
the lower left hand corner of each wizard
Does this mean I have to be performing a mrimg
to access Advanced Options? I opened Macrium
but could not see any Advanced Options.
https://postimg.cc/Mvj2zMTd
The ASM1531 sounds interesting -
ASM1351 is the latest generation of ASMedia single
chip solution, bridging the USB3. ... 5/3.0/6.0 Gbps
ASMedia self-designed PHYs. Along with excellent
compatibility with USB3. 1 hosts and SATA devices,
ASM1351 uses advanced process technology to
optimize the chip power consumption
The supply chain here in the U.S. is crippling
and it's all politics along with COVID because it
wasn't like this under President Trump.
Robert
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It's not really a big deal, I don't usually go into the Admin Account
anyway unless were doing something otherwise I leave it alone.
The strange thing is that the 780 doesn't do this, only the 8500
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Dec 8 07:31:19 2021
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Robert in CA on Wed Dec 8 07:18:14 2021
On 12/8/2021 4:35 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
Could you please tell me how to access
Advanced Options? I looked it up and
says:
All forms of backup in Macrium Reflect have
advanced options, accessed by clicking the
Advanced Options link, All backup wizards
have this link which can always be located in
the lower left hand corner of each wizard
Does this mean I have to be performing a mrimg
to access Advanced Options? I opened Macrium
but could not see any Advanced Options.
https://postimg.cc/Mvj2zMTd
It appears you can't set this in Defaults, so
it can be preserved from one run to the next.
The Advanced Option only appears during the backup
you're doing. That means unticking it, each time.
And yes, I see now, that both the OS version and the
CD version of Macrium, are using the "Local Disks" thing.
As long as the disks appear, that's what counts :-)
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/jS3f3Z2v/Macrium-output-filename-prefix.gif
Paul
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I noticed that the 3 other mrimgs on the 780 are much larger
because they have the Windows.old file still on them probably
along with all the other junk we deleted while the new mrimg is
only 31.9 GB.
So once I create enough mrimgs I can delete the older ones and
gain back 360GB of space.
I guess the last thing to do is create new cd's for the 8500 and 780
but should we use Macrium or ISO ? which is better?
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Dec 8 09:04:01 2021
On 12/8/2021 7:23 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I noticed that the 3 other mrimgs on the 780 are much larger
because they have the Windows.old file still on them probably
along with all the other junk we deleted while the new mrimg is
only 31.9 GB.
So once I create enough mrimgs I can delete the older ones and
gain back 360GB of space.
I guess the last thing to do is create new cd's for the 8500 and 780
but should we use Macrium or ISO ? which is better?
Robert
If you want to go straight to CD, you can.
Just remember that your media is re-writeable, and can be erased
and used again, reducing wasted media. That's if the label says
they are RW.
I generally like to store my media as ISO, label it as well as
I can for future reference, and if I ever need to make an identical
CD for some reason, I have the ISO file and a copy of Imgburn.
But no question, going straight to CD is simpler.
It's a matter of "bookkeeping and archiving", as to which
method you might prefer to use.
For example, when I made pictures today of how Macrium 8 behaves,
I used my ISO file for that. It was sitting there, waiting to be used.
I didn't have to dig for any CDs. I keep a few ISOs with my collection
of Macrium installers. and that's how, if I need to recreate a scenario
in a VM, I have some materials to use for it. A Virtual Machine can
use an ISO file directly. So can Windows8/8.1/10/11. You don't need
media, to read the contents of an ISO on Windows 8. The ISO file is enough.
It kinda works like a ZIP.
If you need to *boot* a computer, that's when you need the CD.
There are other ways to boot computers, but using a CD/DVD is
pretty straight forward, especially when some program does all
the work to make it for you.
Paul
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Are you recommending I upgrade Macrium to V8
and create V8 cd's?
Robert
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As far as what to do now, I'm open to suggestions.
I noticed with my pics that the older cd changed Macrium back to V7
on the 780 I'll have to see if I have an older cd for the 8500 to change
it back also.
However if we create any new cd's it's going to be based on the V8 kernal
which means I would have to go into the advanced Options each and
every time.
I'd rather stay with V7 which is what I thought we was doing all along
except I used the new versions which reset the Macrium on both computers.
Yet V8 worked on the 8500 but not the 780?
Isn't there a way to copy my V7 cd's to the Patriot or make an ISO and
make copies directly from that? That way I won't have to deal with the
Advanced Options and I stay on V7.
In addition, that was a brand new cd I used to make that cd so it should have had
the Create a Backup but for some reason it didn't recognize the drive but the computer
did.
Regarding the CD-RW's ; even though I can technically re-use them I've
found that the second time around they aren't reliable. If I'm going to make Rescue CD's I want to do it on a clean unused cd.
As far as cd's and ISO's I'm much more comfortable using cd's and I never liked zip files. I never know how to open the damn things.
I guess what I need to do is to create a V7 (3.1) Rescue CD for the 8500
Robert
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Robert in CA on Wed Dec 8 19:09:26 2021
On 12/8/2021 5:31 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Are you recommending I upgrade Macrium to V8
and create V8 cd's?
Robert
For a person who makes "Full" backups all the time,
there is no difference between V7 and V8.
V8 has the added nuisance of filename-prefix problem.
The *only* time that version matters, is backing up
Windows 10 or Windows 11 C: drives. You need 6.3.1865
or later to do that. Thus, V7 is good for everything,
in terms of doing Full backups of C: drives. V7 is
perfect for the job.
You will keep seeing Upgrade Reminders, no matter
what version you run. There will be notifications
somewhere on the screen.
Paul
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On 12/8/2021 5:29 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
As far as what to do now, I'm open to suggestions.
I noticed with my pics that the older cd changed Macrium back to V7
on the 780 I'll have to see if I have an older cd for the 8500 to change
it back also.
However if we create any new cd's it's going to be based on the V8 kernal which means I would have to go into the advanced Options each and
every time.
I'd rather stay with V7 which is what I thought we was doing all along
except I used the new versions which reset the Macrium on both computers.
Yet V8 worked on the 8500 but not the 780?
Isn't there a way to copy my V7 cd's to the Patriot or make an ISO and
make copies directly from that? That way I won't have to deal with the Advanced Options and I stay on V7.
In addition, that was a brand new cd I used to make that cd so it should have had
the Create a Backup but for some reason it didn't recognize the drive but the computer
did.
Regarding the CD-RW's ; even though I can technically re-use them I've
found that the second time around they aren't reliable. If I'm going to make Rescue CD's I want to do it on a clean unused cd.
As far as cd's and ISO's I'm much more comfortable using cd's and I never liked
zip files. I never know how to open the damn things.
I guess what I need to do is to create a V7 (3.1) Rescue CD for the 8500
Robert
Now, I've never tried this, so this is only the sketch of a plan.
To convert a WinPE CD to a USB Patriot:
1) Use Imgburn, to convert the CD back to an ISO.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/VkdMcH7S/imgburn-CDto-ISO.gif
2) Use Rufus from rufus.ie, to convert an ISO to a bootable USB stick.
http://rufus.ie/en/
Rufus 3.17 Portable (1.3 MB) [when the advert pops up, click the X in upper right corner]
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/rsp8B78z/Rufus-makes-USB.gif
That would be a rough idea.
Yes, it boots.
Paul
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I used Macrium and created a 64 bit PE 3.1 Rescue cd and a 64 bit
PE4.0 Rescue cd and they both failed and gave Local instead of
Create a Backup.
The PE3.1 didn't even see the external hd at first then after I tried
Backup to see if Create a Backup would appear and didn't. So I closed
it checked again and the external was there but still would not do a Backup>Create a Backup. So I tried it again.
https://postimg.cc/w7bBr4Ct
https://postimg.cc/8FLPjpjW
https://postimg.cc/0Mfk0VGy
https://postimg.cc/K40cKsv9
In passing, I checked the Mrimg and I don't see the {ImageID} your
referring to.
https://postimg.cc/NLCYG9pS
The 4.0 was exactly the same, it showed the external hd but every
time I selected Backup > it went to Local.
So why aren't these cd working? Should I try creating one with an
ISO? How do I go about that again?
These cd's should have worked, I used brand new CD-RW cd's and the
external was working and also the fan.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Is it possible that I have to upgrade to Macrium 8 for the cd's to work?
Yet my older cd's I had created worked fine to create the mrimgs. Maybe
that's what we should do instead like you diagrammed it. Although I have to re-read it a few times. One thing is clear, it doesn't seem to be working this way at all and I'm using up new cd's in the process.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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Hmmm I just re-read what you said about
Version 7 and 8 and that it doesn't matter.
I don't want to create a bootable stick I want
a bootable CD. So lets try the ISO's and see
if they work?
I looked up my PE's but I don't know what to
do with them or how to unzip them?
https://postimg.cc/PP52QKsV
https://postimg.cc/KKBN8HBj
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Dec 9 00:33:37 2021
On 12/8/2021 11:00 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Is it possible that I have to upgrade to Macrium 8 for the cd's to work?
Yet my older cd's I had created worked fine to create the mrimgs. Maybe that's what we should do instead like you diagrammed it. Although I have to re-read it a few times. One thing is clear, it doesn't seem to be working this
way at all and I'm using up new cd's in the process.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
With the CD booted that isn't showing hard drives, visit
Restore : View Unsupported Devices
from the top row.
On the XPS8500, the BIOS is set to RAID mode, and
the machine likely ships in RAID-Ready mode. This can
cause a bit of discomfort on drivers. It might require
Intel RST driver. I don't know if the iastorv is good
enough as a driver for that (in-box), or Macrium has
to add a driver when building the CD.
The 780 is more likely to be using AHCI mode, rather than
RAID mode. The driver choices there could be msahci
or storahci (or something with a name like that).
*******
In any case, the deal with Macrium is
You're supposed to build the CD, on the machine
it will be booting.
I find though, in a lot of cases, the one CD I make,
boots most of the machines around here, so I don't
need to make bushels of CDs to make Macrium work.
But sooner or later, you've bound to run into a situation,
where the CD you built, just isn't including the right
(complete) set of drivers. A certain number of drivers
are in the kits. But if something is being copied from
the running OS, into the WIM file, then that can't really
happen unless the CD (or ISO) is being built on the
target machine.
Paul
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I did try to build the Rescue CD on the 8500 computer
I only want to make extra copies of the Rescue
CD's (just in case). What if I damage the only one
that works or something? Then where would I be?
I do have another from 2016 and one from 2014 but
haven't tried it to see if it even works.
These other Rescue CD's aren't working but they
should unless I'm doing something wrong during
the process because I built a Rescue cd (PE 3.1 64 bit)
on the 8500 via Macrium with a new CD-RW disk.
I then tried building a Rescue cd (PE 4.0 64 bit) with
the same results showing Local instead of Create a
Backup.
I used the PE 3.1 Rescue CD (non-working) and did
as you instructed:
https://postimg.cc/HrcTL0hN
https://postimg.cc/w3wzcbKP
Here's my 2014 Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/v10hS9QQ
I didn't load any of the drivers without checking with you
first.
https://postimg.cc/18Hrf6Vp
https://postimg.cc/XBdw3y0B
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Dec 9 09:47:06 2021
On 12/8/2021 11:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Hmmm I just re-read what you said about
Version 7 and 8 and that it doesn't matter.
I don't want to create a bootable stick I want
a bootable CD. So lets try the ISO's and see
if they work?
I looked up my PE's but I don't know what to
do with them or how to unzip them?
https://postimg.cc/PP52QKsV
https://postimg.cc/KKBN8HBj
Robert
it's best to let the Macrium Build process handle that aspect.
I checked here, and when an unknown WinPE version was requested,
Macrium downloaded the file (once again) to get the job done.
I just haven't figured out, how it tracks which copy of the
ZIP to use.
If it kept the damn ZIP files in ProgramData, then we'd know.
But I don't see it storing the ZIP *intact* any place useful.
*******
What Macrium does, is it downloads them, and it "unrolls" them
in a tree I showed you before. You can't find them by looking
for ZIP. You are more likely to find them by searching for
"winpe.wim". Of which there will be many. Only the ones in
C:\ProgramData count in this case.
When you click the Build button, *one* download operation populates
two paths like this. This particular pair is not two downloads.
This seems to vary a bit, when I look at my C:\ProgramData tree.
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools\amd64\winpe.wim C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows AIK\Tools\PETools\x86\winpe.wim
Each era of PE kit, has unique pathnames for itself. This
pathname is way too long for comfort.
C:\ProgramData\Macrium\Reflect\Windows Kits\8.1\Assessment and Deployment Kit\Windows Preinstallation Environment\amd64\en-us\winpe.wim
That one is obviously related to Win8.1, so we can back-trace
and figure out which WinPE that is.
I am able to find them.
It is possible to check for paths like that, and figure out
which WinPE are inside Macrium at the moment.
The ZIP versions seem to have the most value, when you
want to Uninstall in Programs and Features. That's why they are cached
in the Installer folder in C:\Windows.
*******
Just used the Advanced button at the bottom of the Build dialog
and select the WinPE you think best fits your hardware. For a
USB3 based machine, I'd use a more modern WinPE. Like a WinPE 5.0.
Which you can select in Advanced. On the machine with my Asmedia
red connector USB, I would use the very latest WinPE10 to
get in-box coverage for that. In fact, the Macrium one might
not be modern enough. I have the card in the machine for testing,
but it's not used at the moment for backups. The machine has at least
four other blue USB3 which I do use, and WinPE5 is enough for those
by default.
There's some dialog in the Build process, which can tell you
which drivers it's grabbing from outside the regular places.
That's how you get "hints" about unusual hardware. In the same
way at boot time, where it pretends to be helping you, by
noting items that didn't get drivers. The 8086 1E31 thing.
Paul
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Robert in CA on Thu Dec 9 09:29:25 2021
On 12/9/2021 4:16 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I did try to build the Rescue CD on the 8500 computer
I only want to make extra copies of the Rescue
CD's (just in case). What if I damage the only one
that works or something? Then where would I be?
I do have another from 2016 and one from 2014 but
haven't tried it to see if it even works.
These other Rescue CD's aren't working but they
should unless I'm doing something wrong during
the process because I built a Rescue cd (PE 3.1 64 bit)
on the 8500 via Macrium with a new CD-RW disk.
I then tried building a Rescue cd (PE 4.0 64 bit) with
the same results showing Local instead of Create a
Backup.
I used the PE 3.1 Rescue CD (non-working) and did
as you instructed:
https://postimg.cc/HrcTL0hN
https://postimg.cc/w3wzcbKP "All devices have drivers loaded"
Here's my 2014 Rescue CD
https://postimg.cc/v10hS9QQ This is Macrium 5.2.6526
I didn't load any of the drivers without checking with you
first.
https://postimg.cc/18Hrf6Vp
https://postimg.cc/XBdw3y0B So it's saying it doesn't have drivers in
mind, when it offers to load some.
Robert
There are two options:
1) Build a new CD, using the version of Macrium you plan to
regularly use. Like Version 7.x . If built on the machine with
the "mystery hardware", drivers can be copied from the OS installation,
into the CD image. This would be done using the WAIK/WADK kit, and the
WIM tree is first mounted, then compressed and stored in the WIM once
it is prepared. The WIM takes a significant percentage of the space
taken by the ISO used to burn the CD.
2) Build a new CD and select a more modern WinPE version. WinPE5 or WinPE10.
These will have a larger number of drivers as "in-box" drivers. Then, if
the CD is moved from 8500 to 780 or 780 to 8500, it still works.
The 8086 1E31 is a USB3 Host controller (XHCI) in the Intel Southbridge.
Every time I try to search for it on Google, the page that comes back
doesn't have the 1E31 part in text, so I can show you.
The deal is, Windows 7 does not have USB3 drivers as a native thing.
When I add a USB3 card to a Windows 7 system, I have to get the driver
CD out of the box and install the driver for it. Typically for add-on
cards, this would be an Asmedia driver (since there are a lot of Asmedia
chips out there, 500MB/sec ones and 1000MB/sec ones).
W8/W8.1/W10/W11 should have a USB3 driver already. The WinPE versions
that correspond to those, should have a driver for that 8086 1E31 identifier.
So the deal is, if you select WinPE 5.0, that may be far enough
advanced to have USB3 drivers built-in. That solves the 8086 1E31 issue.
The network driver, I can't begin to guess which WinPE is advanced
enough for that. Generally, the coverage on network drivers via WinPE
is pretty good. Part of the reason, is the common NICs on motherboards
are part of the "cheap set". If you had a 10GbE chip on the motherboard
(on very expensive motherboards), the driver is less likely to be
in a WinPE. Or maybe it takes the very latest WinPE10 to have that
network driver by default. A lot of boards from this year, have the
RealTek 2.5GbE Ethernet chip. The ~$100 chip isn't used too much (10GbE).
It was the first chip to break the Intel monopoly, and then people
didn't have to pay a lot more money for an Intel 10GbE with the other
chip. But that company was bought up, and so it's not as visible
any more. For that particular card, the drivers start at Windows 7.
I didn't buy a pair of cards, because there was no WinXP driver.
In other words, there *are* obscure NICs, for which the Macrium
build process will be unpleasant. Your two machines do not
sit in that category. I would be shocked if WinPE 5.0 did not
have them covered by default.
Paul
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There are two options:
1) Build a new CD, using the version of Macrium you plan to
regularly use. Like Version 7.x . If built on the machine with
the "mystery hardware", drivers can be copied from the OS installation,
into the CD image. This would be done using the WAIK/WADK kit, and the
WIM tree is first mounted, then compressed and stored in the WIM once
it is prepared. The WIM takes a significant percentage of the space
taken by the ISO used to burn the CD.
2) Build a new CD and select a more modern WinPE version. WinPE5 or WinPE10. These will have a larger number of drivers as "in-box" drivers. Then, if
the CD is moved from 8500 to 780 or 780 to 8500, it still works.
1. I have already tried to build new CD's on the computer they
are going to boot from but they don't work.
2. I can try and do that but it still doesn't explain why my 2018
Rescue cd's worked the 8500 and the 780 to build mrimgs but
the new cd's don't? So your saying it's missing the USB3 drivers?
Robert
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The PE 5.0 did the same damn thing! Maybe the
new PE's are missing what the 2018 has?
I checked to see if it showed the external hd (J:)
and it did not. I closed the 'My Computer' pop up
then checked again and it was there! So why didn't it
show up the first time I checked? I then clicked
Create Backups and sure enough Local appeared
again instead of Create a Backup. It's not seeing
the hd.
https://postimg.cc/NynQX8CN
https://postimg.cc/0KRxWksD
https://postimg.cc/G47R0JRc
https://postimg.cc/HJFCnYjR
So far, all of them have Backup> Local instead of
Backup> Create a Backup. The only cd's that I have
that work that made the mrimgs are from 2018.
All the new Rescue CD are missing something.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
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I was thinking,....
Could we do this; verify it works and use the
2018 Rescue CD and put it on the Patriot as in
your sketch diagram then using the Patriot to
create new Rescue CD's from it instead of using
Rufus to create a bootable stick? Is that possible?
Robert
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I just thought of something; maybe Macrium is
allowing only (1) Rescue CD to be created (2018)
and that's why all the others I've created are flawed
with the missing Create a Backup. The same way I
can install Word and Excel from the 8200 disks on
the 8500 but not the 780 although I was able to install
Dell Imaging.
As far as the 2014 Rescue CD I would need your
assistance to locate the needed drivers to get it
operational if thats possible and if the drivers even
exist anymore.
Right now I stumped why it doesn't work when it should
and why it doesn't see the external hd then does see it?
then I get the Local instead of Create a Backup which
means its not seeing the drive.
Robert
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If I wanted to create a bootable stick wouldn't I need
a clean Patriot drive with nothing else on it?
I cleared all the information off one Partiot so there's nothing
on it but do we have to do anything else to use it?
https://postimg.cc/ftMW35b4
Here's what I have on my other Patriot drive:
https://postimg.cc/zy9VfnW5
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Dec 10 09:04:37 2021
On 12/9/2021 5:13 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
There are two options:
1) Build a new CD, using the version of Macrium you plan to
regularly use. Like Version 7.x . If built on the machine with
the "mystery hardware", drivers can be copied from the OS installation,
into the CD image. This would be done using the WAIK/WADK kit, and the
WIM tree is first mounted, then compressed and stored in the WIM once
it is prepared. The WIM takes a significant percentage of the space
taken by the ISO used to burn the CD.
2) Build a new CD and select a more modern WinPE version. WinPE5 or WinPE10. These will have a larger number of drivers as "in-box" drivers. Then, if
the CD is moved from 8500 to 780 or 780 to 8500, it still works.
1. I have already tried to build new CD's on the computer they
are going to boot from but they don't work.
2. I can try and do that but it still doesn't explain why my 2018
Rescue cd's worked the 8500 and the 780 to build mrimgs but
the new cd's don't? So your saying it's missing the USB3 drivers?
Robert
The PEExplorer in Macrium CD, can tell you whether any drive
is present or not.
In the Macrium Command Prompt, you can do the
wmic diskdrive
command and it will have entries for each disk.
Available BytesPerSect Capabilities CapabilityDescriptions Caption
512 {3, 4, 10} {"Random Access", "Supports Writing", "SMART Notification"} WDC WD3001FAEX-00MJRA0 ATA Device
512 {3, 4, 10} {"Random Access", "Supports Writing", "SMART Notification"} WDC WD4002FYYZ-01B7CB1 ATA Device
512 {3, 4} {"Random Access", "Supports Writing"} RAMDiskVE
512 {3, 4} {"Random Access", "Supports Writing"} ASMT 2115 USB Device
The first two devices are internal hard drives.
The third device is a software RAM Disk.
The fourth device is an SSD on a USB enclosure.
It likes to adopt the enclosure name.
One of their namespaces looks like this.
\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE1
\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE0
\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE2
\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE3
which you can see in the listing sometimes if it is
dumped in the command prompt.
You might even be able to dump it to X: , for easier reading.
Like this.
wmic diskdrive > X:\mydisks.txt
notepad X:\mydisks.txt
If the drives really aren't present, then there is a driver
problem of some sort.
*******
As for the pictures, my machines are showing "local drives" for
Macrium 8 as well. But it still works, and my single SATA drive
is detected in this picture.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/3Jqzz7rb/Macrium8-x64-disk-OK.jpg
Paul
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On 12/9/2021 10:06 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just thought of something; maybe Macrium is
allowing only (1) Rescue CD to be created (2018)
and that's why all the others I've created are flawed
with the missing Create a Backup. The same way I
can install Word and Excel from the 8200 disks on
the 8500 but not the 780 although I was able to install
Dell Imaging.
As far as the 2014 Rescue CD I would need your
assistance to locate the needed drivers to get it
operational if thats possible and if the drivers even
exist anymore.
Right now I stumped why it doesn't work when it should
and why it doesn't see the external hd then does see it?
then I get the Local instead of Create a Backup which
means its not seeing the drive.
Robert
OK, you've been testing the new enclosure ?
Go back, boot one of the "Local disk" CDs while
the *old* 2TB drive and enclosure are connected.
Do the symptoms change then ?
Perhaps this is a behavior of the new Nexstar enclosure.
*******
USB has more than a few weird states.
If you shut down a Linux Live on USB stick, it does something to
the USB port state, such that the device can't be
detected (fully) on the next boot.
I don't think this has anything to do with your problem,
and this is just an illustration that things are not
what they seem on computers.
We had a Golden Rule at work, when designing silicon.
Your device must RESET properly. There would be a signal
on the outside, and usage of that signal, erases every
bit of the state. And consequently, if you rebooted
some equipment, there would never be any "laggard" behavior.
But USB sticks don't have a separate RESET wire. Neither
do SATA drives (which is why SATA HDD must be powered off
to reset them - pushing the RESET button on the front of
the PC does nothing). SATA drives only need to be reset if
they "go crazy". Which fortunately, doesn't happen often.
The normal root cause, is using too long of a power cable,
with too many connectors in the path, and once the 12V drops
below 11V, that makes SATA drives go nuts. Then you have to shut off
the power again, to get the firmware to start up fresh.
*******
Anyway, give the old enclosure a try, the one you'd normally
use with the 8500, and see of the old enclosure has better
behavior.
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On 12/10/2021 12:51 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
If I wanted to create a bootable stick wouldn't I need
a clean Patriot drive with nothing else on it?
I cleared all the information off one Partiot so there's nothing
on it but do we have to do anything else to use it?
https://postimg.cc/ftMW35b4
Here's what I have on my other Patriot drive:
https://postimg.cc/zy9VfnW5
Robert
That second drive has a Sources\ directory, implying
it was a WinPE boot device of some type. Perhaps that
is where a previous Macrium was placed by Macrium.
Generally, any tool making boot devices, you have to
assume it will delete things, unless the instructions
say otherwise.
It can use NTFS or FAT32, but the installer will choose
what it wants, and will work within the constraints.
It will take your stuff off, and put what it wants on there.
After the device is built, if you want to also keep your
bookmarks file on it, you can. But, the very next time
you put a *new* Macrium boot on there, you have to take
the same safety precautions, because it can erase the
whole stick before putting materials on it.
I find, once you start using USB sticks, you end up buying
a pile of them. (I suppose that's what the manufacturer wants.)
There's not a lot of room for writing details of what is
on the sticks. At least with hard drives, there's room for me
to put a few words on there with a Sharpie.
I only have one stick with data files on it. The rest
are boot sticks. There's a Kaspersky, two Macrium,
a couple Linux sticks. And quite a few other USB sticks
I haven't checked lately and haven't a clue what is on them.
They're hardly convenient, as storage devices go, because
of the labeling issues.
And if you put numbers on them, and keep a logbook,
that lasts for about a microsecond, before the logbook
isn't up to date :-)
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My example also showed local but that was for the C: drive
but did not recognize the J: when I selected Backup>Create a
Backup.
I opened the Sources folder on the Patriot and it has a boot.wim
inside. How would I use this? Or can I?
https://postimg.cc/fJLcRPZh
I'm just looking to have more than one Rescue CD for each computer for redundancy just like I'm doing for the mrimgs. Just in case. That's all.
I went through all my disks and this is what I have
(1) 2018 Rescue CD - 8500
(2) 2016 Rescue CD - 8500
(1) 2016 8500 System Repair Disc
(1) 2014 Rescue CD (needs drivrs)
(1) 2021 32 bit, V4 780 Rescue CD
(1) 2018 780 Rescue CD
(1) 2016 Rescue CD
(2) 780 Repair Disks
(2) 2018 Kapersky cd's
(1-4) Dell Data Safe CD's
I actually have a Linux CD a friend gave me years ago.
https://postimg.cc/GBFB3F5D
I found another 2016 Rescue CD:
https://postimg.cc/NLT69X2d
https://postimg.cc/fVWmrg2P
and here's the 8500 System Repair Disk:
https://postimg.cc/YvXYKfTC
https://postimg.cc/KKwT4cGX
https://postimg.cc/9DNRNXq4
Yes, I have been testing the new enclosure and it only
powers up once connected and I watch the fan to make
sure it activates. Very quite.
I know what you mean about things not seeming what
they are or suppose to be on computers.
I'll go back and try the 2TB external and see if it's the same.
I'll try the first new Rescue CDs I made.
Robert
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Then decided to check the mrimgs to make sure the last one we
created was there.
https://postimg.cc/CBw99088
Robert
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I'm trying it again with the new 64 bit PE 3.1 Rescue CD and 6TB
external hd and am running it off of the Local and will see what
happens. I selected J: 8500 mrimgs as the destination. I'll show
you the pics afterwards. Lets hope this works.
Robert
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On 12/10/2021 6:26 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried it again with the new PE 3.1 64 bit Rescue CD and the 2TB
WD external hd and the same thing happened again.
https://postimg.cc/qzZ0nN35 F: and I: have MRIMG, according to the scanner "Existing Backups"
https://postimg.cc/7JZ8J4Y4 PEExplorer C:/D: on one drive J:/K: on other, J has 1.2GB
https://postimg.cc/mthWbT5N C:/D: shows up in local disks, USB drive is not a candidate for backup so no J:/K:
https://postimg.cc/CBw99088 No December backups on J: a 2TB drive.
Then decided to check the mrimgs to make sure the last one we
created was there.
Robert
Whether USB drives show up in a "backup" menu, depends on whether
they are "fixed" drives or "removable-media" drives. To some
extent at least. Things like Disk Management, even the file system
mounter are sensitive like that. Only the first partition of
a "fixed" USB drive will mount - W10 or W11 are supposed to have
recently changed that, but I haven't noticed a change yet.
It's not unusual for an external drive to not be in a backup
menu.
However, PEExplorer shows us that C:/D: and J:/K: as pairs,
have been detected. This means hardware drivers exist for them,
the drivers work. The SATA internal drive uses a SATA driver (msahci perhaps). The external USB3 drive, there's an XHCI driver for the hub,
and some sort of driver for the disk.
Everything seems to be present.
You should be able to define a backup for C:/D: and write
it to J: . That's because J: mounted OK for you.
I don't know what happened to that {ImageID} named file.
Whether you deleted it from J: or what happened.
*******
https://www.macrium.com/reflect-8
"What’s New
...
Backup SD cards and flash memory sticks
"
That means, at least the OS version of Macrium, should have
the external USB3 enclosure in the "Local Disks" window.
*******
I just carried out some tests, and there's something weird about the
Macrium8 CD environment.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/65KN2qKJ/Macrium-8-missing-drive-letters.gif
Mine detected all the disks. I used three disks, two internal SATA
and one external USB (with SSD connected). The X: OS could see
all three.
The part that was broken, is the X: OS would not assign drive letters
to the second and third storage devices. It would only assign letters
to the first drive. The first and second drives are both GPT. The
third drive, I think it's MBR. It didn't get a drive letter either,
and it only has the one partition on it. It really should have shown up.
Without a drive letter, you can't write a backup to those two disks.
Which means in a sense, that you can't make backups.
I presume this is a problem of some sort with my setup.
(You are less likely to see this on yours.)
When I boot up with the Macrium 7.2 CD, all three drives are
assigned letters, and I no longer have the "Local Disks" label.
Both environments are able to Network Map a drive on another
computer (which I assigned to letter Z: ).
I could force the issue, using Diskpart in Command Prompt, in the
Macrium CD environment. You can "select partition n", then
"assign letter T" kind of thing. I tested that, because I needed
to make a partition (manually) while in the Macrium environment
anyway. This means it would be possible to force the Macrium 8
environment to work, but we shouldn't have to do stupid stuff
like that.
Summary: The device level detection seems to work.
The letter assignments have a small problem.
Paul
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However, PEExplorer shows us that C:/D: and J:/K: as pairs,
have been detected. This means hardware drivers exist for them,
the drivers work. The SATA internal drive uses a SATA driver (msahci perhaps).
The external USB3 drive, there's an XHCI driver for the hub,
and some sort of driver for the disk.
Everything seems to be present.
You should be able to define a backup for C:/D: and write
it to J: . That's because J: mounted OK for you.
I don't know what happened to that {ImageID} named file.
Whether you deleted it from J: or what happened.
Yes I deleted it because it did the same thing as this last mrimg
and didn't finish normally. However I kept this one in case you had
any questions about it.
Robert
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Yes, but I don't even get to that level of unassigned drives.
it skips that portion entirely.
Robert
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Paul on Sat Dec 11 02:21:37 2021
On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 5:47:35 PM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
On 12/10/2021 6:26 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried it again with the new PE 3.1 64 bit Rescue CD and the 2TB
WD external hd and the same thing happened again.
https://postimg.cc/qzZ0nN35 F: and I: have MRIMG, according to the scanner "Existing Backups"
https://postimg.cc/7JZ8J4Y4 PEExplorer C:/D: on one drive J:/K: on other, J has 1.2GB
https://postimg.cc/mthWbT5N C:/D: shows up in local disks, USB drive is not a candidate for backup so no J:/K:
https://postimg.cc/CBw99088 No December backups on J: a 2TB drive.
I put the December backup on the 6TB external hd
https://postimg.cc/Sjrj10jb
Robert
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On 12/11/2021 5:21 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 5:47:35 PM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
On 12/10/2021 6:26 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I tried it again with the new PE 3.1 64 bit Rescue CD and the 2TB
WD external hd and the same thing happened again.
https://postimg.cc/qzZ0nN35 F: and I: have MRIMG, according to the scanner "Existing Backups"
https://postimg.cc/7JZ8J4Y4 PEExplorer C:/D: on one drive J:/K: on other, J has 1.2GB
https://postimg.cc/mthWbT5N C:/D: shows up in local disks, USB drive is not a candidate for backup so no J:/K:
https://postimg.cc/CBw99088 No December backups on J: a 2TB drive.
I put the December backup on the 6TB external hd
https://postimg.cc/Sjrj10jb
Robert
I expect that backup is fine, and can be restored by
the Macrium 8 CD when needed. You can run a Verify on it,
but I wouldn't do that until you've made a Macrium 8 WinPE 5.0 CD.
If you made such a CD/DVD, then the backup or the verify
speed, should improve, and not be quite as slug-slow as
it is now :-)
On my external enclosure, Macrium 8 did detect the drive, but
it didn't assign a drive letter. Yours doesn't show the drive,
and I bet, even if you did a "Refresh" from the menu, an
extra row for that disk, would not show up in the Backup options.
When I use my Macrium 7 CD, the features work properly. The Macrium 8
is not entirely predictable, so I guess we assign it a value of
"flaky" from a software perspective. But that should not stop
us from doing our best, with a minimum of WinPE 5.0, to get
the Microsoft in-box XHCI driver as an aid to speed.
Paul
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On 12/10/2021 10:42 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
It failed, it went through the complete download but
no successfully completed pop-up.
https://postimg.cc/FYPRr03W Browse for image C:/D: , J: 5.24TB
https://postimg.cc/PvzXBDdM Create Image : Local Disks C:/D: only listed
https://postimg.cc/RWbS54x2 Will attach {ImageID} , Advanced : Tick Box not used
https://postimg.cc/gxrw6MzF Three partitions to back up, 39MB FAT32 included
https://postimg.cc/21J1d4yq 215Mbitpsec 26.9MB/sec (USB2 rate) , driver? , based on size, this is XPS 8500
https://postimg.cc/8Jgs9NhN
https://postimg.cc/wy53dZVJ *Image Completed Successfully in 02:40:44* <=== check 6TB drive for existence
I went back to check the mrimgs and it did the same thing
and put a bunch of garbage in front of the mrimg name Igave
it showing this is a incomplete, non-functioning mrimg not
to be used because it did not have a normal finish. I had to
close the session once again after waiting 30 minutes for it
to complete which is more than enough time.
https://postimg.cc/Sjrj10jb
Robert
The garbage is the {ImageID} value, which shows and is listed, in the
dialog while you are setting it up. By using "Advanced" at the
bottom of that setup dialog, and selecting the tick box to not
include {ImageID}, you can remove the ImageID from the output file.
The {ImageID} is mostly an aid for the program, when it is doing
scheduled backups. Whereas your style is more one of "on demand" backup.
I think the backup did work, because the last picture you your
series has a Text String to that effect.
To prove the backup worked, you could run a verify on the file-with-garbage-in-the-name E926130F97E2D8FA on the 6TB drive.
It should be 230.43GB , according to the last picture in the series.
In the last picture in the series "wy53dZVJ" , you just need
to click the "Close" button.
Your very last picture, shows the backup file is there 230.43GB
in PEExplorer. You can do a "Verify" on that file now, if you
wish to determine it has internal integrity.
Summary:
1) WinPE 3.1 is for Windows 7. Windows 7 lacks an in-box XHCI driver.
This means, if you choose to use this particular version of
WinPE while building media on the XPS 8500, the Media Builder will
have to find a separate XHCI driver from Intel. Which it could do,
but we don't know that for sure. Presumably, the Dell OS the machine
shipped with, had that driver. If a person wanted to be stubborn and
build the media yet again with the WinPE 3.1, they could go to the
backup set of Dell disks, the Dell disk with the drivers on it,
and find the XHCI driver there, and incorporate that into the CD.
Otherwise, the path of least resistance, is to read the text
for the WinPE 5.0 entry, which says:
"You may also consider this for older systems requiring default USB3 support"
I'm hoping, that a rescue media made with WinPE 5.0, will cause
the backup speed on the XPS 8500, which is being asked to back up
to a 230GB file, that speed will improve, and you won't have to wait so long.
2) When using the Macrium CD, and setting up the backup, use the
"Advanced" button at the bottom of the dialog, to untick the
box that "includes an ImageID". I know it's a nuisance, the setting
is not persistent, because you're running from the CD environment,
but that will get rid of the garbage string.
I still think the Macrium 8 materials are not perfect. The
dialog that says the drivers are loaded, well, that's not
accurate. There are several HCI drivers for USB, and one
of them just offers USB2 and does not cover USB3. That driver
is most likely the one being used at the moment (or the backup
wouldn't even run). But if the CD had the XHCI driver, then
the speed would pick up to at least 100MB/sec or so. Making allowances
for the Medium Compression setting you might be using at the moment
(the default choice, unless you adjust it to some different value).
Running a "Verify" using Macrium 8 CD or Macrium 8 OS, should
tell you whether it was cut short or damaged or not. Just do it with
a better driver than the USB2 running the enclosure at the moment.
Inside the file, it also stores that ImageID number, so it's not
like the scheme is bereft of identifiers :-) It's swimming in
features like that. Putting that string in the name is just
an insult, a "bad default" only a software developer would think up.
The software is perfectly capable of scanning MRIMG headers and
reconstructing the relationship between files (members of Incremental
sets or members of Differential sets or members of Incremental Forever).
Paul
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Exactly Marium 7 follows your instructions but Macrium 8
they changed the procedures.
I did create a Macrium PE 5.0 , that was the last one we did.
I have PE 3.1, PE 4.0 and PE 5.0 but I thought they were all
bad but I guess not? Macrium just changed the process. It
would be nice if they let eeryone know instead of leaving the
users to figure all this out.
I'll do another mrimg after this one with the PE 5.0 and see if
I can get it to work and untick the Image ID.
Robert
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Hmmmm so you think the mrimg with the ImageID is good?
I suppose there's no way to remove the ImageID without
affecting the file but now I understand what your talking about.
I'll have to try it again and make sure I'll un-tick it. Nevertheless,
the procedure is allot different than before which makes it seem
it doesn't work. It's true I didn't use the tick box, I should have.
Then it would of shown the J: drive. In my last pic, I did select Close.
I went back and check my 2016 and they were both junk.
I then check out my repair cd
I then started a mrimg with the 2018 Rescue CD (running)
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On 12/11/2021 6:22 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Hmmmm so you think the mrimg with the ImageID is good?
I suppose there's no way to remove the ImageID without
affecting the file but now I understand what your talking about.
I'll have to try it again and make sure I'll un-tick it. Nevertheless,
the procedure is allot different than before which makes it seem
it doesn't work. It's true I didn't use the tick box, I should have.
Then it would of shown the J: drive. In my last pic, I did select Close.
I went back and check my 2016 and they were both junk.
I then check out my repair cd
I then started a mrimg with the 2018 Rescue CD (running)
Robert
AS far as I know, you can change the file name:
a-serious-name-for-a-file.mrimg
mickeymouse.mrimg
The program uses the Extension to determine it is a file
of interest. Then it checks inside the header of the file,
for details about the file. It's not really a good idea for
any program to rely on the filename as a source of metadata.
The user should be able to change the filename to anything
they want, even include weird character sets if they want.
[It looks like my power could drop soon here, the wind is
really picking up, and the power went off for a second already... :-)]
Paul
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Oh man, hope everything is Ok,. probably best to power
everything off just to be safe.
I'm running the Macrium V8 PE 3.1 , I thought it best to
start there. I used the tick box to select J: drive and I
went into Advanced Options and unticked the ImageID
and it's running. 2 hrs 57 mins remaining. I've taken pics
and you can look at them after the winds dies down.
After it finishes I'll go back into the mrimgs and delete the
ImageID off the one mrimg.
Thanks and watch out for the wind
Robert
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On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:14:49 PM UTC-8, Robert in CA wrote:
Oh man, hope everything is Ok,. probably best to power
everything off just to be safe.
I'm running the Macrium V8 PE 3.1 , I thought it best to
start there. I used the tick box to select J: drive and I
went into Advanced Options and unticked the ImageID
and it's running. 2 hrs 57 mins remaining. I've taken pics
and you can look at them after the winds dies down.
After it finishes I'll go back into the mrimgs and delete the
ImageID off the one mrimg.
Thanks and watch out for the wind
Robert
Time remaining just dropped to 1 hr 9 min
Robert
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That's looking good.
There's still the enclosure speed that could be improved.
But the backup seems to be working fine.
How do we improve the enclosure speed?
Robert
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Paul on Sun Dec 12 00:11:29 2021
On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:39:58 PM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
On 12/12/2021 12:26 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I forgot to give you the pics of the repair disk before:
https://postimg.cc/Z9wkttCG
Here's the completed mrimg using Macrium V7
https://postimg.cc/YjJ5wxCC
Robert
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On 12/12/2021 12:26 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I forgot to give you the pics of the repair disk before:
https://postimg.cc/Z9wkttCG
Here's the completed mrimg using Macrium V7
https://postimg.cc/YjJ5wxCC boot repair
Here's the completed mrimg using Macrium V8 although I
must not have taken a pic of me selecting the J: partition
but I made sure I took one of un-ticking the ImageID for you.
https://postimg.cc/fJcrQnP8 Prepare for backup 254.17GB C: 8500
https://postimg.cc/XZz2kVZY
https://postimg.cc/tZnBrLPt {ImageID} still turned on
https://postimg.cc/JHbP8Zps {ImageID} unticked
https://postimg.cc/18RJxgwz 267.75GB total input
https://postimg.cc/5HT3FnGH 2:37:47 Compression Medium, 9467 sec, 28.2MB/sec
then changed the mrimg names
https://postimg.cc/wRdQw39g
So what do you think?
Many thanks,
Robert
That's looking good.
There's still the enclosure speed that could be improved.
But the backup seems to be working fine.
I wouldn't be satisfied until my USB3 port was performing
at some fraction of its speed. The 28MB/sec would bother me,
because here when I do a backup, the total is a bit bigger,
and then I want that transfer rate cranked up.
Like, the best I can do in a test transfer on the other machine is:
41200MB/267sec = 154MB/sec with compression medium
and I'm backing up from a hard drive. The hard drive does
around 180MB/sec on the outer diameter. It's a 5900 RPM drive
pressed into service when the other, smaller, drive died
(cloned over, repair installed because of damage to files).
After I sent the other message, the wind did knock out
the power, for a bit over two hours, so not bad. Probably
something upstream of my substation.
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After I sent the other message, the wind did knock out
the power, for a bit over two hours, so not bad. Probably
something upstream of my substation.
Paul
I hate power outtages, and you never know when you'll be up again.
I think my worst experience was when Verizon switched to Frontier.
It was quite awhile before I got connected again.
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I went back and created Macrium V8 PE3.1, PE4.0 and PE 5.0
cd's for the 780.
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On 12/12/2021 5:39 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I went back and created Macrium V8 PE3.1, PE4.0 and PE 5.0
cd's for the 780.
Robert
The PE 5.0 could come in handy on the 780, if you
ever add a USB3 card to the x1 PCIe slot in the 780.
The 780 CD might boot the 8500 as well. You never know.
You can't stick a USB3 card in the 780 x16 video card,
as the BIOS won't allow it. This is unlike retail
motherboards (DIY computer build), where the video
card slot can be used for any toy you want to plug in.
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That's looking good.
There's still the enclosure speed that could be improved.
But the backup seems to be working fine.
How do we improve the enclosure speed?
Robert
WinPE 5.0 was supposed to do that.
And checking that you're plugged into a USB3 port
and not a USB2 port by accident. The faster ports have
a red or a blue tab, the slow port is usually black.
It took a while, before they started color coding them
like that.
The USB3 has nine electrical contacts.
The USB2 has four electrical contacts.
You'd need a flashlight, to tell the difference
based on the contacts.
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Well, I created the 5.0 on both computers
and the 8500 has nothing but blue ports
the 780 has black.
btw it takes forever hitting the F12 on the
780 before I can select the CD option.
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On 12/12/2021 3:12 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Well, I created the 5.0 on both computers
and the 8500 has nothing but blue ports
the 780 has black.
btw it takes forever hitting the F12 on the
780 before I can select the CD option.
Robert
It could be attempting to read the CD when
you click F12, which could take a few seconds.
A good BIOS reads and registers the optical drive,
when discovering all the rest of the hardware. It
won't wait for user input particularly. The boot
order could be previously set, to have optical item
first in the order, then the CD on such a motherboard,
would boot right away.
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Hmmm I never thought of adding a USB3 to
the 780. That would bring in line with the 8500
It also looks like there's (3) spare PCI slots.
What USB3 card would you recommend for the
780?
Robert
The 780 (Q45/ICH10) might be
x16 PCI Express Rev.2 (for video card)
PCI
PCI
x1 PCI Express Rev1.1
A USB3 card would most likely go in the
x1 PCI Express slot.
x1 Rev1.1 = 250MB/sec \
x1 Rev2 = 500MB/sec \___ Peripheral slots are usually "behind"
x1 Rev3 = 1000MB/sec / on speed. The video card slot has
the best speed (but can't be used on
the 780, for anything other than video).
You can see in the slot info, that the video card
is the faster standard, of Rev.2 . Whereas the x1 slot
is the slower Rev1.1 standard. This limits USB3 operation
to around 200MB/sec or so. Many many times, that's all I've
got out of these things, so 200MB/sec is just fine.
But take heart, because I've had a Rev.2 slot for a USB3
card, sometimes it boots in Rev.2 mode, sometimes it boots
in Rev1.1 mode. Thus, even if you have better slots for
cards, it doesn't always work out that they start at the
correct speed. It's possible the other machines here,
have better table manners.
I was also reading something to that effect on USB3 red ports.
That they run at their fullest speed, if the port is a
USB-C connector, and may not run at full speed if using the
Red colored Type A connector.
In any case, my experience is I get 200MB/sec pretty well all
the time, which is plenty good enough for Macrium of course.
*******
NEC/Renesas made the first USB3 chip. An example of a card with
such a chip, is here. The NEC chip was noteworthy in supporting
Windows XP, which is why I bought a card with a NEC chip at the
time. The only problem with this, is the length of time required
for shipping.
VANTEC 4-Port SuperSpeed USB 3.0 PCIe Host Card w/ Internal 20-Pin UGT-PC345 $37
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
https://vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=125&p_name=
Renesas uDP720201 # A NEC USB3, unexpected (works in WinXP)
# Use the driver CD in your Win7 OS
https://vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/ugt-pc345_manual.pdf
The blue connector on the back, supports two USB3 ports, and the
connector follows the standard for internal extension cables.
This allows sticking a tray in the 780, so two USB3 ports could
be on the front of the machine. There is no rush particularly,
to kit up for that feature.
*******
This one is cheap, but it's an eTron. It took them a couple
years to fix their driver. Drivers make me "nervous" :-)
https://www.startech.com/en-us/cards-adapters/pexusb3s23
*******
This one is a NEC but kind of expensive for a 2 port.
https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-model-pexusb3s11/p/N82E16815158208
One of the connectors is internal, but it's a Type A possibly. Rather than
the other style, which is the 2x10 connector and "custom" cable. The internal connector is for extension to the front panel of the machine. In a 780, you could place a tray in a 5.25" bay for the connector.
*******
This one has three on the back, and one for the front. Might be $40.
It's a VIA VL805.
https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-model-pexusb3s42-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815158415
*******
It's weird that the Asmedia ones seemed to have been squeezed out
of the running. This implies that maybe they're not being made
any more (the two port and four port USB3.0 500MB/sec ones). The
problem is, the Asmedia USB3.1 Rev2 1000MB/sec ones, they're nice
all right, but the PCI Express connector is a x4 one. It won't
fit in your x1 slot. Some x1 slots, the plastic is open on one
end, such that an x4 card *can* be placed in an x1 slot. That
combination is possible, but there is no pattern to what motherboards
have the open style connectors. At one time, the open style connectors
had yellow plastic bodies, so you could spot them right away. Now,
you need your magnifying glass or microscope to discover them. In
any case, Dell doesn't do stuff like that, so I don't even need to
look.
Summary: The VantecUsa one looks nice. In any case, you're looking for
PCI Express cards with an x1 connector.
The Aux Power connector on the back of the card doesn't have
to be hooked up. If you are using bus power to run stuff, like
running a slim DVD burner off a back slot, then you'd probably
fit an Aux Power connector. But with the Dell power supply, there
might not be a place to plug in a cable.
In any case, installing these isn't too difficult. For a first cut,
you'll be plugging *nothing* into the back of the board. Turn off
all power to the PC while working on installation. Good ESD practice
is recommended. (In the old days, the NEC USB2 ports were pretty
easy to blow out. I have no way of knowing the stats today for their
USB3 chips.) But seeing as I bought a NEC one, and the ports didn't
blow out, they must be OK, right ?
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On 12/13/2021 2:54 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
So which do you recommend ?
The NEC:
https://www.newegg.com/bytecc-model-bt-peu310-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815283031
Their are (2) StarTech's to choose from:
https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-pexusb312a3-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815158472
https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-model-pexusb3s11/p/N82E16815158208
The Vantec:
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-model-ugt-pc345-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815287019
Robert
The ByteCC is perfect for a back slot solution. It's a NEC and
has drivers since WinXP. Considering the price of some of the
others, that's looking pretty good.
The pexusb312a3 uses an x4 slot and won't fit in the 780. Can't buy.
The pexusb3s11 uses an x1 slot and would work. It's a NEC. It all
depends on your point of view, as to whether it's ahead or behind
the ByteCC one. But the ByteCC one is good on price.
The ugt-pc345 is the Cadillac, in that it does a better job of
supporting both front and back ports. It's a NEC 4 port.
As an example of a second item you would buy to go with the
ugt-pc345, there is this cable assembly.
https://www.newegg.com/p/376-000K-00013
That item fits in the floppy drive/card reader hole of the 780.
It would give two USB3 connectors on the front of the machine.
If you already had a card reader on the front of the 780 and it
was fitted to the floppy hole, you couldn't use that.
This one on the other hand, fits a 5.25" bay and it leaves
room in the center of the tray, for another storage device.
The end result, is the USB3 connectors get turned 90 degrees.
https://www.newegg.com/p/35G-0028-00007
The ugt-pc345 is for the person who insists on USB3 on
the front panel of the machine, for easy access. Some
people have the PC on the floor, with the I/O plate not
facing outwards, making it harder to access. If your 780 is
located in an inconvenient location, then perhaps the
Vantec+cabling_solution is an option for you. But it comes
with a higher purchase price, for the two items.
But in terms of "basic functionality at a decent price",
that ByteCC looks excellent. It gets the job done.
My PCs are at table height, so both ends of the machines
are accessible. The ByteCC would not cause me any grief.
In terms of slots, the 780 has
x16 video slot (and only accepts video cards, BIOS stops pexusb312a3)
PCI limited to 110MB/sec or so
PCI limited to 110MB/sec or so
x1 PCI Express can do 200MB/sec on USB3 <=== where the card goes
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The ByteCC is perfect for a back slot solution. It's a NEC and
has drivers since WinXP. Considering the price of some of the
others, that's looking pretty good.
But in terms of "basic functionality at a decent price",
that ByteCC looks excellent. It gets the job done.
My PCs are at table height, so both ends of the machines
are accessible. The ByteCC would not cause me any grief.
In terms of slots, the 780 has
x16 video slot (and only accepts video cards, BIOS stops pexusb312a3)
PCI limited to 110MB/sec or so
PCI limited to 110MB/sec or so
x1 PCI Express can do 200MB/sec on USB3 <=== where the card goes
Paul
I just purchased the ByteCC card.
Robert
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I thought we were going to just replace the existing front
port. This seems way too involved and I really don't want
to go down that path after all we've done. I just want to
keep this simple.
So you like the ByteCC ?
https://www.newegg.com/bytecc-model-bt-peu310-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815283031
As far as install I know you said it doesn't much matter what PCI
I use but is the top #1 ?
I guess my question now is which Macrium version do I
use to do backups? I was using V7 but maybe I should
switch to V8 PE 3.1? I still have PE 4.0 and PE 5.0
what do recommend?
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On 12/13/2021 7:00 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
The ByteCC is perfect for a back slot solution. It's a NEC and
has drivers since WinXP. Considering the price of some of the
others, that's looking pretty good.
But in terms of "basic functionality at a decent price",
that ByteCC looks excellent. It gets the job done.
My PCs are at table height, so both ends of the machines
are accessible. The ByteCC would not cause me any grief.
In terms of slots, the 780 has
x16 video slot (and only accepts video cards, BIOS stops pexusb312a3)
PCI limited to 110MB/sec or so
PCI limited to 110MB/sec or so
x1 PCI Express can do 200MB/sec on USB3 <=== where the card goes
Paul
I just purchased the ByteCC card.
Robert
As long as the Nexstar enclosure cable is not a captive one,
you can leave the enclosure cable plugged into the ByteCC
when not being used.
With the VantecUSA card, you run a cable assembly from the
card, up to a tray level slot, so the USB3 connector can be
on the front of the computer. That covers situations where the
back of the computer is not accessible. That's why we'd buy a
card like that, as a function of where the PC sits most of
the time.
There have been cards in the past, with a perfectly blank
plate on the slot on the back, and they just have the internal
interface to run a cable to the front. That would be
like the VantecUSA, but without connectors on the faceplate.
Running the cable up and screwing in a tray, isn't all that
tough to do :-) As long as the cable is long enough. And you know
how it is with cables, they can be too short or too long.
A SATA cable can be a damn nuisance when it is too long,
as you're not supposed to "kink it" by bending, which means
you sorta roll up the excess cable if you bought too much.
You could use V7 or V8 Macrium, with WinPE 5.0, to gain
the benefit of the generic Microsoft USB3 XHCI driver.
This might allow the one CD, to boot both machines
(8500 and 780).
Paul
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I generally leave the cables connected to the externals.
It works out better that way for me.
I think I'll stay with V7 for now for both computers. I can
always move to V8 if I want.
Many, many thanks for all your good help, setting up the 6TB
hd, the links and taking the time to explain things. I really
appreciate it .
Now all we have to do is wait for the ByteCC card and
install it and were done.
Robert
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I just had another question,....
If I create mrimgs using V7 and at some point I
need to use them. Do I have to use V7 to restore
them or can I use V8?
Do mrimg's have to match the version they were
created with to restore/clone?
Thanks,
Robert
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On 12/14/2021 7:14 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just had another question,....
If I create mrimgs using V7 and at some point I
need to use them. Do I have to use V7 to restore
them or can I use V8?
Do mrimg's have to match the version they were
created with to restore/clone?
Thanks,
Robert
Backup with 6 Restore with 6 or 7 or 8
Backup with 7 Restore with 7 or 8
Backup with 8 Restore with 8
*******
The WinPE part affects booting on the machine
and having drivers. If an OS is modern enough
(like a WinPE 10), it may have instruction
set requirements, that a year 2003 processor
may not meet. Thus, a WinPE 10 would be a poor
choice for a Pentium 4 machine (like the 8200).
But your 780 is a Core2, and a Core2 can run
Windows 10. Both your machines, XPS 8500 and 780,
can run Windows 10, which is why the topic of
an upper limit has not come up.
I have machines here, that definitely wouldn't
boot my WinPE10 CDs, but then again, I haven't
tested that.
One way to test for this, would be for me to
make a WinPE 11 CD, which should fail on two
out of three PCs here, and would fail on both
your machines. So I can "simulate going too far
with WinPE". It's a possible test case I could try.
WinPE 11 is offered in some version of Macrium 8
installation. It might not be in the menu of Macrium 7.
But I saw it once, in a Macrium 8 setup. I have only
one machine in the house that could use such a CD.
Paul
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Thanks, that helps me to understand it a bit better.
Robert
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The ByteeCC card arrived today and I installed
it in the 780. Hopefully I installed it correctly on
the only pins that seem made for the card.
However this popped up.
https://postimg.cc/H8b5tGr0
Robert
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On 12/15/2021 10:01 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the BtyeCC installed:
https://postimg.cc/0b3V8SSh
Robert
Did you read the instructions ?
Any time you add hardware, there are *two* possibilities.
1) Add hardware
Then use the driver CD to install the driver.
or
2) Use the driver CD to install the driver first.
Then add the hardware card to the powered-off PC.
*******
I don't think anything bad has happened. The OS probably
realizes it needs an XHCI driver, which Windows 7 does not have.
There are other kinds of drivers and hardware, where if you screw up the instructions (1 vs 2 above), it is pure hell to fix. You would be
doing a Macrium restore to get out of that mess, as I can't always
fix those. The OS is remarkably stubborn.
Look in the box for a mini-CD. That's a popular size for the
task of driver install.
Some 5.25" optical drives, the tray has an "indentation" the
size of a mini-CD, and that's where it sits. If you had a
slim drive, you would be doing a compression fit of the
mini-CD onto the hub, before closing the drawer.
Anyway, five minutes and you should be done and enjoying
new entries in Device Manager. If the driver doesn't autorun,
just run the Setup.exe or similar on the mini-CD.
For example, mine shows this in Windows 7 right now:
Universal Serial Bus controllers
ASMedia USB Root Hub
ASMedia USB Root Hub
ASMedia USB Root Hub
ASMedia USB3.0 eXtensible Host Controller = XHCI four port chip
ASMedia USB3.0 eXtensible Host Controller four port chip
ASMedia USB3.1 eXtensible Host Controller two port chip
...
Intel C600 series chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller = EHCI port USB2
...
That took two CDs, for the three ASMedia chips.
Yours will say NEC/Renesas or similar for the new entry.
It's possible the one in Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) all
say Intel XXX at the moment. And the NEC will be the
first foreign branding in the Universal Serial Bus section.
The NEC driver includes a little notification that pops up
if you plug your USB3 enclosure into a USB2 port. You can
just ignore that notification, as you know the difference
already between the black and blue ports. Your nice new
shiny blue ports :-)
Paul
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I went back and looked again and found the mini CD but
I don't like the fact this may screw up everything we've done.
Robert
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There were no CD or instructions per se. Inside the box
it says no driver installation required.
https://postimg.cc/9RYTgJv5
I went to turn the 780 off and it said had an update
1 of 1 so I let it finish and it then shut down. Then I
restarted the computer to see if that was to load the
drivers for the ByteCC card? It didn't
I tested the USB 3.0 port with the Patriot and it didn't
see it but the front USB 2.0 did. The Patriot itself is 3.0.
I think I'm going to stay with the front USB 2.0 ports for
the mrimgs. It's much more convenient with my setup. It's
pretty tight here and I much prefer plugging into the
the computer versus externals.
I certainly don't want to mess things up just for USB3.0
ports after all the work we did!
So how about I just put it back the way it was?
Robert
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says no driver installation required.
https://postimg.cc/9RYTgJv5
btw those instructions were for a external case they used
to ship the ByteeCC card in.
Robert
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I removed the card then restarted the computer and
it said it was loading drivers and I had to re-start the
computer. So I restarted it and everything looks OK.
I'm going to run mrimgs on both computers now.
Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert
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I ran mrimgs on both computers and completed successfully.
The 780 was extremely fast! I started it and came in a few
minutes later to check on it and it was done! We did a good
job in cleaning the hard drive.
Again, many, many thanks for all your good help.
Robert
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On 12/16/2021 12:47 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
I loaded the CD and started the driver download
but it wouldn't complete because it required to be
on the Admin Account.
https://postimg.cc/56j845h1 Need admin for driver install
So I tried again
https://postimg.cc/dZ3Z0vSn Autorun Renesas driver
https://postimg.cc/qgv3wXMn Expected UAC prompt
https://postimg.cc/3yhyv2ck InstallShield dialog
https://postimg.cc/sMdxkpyT EULA tick box and Next
https://postimg.cc/Y48SLZFP Finally, the Install button.
https://postimg.cc/Btjvthnh Copyfiles stage.
https://postimg.cc/XGpnGJ4Z Error 1309. D:\Files\rusb3ver.dll 50680 bytes?
At this point I think I'm just going to remove the
ByteeCC card. It's not worth it to maybe screw up
the 780.
Robert
The final destination for that file is C:\Program Files\Renesas Electronics
rusb3ver.dll <=== missing
Application
rusb3mon.exe \___ Lower right corner tray messages
rusb3mon.dll /
Driver <=== rusb3hub.inf, rusb3xhc.inf, and friends
*******
OK, lets look at my CD.
InstallShield 2010 SP1 Projects-120928.zip 998,440 bytes <=== rusbver.dll is in here
Setup.exe 10,142,928 bytes <=== (driver hidden in here)
setup.iss 633 bytes
You can copy those items off the CD and use the
driver setup at any time later. Using some ZIP
tool, you'd need to do a "Verify" to see if the
ZIP has a good or bad status and that's why it
cannot pull a copy of rusbver.dll out of there.
Name: rusb3ver.dll
Size: 50680 bytes (49 KiB)
SHA1: A1A2C4312FA32FB411FF66D0384AD113597A5ECC
My driver CD is version 3.0.23.0.
Mine is a Siig brand card, but the electrical design will
be very very similar to yours.
*******
The box may say:
"Needs no driver"
but what they really mean is:
"Needs no driver if you're using W8/W8.1/W10"
Windows 7 needs that driver, and that is why the
CD is in the box.
The CD should cover WinXP, Vista, and Windows 7.
Later hardwares, like if you bought an Asmedia-based card,
the driver would only cover Windows 7. There is lots of
hardware now, where WinXP and Vista were dropped.
Windows 7 is as low as the support goes now, and
there are even cases where Windows 7 is no longer
supported.
Paul
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I just didn't know how to proceed and from
what you said about possibly screwing up the
780 so even you couldn't fix it I aborted it.
I appreciate you helping me to try and get it up
and running and normally I would but actually I
don't feel I need USB 3.0 on the 780 because we
cleaned the hd so well that it was lighting fast.
Also it was in a very awkward location in the rear
on the bottom.
I know we can put a tray in the front but this is
getting too involved just for USB 3.0. It's not
worth it. I would rather just leave everything as
is after all our hard work.
I realize the Win 7 won't be available in some
downloads in the future because it's no longer
supported by Microsoft. Maybe the CD doesn't
support Win 7 and that's why it failed?
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Thu Dec 16 20:21:03 2021
On 12/16/2021 7:45 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I just didn't know how to proceed and from
what you said about possibly screwing up the
780 so even you couldn't fix it I aborted it.
I appreciate you helping me to try and get it up
and running and normally I would but actually I
don't feel I need USB 3.0 on the 780 because we
cleaned the hd so well that it was lighting fast.
Also it was in a very awkward location in the rear
on the bottom.
I know we can put a tray in the front but this is
getting too involved just for USB 3.0. It's not
worth it. I would rather just leave everything as
is after all our hard work.
I realize the Win 7 won't be available in some
downloads in the future because it's no longer
supported by Microsoft. Maybe the CD doesn't
support Win 7 and that's why it failed?
Thanks,
Robert
Well, the NEC chips were invented quite a while
ago. They were the *first* USB3 chips. That's
why they have a WinXP driver. Of all the brands,
this is the brand I expect the longest driver support.
And that is partially because for W8/W8.1/W10/W11
the support is right in the OS and no longer needs
user assistance.
No, I was making a general comment about the hardware
installation business. You have to read the
instructions, at least long enough to see if there
are any warnings about driver first or driver last,
when it's time to putting the card in. Some hardwares,
they can "pick up the wrong driver", a bad driver
which is already inside the OS. The instructions
can have a warning about that, so the user follows
the correct order of install.
I don't think there are any phantom XHCI drivers
hiding in Windows 7. For all the USB3 I've installed
here (three of them), it's always taken a driver package
from somewhere. For the other machine (the one I use
for test now), the OSes on it so far, have all the
drivers (Win10, Win11).
If there is no conflict over slot usage (you have
quite a few PCIe x1 cards), you could leave the
ByteCC in there. I think you could even give the
drivers another chance. It's just a question of whether
the CD is fully readable or not. It should be able to
get that file, but the file is probably inside a ZIP
on the disc.
My disc here for the Siig card, the CD was a pressed one,
rather than something the manufacturer burned with a
DVD burner. Normally, that means a good quality image
that is easy to read. It takes rewritable media and
careless reproduction, to make a disc in the box that
won't work. Usually the pressing plants are pretty
good about quality control, even when they're getting
less than a dollar a disc. The minimum quantity is around
10,000 discs or so.
Paul
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I just have too much going on right now and we've
accomplished getting the 6TB external hd up and running
and the mrimgs and created new CD's and cleaned the 780 hd.
So all is well.
I followed the instructions,.. and it failed.
I don't want to maybe screw up the 780 doing this
after all the work we did because its not needed and I
won't be using it on the rear/bottom of the computer
anyway (which is on the floor).
I'll stay with what I have.
Thanks,
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Dec 17 03:19:34 2021
On 12/16/2021 11:42 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
The 8500 is an excellent computer and the 780 is a good
auxiliary backup computer. The 780 uses the original 15 inch
Dell flat screen monitor that came with the 8200 so in a sense
the 8200 is still with us. The 8500 came with a 32 inch Dell
monitor.
However, I was going to say maybe this time next year I may
get a refurbished Dell computer and put in a Win 7 2TB hd clone
hd from the 8500 in case the motherboard in the 8500 ever goes
out; or maybe a blank 2TB HD, that could I restore the drive with
a mrimg?
Is that possible?
https://www.staples.com/refurbished+computers+with+windows+7/directory_refurbished+computers+with+windows+7
what do you think of this one?
https://www.staples.com/Refurbished-Dell-7010-SFF-Desktop-Core-i5-3-2Ghz-16GB-RAM-2TB-HDD-Windows-10-Pro/product_2446392
Robert
For your first item, the query is not possible.
Windows 7 Refurbisher stopped being ship-able maybe a year ago.
There are terms in the Refurbisher package that define when
it can be used.
The machines Staples are showing you, are all Windows 10 Refurbisher.
If you want Windows 7 Refurbisher, those were leaking via Ebay
and seemingly "private sellers". They weren't coming from the
larger operations like JoySystems. You would not know what "grade" the
machines were - grade A with no scuffs, grade B with kick marks and busted
PCI slot retention plate, and so on. Everyone who sells refurbs uses poetic license when it comes to grade, but some companies are worse at it than
others. An Ebay seller can put any terms they want in the advert.
*******
In the second example, the problem I have with SFF machines, is
replacing the power supply. Full sized desktops, the ATX supply is
stocked in a ton of places, and is relatively easy to get. SFF or USFF
machines are small and cramped inside. When you want to fit the ByteCC
card in one, you have to get out your screwdriver and fit the
smaller faceplate on it. Sometimes it is hard to find video cards that are short both vertically and horizontally, to fit in a USFF. Whereas
a full size machine gives you more options.
Your Dell XPS 8500 is fitted with OEM DELL Win7. The OS could be transferred
to another Dell computer which is SLIC activated, as far as I know. The drivers could differ, and Macrium (perhaps the paid version), has a capability to change the drivers on a restore, so the OS can be moved to another OEM
machine of the same brand.
Your Dell OS won't run on a Lenovo machine, because it is a different OEM,
and the SLIC table declares the machine is a certain company and
the OS won't run unless the SLIC table name matches the OS name (Dell=Dell).
*******
To a first order approximation, acquiring another refurb is like a
totally independent machine. It will live on its own. It's unlikely
to be swapping boot drives with some other machine in your fleet.
While it is always possible you may succeed at one of these transitions,
from a planning perspective, the worst case it is won't work. Then you
have to run the machine with the OS provided on its hard drive.
Which today, is Windows 10.
And Windows 11 is not an option, since the hardware requirements are not
met today by refurbs. It might take a few more years, before refurbs that
are "Win11 Ready" start to appear as Refurbished machines.
It is unlikely you will see an XPS 8500 as a used machine in good order.
When the motherboard on my WinXP machine went out, I took a quick look and
it didn't look like I would find a motherboard close enough to the one I had.
Paul
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So just go with what I have and hope the motherboard lasts
otherwise I have no choice but to go to Win10? correct?
I agree, I wouldn't be able to find another 8500.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Dec 17 10:13:43 2021
On 12/17/2021 4:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
So just go with what I have and hope the motherboard lasts
otherwise I have no choice but to go to Win10? correct?
I agree, I wouldn't be able to find another 8500.
Robert
I don't have a good "guaranteed" strategy for continuity
in a Microsoft ecosystem. It's easier to do that with
Linux.
Windows 10 is a bit better about being moved between
machines. But it can still come up and say it is Not Activated
and, stay that way. But at least the driver situation is
a bit improved on Windows 10. I don't think Windows 7 holds
up quite as well when moved.
Paul
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I take it back, I just checked and I
have a spare bootable Win 7 hd for
the 780.
Robert
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Robert in CA on Fri Dec 17 17:31:23 2021
On 12/17/2021 3:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
I thought we talked before about moving one
of my cloned Win 7 hd's from the 8500 to a Dell
9020 ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=dell+9020+computer,+12gb+ram&sxsrf=AOaemvIRUL0dqc6uR0CJJ-ABDLoUzIB0yg:1639771193753&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqqJDcz-v0AhWDDjQIHadmDTAQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1663&bih=894&dpr=1#spd=11358425375977034080
I'm just trying to think beyond the 8500. The trouble
is I have just too much on my plate and I have to wait
till next year sometime before I buy anything.
We've already have the 6TB external hd and CD's
and also the (2) power supplies which you said I
could use for either computer. Plus we have spare
bootable Win 7 hds for the 8500, and spare bootable
Win10 hd's for the 8500. It was a good thing you
took me through the process while it was still available.
I don't have any spare hd's for the 780 just the mrimgs.
Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert
I think you're prepared from a "valuable data" perspective.
Those backups of yours, probably have your email database or
mailboxes in them, so if you need to "transfer control" to the
780, you can.
But when my WinXP machine died, I really haven't been
able to move anything in a "Plug and Go" sense. Sure,
I have a new motherboard and new setup on it, but I
have "none of the conveniences of home". It's just
a machine, sitting there, waiting for me to reinstall
a lot of software.
I have had power supply failures here. The original HEC
supply from the year 2000. Several Antec supplies
(with leaking capacitors). The current generations
of supplies don't have leaking caps and have held up
quite well. Even the fans on them have been stellar
performers (have outlasted any reasonable expectation).
And yet, I still have a spare ATX here. When my refrigerator
died, I ran the car thermoelectric picnic cooler off that
ATX :-) So it's not wasted as a power source :-)
I want you to get some value out of this stuff. At the
rate you're going, your junk room will be as full as mine.
Paul
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Oh, believe me I use the 8500 extensively and plan for it to
last a long, long time as well as the 780. That's why I've taken
the steps I've done and with your good help built a good backup
system so I don't loose my data and with the spare hd's and power
supplies to keep it going.
I'm just thinking of all the changes taking place and if
the 8500 motherboard fails. Of course there's the 780
as you say and it could take over quite well.
Many thanks,
Robert
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