Hey, my old NAS box croaked the other day. I had to spend $400 ond
hardware and software to recover my data but the issue now is finding a
good new NAS solution.
Use is basically media server + backup provider.
I was happy with my old Netgear ReadyNAS idiot-proof box until it died.
Any experience with products on the market?
Hey, my old NAS box croaked the other day. I had to spend $400 ond
hardware and software to recover my data but the issue now is finding a
good new NAS solution.
Use is basically media server + backup provider.
I was happy with my old Netgear ReadyNAS idiot-proof box until it died.
Any experience with products on the market?
The genpi64 project is supposedly back up and running, so you can get newer images that need fewer updates again.
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net>wrote:
The genpi64 project is supposedly back up and running, so you can get
newer images that need fewer updates again.
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
Do you have a better URL than I have?
https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
On Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:43:17 GMT Mark Knecht wrote:<lperkins@openeye.net>
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM Laurence Perkins
wrote:
The genpi64 project is supposedly back up and running, so you can get newer images that need fewer updates again.
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
Do you have a better URL than I have?
https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
I gogled for 'genpi64 project' and got this: https://github.com/GenPi64 .
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From: Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 12:19 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
On Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:43:17 GMT Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM Laurence Perkinswrote:
<lperkins@openeye.net>
The genpi64 project is supposedly back up and running, so you can
get newer images that need fewer updates again.
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
Do you have a better URL than I have?
https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
I gogled for 'genpi64 project' and got this: https://github.com/GenPi64.
--
Regards,
Peter.
Yes, that one. I think the build.dist is the repo you want. I don't know
if they're providing finished images yet or not, but it should at least be capable of building them for you on something more powerful than the pi itself.
LMP
You might have some trouble with the kernel build, or the final image partition setup, but we're happy to help out if you just open an issue on github.</div><div><br></div><div>We do have hosted images here: <a href="https://packages.genpi64.com/"on-rpi-64bit">https://github.com/GenPi64/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit</a></div><div><br></div><div>We're actively looking for more contributors. Currently it's just 3 very busy people, so any help is good help.</div><div><br></div></div></div>
https://packages.genpi64.com/</a> -- be warned, these are not considered high quality yet. But they work well enough for the several people who've reported back to us.<br></div><div>and our readme here: <a href="https://github.com/GenPi64/gentoo-
Not a recommendation precisely but there's a guy on YouTube named Jeff Geerling that's doing a lot of that sort of thing using a Raspberry Pi and multiple SATA drives. I've just built my first RP4 box aimed at astrophotography and I'm pretty impressedwith how well the Pi works. My next project will likely be some sort of NAS box using a second Pi4 with an M.2 system drive.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:06 PM Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
impressed with how well the Pi works. My next project will likely be some sort of NAS box using a second Pi4 with an M.2 system drive.Not a recommendation precisely but there's a guy on YouTube named Jeff Geerling that's doing a lot of that sort of thing using a Raspberry Pi and multiple SATA drives. I've just built my first RP4 box aimed at astrophotography and I'm pretty
I run LizardFS and at this point Pi4s are my preferred hardware for
storage nodes. However, I don't deal with much IOPS. I tend to use
USB3 hard drives for convenience/cost. Really though SATA on a Pi4
wouldn't be super-ideal anyway due to the lack of PCIe (I think it
lacks it at least). You can find ARM SBCs that have PCIe capable of
handling an HBA which are probably better if you want a bunch of SATA
drives, though those have their downsides. If you're serious about
IOPS I'm not sure anything cheap will do the trick.
I would definitely avoid Pi2/3 for this due to the combo of 100MBps networking and USB2 and a lot of the IO goes through USB2 in the first
place. It is just not a very good setup for IO at all, and there are
much better alternatives. The Pi4 though is pretty solid as long as
you don't mind USB3 (and it has two hosts so you can basically run 4
spinning disks all-out without a performance hit until you get to the
network at least).
Gigabit network is its own bottleneck for any kind of storage. I'm
too cheap to try to use anything better, but anybody doing serious DFS
is going to want 10Gbps, or often dual 10Gbps.
--
Rich
which I don't think is available yet but will run in the $250
range without the drives. It appears that the motherboard
they designed takes the PCIe to a card with a PCIe-to-SATA
controller which is how you get better performance.
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:31 AM Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 12:19 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
On Thursday, 11 November 2021 22:43:17 GMT Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM Laurence Perkinswrote:
<lperkins@openeye.net>
The genpi64 project is supposedly back up and running, so you can
get newer images that need fewer updates again.
From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for NAS appliance?
Do you have a better URL than I have?
https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
I gogled for 'genpi64 project' and got this: https://github.com/GenPi64 . >> >
--
Regards,
Peter.
Yes, that one. I think the build.dist is the repo you want. I don't know if they're providing finished images yet or not, but it should at least be capable of building them for you on something more powerful than the pi itself.
LMP
I am one of the contributors to the new/reincarnated GenPi64 project.
The build.dist repository contains our image builder, and you should be able to run it on the raspberry pi itself, or on an x86_64 machine. I recommend using the alpha9 branch of the repository, it has the latest improvements.
It basically downloads an aarch64 stage3, and chroots into it and runs various configuration commands, including emerge to install new packages.
The builder doesn't currently setup a distcc cross-compiler for you, but there are patches available for that if you really want to give that a try. It's tricky to set up.
You might have some trouble with the kernel build, or the final image partition setup, but we're happy to help out if you just open an issue on github.
We do have hosted images here: https://packages.genpi64.com/ -- be warned, these are not considered high quality yet. But they work well enough for the several people who've reported back to us.
and our readme here: https://github.com/GenPi64/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
We're actively looking for more contributors. Currently it's just 3 very busy people, so any help is good help.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:06 PM Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:with how well the Pi works. My next project will likely be some sort of NAS box using a second Pi4 with an M.2 system drive.
Not a recommendation precisely but there's a guy on YouTube named Jeff Geerling that's doing a lot of that sort of thing using a Raspberry Pi and multiple SATA drives. I've just built my first RP4 box aimed at astrophotography and I'm pretty impressed
Look at the odroid HC4 - I am using 5x the older HC2 version for moosefsI run LizardFS and at this point Pi4s are my preferred hardware for
storage nodes. However, I don't deal with much IOPS. I tend to use
USB3 hard drives for convenience/cost. Really though SATA on a Pi4
wouldn't be super-ideal anyway due to the lack of PCIe (I think it
lacks it at least). You can find ARM SBCs that have PCIe capable of
handling an HBA which are probably better if you want a bunch of SATA
drives, though those have their downsides. If you're serious about
IOPS I'm not sure anything cheap will do the trick.
I would definitely avoid Pi2/3 for this due to the combo of 100MBps networking and USB2 and a lot of the IO goes through USB2 in the first
place. It is just not a very good setup for IO at all, and there are
much better alternatives. The Pi4 though is pretty solid as long as
you don't mind USB3 (and it has two hosts so you can basically run 4
spinning disks all-out without a performance hit until you get to the
network at least).
Gigabit network is its own bottleneck for any kind of storage. I'm
too cheap to try to use anything better, but anybody doing serious DFS
is going to want 10Gbps, or often dual 10Gbps.
Look at the odroid HC4 - I am using 5x the older HC2 version for moosefs
- they are USB3 based but work well in this application. They are arm32
but 64bit is not needed.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 12:35 AM William Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Look at the odroid HC4 - I am using 5x the older HC2 version for moosefs
- they are USB3 based but work well in this application. They are arm32
but 64bit is not needed.
I like the idea behind the HC series Odroids, but being limited to 1-2
drives per node seems a bit contraining. With the USB3 approach there
really is no limit to how many drives I can put on a node, as long as
I don't mind the performance drop. I'm more concerned with static
storage capacity in this case. If you're using 1Gbps ethernet then I
guess two drives is already going to saturate the network if they're
able to read sequentially.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 12:35 AM William Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Look at the odroid HC4 - I am using 5x the older HC2 version for moosefsI like the idea behind the HC series Odroids, but being limited to 1-2
- they are USB3 based but work well in this application. They are arm32
but 64bit is not needed.
drives per node seems a bit contraining. With the USB3 approach there
really is no limit to how many drives I can put on a node, as long as
I don't mind the performance drop. I'm more concerned with static
storage capacity in this case. If you're using 1Gbps ethernet then I
guess two drives is already going to saturate the network if they're
able to read sequentially.
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