Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from this list - 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice, most of the others six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out There having
such a hard time with it?

--
Regards,
Peter.

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On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from this list - 19
of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice, most of the others
six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out There having such a hard time with it?

Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system?

There's possibly one subscriber that has configured their
Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and
forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn't done correctly
and so "SPF" checks run by Gmail are failing.

I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in November
but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because it quoted
some of the error messages.

--
Nuno Silva

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On Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:00:29 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from this list
- 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice, most of the others six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out There

having

such a hard time with it?

Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system?

I don't know - I haven't received it as far as I know. The only archive
entries I've found are of this conversation.

There's possibly one subscriber that has configured their
Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn't done correctly
and so "SPF" checks run by Gmail are failing.

Hmm. Would that cause the message to me to fail, in particular?

I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in November
but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because it quoted
some of the error messages.

--
Regards,
Peter.

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Hi, (i'm a endUser) i try to remove NetworkManager but it's seems to
have somes dependencies with cinnamon-control-center ? It's possible
without break cinnamon or worst ...?

Cheers.

Rumpelstilschien

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You should start a new thread for your topic, instead of replying to an existing thread to avoid messing up messages listed by thread.

Regarding your question: Cinnamon has a hardwired dependency on networkmanager. I understand you can mask the networkmanager service or
remove it, but bits of it remain (nm-applet) and have to be disabled. Have a look here:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/555630/how-can-i-get-rid-of-the-networkmanager-applet-if-i-use-wicd

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cinnamon#Disable_the_NetworkManager_applet


On Saturday, 14 January 2023 10:41:56 GMT mehdi chemloul wrote:

Hi, (i'm a endUser) i try to remove NetworkManager but it's seems to
have somes dependencies with cinnamon-control-center ? It's possible
without break cinnamon or worst ...?

Cheers.

Rumpelstilschien

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On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 10:25:27 +0000
Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:00:29 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from
this list
- 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice,
most of the others six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out
There

having

such a hard time with it?

Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system?

I don't know - I haven't received it as far as I know. The only
archive entries I've found are of this conversation.

This seems like it might be a problem. A lot of the time when I get
"weird bounces" for messages for a mailing list, it isn't the list, but somewhere down the line, which is bouncing because they either aren't
properly handling mailing lists, or something else (like in this
example given, failing to properly handle forwarding "bouncing onward"
sort of as the PINE parlance was used) list messages.

There's possibly one subscriber that has configured their
Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn't done
correctly and so "SPF" checks run by Gmail are failing.

Hmm. Would that cause the message to me to fail, in particular?

The message *to* you? I don't think so. Or it might be someone
sending from a server which somehow throws something into the header
that causes it to be bounced that the list manager doesn't properly
deal with?

I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in
November but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because
it quoted some of the error messages.

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Send again

David

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 19:50 Jigme Datse <jrasku@armispiansystems.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 10:25:27 +0000
Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:00:29 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from
this list
- 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice,
most of the others six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out
There

having

such a hard time with it?

Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system?

I don't know - I haven't received it as far as I know. The only
archive entries I've found are of this conversation.

This seems like it might be a problem. A lot of the time when I get
"weird bounces" for messages for a mailing list, it isn't the list, but somewhere down the line, which is bouncing because they either aren't properly handling mailing lists, or something else (like in this
example given, failing to properly handle forwarding "bouncing onward"
sort of as the PINE parlance was used) list messages.

There's possibly one subscriber that has configured their Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn't done
correctly and so "SPF" checks run by Gmail are failing.

Hmm. Would that cause the message to me to fail, in particular?

The message *to* you? I don't think so. Or it might be someone
sending from a server which somehow throws something into the header
that causes it to be bounced that the list manager doesn't properly
deal with?

I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in
November but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because
it quoted some of the error messages.

<div dir="auto">Send again<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">David</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 19:50 Jigme Datse &lt;<a href="mailto:jrasku@armispiansystems.ca">jrasku@
armispiansystems.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 10:25:27 +0000<br>
Peter Humphrey &lt;<a href="mailto:peter@prh.myzen.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">peter@prh.myzen.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; On Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:00:29 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:  <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello list,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ever since the new year I&#39;ve been getting a bounce message from<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; this list<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; - 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; most of the others six times. The message was 200359.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I don&#39;t know what that message was, but why is the system Out<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; There   <br>
&gt; having<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; such a hard time with it?  <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system?  <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know - I haven&#39;t received it as far as I know. The only<br>
&gt; archive entries I&#39;ve found are of this conversation.<br>

This seems like it might be a problem.  A lot of the time when I get<br> &quot;weird bounces&quot; for messages for a mailing list, it isn&#39;t the list, but<br>
somewhere down the line, which is bouncing because they either aren&#39;t<br> properly handling mailing lists, or something else (like in this<br>
example given, failing to properly handle forwarding &quot;bouncing onward&quot;<br>
sort of as the PINE parlance was used) list messages.  <br>

&gt; &gt; There&#39;s possibly one subscriber that has configured their<br> &gt; &gt; Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and<br>
&gt; &gt; forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn&#39;t done<br> &gt; &gt; correctly and so &quot;SPF&quot; checks run by Gmail are failing.  <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hmm. Would that cause the message to me to fail, in particular?<br>

The message *to* you?  I don&#39;t think so.  Or it might be someone<br> sending from a server which somehow throws something into the header<br>
that causes it to be bounced that the list manager doesn&#39;t properly<br> deal with?  <br>

&gt; &gt; I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in<br> &gt; &gt; November but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because<br>
&gt; &gt; it quoted some of the error messages.  <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>

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On 2023-01-14, Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:00:29 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from this list >> > - 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice, most of >> > the others six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out There

having

such a hard time with it?

Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system?

I don't know - I haven't received it as far as I know. The only archive entries I've found are of this conversation.

And *now* I haven't received one of these messages I was talking about
(which would usually appear for every post of mine to the list, albeit
possibly delayed by a few hours), so I guess either the forwarding
problem was fixed or that person is not subscribed to the list anymore.

There's possibly one subscriber that has configured their
Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and
forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn't done correctly
and so "SPF" checks run by Gmail are failing.

Hmm. Would that cause the message to me to fail, in particular?

No, in the case I was writing about, it'd only cause you to get these
failure messages/reports delivered to you, I think precisely because of
the incorrect Microsoft forwarding implementation that'd present you as
the sender.

So it is delivery *to* you that's failing? Hm, seeing you mentioned one
of these message numbers that are internal to the list, I think I now understand what kind of bounce message you're talking about, sorry for
the confusion.

Now was there (I recall asking about this previously, but I forgot what
the answer was) a way to get a message-ID from that internal number, or
at least a way to get the address of the message's archive copy on the
gentoo website?

I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in November
but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because it quoted
some of the error messages.

--
Nuno Silva

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On Wednesday, 18 January 2023 08:59:21 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

And *now* I haven't received one of these messages I was talking about
(which would usually appear for every post of mine to the list, albeit possibly delayed by a few hours), so I guess either the forwarding
problem was fixed or that person is not subscribed to the list anymore.

I've just had another one.

[...]

So it is delivery *to* you that's failing? Hm, seeing you mentioned one
of these message numbers that are internal to the list, I think I now understand what kind of bounce message you're talking about, sorry for
the confusion.

Now was there (I recall asking about this previously, but I forgot what
the answer was) a way to get a message-ID from that internal number, or
at least a way to get the address of the message's archive copy on the
gentoo website?

I haven't found it, if so.

--
Regards,
Peter.

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On 1/18/23 06:44, Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Wednesday, 18 January 2023 08:59:21 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

[ .... ]

Now was there (I recall asking about this previously, but I forgot what
the answer was) a way to get a message-ID from that internal number, or
at least a way to get the address of the message's archive copy on the
gentoo website?

I haven't found it, if so.

Some time back I traded some emails with a sysadmin about this, and I'm
pretty sure there is no way to make that translation.  The number is
internal to the list software database and is apparently not surfaced
anywhere except such messages.  In my case, I was usually able to to to
the archive page for the list, and by displaying as messages (instead of threads) identify the one I never received.

Jack

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:51:10 -0500, Jack wrote:

Now was there (I recall asking about this previously, but I forgot
what the answer was) a way to get a message-ID from that internal
number, or at least a way to get the address of the message's
archive copy on the gentoo website?

I haven't found it, if so.

Some time back I traded some emails with a sysadmin about this, and I'm pretty sure there is no way to make that translation.  The number is internal to the list software database and is apparently not surfaced anywhere except such messages.  In my case, I was usually able to to to
the archive page for the list, and by displaying as messages (instead
of threads) identify the one I never received.

You can also request redelivery of messages based on the internal numbers
if you follow the help advice in all list message headers.


--
Neil Bothwick

Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off NOW!

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On 1/18/23 8:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:

You can also request redelivery of messages based on the internal
numbers if you follow the help advice in all list message headers.

The problem is that if the message is rejected because of filtering the
first time around, there's a very good chance that it will also be
filtered on subsequent re-delivery requests.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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Grant Taylor wrote:

On 1/18/23 8:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:

You can also request redelivery of messages based on the internal
numbers if you follow the help advice in all list message headers.

The problem is that if the message is rejected because of filtering
the first time around, there's a very good chance that it will also be filtered on subsequent re-delivery requests.

I might add, in the past I followed the instructions to get bounced
messages, I've never once had it work.  I don't get a error or anything either, like I do if I do something wrong doing something else. 

Just a FYI. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Dave

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 18:20 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

Grant Taylor wrote:

On 1/18/23 8:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:

You can also request redelivery of messages based on the internal
numbers if you follow the help advice in all list message headers.

The problem is that if the message is rejected because of filtering
the first time around, there's a very good chance that it will also be filtered on subsequent re-delivery requests.

I might add, in the past I followed the instructions to get bounced
messages, I've never once had it work. I don't get a error or anything either, like I do if I do something wrong doing something else.

Just a FYI.

Dale

:-) :-)

<div dir="auto"><br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Dave</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 18:20 Dale &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalek1967@gmail.com">rdalek1967@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Grant Taylor wrote:<br>
&gt; On 1/18/23 8:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; You can also request redelivery of messages based on the internal<br> &gt;&gt; numbers if you follow the help advice in all list message headers.<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; The problem is that if the message is rejected because of filtering<br> &gt; the first time around, there&#39;s a very good chance that it will also be<br>
&gt; filtered on subsequent re-delivery requests.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>


I might add, in the past I followed the instructions to get bounced<br> messages, I&#39;ve never once had it work.  I don&#39;t get a error or anything<br>
either, like I do if I do something wrong doing something else. <br>

Just a FYI. <br>

Dale<br>

:-)  :-) <br>

</blockquote></div>

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On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from this list - 19
of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice, most of the others
six times. The message was 200359.

I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out There having such a hard time with it?

Did the bounce report you got reproduce any reason/message from the
system it failed to deliver the message to? This message was
particularly quite large, so it could be simply that... 200359 didn't
make it to Gmane or marc.info either.

200359 is:
Message-ID: <67f4d690-1005-a4d6-abba-c685fd4afe6c@youngman.org.uk>

And is about 20MB big (owing to the attached build.log).

On the Gentoo website: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/dd1fc2d5d273f8590d73302748f2cda7

(Note that if you request the message and it does get delivered to you,
the Date: field differs between what you get and the archived copy on
the Gentoo website.)

--
Nuno Silva

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On Thursday, 19 January 2023 08:56:41 GMT Nuno Silva wrote:

Did the bounce report you got reproduce any reason/message from the
system it failed to deliver the message to?

No, just the standard list of message numbers.

This message was particularly quite large, so it could be simply that... 200359 didn't make it to Gmane or marc.info either.

200359 is:
Message-ID: <67f4d690-1005-a4d6-abba-c685fd4afe6c@youngman.org.uk>

And is about 20MB big (owing to the attached build.log).

On the Gentoo website:
https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/

dd1fc2d5d273f8590d73302748f2cda7

Good detective work - thanks Nuno.

I'll see it it's my ISP who's bouncing the message. After that I don't know where to look next.

--
Regards,
Peter.

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On 1/18/23 4:19 PM, Dale wrote:

I might add, in the past I followed the instructions to get bounced
messages, I've never once had it work. I don't get a error or anything either, like I do if I do something wrong doing something else.

I tried it a few times.

I'd see mail log entries where the re-sent messages would fail the same
way that the original sent message failed. :-/



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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Grant,

On Thursday, 2023-01-19 22:59:48 -0700, you wrote:

...
I tried it a few times.

I'd see mail log entries where the re-sent messages would fail the same
way that the original sent message failed. :-/

Me too :-(

But isn't this changeable? It's a list maintained by Gentoo.Org, after
all. Gentoo is famous for its customizability, but the organization of
its mailing lists is not adaptable to new requirements? Does this mail-
ing software run under Windows?

Either these mail identification numbers should be somehow visible and
in particular searchable at

https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/

or the mail that some mail couldn't be delivered should contain more in- formation like author, date and subject.

DOES REALLY NOBODY CARE?

Sincerely,
Rainer

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On 1/20/23 2:07 AM, Dale wrote:

It could be the OP is running into the same problem I have in the
past, whatever that problems is.

My experience is that this is a combination of advanced email protection
on the sender /and/ the receiver.

E.g. the sending domain's email configuration specifies very specific
locations combined with a receiving domain's email configuration
honoring what the sending domain publishes. Thus when a message passes
through a 3rd party, saying a mailing list, the recipient refuses to
accept the message because it's not from where the sender says the
message is authorized to come from.

There's a lot of minutia to this and lots of ways that this can fail.

Yes, there are some things that the Gentoo Users mailing list can
change, but do to various reasons, this isn't done all the time.

I might add, I don't recall seeing anything that leads me to believe
I actually missed any messages. I tent to follow most threads and
I don't recall ever seeing a quoted message that I don't have the
original of.

My experience is similar.

It's odd in my opinion. Maybe someone will figure it out.

I think it's been figured out. This is where "this isn't done all the
time" comes into play.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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On Friday, 20 January 2023 14:44:24 GMT Grant Taylor wrote:

On 1/20/23 2:07 AM, Dale wrote:

It's odd in my opinion. Maybe someone will figure it out.

I think it's been figured out. This is where "this isn't done all the
time" comes into play.

I'm still getting bounce messages the same as all year.

--
Regards,
Peter.

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On 1/20/23 9:09 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:

I'm still getting bounce messages the same as all year.

Different meaning of "all the time".

- Not all sending domains use advanced security.

- Not all receiving domains use advanced security.

- Not all mailing lists account for advanced security.

It's the overlap of those three things that suggest if a message will be bounced or accepted.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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On Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:33:50 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Thursday, 19 January 2023 09:30:34 GMT I wrote:

I'll see it it's my ISP who's bouncing the message.

It looks as though they did reject the mail. I asked them please to let it through just this once, and now it's sitting on their server (my ISP's). Unfortunately, my local postfix is rejecting it because it's over "a fixed limit". I tried turning up the two likely-looking limits in /etc/postfix/ bounce.cf.default, but that just removed the error message - the mail remained at my ISP.

What else can I try?

I use fetchmail to collect the POP3 mail and forward it to postfix for dovecot to serve as SMTP. This is the first trouble I've had with it and external mail.

If you want to try an old school approach, but with a more modern encryption method, you could try 'openssl s_client' and then list messages and retrieve the one you're interested in. Something like this:

openssl s_client -connect pop.some_server.com:995 -crlf -starttls pop3

then use server commands[1] as you would over a telnet connection, e.g.

USER peter

PASS s3cr3tPa77

STAT
LIST
RETR 5
DELE 5
QUIT

The TOP command may also be useful if you wish to only check the top few lines of a (large) message to decide if you want to retrieve the rest of it.

TOP 5 10

Or if your ISP offer a webmail front end to their server, it should be easier to access the message with a browser.

[1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1939.txt
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On Thursday, 19 January 2023 09:30:34 GMT I wrote:

I'll see it it's my ISP who's bouncing the message.

It looks as though they did reject the mail. I asked them please to let it through just this once, and now it's sitting on their server (my ISP's). Unfortunately, my local postfix is rejecting it because it's over "a fixed limit". I tried turning up the two likely-looking limits in /etc/postfix/ bounce.cf.default, but that just removed the error message - the mail remained at my ISP.

What else can I try?

I use fetchmail to collect the POP3 mail and forward it to postfix for dovecot to serve as SMTP. This is the first trouble I've had with it and external mail.

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Regards,
Peter.

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On Sunday, 22 January 2023 23:04:43 GMT Michael wrote:

Or if your ISP offer a webmail front end to their server, it should be
easier to access the message with a browser.

Useful advice, Michael; thanks.

When I eventually found the right search terms, I went straight to the answer
I needed [1].

Meanwhile, I used webmail to delete the offending message. I hope the lesson has been learnt, but I'll be ready next time if not. :)

1. https://serverfault.com/questions/327416/changing-the-maximum-mail-size-in-postfix

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Regards,
Peter.

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On 2023-01-20, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:

[...]

Either these mail identification numbers should be somehow visible and
in particular searchable at

https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/

or the mail that some mail couldn't be delivered should contain more in- formation like author, date and subject.

And Message-ID... at least that one would enable searching for the
specific message in other archives too.

(Also, why is Date different between the actual message and the web
archive under gentoo.org?)

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Nuno Silva

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