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    From p db@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 17:30:01 2023
    Wednesday, 08 February 2023

    Good evening to all the members of Debian,

    I just want to ask a question:

    Are there computers with ARM cpu's on which can run Debian?

    Awaiting your reply,

    Best Regards,

    Paolo Del Bene ☮️

    <div dir="auto">Wednesday, 08 February 2023<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Good evening to all the members of Debian,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I just want to ask a question:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">
    Are there computers with ARM cpu&#39;s on which can run Debian?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Awaiting your reply,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best Regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Paolo Del Bene
    ☮️ </div></div>

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  • From FritzS GMX@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 19:00:01 2023
    Am 08.02.2023 um 18:32 schrieb Leigh Brown <leigh@solinno.co.uk>:

    There are many computers with ARM CPUs that can run Debian. The most famous is perhaps the
    Raspberry PI, which later versions can run Debian unmodified, but there are others.

    I'd recommend starting here:

    https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/

    Debian aarch64 runs without problems on an M1 MacMini - installed in an UTM/QEMU VM, the only I missing is the graphic driver.
    AFAIK the Asahi Linux accelerated graphics is not implemented in Debian aarch64.

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    <div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Am 08.02.2023 um 18:32 schrieb Leigh Brown &lt;leigh@solinno.co.uk&gt;:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style:
    normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
    inline !important;">There are many computers with ARM CPUs that can run Debian. The most famous is perhaps the</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:
    400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-
    size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;
    float: none; display: inline !important;">Raspberry PI, which later versions can run Debian unmodified, but there are others.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
    normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
    Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-
    decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-
    space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I'd recommend starting here:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-
    style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br style="
    caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
    -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto;
    text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/</a></div></blockquote></div><br><span>
    Debian aarch64 runs without problems on an M1 MacMini - installed in an UTM/QEMU VM,&nbsp;</span><span>the only I missing is the graphic driver.&nbsp;</span><div><span>AFAIK the&nbsp;Asahi Linux&nbsp;accelerated graphics is not implemented in&nbsp;</span>
    Debian aarch64.<div></div></div></body></html>

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  • From Leigh Brown@21:1/5 to p db on Wed Feb 8 18:50:01 2023
    Hi Paolo,

    On 2023-02-08 16:26, p db wrote:
    Wednesday, 08 February 2023

    Good evening to all the members of Debian,

    I just want to ask a question:

    Are there computers with ARM cpu's on which can run Debian?

    There are many computers with ARM CPUs that can run Debian. The most
    famous is perhaps the
    Raspberry PI, which later versions can run Debian unmodified, but there
    are others.

    I'd recommend starting here:

    https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/


    Awaiting your reply,

    Best Regards,

    Paolo Del Bene ☮️

    Regards,

    Leigh.

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  • From p db@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 02:40:01 2023
    Good Evening,

    Thank you very much for your replies, finally i found an arm laptop with
    these specs:

    CPU: 64-Bit Dual-Core ARM 1.8GHz Cortex A72 and Quad-Core ARM 1.4GHz Cortex
    A53
    GPU: Quad-Core MALI T-860
    RAM: 4 GB LPDDR4 Dual Channel System DRAM Memory
    Flash: 64 GB eMMC 5.0
    Wireless: WiFi 802.11AC + Bluetooth 5.0
    One USB 3.0 and one USB 2.0 Type-A Host Ports
    USB 3.0 Type-C ports with alt-mode display out (DP 1.2) and 15W 5V 3A
    charge.
    MicroSD Card Slot: 1
    Headphone Jack: 1
    Microphone: Built-in
    Keyboard: Full Size ANSI(US) type Keyboard
    Touch-pad: Large Multi-Touch Touchpad
    Power: Input: 100~240V, Output: 5V3A
    Battery: Lithium Polymer Battery (9600mAH)
    Display: 14.1″ IPS LCD (1920 x 1080)
    Front Camera: 2.0 Megapixels
    Power Supply included, comes with both US and EU plugs
    Dimension: 329mm x 220mm x 12mm (WxDxH)
    Weight: 1.26 kg (2.78 lbs)
    Warranty: 30 days

    On which is possibile to install Debian, for the moment i haven't found an
    ARM computer to put on my office desk.

    Best Regards to all the members of Debian,

    Paolo Del Bene ☮️



    <div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Good Evening,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Thank you very much for your replies, finally i found an arm laptop with these specs:</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br><
    /div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">CPU: 64-Bit Dual-Core ARM 1.8GHz Cortex A72 and Quad-Core ARM 1.4GHz Cortex A53</span><br style="
    color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">GPU: Quad-Core MALI T-860</span><
    br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">RAM: 4 GB LPDDR4 Dual
    Channel System DRAM Memory</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,
    255,255)">Flash: 64 GB eMMC 5.0</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:
    rgb(255,255,255)">Wireless: WiFi 802.11AC + Bluetooth 5.0</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-
    size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">One USB 3.0 and one USB 2.0 Type-A Host Ports</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-
    family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">USB 3.0 Type-C ports with alt-mode display out (DP 1.2) and 15W 5V 3A charge.</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-
    color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">MicroSD Card Slot: 1</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;
    background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Headphone Jack: 1</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:
    14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Microphone: Built-in</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-
    size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Keyboard: Full Size ANSI(US) type Keyboard</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:
    montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Touch-pad: Large Multi-Touch Touchpad</span><br style="color:rgb(
    61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Power: Input: 100~240V, Output: 5V3A</span><
    br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Battery: Lithium
    Polymer Battery (9600mAH)</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,
    255,255)">Display: 14.1″ IPS LCD (1920 x 1080)</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;
    background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Front Camera: 2.0 Megapixels</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;
    font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Power Supply included, comes with both US and EU plugs</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,
    61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Dimension: 329mm x 220mm x 12mm (WxDxH)</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
    style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Weight: 1.26 kg (2.78 lbs)</span><br style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,
    255)"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Warranty: 30 days</span><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-
    serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">On which is possibile to
    install Debian, for the moment i haven&#39;t found an ARM computer to put on my office desk.</span></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
    <br></span></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Best Regards to all the members of Debian,</span></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_
    attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="color:rgb(61,61,61);font-family:montserrat,sans-serif;font-size:
    14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Paolo Del Bene ☮️ </span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="line-break:after-white-space"><div><div></div></div></div></
    blockquote></div></div>

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  • From Alan Corey@21:1/5 to p db on Thu Feb 9 03:40:01 2023
    Sounds a little like a Pinebook Pro
    https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/ I wish mine hadn't died (hinge
    crapout). As far as I know they aren't available right now doe to the
    chip shortage but that's getting to be an old story, there might be
    some around somewhere.

    I bought a mid-price Chromebook (Acer CP-513) as a replacement but I'm
    not real happy with it. It is a 64 bit ARM machine with a couple days
    battery life but it mostly runs Google Chrome OS. It can run Debian
    part time as a secondary OS, it can't run a server because Debian only
    runs part time. Mostly doesn't do xfree-86. Debian is a task running
    under Chrome I think. Mostly Android compatible, big touch screen.

    On 2/8/23, p db <id3rfix@gmail.com> wrote:
    Good Evening,

    Thank you very much for your replies, finally i found an arm laptop with these specs:

    CPU: 64-Bit Dual-Core ARM 1.8GHz Cortex A72 and Quad-Core ARM 1.4GHz Cortex A53
    GPU: Quad-Core MALI T-860
    RAM: 4 GB LPDDR4 Dual Channel System DRAM Memory
    Flash: 64 GB eMMC 5.0
    Wireless: WiFi 802.11AC + Bluetooth 5.0
    One USB 3.0 and one USB 2.0 Type-A Host Ports
    USB 3.0 Type-C ports with alt-mode display out (DP 1.2) and 15W 5V 3A
    charge.
    MicroSD Card Slot: 1
    Headphone Jack: 1
    Microphone: Built-in
    Keyboard: Full Size ANSI(US) type Keyboard
    Touch-pad: Large Multi-Touch Touchpad
    Power: Input: 100~240V, Output: 5V3A
    Battery: Lithium Polymer Battery (9600mAH)
    Display: 14.1″ IPS LCD (1920 x 1080)
    Front Camera: 2.0 Megapixels
    Power Supply included, comes with both US and EU plugs
    Dimension: 329mm x 220mm x 12mm (WxDxH)
    Weight: 1.26 kg (2.78 lbs)
    Warranty: 30 days

    On which is possibile to install Debian, for the moment i haven't found an ARM computer to put on my office desk.

    Best Regards to all the members of Debian,

    Paolo Del Bene ☮️





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    Hi Paolo,
    <br>
    <br>
    Debian iso support BIOS and EFI  in amd64 arch.<br>
    <br>
    I didn't know whether if has any arm64 arch CPU support BIOS.<br>
    <br>
    BTW: <br>
    Please reply to maillist. <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">在 2023/2/9 12:08, p db 写道:<br>
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    <div>Dear Mr. Xiao Sheng Wen,</div>
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    <div dir="auto">Thank you very much for your reply, but about
    the Phytium cpu, i don't know nothing, and to the same time
    that there's too a motherboard which supports EFI, anyway
    about EFI, there's one old problem:</div>
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    <div dir="auto"><a
    href="https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree"
    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree</a><br>
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    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il Gio 9 Feb 2023, 04:04
    xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) &lt;<a href="mailto:atzlinux@sina.com"
    rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">atzlinux@sina.com</a>&gt;
    ha scritto:<br>
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    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><a
    href="https://www.phytium.com.cn/en/" rel="noreferrer
    noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.phytium.com.cn/en/</a><br>
    <br>
    Phytium CPU support Debian, it also has motherboard which
    support EFI <br>
    with this CPU.<br>
    <br>
    在 2023/2/9 00:26, p db 写道:<br>
    &gt; Wednesday, 08 February 2023<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; Good evening to all the members of Debian,<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; I just want to ask a question:<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; Are there computers with ARM cpu's on which can run
    Debian?<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; Awaiting your reply,<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; Best Regards,<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; Paolo Del Bene ☮️<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
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    Debian QA page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=atzlinux%40sina.com">https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=atzlinux%40sina.com</a>
    Debian salsa: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://salsa.debian.org/atzlinux-guest">https://salsa.debian.org/atzlinux-guest</a>
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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 21:20:01 2023
    On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:21:23AM +0800, xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) wrote:
    Hi Paolo,

    Debian iso support BIOS and EFI  in amd64 arch.

    I didn't know whether if has any arm64 arch CPU support BIOS.

    No, not at all. The BIOS (as most people understand it) is an x86-only
    thing. There are *many* firmware implementations on various arm/arm64 platforms. The two most likely ones you'll fine on arm64 boards and
    machines are

    * U-Boot (either loading booting kernels directly, or as a limited
    EFI)
    * Tianocore (EFI only)

    You can happily boot Debian on many machines using either. In terms of
    booting the installer, there are a range of images that you can use
    for different U-Boot machines, or with EFI you should be able to use
    the standard ISOs.

    The libreboot link from Paolo is talking about ancient x86 hardware
    with coreboot, which isn't really relevant here.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could
    ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs." -- Mike Andrews

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  • From Gunnar Wolf@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 06:10:01 2023
    p db dijo [Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 05:26:18PM +0100]:
    Good evening to all the members of Debian,

    I just want to ask a question:

    Are there computers with ARM cpu's on which can run Debian?

    Awaiting your reply,

    I'm currently typing this on my ARM laptop ☺ It's somewhat
    higher-specced than the one you mentioned in your other post.

    Let me drop a link here for you:

    https://github.com/aarch64-laptops/debian-cdimage

    This is a *modified* Debian installation image, with the needed bits
    to install on a number of ARM64 laptops. The differences with Debian
    are quite minimal, mostly oriented at obtaining the firmware needed to
    get things going.

    My laptop is a Lenovo Yoga C630: this project supports also the Lenovo
    Flex 5G, which is quite simlar, a bit newer, and the newer Thinkpad
    X13S.

    Hope this information is useful to you.

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