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    From Karen Lewellen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 20 17:30:01 2023
    Hi folks,
    Admit my hands are shaking a bit as I write.
    This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail on
    users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing disabilities
    who still need basic html.
    I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in this inbox.
    making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove
    yourself, something I physically cannot do.
    so, thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a path
    to gmail firmly?
    Thanks,
    Karen

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 20 17:40:01 2023
    Am 20.11.2023 um 11:22:52 Uhr schrieb Karen Lewellen:

    This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail
    on users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their
    own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing disabilities who still need basic html.
    I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in
    this inbox.
    making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove
    yourself, something I physically cannot do.
    so, thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a
    path to gmail firmly?

    I cannot understand why people use Google's web interface when IMAP is available. They can choose the IMAP software they want and Google
    doesn't change the GUI.

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  • From Karen Lewellen@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Mon Nov 20 18:00:01 2023
    Marco,
    My guess is that you cannot understand as you are not personally embodying
    a few combination of disability experiences.
    There are many paths to inclusion fortified by the web interface that, to
    my understanding, are not equally provided by imap.
    Kare



    On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, Marco Moock wrote:

    Am 20.11.2023 um 11:22:52 Uhr schrieb Karen Lewellen:

    This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail
    on users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their
    own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing
    disabilities who still need basic html.
    I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in
    this inbox.
    making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove
    yourself, something I physically cannot do.
    so, thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a
    path to gmail firmly?

    I cannot understand why people use Google's web interface when IMAP is available. They can choose the IMAP software they want and Google
    doesn't change the GUI.



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  • From Gareth Evans@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 20 18:30:01 2023
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    On 20 Nov 2023, at 16:23, Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:

    ...

    thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a path to gmail firmly?

    Hi Karen,

    Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility. I can't remember if or how they handle graphics either.

    Roundcube, a browser-based client, may also be of interest:

    https://roundcube.net/

    but I'm not sure how it compares to Google's HTML interface for your requirements.

    Best wishes,
    Gareth


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    lt;klewellen@shellworld.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">...</div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>&nbsp;thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a path to
    gmail firmly?</span><br></div></blockquote><br><div>Hi Karen,</div><div><br></div><div>Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility. &nbsp;I can't remember if or how they handle graphics
    either.</div><div><br></div><div>Roundcube, a browser-based client, may also be of interest:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://roundcube.net/">https://roundcube.net/</a></div><div><br></div><div>but I'm not sure how it compares to Google's HTML
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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to Gareth Evans on Mon Nov 20 19:20:01 2023
    Gareth Evans wrote:
    Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility. I can't remember if or how they handle graphics either.


    There are definitely people who use mutt through a braille
    terminal. I don't know if there are people using it through a
    screen reader.

    -dsr-

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  • From Karen Lewellen@21:1/5 to Dan Ritter on Mon Nov 20 22:40:03 2023
    I personally am in the majority of those experiencing sight loss, and do
    not read braille.
    I also use Linux via a shell service, fear losing my years of gmail
    content etc.
    Add the captcha test for gmail and well.
    Kare



    On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, Dan Ritter wrote:

    Gareth Evans wrote:
    Alpine and Mutt, amongst others, are terminal-based email clients, though I can't vouch for their accessibility. I can't remember if or how they handle graphics either.


    There are definitely people who use mutt through a braille
    terminal. I don't know if there are people using it through a
    screen reader.

    -dsr-



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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to Karen Lewellen on Mon Nov 20 23:30:01 2023
    Karen Lewellen wrote:
    I personally am in the majority of those experiencing sight loss, and do not read braille.
    I also use Linux via a shell service, fear losing my years of gmail content etc.
    Add the captcha test for gmail and well.


    Those are reasons to use gmail via their IMAP interface instead
    of their website:

    - use gmail via IMAP to mutt to get a fast, keyboard-driven, pure
    character-cell mail client

    - mutt runs very well on shell services, and is probably already
    installed.

    - gmail never imposes a CAPTCHA while using the IMAP interface.

    You should try it; it might be exactly what you need.

    But I notice that you appear to be using pine right now. Why not
    switch to alpine, which is substantially the same but
    supported?

    As a bonus, it has IMAP support, so you can point it at gmail.
    Now you don't even have to learn a new client.

    -dsr-

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Karen Lewellen on Wed Nov 22 13:50:01 2023
    In this article Google seems to think using standard webmail works with
    a screen reader.

    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/90559

    It advises to turn on keyboard shortcuts.

    I suppose another option would be to use another webmail service to pick
    up email from gmail.

    Karen Lewellen wrote:
    Hi folks,
    Admit my hands are shaking a bit as I write.
    This morning google began circulating a plan to force standard gmail
    on users still keeping basic html gmail...in spite of posts on their
    own accessibility list from members around the world experiencing disabilities who still need basic html.
    I personally have a great deal of content, for work and otherwise in
    this inbox.
    making it worse for me is that one must solve a captcha to prove
    yourself, something I physically cannot do.
    so,  thinking of Debian shells or Ubuntu ones, how would you find a
    path to gmail firmly?
    Thanks,
    Karen



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