Wen't good for me on a laptop some months ago

On 2/28/23, Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them
in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

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All,

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm.
The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them
in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

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<div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually
install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.<
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Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com:

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the

dependencies.


Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed manually.

In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was upgrading from Debian 11 to 12.

Regards,

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Feb 28, 2023, 12:24 by local10@tutanota.com:

Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com:

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the

dependencies.

Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed manually.

In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was upgrading from Debian 11 to 12.

Just to add to the above:

If a package fails to upgrade, use "aptitude show <package>" to find out if the package was automatically installed. If it was then use "aptitude why <package>" to find out what manually installed package requires it, then reinstall that manually
installed package, it will automatically install all the dependencies it needs.

Regards,

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:24 AM local10 <local10@tutanota.com> wrote:

Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com:

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian

Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB
of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually
install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies.

Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed
manually.

In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was upgrading from Debian 11 to 12.

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
and that probably would have worked better.

Either way I wanted to try out Plasma Big Screen and it is running alright.
It still needs more polish. I only tested the x11 version and not the
wayland version. I will try the wayland version next.

Regards,

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:24 AM local10 &lt;<a href="mailto:local10@tutanota.com">local10@tutanota.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_
quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by <a href="mailto:timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com" target="_blank">timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com</a>:<br>

&gt; I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the
dependencies. <br>
&gt;<br>

Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 6

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 1:17 PM Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]
All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and that probably would have worked better.

Yeah, you were supposed to run full-upgrade before changing
sources.list. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade

Jeff

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On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +0000, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been
moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of
that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on
your specific needs.

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +0000, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been
moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of
that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on
your specific needs.

That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade .

Would saying "Bookworm and later releases ... <info on non-free non-free-firmware>" be an accurate statement?

Jeff

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On Tue 28 Feb 2023 at 15:35:43 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +0000, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of
that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on
your specific needs.

That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade .

Well! Get on with it. It's a wiki.

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 4:03 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue 28 Feb 2023 at 15:35:43 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +0000, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on
your specific needs.

That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade .

Well! Get on with it. It's a wiki.

Already done: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade

Someone should QA the change.

Jeff

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On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 14:52 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +0000, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been
moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of
that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on
your specific needs.

That's is the release notes too :-) (I know, there's probably only a
small minority of us who actually read the docs before upgrading.)

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On 28 February 2023 20:21:40 UTC, Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 14:52 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +0000, Tixy wrote:

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-f

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:20:20PM +0000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

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Still enough time to advertise products, still.

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On 28/02/2023 09:03, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

All,

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian
Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost
2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that
the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color
scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

I could not wait and actually upgraded last year :D Everything went
fine, I was on typical Testing flow of packages, and bugs were present (especially in KDE and Radeon graphics). Now all packages are frozen,
all bugs I was experiencing are fixed, awaiting final bug fixing and
eventually official release. 🥰

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Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

All,

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them
in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
line signal.

helping to find bugs is good though too. :)


songbird

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Worked good on my Raspberry Pi 3 with Unstable today too :)

On 3/2/23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

All,

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian
Bookworm.
The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640
packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them
in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went
relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
line signal.

helping to find bugs is good though too. :)

songbird

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Mar 3, 2023, 03:57 by songbird@anthive.com:

considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
line signal.

helping to find bugs is good though too. :)

It's a pretty decent release nevertheless. Am running Debian 12 Bookworm and it works very well for me despite some minor issues, mostly with KDE.

Regards,

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On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:57 PM songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

All,

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian

Bookworm.

The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 164

0

packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
line signal.

helping to find bugs is good though too. :)

I have been running Bullseye on my notebook for almost a year with very few problems. My sound hardware and my WiFi does not work on debian 11. My
notebook is my primary work machine and it has been working well. I look at testing as a rolling release. My media center Mini PC is all Intel and everything on it just works. I wanted to try out KDE Big Screen which is
not available in Debian 11 so I had to upgrade to Debian 12. Big Screen
works ok on Wayland. I think I am missing some application packages though.
The Sound and WiFi buttons just launch a blue screen that never actually
loads. The shutdown button works fine. All in all I like it. I started
removing unneeded software to make it more streamlined. All I really need
is Dolphin, VLC and Elisa. Watch videos and listen to music.

songbird

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:57 PM songbird &lt;<a href="mailto:songbird@anthive.com">songbird@anthive.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="
gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Timothy M Butterworth wrote:<br>
&gt; All,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm.<br>
&gt; The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640<br>
&gt; packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them<br>
&gt; in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went<br>
&gt; relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyone else have a

On Fri 03 Mar 2023 at 10:57:43 (-0500), Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:57 PM songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm.
The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.

Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
line signal.

helping to find bugs is good though too. :)

I have been running Bullseye on my notebook for almost a year with very few problems. My sound hardware and my WiFi does not work on debian 11. My notebook is my primary work machine and it has been working well. I look at testing as a rolling release. My media center Mini PC is all Intel and everything on it just works. I wanted to try out KDE Big Screen which is
not available in Debian 11 so I had to upgrade to Debian 12. Big Screen
works ok on Wayland. I think I am missing some application packages though. The Sound and WiFi buttons just launch a blue screen that never actually loads. The shutdown button works fine. All in all I like it. I started removing unneeded software to make it more streamlined. All I really need
is Dolphin, VLC and Elisa. Watch videos and listen to music.

I just tried upgrading 11→12 on a laptop of mine. The only "snag",
which was no surprise, was being left with a grub.cfg that only boots
the one, upgraded system. That was quickly rectified by grub-mkconfig
after uncommenting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in /etc/default/grub.
(Thanks for putting that commented line into the file.)

Under bullseye, there were 2015 packages, including libreoffice and
texlive. I run fvwm (now called fvwm2, apparently) with no DE/DM.
It was "pure" Debian except that xtoolwait (from squeeze) was and
still is installed.

Running buster, I copied my bullseye root filesystem to a spare
partition, and adjusted the LABELs in the new copy's fstab.
I booted it up and edited the sources list to bookworm, including
adding the new non-free-firmware.

I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get --purge autoremove,
apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get --purge autoremove again, answering
no to keep my configuration files, yes to ignore any bug reports, and
yes to restarting services (including any that might have disconnected
a remote session). It was running on wifi, but I was at the console.

Statistics for the four steps: 627 upgraded and 972 not upgraded;
75 to remove and 968 not upgraded; 967 upgraded, 245 newly installed
and 13 to remove; and 79 to remove. Every thing completed smoothly,
with no dependency problems at all.

I haven't used it in anger as I don't want to disturb my dotfiles etc,
but I checked that sound played perfectly with timidity. Obviously
I've got a number of changes to read up on, with some new packages
to look over.

Cheers,
David.

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