• Re: Plasmashell crash: debugging symbols

    From Brad Rogers@21:1/5 to piorunz on Mon Oct 23 20:50:02 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 19:19:42 +0100
    piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:

    Hello piorunz,

    Can anyone tell me, how to obtain debugging symbols for KDE, so I can >backtrace a crash with debugger properly? I use Debian Stable. Thank
    you.

    Search for packages with -dbgsym at the end. If unsure which one(s), ask
    Nate - I'm sure they won't mind.

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 20:30:01 2023
    Hello friends,

    I've reported a plasmashell crash to bugs.kde.org. Nate Graham from KDE
    has responded.

    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475779

    I provided gdb reports with backtrace, however, they are not useful,
    because I don't have debugging symbols for KArchive and Plasma.

    Can anyone tell me, how to obtain debugging symbols for KDE, so I can
    backtrace a crash with debugger properly? I use Debian Stable. Thank you.

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Brad Rogers on Mon Oct 23 21:00:01 2023
    On 23/10/2023 19:34, Brad Rogers wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 19:19:42 +0100
    piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:

    Hello piorunz,

    Can anyone tell me, how to obtain debugging symbols for KDE, so I can
    backtrace a crash with debugger properly? I use Debian Stable. Thank
    you.

    Search for packages with -dbgsym at the end. If unsure which one(s), ask Nate - I'm sure they won't mind.


    No such packages in Debian:

    $ aptitude search dbgsym
    v libc6-dbgsym
    v libc6-dbgsym:i386

    Nate Graham can't help me, has expressed his dissatisfaction.
    Please check the link to the bug where he commented.

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Grzegorz Szymaszek on Mon Oct 23 21:10:01 2023
    On 23/10/2023 19:46, Grzegorz Szymaszek wrote:
    Hi,

    On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 07:19:42PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Can anyone tell me, how to obtain debugging symbols for KDE, so I can
    backtrace a crash with debugger properly? I use Debian Stable. Thank you.

    In general, assuming you use KDE packages from official Debian archives,
    you can use either debuginfod, or plain old debug packages. Have a look
    at the Wiki: HowToGetABacktrace[1]. It includes some hints on how to
    obtain the needed debug package names. Let us know if you'll have
    further issues or if there's something to improve in that Wiki text.

    [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace


    Hi Grzegorz,

    I already have debuginfod configured, please read comments to the bug
    report, link in first post. I was not able to generate meaningful
    backtrace with what I have.

    "or plain old debug packages"

    Where I can find those?
    Thank you.

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to piorunz on Mon Oct 23 21:20:01 2023
    On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 08:08:56PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    In general, assuming you use KDE packages from official Debian archives, you can use either debuginfod, or plain old debug packages. Have a look
    at the Wiki: HowToGetABacktrace[1]. It includes some hints on how to
    obtain the needed debug package names. Let us know if you'll have
    further issues or if there's something to improve in that Wiki text.

    [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace


    Hi Grzegorz,

    I already have debuginfod configured,
    It doesn't look like it worked then.

    "or plain old debug packages"

    Where I can find those?
    The wiki page linked covers that too, in the "Installing the debugging symbols" section.

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Brad Rogers on Mon Oct 23 22:30:01 2023
    On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 07:51:54PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
    However, looking at the Debian packages web site indicates that debugsym packages are only ever in unstable
    This is definitely not true.

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  • From Cosmo@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 11:00:01 2023
    piorunz is so incompetent that he managed to discredit the whole of Debian in front of one of the prominent kde project managers. Nice job 😂

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  • From Diederik de Haas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 12:36:04 2023
    To: piorunz@gmx.com (piorunz)

    On Monday, 23 October 2023 20:19:42 CEST piorunz wrote:
    Can anyone tell me, how to obtain debugging symbols for KDE, so I can backtrace a crash with debugger properly? I use Debian Stable. Thank you.

    Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do `apt update`
    deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug bookworm-debug main non-free-firmware

    Then you will find the dbgsym packages.

    #2 0x00007fe7678a8e9b _ZN6KCrash15setCrashHandlerEPFviE (libKF5Crash.so.5 + 0x4e9b)

    With `apt-file search libKF5Crash.so.5` you'll find it belongs to the libkf5crash5 package and then do `aptitude search libkf5crash5` and you should find a package with a `-dbgsym` suffix and you install that package.
    Repeat that for all the libraries in your stacktrace and when you then generate a new stacktrace, it should contain all the info you want/need.

    HTH,
    Diederik
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  • From Grzegorz Szymaszek@21:1/5 to piorunz on Tue Oct 24 13:10:01 2023
    On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:57:46AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    This KDE guideline should definitely be improved: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Debian

    It doesn't say anything about additional debugging repository available
    in Debian! [...]

    "See also the Debian document on How to get a Backtrace." links to https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Diederik de Haas on Tue Oct 24 12:50:01 2023
    On 24/10/2023 11:36, Diederik de Haas wrote:
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 20:19:42 CEST piorunz wrote:
    Can anyone tell me, how to obtain debugging symbols for KDE, so I can
    backtrace a crash with debugger properly? I use Debian Stable. Thank you.

    Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do `apt update`
    deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug bookworm-debug main non-free-firmware

    Then you will find the dbgsym packages.

    #2 0x00007fe7678a8e9b _ZN6KCrash15setCrashHandlerEPFviE (libKF5Crash.so.5 + 0x4e9b)

    With `apt-file search libKF5Crash.so.5` you'll find it belongs to the libkf5crash5 package and then do `aptitude search libkf5crash5` and you should
    find a package with a `-dbgsym` suffix and you install that package.
    Repeat that for all the libraries in your stacktrace and when you then generate
    a new stacktrace, it should contain all the info you want/need.

    Great, thank you!
    I was able to add additional repository as you and Andrey Rakhmatullin mentioned. And now I will get to work to install all necessary dbgsym
    packages.

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Cosmo on Tue Oct 24 13:00:01 2023
    On 24/10/2023 09:51, Cosmo wrote:
    piorunz is so incompetent that he managed to discredit the whole of Debian in front of one of the prominent kde project managers. Nice job 😂


    Dear cosmo, I assume you are not a developer, because a developer would
    not have a laugh like that from incompetency of a user who tries to
    help. So if you are a Debian user, show me please how many packages and
    bugs in Debian you debugged and helped to solve?

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Andrey Rakhmatullin on Tue Oct 24 13:00:01 2023
    On 23/10/2023 20:15, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 08:08:56PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    In general, assuming you use KDE packages from official Debian archives, >>> you can use either debuginfod, or plain old debug packages. Have a look
    at the Wiki: HowToGetABacktrace[1]. It includes some hints on how to
    obtain the needed debug package names. Let us know if you'll have
    further issues or if there's something to improve in that Wiki text.

    [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace


    Hi Grzegorz,

    I already have debuginfod configured,
    It doesn't look like it worked then.

    It's working because when I first installed it in /etc/profile, it has downloaded some symbols for various crashing packages I stumbled upon in
    the last several months. I also manually launch gdb via:

    export DEBUGINFOD_URLS="https://debuginfod.debian.net" && sudo
    coredumpctl debug

    But it doesn't solve everything, it seems.

    "or plain old debug packages"

    Where I can find those?
    The wiki page linked covers that too, in the "Installing the debugging symbols" section.

    Thanks, indeed it does. Repo added! This, plus debuginfod, should
    improve my ability to debug crashing packages.

    This KDE guideline should definitely be improved: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Debian

    It doesn't say anything about additional debugging repository available
    in Debian! I relied on this source when I first configured debuginfod, installed gdb, and decided to have a go at it. I was not aware of any additional repository.

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  • From Diederik de Haas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 13:29:21 2023
    On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:16:18 CEST piorunz wrote:
    On 24/10/2023 12:03, Grzegorz Szymaszek wrote:
    On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:57:46AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    This KDE guideline should definitely be improved:
    https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_u >> seful_crash_reports#Debian

    It doesn't say anything about additional debugging repository available
    in Debian! [...]

    "See also the Debian document on How to get a Backtrace." links to https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace

    Thanks! This is my fault entirely for missing this.

    The KDE guideline links to that Debian wiki page.
    The only thing that could be improved is: 's/-dbg/-dbgsym/g'
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  • From Cosmo@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 13:40:02 2023
    Dear piorunz, what do I have to do with it? You're the one who doesn't know what he's doing...
    BTW, next time ask here without going around (unintentionally) spreading discredit on Debian

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Grzegorz Szymaszek on Tue Oct 24 13:20:01 2023
    On 24/10/2023 12:03, Grzegorz Szymaszek wrote:
    On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:57:46AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    This KDE guideline should definitely be improved:
    https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Debian

    It doesn't say anything about additional debugging repository available
    in Debian! [...]

    "See also the Debian document on How to get a Backtrace." links to https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace

    Thanks! This is my fault entirely for missing this.

    Question:
    Why there are two ways to obtain debugging symbols? I already have
    export DEBUGINFOD_URLS="https://debuginfod.debian.net", and this failed
    to resolve all problems in debugger, it seems. If debuginfod works only partially, then it should not be recommended, I would not fall into this
    trap but have added additional Debian repository instead, long time ago.

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Cosmo on Tue Oct 24 13:50:01 2023
    On 24/10/2023 12:35, Cosmo wrote:
    Dear piorunz, what do I have to do with it? You're the one who doesn't know what he's doing...

    What you have to do with it? You are laughing at my incompetence, so I
    am asking you, show my your track record, or shut up. Easy to blame
    someone, not easy to prove if you are any better.

    BTW, next time ask here without going around (unintentionally) spreading discredit on Debian

    I am reporting crashes here on Debian-KDE list very often, check my
    previous posts and threads.
    Only recently, due to lack of improvement with some crashing packages, I
    got interested in debugging and I am achieving something.

    I am still waiting for your track record, what you have done to improve
    Debian?

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  • From Diederik de Haas@21:1/5 to Cosmo on Tue Oct 24 13:41:40 2023
    Copy: debian-kde@lists.debian.org

    On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 10:51:46 CEST Cosmo wrote:
    piorunz is so incompetent that he managed to discredit the whole of Debian
    in front of one of the prominent kde project managers. Nice job 😂

    Piotr didn't read/apply the whole of the Backtrace wiki page, that's their only 'mistake'.

    You OTOH, only sent a rude, useless and patronizing reply to this list, while making assumptions about someone's competence.

    If that wasn't bad enough, you also added to the upstream bug report:
    - a rude, useless and possibly insulting message to the upstream maintainer
    - instructing them to update the *community* *wiki* page wrt Debian
    - assuming Nathan is unfamiliar with Debian "you, Mr. Graham, who doesn't know Debian at all" (another assumption, formulated quite rudely)
    - while you're factually incorrect (the KDE wiki links to the Debian wiki page with all the needed info)

    So if anything, YOU have discredited Debian.
    Please refrain from doing such things in the future.


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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Diederik de Haas on Tue Oct 24 14:00:01 2023
    On 24/10/2023 12:41, Diederik de Haas wrote:
    On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 10:51:46 CEST Cosmo wrote:
    piorunz is so incompetent that he managed to discredit the whole of Debian >> in front of one of the prominent kde project managers. Nice job 😂

    Piotr didn't read/apply the whole of the Backtrace wiki page, that's their only 'mistake'.

    Yes, for that I am sorry. I am not a developer, never written a line in
    C/C++. But I am driven by the target I want to achieve (getting a crash resolved), so every one gets better experience from using KDE, not just
    me. I am not driven by my personal ego. So, cosmo can bark all day long.

    You OTOH, only sent a rude, useless and patronizing reply to this list, while making assumptions about someone's competence.

    If that wasn't bad enough, you also added to the upstream bug report (...)

    Wow, things escalated very quickly! His reply to KDE bug is indeed very
    rude and totally not in place!

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to piorunz on Tue Oct 24 15:00:01 2023
    On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 12:16:18PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Why there are two ways to obtain debugging symbols?
    The -dbgsym packages is the official method since its introduction,
    debuginfod is newer and has some downsides, e.g. it's easier to
    pre-install all -dbgsym you could need and not worry about downloading
    symbols on demand.

    I already have export DEBUGINFOD_URLS="https://debuginfod.debian.net",
    and this failed to resolve all problems in debugger, it seems. If
    debuginfod works only partially, then it should not be recommended
    Sure, but unless someone else knows what is the cause of this problem it
    looks like you need to investigate it yourself.

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  • From Diederik de Haas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 14:18:15 2023
    On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 13:50:25 CEST piorunz wrote:
    Piotr didn't read/apply the whole of the Backtrace wiki page, that's their only 'mistake'.

    Yes, for that I am sorry.

    No need to apologize :) I put 'mistake' in quotes as I don't consider it a mistake, just a step in a learning process.
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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Andrey Rakhmatullin on Wed Oct 25 10:20:01 2023
    On 24/10/2023 13:57, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
    On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 12:16:18PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Why there are two ways to obtain debugging symbols?
    The -dbgsym packages is the official method since its introduction, debuginfod is newer and has some downsides, e.g. it's easier to
    pre-install all -dbgsym you could need and not worry about downloading symbols on demand.

    I already have export DEBUGINFOD_URLS="https://debuginfod.debian.net",
    and this failed to resolve all problems in debugger, it seems. If
    debuginfod works only partially, then it should not be recommended
    Sure, but unless someone else knows what is the cause of this problem it looks like you need to investigate it yourself.


    Hi Andrey,
    Thanks for your explanation. I will concentrate more on Debian
    repository as a source of dbgsym packages then. I was already able to
    provide more information to other unrelated crash (rasdaemon), by
    sending exact, relevant backtrace to the Debian bug report. That's
    thanks to your and other KDE group members help!

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  • From Cosmo@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 11:40:01 2023
    In data martedì 24 ottobre 2023 13:41:40 CEST, Diederik de Haas ha scritto:

    You OTOH, only sent a rude, useless and patronizing reply to this list,
    while making assumptions about someone's competence.
    ---snip---
    So if anything, YOU have discredited Debian.
    Please refrain from doing such things in the future.

    Luckily, Mr. Graham doesn't think like you: that's because Mr. Graham is a developer on the KDE Board of Directors; while you're just a bigoted, frustrated priest. 😂

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    Cosmo

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 10:40:01 2023
    Back to this, as I just hit the same problem I googled it and found https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454063
    So it looks like it should only work (in stable and later, which have
    gdb >= 12) only if WITH_GDB12 is set at the drkonqi build time. https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde/drkonqi/-/blob/master/debian/rules doesn't set it, so I think this needs to be changed.

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