Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
Unstable and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze
is coming up soon, and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma
5.27.2 and Frameworks 5.103. The newer versions fix tons of bugs
(including many Wayland bugs), so their inclusion in Debian 12 would
be supremely appreciated by Debian KDE users.
(I accidentally sent this email directly to Coufcouf and DeltaOne, I
should have posted it to the list... sorry!)
Hello,
Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
Unstable and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze is
coming up soon, and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma 5.27.2 and Frameworks 5.103. The newer versions fix tons of bugs (including many
Wayland bugs), so their inclusion in Debian 12 would be supremely
appreciated by Debian KDE users.
I see no reason why an unblock request wouldn't be granted considering
GNOME 43.4 was allowed to migrate recently, and these new versions focus
only on fixing bugs rather than adding features.
I hope you consider uploading Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
Unstable, and requesting an unblock so they can migrate to Testing and be included in Debian 12, that way Debian KDE users can have the best possible experience.
Thank you for all your hard work!
Merlin
Hi Merlin,
Merlin Cooper - 15.05.23, 16:35:59 CEST:
Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to Unstable and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze
is coming up soon, and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma
5.27.2 and Frameworks 5.103. The newer versions fix tons of bugs
(including many Wayland bugs), so their inclusion in Debian 12 would
be supremely appreciated by Debian KDE users.
Please see
bug #1035056 [pre-approval] plasma-desktop 5.27.X
https://bugs.debian.org/1035056
As well as IRC channel #debian-qt-kde
Best,
--
Martin
Hi Luc.
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.Installing as well.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
Ciao,
On top and for the record.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
I recommend against posting to the bug report, the Qt/KDE team is
doing a marvelous job at arguing in favor of having at least the
packages with changes or at least with non-cosmetic changes from
5.27.5 in Bookworm. Please let them do their job. […]
Hi Luc.
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
Installing as well.
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
Ciao,
--
Martin
Plasma 5.27.5 installed here.
% aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
% dpkg -l | grep "5\.27\.2"
[… no output …]
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
Installing as well.
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:01 AM Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:--
Hi Luc.Hi Martin, Hi Luc,
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.Installing as well.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
Can you share how you upgraded to KDE/Plasma version 5.25.5?
Thanks.
Best regards,
-Sedat-
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
Ciao,
--
Martin
No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates
extra work for me.
Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
No.
I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into Bookworm. AFAIK Frameworks consists of a lot more packages than Plasma.
I don't see how KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later can still enter Bookworm
before the release.
So I'd rather test with 5.103 for now. If that works well I intend to
give a feedback there. Then I may still decide to upgrade KF to 5.104.
I wonder whether it might be a good idea to allow for an update during
the stable cycle.
Ciao,
--
Martin
On one machine I performed a
apt upgrade -t experimental
Without limiting the set of packages to upgrade? If so, you likely have >installed all packages from experimental, possibly including some that
are really experimental. One may argue whether experimental is the right >place for bug fix updates during the release cycle, but it is used that
way. However outside of release cycle it is used for test versions of >software. So you may have installed all kinds of funny and really
unstable stuff on your system.
Don't do that!
I'd never ever do that. I posted the exact aptitude call for a reason.
However maybe I am going to refrain from posting the exact commands
again, so that people need to figure it out themselves and learn about
the possible consequences.
Anyway, you get you keep the pieces if anything breaks.
After which I needed to make few corrections on non-KDE related
packages. The machine is running fine!!
As far as you can see after just a few minutes.
Best,
--
Martin
apt upgrade -t experimental<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br>Without limiting the set of packages to upgrade? If so, you likely have <br>installed all packages from experimental, possibly including some that <br>are really experimental. Onemay argue whether experimental is the right <br>place for bug fix updates during the release cycle, but it is used that <br>way. However outside of release cycle it is used for test versions of <br>software. So you may have installed all kinds of funny
Hi Luc.
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
Installing as well.
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates >extra work for me.
Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
No.
I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into >Bookworm.
But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the
unblock bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our
case more difficult.
Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5 packages and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break more than it fixes. In particular mixing core components like kwin, libkscreen, plasmas workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.
No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates
extra work for me.
Le 19 mai 2023 09:39:52 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> a écrit :
No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates >extra work for me.
Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
No.
I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into >Bookworm.
No we have no plans for that.
The ratio of important bug fixed vs. total number of packages to upgrade isn't worth it.
If you identify specific bugs that affect you we may try and back port individual fixes.
% aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
In my email-client:
Reply: Martin Steigerwald
Reply-all: Martin Steigerwald + ML <--- My default (dropping you each
time is extra-time for me as well)
Le 19 mai 2023 09:00:37 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald<martin@lichtvoll.de> a écrit :
Hi Luc.Yes, useful for us there so we get some feedback that we're not talking nonsense when saying the new version is an improvement. 🙂
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.Installing as well.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the unblock bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our case more difficult.
Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5 packages and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break more than it fixes.
In particular mixing core components like kwin, libkscreen, plasmas workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.
We may get a signoff for some but not all packages.
Thanks all for your tests, feedback and support !
--
Aurélien
Dear
I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using:
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
Now it is running
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
Qt Version: 5.15.8
Kernel Version: 6.1.0-9-amd64 (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: X11
Processors: 12 × AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor
Memory: 31.3 GiB of RAM
Graphics Processor: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030/PCIe/SSE2
Manufacturer: BIOSTAR Group
Product Name: A320MH
Thank you very much team!!
Luc
Op 19-05-2023 om 10:09 schreef Aurélien COUDERC:
--
Le 19 mai 2023 09:00:37 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald<martin@lichtvoll.de> a écrit :
Hi Luc.Yes, useful for us there so we get some feedback that we're not talking nonsense when saying the new version is an improvement. 🙂
Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
On top and for the record.Installing as well.
I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.
But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the unblock bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our case more difficult.
Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5 packages and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break more than it fixes.
In particular mixing core components like kwin, libkscreen, plasmas workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.
We may get a signoff for some but not all packages.
Thanks all for your tests, feedback and support !
--
Aurélien
m.vr.gr.
Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.castermans@gmail.com
Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans<luc.castermans@gmail.com> a crit :
Dear
I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, >using:
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see
the point.
I installed Frameworks 104. All looks great!
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
Hi,
Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 14:41:44 CEST:
Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans ><luc.castermans@gmail.com> a écrit :
Dear
I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later,
using:
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see
the point.
The version you specify is the version you like to upgrade to
experimental. So 103 is about right.
I will postpone upgrading to 5.104 a bit longer. So far all is fine and >Plasma 5.27.5 works nicely.
Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 14:41:44 CEST:
Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans ><luc.castermans@gmail.com> a écrit :
Dear
I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later,
using:
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see
the point.
The version you specify is the version you like to upgrade to
experimental. So 103 is about right.
I will postpone upgrading to 5.104 a bit longer. So far all is fine and >Plasma 5.27.5 works nicely.
Thanks,
--
Martin
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><pre class="k9mail"><div dir="auto">Hi,<br><br>Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 14:41:44 CEST:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto">Le 19 mai 2023 13:
indeed. The command should have contained 104 instead of 103
I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using:
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
------9UFMXAU9TMMGR03I9TXUUH3JSZEINGI just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using: >>
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
I hadn't upgraded to those packages, but earlier today I did reboot my laptop >and when I logged in, my desktop was completely blank and no longer had the >icons and plasma widgets I had on them.
After doing `aptitude safe-upgrade '~i~V5\.27\.2' -t experimental` and another
reboot (maybe a logout/login would be sufficient; we'll never know), I had my >normal desktop back.
I haven't yet tried upgrade Frameworks, but the Plasma package update >definitely fixed an issue on my laptop.
Cheers,
Diederik
</pre></blockquote></div></body></html> ------9UFMXAU9TMMGR03I9TXUUH3JSZEING--
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 307 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 73:18:51 |
| Calls: | 6,915 |
| Files: | 12,382 |
| Messages: | 5,432,368 |