• Akonadi using 100% CPU resources

    From piorunz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 02:20:01 2022
    Hi all,

    I noticed that akonadi services are using 100% of 16-core CPU resources
    on my machine. I don't even use Kmail, I use Thunderbird. I'm not even
    sure what akonadi is for. I have following packages installed:

    $ dpkg -l | grep akonadi | awk {'print $2'}
    akonadi-backend-mysql
    akonadi-contacts-data
    akonadi-mime-data
    akonadi-server
    kmailtransport-akonadi:amd64
    libkf5akonadi-data
    libkf5akonadiagentbase5:amd64
    libkf5akonadicalendar-data
    libkf5akonadicalendar5abi1:amd64
    libkf5akonadicontact5:amd64
    libkf5akonadicore5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadimime5:amd64
    libkf5akonadinotes5:amd64
    libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadisearch-bin
    libkf5akonadisearch-data
    libkf5akonadisearch-plugins:amd64
    libkf5akonadisearchcore5:amd64
    libkf5akonadisearchdebug5:amd64
    libkf5akonadisearchpim5:amd64
    libkf5akonadisearchxapian5:amd64
    libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1:amd64
    libkf5mailimporterakonadi5:amd64
    libkf5mailtransportakonadi5:amd64
    libkf5pimcommonakonadi5abi1:amd64

    System is Debian Testing.

    How can I get rid of that akonadi, or disable it?

    I can't uninstall akonadi-server, because it wants to uninstall with it: akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime* kmail*
    knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop*

    And dozens of libraries.

    Any help appreciated.

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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 10:40:01 2022
    Martin Steigerwald - 15.04.22, 10:31:15 CEST:
    What I do on systems where I do not use Akonadi – it may even work
    well on systems where it is used – is to replace
    "akonadi-backend-mysql" by "akonadi-backend-sqlite". That way I get
    rid of an additional full blown database process.

    I usually also stop Akonadi with

    akonadictl stop

    And then do

    rm -r ~/.local/share/akonadi

    rm -r ~/.config/akonadi

    Well on those systems where I do not use Akonadi and switch to SQLite3.

    Please do not do this without having a good reason to do it, in case you actually use Akonadi.

    There is potential data loss – i.e. loosing mails, appointments,
    contacts – in there, since Akonadi is unfortunately not just a read
    cache, but a time-limited – or unlimited in case of a certain
    conditation – write cache where things may end to be stored just in the database for a limited or even an unlimited time ("item without RID"
    message in akonadictl fsck).

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Martin Steigerwald on Fri Apr 15 12:00:01 2022
    On 15/04/2022 09:31, Martin Steigerwald wrote:

    Which processes of Akonadi are using up the CPU? In case it is just a
    certain process like "akonadi_indexing_agent", well what I did with this
    one is:

    chmod 000 /usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent

    It works.

    All of them.
    Screenshot:
    https://imgur.com/vJFrPPR

    Thank you, I will try to block all executables so they never run again.

    Do you really not use it? Look at

    du -sch ~/.local/share/akonadi/* | sort -rh

    If you really do you use it, this should be almost empty beside some
    MariaDB journal files.

    I nuked that directory yesterday without checking what's inside. Today,
    with akonadi stopped, my system works perfectly fine as expected. That
    shows how badly (not) my system needs akonadi.

    Note: In case you store contacts in KAdressbook or use a calender with KOrganizer, you actually *use* Akonadi. Akonadi is not just about
    storing mails for KMail.

    I don't use any of that. I use Thunderbird with its contacts.

    What I do on systems where I do not use Akonadi – it may even work well
    on systems where it is used – is to replace "akonadi-backend-mysql" by "akonadi-backend-sqlite". That way I get rid of an additional full blown database process.

    I usually also stop Akonadi with

    akonadictl stop

    And then do

    rm -r ~/.local/share/akonadi

    rm -r ~/.config/akonadi

    Yes, that's what I did. I killed all processes (had to resort to signal
    9) and nuked both directories.


    I still believe the end user should not have to do with any of this.

    Indeed. Akonadi should never use all of my machine 16 cores in the first
    place.

    Akonadi is something that drags down the overall good Plasma / KDE
    experience unfortunately since more than a decade. I defended it earlier
    on. Meanwhile I think it is better to completely replace it.

    Yes, totally. Why this abomination cannot be uninstalled without pulling
    half of KDE out? Shouldn't that be reported as a bug?

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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to piorunz on Fri Apr 15 12:10:01 2022
    On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 11:05:03AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Yes, totally. Why this abomination cannot be uninstalled without pulling half of KDE out?
    This is definitely not true.

    $ sudo apt purge akonadi-server
    [...]
    The following packages will be REMOVED:
    akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime* kmail*
    knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop*
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
    Correct.

    Printing gone. Libreoffice gone. Speech gone. That's what I can see here.
    No, you should learn to read the apt output before drawing conclusions.

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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 12:50:02 2022
    piorunz - 15.04.22, 11:56:28 CEST:
    Which processes of Akonadi are using up the CPU? In case it is just
    a
    certain process like "akonadi_indexing_agent", well what I did with
    this one is:

    chmod 000 /usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent

    It works.

    All of them.
    Screenshot:
    https://imgur.com/vJFrPPR

    Thank you, I will try to block all executables so they never run
    again.

    Wow!

    This is ridiculous.

    I think I never had it this bad.

    --
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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Andrey Rahmatullin on Fri Apr 15 12:20:01 2022
    On 15/04/2022 11:07, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
    On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 11:05:03AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Yes, totally. Why this abomination cannot be uninstalled without pulling >>>> half of KDE out?
    This is definitely not true.

    $ sudo apt purge akonadi-server
    [...]
    The following packages will be REMOVED:
    akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime* kmail*
    knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop*
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
    Correct.

    Printing gone. Libreoffice gone. Speech gone. That's what I can see here.
    No, you should learn to read the apt output before drawing conclusions.

    I probably know what you mean. Thanks. You mean I can install them
    manually, and they will stay as manually installed?
    So only akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime*
    kmail* knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop* will be gone effectively?

    Shouldn't I have task-kde-desktop installed to track all packages
    required by entire KDE? So my Testing system evolves with changing deps?

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  • From Diederik de Haas@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 12:55:58 2022
    On vrijdag 15 april 2022 12:40:34 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
    KRunner module my trigger starting Akonadi

    I think contact search is enabled by default, so that could be it.
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  • From Diederik de Haas@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 13:07:29 2022
    On vrijdag 15 april 2022 12:10:55 CEST piorunz wrote:
    You mean I can install them manually, and they will stay as manually installed?

    Manually installed applications, or applications marked as such, are (at least with aptitude) treated differently.

    So only akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime*
    kmail* knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop* will be gone effectively?

    When you installed task-kde-desktop, that installs 'the whole bunch' and apparently several of them you don't want. All the parts were automatically installed, so removing one would remove task-kde-desktop which removes them
    all again.
    So by choosing (i.e. explicitly installing (thus 'manually')) a narrower focused meta package and/or marking the applications that you do want as manually installed, then removing task-kde-desktop (or kmail f.e.) will not remove the whole bunch.

    Shouldn't I have task-kde-desktop installed to track all packages
    required by entire KDE? So my Testing system evolves with changing deps?

    You don't want to have all packages that are part of task-kde-desktop, so that (meta) package was the wrong choice for you.
    Each application *should* have their own (versioned) dependencies, so you
    don't need task-kde-desktop for that.
    It's not always 100% smooth though, but that's the consequence of running Testing. Often when 'disruptions' are expected, someone posts a message to
    this list saying so. Technically speaking they are bugs that should be fixed.

    HTH,
    Diederik
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  • From Xavier Brochard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 14:00:01 2022
    Le 15.04.2022 02:18, piorunz a écrit :
    I noticed that akonadi services are using 100% of 16-core CPU resources
    on my machine. I don't even use Kmail, I use Thunderbird. I'm not even
    sure what akonadi is for. I have following packages installed:

    $ dpkg -l | grep akonadi | awk {'print $2'}
    akonadi-backend-mysql

    libkf5pimcommonakonadi5abi1:amd64

    System is Debian Testing.

    How can I get rid of that akonadi, or disable it?

    I don't have any Akonadi package on my system. Akonadi is like Evolution
    Server on Gnome, a central database service for groupware functions.

    I can't uninstall akonadi-server, because it wants to uninstall with
    it:
    akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime* kmail*
    knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop*
    And dozens of libraries.

    Some packages in your list are only meta or dependencies packages :
    packages whom sole purpose is to simplify KDE installation with useful dependencies (i.e. they install a bunch of packages). Have a look for
    example at kde-standard. The others are all KDEPIM related packages.

    Using Thunderbird you don't need any KDEPIM packages as Thunderbird and
    its extensions can provide similar functionalities.

    There is a quick and easy way to get rid of akonadi : build fake
    package. But I prefer to open Aptitude or Synaptic and look at reverse dependencies, this way I learn how to select KDE packages for my next
    install.

    For building fake package, just install equivs. There is plenty of
    tutorials on how to use it. Then you can for example build and install a
    new kde-standard package without KDEPIM dependencies (kmail, knote,
    korganizer and so on). You will then easily remove KDEPIM packages and
    Akonadi.

    For reverse dependencies you will need to mark as "manual installed" all task-kde-desktop and kde-standard dependency packages. So we start with dependencies! Using Aptitude or Synaptic will help a lot. I recommend
    Aptitude as it gives more informations.

    - Opening task-kde-desktop, you will see that it depends on
    kde-standard. Mark all other packages as manual installed (eventually
    forgeting some of them that you don't need).
    - Do the same with kde-standard
    - Now you can remove these 2 meta packages. It shouldn't ask to remove
    anything else.
    - Then manually remove KDEPIM packages. Here you will probably need to
    have a look at reverse dependencies to understand what will happened.

    There is a very useful feature in Aptitude for thes task : in package
    list mode, the bottom screen gives you short informations about every
    packages. Pressing "i" keyboard key, you can switch between the 3 info
    screen: first describe the package, second describe what will happened
    with the action selected (update, remove, …), third show you why a
    package is installed (reverse dependencies). All these info screen are
    short, for more accurate informations you will need to open the
    dependencies solutions proposed by aptitude (sometimes there is many)
    and to open reverse dependencies in package screen.

    Don't be afraid, all of this is easy.

    Hope this help
    ---
    Librement,
    Xavier Brochard xavier@alternatif.org
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  • From Xavier Brochard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 15:00:02 2022
    Le 15.04.2022 02:18, piorunz a écrit :
    I noticed that akonadi services are using 100% of 16-core CPU resources
    on my machine. I don't even use Kmail, I use Thunderbird. I'm not even
    sure what akonadi is for. I have following packages installed:

    $ dpkg -l | grep akonadi | awk {'print $2'}
    akonadi-backend-mysql

    libkf5pimcommonakonadi5abi1:amd64

    System is Debian Testing.

    How can I get rid of that akonadi, or disable it?

    I don't have any Akonadi package on my system. Akonadi is like Evolution
    Server on Gnome, a central database service for groupware functions.

    I can't uninstall akonadi-server, because it wants to uninstall with
    it:
    akonadi-server* kaddressbook* kde-standard* kdepim-runtime* kmail*
    knotes* korganizer* task-kde-desktop*
    And dozens of libraries.

    Some packages in your list are only meta or dependencies packages :
    packages whom sole purpose is to simplify KDE installation with useful dependencies (i.e. they install a bunch of packages). Have a look for
    example at kde-standard. The others are all KDEPIM related packages.

    Using Thunderbird you don't need any KDEPIM packages as Thunderbird and
    its extensions can provide similar functionalities.

    There is a quick and easy way to get rid of akonadi : build fake
    package. But I prefer to open Aptitude or Synaptic and look at reverse dependencies, this way I learn how to select KDE packages for my next
    install.

    For building fake package, just install equivs. There is plenty of
    tutorials on how to use it. Then you can for example build and install a
    new kde-standard package without KDEPIM dependencies (kmail, knote,
    korganizer and so on). You will then easily remove KDEPIM packages and
    Akonadi.

    For reverse dependencies you will need to mark as "manual installed" all task-kde-desktop and kde-standard dependency packages. So we start with dependencies! Using Aptitude or Synaptic will help a lot. I recommend
    Aptitude as it gives more informations.

    - Opening task-kde-desktop, you will see that it depends on
    kde-standard. Mark all other packages as manual installed (eventually
    forgeting some of them that you don't need).
    - Do the same with kde-standard
    - Now you can remove these 2 meta packages. It shouldn't ask to remove
    anything else.
    - Then manually remove KDEPIM packages. Here you will probably need to
    have a look at reverse dependencies to understand what will happened.

    There is a very useful feature in Aptitude for thes task : in package
    list mode, the bottom screen gives you short informations about every
    packages. Pressing "i" keyboard key, you can switch between the 3 info
    screen: first describe the package, second describe what will happened
    with the action selected (update, remove, …), third show you why a
    package is installed (reverse dependencies). All these info screen are
    short, for more accurate informations you will need to open the
    dependencies solutions proposed by aptitude (sometimes there is many)
    and to open reverse dependencies in package screen.

    Don't be afraid, all of this is easy.

    Hope this help
    ---
    Librement,
    Xavier Brochard xavier@alternatif.org
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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 18 21:50:01 2022
    Thank you all,

    I was able to uninstall many akonadi packages, including akonadi server,
    and installed back (marked as installed manually) LibreOffice, system
    printing and few other things. Unfortunately akregator which I use (sporadically) still requires a few akonadi packages:
    $ dpkg -l | grep akona | awk {print'$2'}
    akonadi-contacts-data
    akonadi-mime-data
    libkf5akonadi-data
    libkf5akonadicontact5:amd64
    libkf5akonadicore5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadimime5:amd64
    libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1:amd64
    libkf5mailtransportakonadi5:amd64

    I will keep them for now so akregator can work. I hope I will not
    encounter any problem with akonadi again, now when almost all of it is uninstalled.

    Thanks all for your help!

    --
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  • From Xavier Brochard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 19 01:00:01 2022
    Le 18.04.2022 21:41, piorunz a écrit :
    Unfortunately akregator which I use
    (sporadically)

    Thunderbird can read RSS/Atom feeds

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Xavier Brochard on Tue Apr 19 00:40:02 2022
    On 18/04/2022 23:21, Xavier Brochard wrote:
    Le 18.04.2022 21:41, piorunz a écrit :
    Unfortunately akregator which I use
    (sporadically)

    Thunderbird can read RSS/Atom feeds

    Yes, and I use it too... Don't know why I didn't merged them before. I
    just moved them all to TB, full success. Akregator is gone, so is
    akonadi :) dpkg is clean, no more akonadi found. This group is
    invaluable as always - thank you Xavier!

    --
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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to piorunz on Tue Apr 19 09:10:01 2022
    On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 08:41:13PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Thank you all,

    I was able to uninstall many akonadi packages, including akonadi server,
    and installed back (marked as installed manually) LibreOffice, system printing and few other things. Unfortunately akregator which I use (sporadically) still requires a few akonadi packages:
    $ dpkg -l | grep akona | awk {print'$2'}
    akonadi-contacts-data
    akonadi-mime-data
    libkf5akonadi-data
    libkf5akonadicontact5:amd64
    libkf5akonadicore5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadimime5:amd64
    libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1:amd64
    libkf5mailtransportakonadi5:amd64
    None of these include the actual service. When in doubt you should read
    package descriptions, though often package names are enough.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From piorunz@21:1/5 to Andrey Rahmatullin on Tue Apr 19 11:20:01 2022
    On 19/04/2022 08:03, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
    On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 08:41:13PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
    Thank you all,

    I was able to uninstall many akonadi packages, including akonadi server,
    and installed back (marked as installed manually) LibreOffice, system
    printing and few other things. Unfortunately akregator which I use
    (sporadically) still requires a few akonadi packages:
    $ dpkg -l | grep akona | awk {print'$2'}
    akonadi-contacts-data
    akonadi-mime-data
    libkf5akonadi-data
    libkf5akonadicontact5:amd64
    libkf5akonadicore5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadimime5:amd64
    libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2:amd64
    libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1:amd64
    libkf5mailtransportakonadi5:amd64
    None of these include the actual service. When in doubt you should read package descriptions, though often package names are enough.

    Yep, I thought so. Actual service is akonadi-server and other things.
    Anyway, all of it has been nuked.
    You seen my previous post with imgur link? 16 cores saturated and
    cranked to 4.4 GHz that's quite a lot of electricity burned in vain, I
    don't need any more heating up of my living room haha.

    --
    With kindest regards, Piotr.

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