• Re: Analytical truth redefined so that Quine can understand that bachel

    From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Mon Mar 18 12:30:45 2024
    XPost: sci.lang

    On 2021-03-27 14:54:31 +0000, olcott said:

    Most people construe the term "absolute truth" as necessarily coming
    from the mind of God, thus atheists reject absolute truth. Philosophy
    leaves religion out of it and says that analytical truth can be
    verified on the basis of its meaning.

    Because Quine had such a hard time understanding that bachelors are
    unmarried in his "Two Dogmas of Empiricism" I have adapted the
    definition of analytical truth so that it can be more directly divided
    from other forms of truth:

    It is a sin to say anything untrue about other people.

    (1) Expressions of language that are defined to be true and

    Truth is not a matter of definition.

    (2) Expressions of language that have been derived on the basis of
    applying truth preserving operations.

    Only affirmative sentences and only if derived from true sentences.

    Note that the word "sentence" has different meanings in comp.thery
    and sci.lang. In the former (and in sci.logic) it usually excludes
    all but affirmative sentences.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Mar 19 17:55:58 2024
    On 2024-03-18 23:07:51 +0000, olcott said:

    On 3/18/2024 5:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2021-03-27 14:54:31 +0000, olcott said:

    Most people construe the term "absolute truth" as necessarily coming
    from the mind of God, thus atheists reject absolute truth. Philosophy
    leaves religion out of it and says that analytical truth can be
    verified on the basis of its meaning.

    Because Quine had such a hard time understanding that bachelors are
    unmarried in his "Two Dogmas of Empiricism" I have adapted the
    definition of analytical truth so that it can be more directly divided
    from other forms of truth:

    It is a sin to say anything untrue about other people.

    (1) Expressions of language that are defined to be true and

    Truth is not a matter of definition.


    AH then the integer 2 might actually be a big pizza pie?

    Mathematics doesn't say otherwise so this is a matter of interpretation.

    (2) Expressions of language that have been derived on the basis of
    applying truth preserving operations.

    Only affirmative sentences and only if derived from true sentences.

    How would you apply a truth preserving operation to a sentence
    that is neither true nor false?

    If it is not true there is no truth to preserve so it doesn't
    matter how it is applied.

    Note that the word "sentence" has different meanings in comp.thery
    and sci.lang. In the former (and in sci.logic) it usually excludes
    all but affirmative sentences.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From olcott@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Tue Mar 19 16:06:41 2024
    XPost: sci.logic, sci.lang

    On 3/19/2024 3:07 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 03/18/2024 07:15 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 3/18/2024 7:30 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    test of cross posting

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    Copyright 2024 Olcott

    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
    Genius hits a target no one else can see."
    Arthur Schopenhauer

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  • From olcott@21:1/5 to Mikko on Tue Mar 19 16:11:59 2024
    XPost: sci.lang, sci.logic

    On 3/18/2024 5:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2021-03-27 14:54:31 +0000, olcott said:

    Most people construe the term "absolute truth" as necessarily coming
    from the mind of God, thus atheists reject absolute truth. Philosophy
    leaves religion out of it and says that analytical truth can be
    verified on the basis of its meaning.

    Because Quine had such a hard time understanding that bachelors are
    unmarried in his "Two Dogmas of Empiricism" I have adapted the
    definition of analytical truth so that it can be more directly divided
    from other forms of truth:

    It is a sin to say anything untrue about other people.

    (1) Expressions of language that are defined to be true and

    Truth is not a matter of definition.

    (2) Expressions of language that have been derived on the basis of
    applying truth preserving operations.

    Only affirmative sentences and only if derived from true sentences.

    Note that the word "sentence" has different meanings in comp.thery
    and sci.lang. In the former (and in sci.logic) it usually excludes
    all but affirmative sentences.


    I am redefining analytical truth such that it is entirely
    comprised of expressions that are stipulated to be true
    Facts, and expressions that are a necessary consequence of
    these Facts.


    --
    Copyright 2024 Olcott

    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
    Genius hits a target no one else can see."
    Arthur Schopenhauer

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  • From olcott@21:1/5 to Mikko on Wed Mar 20 07:49:50 2024
    XPost: sci.logic, sci.lang

    On 3/20/2024 4:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-03-19 21:11:59 +0000, olcott said:

    On 3/18/2024 5:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2021-03-27 14:54:31 +0000, olcott said:

    Most people construe the term "absolute truth" as necessarily coming
    from the mind of God, thus atheists reject absolute truth.
    Philosophy leaves religion out of it and says that analytical truth
    can be verified on the basis of its meaning.

    Because Quine had such a hard time understanding that bachelors are
    unmarried in his "Two Dogmas of Empiricism" I have adapted the
    definition of analytical truth so that it can be more directly
    divided from other forms of truth:

    It is a sin to say anything untrue about other people.

    (1) Expressions of language that are defined to be true and

    Truth is not a matter of definition.

    (2) Expressions of language that have been derived on the basis of
    applying truth preserving operations.

    Only affirmative sentences and only if derived from true sentences.

    Note that the word "sentence" has different meanings in comp.thery
    and sci.lang. In the former (and in sci.logic) it usually excludes
    all but affirmative sentences.


    I am redefining analytical truth such that it is entirely
    comprised of expressions that are stipulated to be true
    Facts, and expressions that are a necessary consequence of
    these Facts.

    By the proposed redefinition different sets of stipulations
    yield different analytical truths.


    The stipulations are merely all of the Facts that comprise the
    model of the actual world. When properly formalized in knowledge
    ontology inheritance hierarchy this gives an AI mind the capability
    of human reasoning.

    --
    Copyright 2024 Olcott

    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
    Genius hits a target no one else can see."
    Arthur Schopenhauer

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