Well, this has been quite a learning experience.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately
on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?
Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both
appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand
from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS
screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.
Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft
drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking
at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is
nice, but not nice enough to give up a few Windows apps I like
better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple
committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to
keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other
products.
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even
install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops
up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere
to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are
not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some
interesting tweaks.
In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a
shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet.
They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost
exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch wider and slightly
thicker.
Have a great weekend.
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep withThen that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)
Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separatelyYou mean in a virtual machine? Easy.
on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?
Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both
appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand
from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.
Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft
drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking
at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is
nice, but not nice enough to give up a few Windows apps I like
better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to
keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other
products.
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even
install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops
up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere
to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are
not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some
interesting tweaks.
In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a
shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet.
They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost
exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch wider and slightly
thicker.
Have a great weekend.
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
Have a great weekend.
Right, the HP did need one switch thrown. Wake from sleep with
keyboard in Device Manager. I recall that now. Sleep on lid close was
a default. On the Mac I had to go through several iterations and some research to make it happen.
I would be glad to have the Mac screen on if I could figure out how
to have the Windows VM on one screen and MAC OS on the other.
Research has not yielded an answer. Care to supply a link so I can
make it happen?
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep withThen that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or
otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the
standard.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)
With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.
On 2021-11-05 10:21 a.m., ed wrote:
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or
otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the
standard.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)
With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.
Dude:
He is EXPLICITLY asking to do just that.
"Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on
the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?"
On 2021-11-05 10:21 a.m., ed wrote:
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had >> to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the >> standard.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or >>> otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)
With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.
Dude:
He is EXPLICITLY asking to do just that.
"Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on
the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?"
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the
product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.Preference fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few minutes of Google research and some System
Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?Windows apps I like better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other products.
Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.
Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is nice, but not nice enough to give up a few
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Manyother features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet. They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost exactly the same size. The HP is about an inchwider and slightly thicker.
Have a great weekend.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Bob,
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even installWhere did you get WOA install media?
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of "major shortcomings"
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even installWhere did you get WOA install media?
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
"major shortcomings"
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install >>> a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up sayingWhere did you get WOA install media?
it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the
product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
"major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
Hi Bob,
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to buy an ARM based PC.
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 7:52:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:Preference fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few minutes of Google research and some System
Windows apps I like better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other products.Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?
Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.
Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is nice, but not nice enough to give up a few
other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many
wider and slightly thicker.In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet. They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch
Have a great weekend.Another thought on Windows on the M1. MS has a Windows 365 “cloud VM” now, and that would work for the Windows apps I really need. Anybody tried that on a Mac yet?
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install >>> a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. >>> What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.Where did you get WOA install media?
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on >> M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
"major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install >>>>> a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. >>>>> What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.Where did you get WOA install media?
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >>>> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on >>>> M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>> "major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10, where
On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even installWhere did you get WOA install media?
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >>>> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>> seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>> "major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
And this is surprising... ...how?
Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.
On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. >>>>>>> What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks. >>>>>> Where did you get WOA install media?
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >>>>>> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>>>> seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>>>> "major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.And this is surprising... ...how?
Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported
Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?
Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal >> something.
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? >>> That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional >>> access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do. >>>
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has >> specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for >> Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was >>> surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product >>> key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If >>> so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional >>> access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal >>> anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to >> buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA PC is from Apple".
On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the
product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks. >>>>>> Where did you get WOA install media?
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>>>> seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
"major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.And this is surprising... ...how?
Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported
Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?
Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/
Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.
On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:And this is surprising... ...how?
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, BobApple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. IWhere did you get WOA install media?
cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is
turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an
activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy
the product so as to to activate it. Many other
features are not available. What I can see works well
and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with
an ARM computer. That you have it installed in a VM on
an ARM Mac means it is NOT an activated installation.
There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are seeing
"major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not
supporting WOA on M1 Macs. What you are doing is the
same as the folks who install Intel MacOS on non-Apple
PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
"major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is
why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also
worked on the M1.
So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an
answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the
M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is
stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the
same as W10, where the development channel dropped the ARM
branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.
Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it
supported Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle
VirtualBox?
Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is
definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on
an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and
activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install
the W10 Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks
for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list
you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a
workaround. If you have one let me know.
https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac
capabilities and end users.
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was >>>>> surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product >>>>> key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? >>>>> That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If >>>>> so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional >>>>> access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal >>>>> anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do. >>>>>
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>> will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has >>>> specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for >>>> Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to >>>> buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA >> PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.
On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.
The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>>>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>>>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks. >>>>>>>> Where did you get WOA install media?
As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>>>>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>>>>>> seeing "major shortcomings".
Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>>>>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>>>>>> "major shortcomings"
PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.
So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.And this is surprising... ...how?
Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported >>>> Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?
Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.
https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Stop lying Alan. I know, you just cannot admit you are wrong, but at least try.
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>> will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>> unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was >>>>>>> surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product >>>>>>> key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If >>>>>>> so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal >>>>>>> anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>>>> will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>>>> unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA >>>> PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>> will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>> unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>>>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>>>>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>>>>>> will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>>>>>> unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>>>> unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
...idiot.
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...
...right, idiot?
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
"Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.And that comment is still wrong.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that thing.
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>>>>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
"Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
...right, idiot?
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
"Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
No. They are just not the same thing.
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
for help if things go wrong.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No. They are just not the same thing.
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5,That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5,How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5,It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview
program and offers to install W11 ARM
preview. I knew ahead of time that it is
limited. I was surprised by just how limited.
W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key
will unlock additional features. Anybody know
if that is true or not? That is, are the
locked out features in the OS and available
or not? If so can I buy a copy of Windows for
the activation key and get additional access?
I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not
trying to steal anything. MS does not demand
W11 activation for the install. They do offer
to allow activation later. That’s exactly
what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being
so critical?
you are trying to steal something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product.
You can ONLY get it to fully function when you
buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
Product Key will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically
stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images
from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can
install these and use whatever product key you
have to unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully
functional WOA, you need to buy an ARM based
PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting
M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not want to be
embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA PC
is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it.
They could charge to activate it. No issue with that
here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it
and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like
W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon 8cx:
Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G,
HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron 8c or 7c:
Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo
Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2,
Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E Snapdragon 45
and 855 chip devices Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on
their roadmap.
Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue.
Prior comments make that very clear.
with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS could
have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They
allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and
end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
supporting that thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
Microsoft for help if things go wrong.
And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered Windows
install and with that help from MS. I do know this, Parallels offers
no Windows support.
On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No. They are just not the same thing.
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5,That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5,How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5,It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that >>>>>>>>>>>> you are trying to steal something.
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview
program and offers to install W11 ARM
preview. I knew ahead of time that it is
limited. I was surprised by just how limited.
W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key
will unlock additional features. Anybody know
if that is true or not? That is, are the
locked out features in the OS and available
or not? If so can I buy a copy of Windows for
the activation key and get additional access?
I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not
trying to steal anything. MS does not demand
W11 activation for the install. They do offer
to allow activation later. That’s exactly
what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being
so critical?
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product.
You can ONLY get it to fully function when you
buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
Product Key will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically
stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images
from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can
install these and use whatever product key you
have to unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully
functional WOA, you need to buy an ARM based
PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting
M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not want to be
embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA PC
is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it.
They could charge to activate it. No issue with that
here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it
and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like
W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon 8cx:
Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G,
HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron 8c or 7c:
Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo
Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2,
Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E Snapdragon 45
and 855 chip devices Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on
their roadmap.
Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue.
Prior comments make that very clear.
with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS could
have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They
allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and
end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
supporting that thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
Microsoft for help if things go wrong.
And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this, Parallels offers
no Windows support.
But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they don't
block it from running on Parallels, then that means that Parallels
supports Windows.
Explain this contradiction, Idiot.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, AlanNo. They are just not the same thing.
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5,And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my
Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PMThat is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AMHow could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PMIt sucks, but unfortunately the above is all
UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS
preview program and offers to install W11
ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it
is limited. I was surprised by just how
limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10
product key will unlock additional
features. Anybody know if that is true or
not? That is, are the locked out features
in the OS and available or not? If so can
I buy a copy of Windows for the
activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that
happen. I’m not trying to steal anything.
MS does not demand W11 activation for the
install. They do offer to allow
activation later. That’s exactly what i
am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before
being so critical?
that you are trying to steal something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail
product. You can ONLY get it to fully
function when you buy an ARM based Windows
PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
Product Key will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting
M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs
images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel.
You can install these and use whatever
product key you have to unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want
fully functional WOA, you need to buy an
ARM based PC.
Got it.
true.
There is no technical reason for MS not
supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not
want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The
fastest WOA PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
approve the full ARM version and allow us to use
it. They could charge to activate it. No issue
with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release
it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just
like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it,
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon
8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo
Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron
8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin
513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850:
Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei
Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not
on their roadmap.
not Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's
issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
question with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma,
BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS
could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM
solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting
Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
supporting that thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
Microsoft for help if things go wrong.
And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered
Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this,
Parallels offers no Windows support.
don't block it from running on Parallels, then that means that
Parallels supports Windows.
Explain this contradiction, Idiot.
Alan,
<sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows.
Let's start over.
Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to Windows
and Linux.
If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, version
of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example,
W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.
If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered, authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run it
anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel
machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or on an ARM
machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only
way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider
program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather
information on Windows running on hardware not on their approved
list.
At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider.
If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access
to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate.
Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my purchase unless they
exclude W11 running on a VM.
In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1
Mac access to the W11 Insider program.
On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 1:21:22 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or
otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the
standard.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)
That second screen can be very useful. Photo of my Mac running Mac OS on my 27" monitor and Windows 11 on the Mac's screen. Parallels Coherence mode is off.
Mac mouse, keyboard and data files are all shared.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v7kbJKOadtcHfX5hOtWEqhKlaM4c88CI/view?usp=sharing
If you want to run both OS and have 2 screens this is nice. Just dragged the VM to the Mac screen.
On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Well, this has been quite a learning experience.
Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep withThen that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.
Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?
Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?
:-)With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.
On 2021-11-12 8:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, AlanNo. They are just not the same thing.
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5,And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my
Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PMThat is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AMHow could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PMIt sucks, but unfortunately the above is all
UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS
preview program and offers to install W11
ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it
is limited. I was surprised by just how
limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10
product key will unlock additional
features. Anybody know if that is true or
not? That is, are the locked out features
in the OS and available or not? If so can
I buy a copy of Windows for the
activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that
happen. I’m not trying to steal anything.
MS does not demand W11 activation for the
install. They do offer to allow
activation later. That’s exactly what i
am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before
being so critical?
that you are trying to steal something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail
product. You can ONLY get it to fully
function when you buy an ARM based Windows
PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
Product Key will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting
M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs
images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel.
You can install these and use whatever
product key you have to unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want
fully functional WOA, you need to buy an
ARM based PC.
Got it.
true.
There is no technical reason for MS not
supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not
want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The
fastest WOA PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
approve the full ARM version and allow us to use
it. They could charge to activate it. No issue
with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release
it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just
like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it,
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon
8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo
Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron
8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin
513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850:
Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei
Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not
on their roadmap.
not Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's
issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
question with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma,
BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS
could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM
solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting
Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
supporting that thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
Microsoft for help if things go wrong.
And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered
Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this,
Parallels offers no Windows support.
don't block it from running on Parallels, then that means that
Parallels supports Windows.
Explain this contradiction, Idiot.
Alan,
<sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows.
Let's start over.
Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to WindowsI've never said differently.
and Linux.
If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, versionNo. That is not so, Idiot.
of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example,
W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.
Parallels allows Windows to run on a registered, authenticated version
of Parallels.
Therefore, by your definition of "support", Parallels supports Windows...
...because declining to block something from happening is NOT THE SAME
AS SUPPORTING THAT THING.
If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered, authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run itBut you literally just said that if they allow the software to run at
anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel
machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or on an ARM
machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only
way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather
information on Windows running on hardware not on their approved
list.
all, that is support, Idiot.
Now you're saying it isn't.
At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider.Can you not read the contradictions you've just written, Idiot?
If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access
to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate.
Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my purchase unless they exclude W11 running on a VM.
In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1
Mac access to the W11 Insider program.
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
...right, idiot?
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
"Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
No. They are just not the same thing.
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
for help if things go wrong.
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:48:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-12 8:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:I've never said differently.
On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, AlanNo. They are just not the same thing.
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5,And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my
Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PMThat is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AMHow could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PMIt sucks, but unfortunately the above is all
UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you are trying to steal something.
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS
preview program and offers to install W11
ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it
is limited. I was surprised by just how
limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10
product key will unlock additional
features. Anybody know if that is true or
not? That is, are the locked out features
in the OS and available or not? If so can
I buy a copy of Windows for the
activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that
happen. I’m not trying to steal anything.
MS does not demand W11 activation for the
install. They do offer to allow
activation later. That’s exactly what i
am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before
being so critical?
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail
product. You can ONLY get it to fully
function when you buy an ARM based Windows
PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
Product Key will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting
M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs
images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel.
You can install these and use whatever
product key you have to unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want
fully functional WOA, you need to buy an
ARM based PC.
Got it.
true.
There is no technical reason for MS not
supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not
want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The
fastest WOA PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
approve the full ARM version and allow us to use
it. They could charge to activate it. No issue
with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release
it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just
like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it,
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon
8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo
Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron
8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin
513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850:
Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei
Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not
on their roadmap.
not Apple...
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's
issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
question with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma,
BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS
could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM
solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting
Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
supporting that thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
Microsoft for help if things go wrong.
And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered
Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this,
Parallels offers no Windows support.
don't block it from running on Parallels, then that means that
Parallels supports Windows.
Explain this contradiction, Idiot.
Alan,
<sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows.
Let's start over.
Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to Windows
and Linux.
No. That is not so, Idiot.
If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, version
of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example,
W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.
Parallels allows Windows to run on a registered, authenticated version
of Parallels.
Therefore, by your definition of "support", Parallels supports Windows...
...because declining to block something from happening is NOT THE SAME
AS SUPPORTING THAT THING.
But you literally just said that if they allow the software to run at
If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered,
authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run it
anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel
machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or on an ARM
machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only
way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider
program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather
information on Windows running on hardware not on their approved
list.
all, that is support, Idiot.
Now you're saying it isn't.
Can you not read the contradictions you've just written, Idiot?
At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider.
If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access
to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate.
Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my purchase unless they
exclude W11 running on a VM.
In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1
Mac access to the W11 Insider program.
Do you want me to copy/paste a reply from Parallels support stating that they do not support
windows issues?+
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No. They are just not the same thing.
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
...right, idiot?
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>>>
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
"Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that >>>> thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
for help if things go wrong.
Exactly, which is why I cannot turn to Parallels for Windows support. You are twisting comments out of context.
On 2021-11-12 1:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No. They are just not the same thing.
On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob,I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.
Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
something.
I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC. >>>>>>>>>>>>
A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
will unlock Windows 10.
Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs. >>>>>>>>>>>>
You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
unlock it.
WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
buy an ARM based PC.
Got it.
There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
PC is from Apple".
Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.
Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
...idiot.
So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>>>
At this time some ARM processors are
Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
Raspberry Pi 4
Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
...right, idiot?
I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
"Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).
And that comment is still wrong.
Copied from prior comment.,
Thomas E.
11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that >>>> thing.
LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!
Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft >> for help if things go wrong.
Exactly, which is why I cannot turn to Parallels for Windows support. You are twisting comments out of context.
No, Idiot.
I'm noting that you are claiming two mutually contradictory positions.
1. If Microsoft doesn't block you from installing Windows on something,
that means they support that Windows on that platform.
2. If Parallels doesn't block you from installing Windows in their VM,
that can still mean they DON'T support doing so.
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