• Re: How do you put up with this nonsense?

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Oct 14 17:43:28 2023
    On 10/14/23 17:35, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome or
    Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up with
    entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">" character
    at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of them
    had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click in any
    way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed two copies of
    the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers
    that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    HOW is the Metro Settings app still under construction after 3/4
    releases? (8, 8.1, 10, 11)

    If they can't be bothered to finish it, at least keep the working
    settings app intact??
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 15:35:30 2023
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome or
    Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to "Devices and
    Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up with
    entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">" character
    at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a page of settings
    specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of them
    had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click in any
    way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed two copies of
    the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers
    that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 15 01:28:37 2023
    On 10/14/23 6:35 PM, Alan wrote:

    Windows 11

    What does this have to do with Mac Advocacy?

    I had a climate call me

    I hate it when a climate calls me. I would much rather talk to a
    weather. Climate sucks.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sun Oct 15 02:46:06 2023
    On 10/15/23 00:28, Tyrone wrote:
    On 10/14/23 6:35 PM, Alan wrote:

    Windows 11

    What does this have to do with Mac Advocacy?

    Maybe it was a mistake?
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 15 05:03:38 2023
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome or
    Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up with
    entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">" character
    at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of them
    had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click in any
    way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed two copies of
    the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    You had a "climate call"? Talk about nonsensical! Your lack of Windows knowledge is the only other thing that is nonsensical here.

    Did you make sure the printer is not in sleep state? Is it turned on and working?

    On my up-to-date Dell/W11 I think the top one is what you are looking for.

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > View More Devices (scroll down to find) More Devices and Printer Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a printer > Select Remove Device
    or
    Control Panel > Devices and Printers > Select one of my 2 printers > at the top right "Remove"

    And you call yourself a Windows Pro? I'm just a casual user and I found it.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 15 06:38:46 2023
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome or
    Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up with
    entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">" character
    at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of them
    had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click in any
    way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed two copies of
    the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    BTW Windows novice, I just remembered, you can also uninstall a printer from Device Manager > Printers > right click > Uninstall Device

    And don't lie about knowing this without being told. You are one more sorry "Windows Consultant".

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 15 13:11:02 2023
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome or
    Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up with
    entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">" character
    at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of them
    had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click in any
    way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed two copies of
    the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling? I have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP installers. Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware and Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to access.

    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google email. Glad to help out.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Oct 15 13:18:56 2023
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome
    or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to
    "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install
    printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up
    with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a
    page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of
    them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click
    in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed
    two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't
    access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't
    know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of
    the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling? I
    have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP installers.
    Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.

    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't blame
    me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like that,
    NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of interface which
    is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you don't
    know you have to first click on a printer, get into its details
    interface and only then to you get "Remove"?


    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware and
    Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to access.

    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11.


    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google email.
    Glad to help out.

    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Oct 19 08:33:12 2023
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from Chrome
    or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go to
    "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and re-install
    printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end up
    with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to a
    page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only two of
    them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond to a click
    in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it only showed
    two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I couldn't
    access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't
    know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of
    the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling? I
    have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP installers.
    Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.
    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't blame
    me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like that, NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of interface which
    is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you don't
    know you have to first click on a printer, get into its details
    interface and only then to you get "Remove"?

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware and
    Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to access.
    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11.

    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google email.
    Glad to help out.
    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

    You DO NOT HAVE to click on a printer to get its details. There are other paths to get you there, Liarboy.

    Try this:

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > Devices > More Devices and Printer Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a printer > Select Remove Device

    Here a screenshot showing Settings in the background and Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers panel that has all the printers plus other devices on it. The M140 and 7800 are my printers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UyKCaYdcybZPGPoKOIdOdOGisi3qFcbf/view?usp=share_link

    Right click on a printer and select Remove Device. OR, do the same thing in Device Manager. Did you even try that????

    Device Manager screenshot:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzOzGAgErlDD_MUOfO-h8yeVijvFDHWi/view?usp=share_link

    I stand by the statement that you don't know what you are doing. This is a dead simple fix.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Oct 19 09:32:06 2023
    On 2023-10-19 08:33, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from
    Chrome or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go
    to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and
    re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end
    up with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to
    a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only
    two of them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond
    to a click in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it
    only showed two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I
    couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I
    don't know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings"
    on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling?
    I have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP
    installers. Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.
    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't
    blame me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like
    that, NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of
    interface which is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you
    don't know you have to first click on a printer, get into its
    details interface and only then to you get "Remove"?

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware
    and Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to
    access.
    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11.

    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google
    email. Glad to help out.
    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

    You DO NOT HAVE to click on a printer to get its details. There are
    other paths to get you there, Liarboy.

    Try this:

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > Devices > More Devices and Printer Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a
    printer > Select Remove Device

    Here a screenshot showing Settings in the background and Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers panel that has all the
    printers plus other devices on it. The M140 and 7800 are my
    printers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UyKCaYdcybZPGPoKOIdOdOGisi3qFcbf/view?usp=share_link

    And you don't think it nonsensical that click on the icon in Control
    Panel labelled "Devices and Printers" takes you do the Settings app...

    ...and then you have to hunt to find out how to ACTUALLY open the
    Devices and Printers control panel?


    Right click on a printer and select Remove Device. OR, do the same
    thing in Device Manager. Did you even try that????

    Device Manager screenshot:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzOzGAgErlDD_MUOfO-h8yeVijvFDHWi/view?usp=share_link

    I stand by the statement that you don't know what you are doing.
    This is a dead simple fix.

    I fixed the problem, you lying little shit.

    I was commenting on how nonsensical the UI for doing so was...

    ...and you just demonstrated that so very well.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 20 09:40:15 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:39:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-19 08:33, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from
    Chrome or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go
    to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and
    re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end
    up with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to
    a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only
    two of them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond
    to a click in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it
    only showed two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I
    couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I
    don't know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings"
    on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling?
    I have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP
    installers. Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.
    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't
    blame me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like
    that, NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of
    interface which is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you
    don't know you have to first click on a printer, get into its
    details interface and only then to you get "Remove"?

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware
    and Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to
    access.
    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11.

    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google
    email. Glad to help out.
    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

    You DO NOT HAVE to click on a printer to get its details. There are
    other paths to get you there, Liarboy.

    Try this:

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > Devices > More Devices and Printer Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a
    printer > Select Remove Device

    Here a screenshot showing Settings in the background and Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers panel that has all the printers plus other devices on it. The M140 and 7800 are my
    printers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UyKCaYdcybZPGPoKOIdOdOGisi3qFcbf/view?usp=share_link
    And you don't think it nonsensical that click on the icon in Control
    Panel labelled "Devices and Printers" takes you do the Settings app...

    ...and then you have to hunt to find out how to ACTUALLY open the
    Devices and Printers control panel?

    Right click on a printer and select Remove Device. OR, do the same
    thing in Device Manager. Did you even try that????

    Device Manager screenshot:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzOzGAgErlDD_MUOfO-h8yeVijvFDHWi/view?usp=share_link

    I stand by the statement that you don't know what you are doing.
    This is a dead simple fix.
    I fixed the problem, you lying little shit.

    I was commenting on how nonsensical the UI for doing so was...

    ...and you just demonstrated that so very well.


    I agree it is a convoluted way to get there, BUT you never stated in your original post that you found the solution and fixed the problem.
    That is, until AFTER I posted two solutions.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Oct 20 10:59:29 2023
    On 2023-10-20 09:40, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:39:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-19 08:33, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from
    Chrome or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go
    to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and
    re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end
    up with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to
    a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only
    two of them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond
    to a click in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it
    only showed two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I
    couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I
    don't know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings"
    on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling?
    I have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP
    installers. Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.
    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't
    blame me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like
    that, NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of
    interface which is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you
    don't know you have to first click on a printer, get into its
    details interface and only then to you get "Remove"?

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware
    and Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to
    access.
    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11.

    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google
    email. Glad to help out.
    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

    You DO NOT HAVE to click on a printer to get its details. There are
    other paths to get you there, Liarboy.

    Try this:

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > Devices > More Devices and Printer
    Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a
    printer > Select Remove Device

    Here a screenshot showing Settings in the background and Control
    Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers panel that has all the
    printers plus other devices on it. The M140 and 7800 are my
    printers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UyKCaYdcybZPGPoKOIdOdOGisi3qFcbf/view?usp=share_link
    And you don't think it nonsensical that click on the icon in Control
    Panel labelled "Devices and Printers" takes you do the Settings app...

    ...and then you have to hunt to find out how to ACTUALLY open the
    Devices and Printers control panel?

    Right click on a printer and select Remove Device. OR, do the same
    thing in Device Manager. Did you even try that????

    Device Manager screenshot:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzOzGAgErlDD_MUOfO-h8yeVijvFDHWi/view?usp=share_link

    I stand by the statement that you don't know what you are doing.
    This is a dead simple fix.
    I fixed the problem, you lying little shit.

    I was commenting on how nonsensical the UI for doing so was...

    ...and you just demonstrated that so very well.


    I agree it is a convoluted way to get there, BUT you never stated in your original post that you found the solution and fixed the problem.
    That is, until AFTER I posted two solutions.


    'So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers
    that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.'

    That is me literally saying I ended up getting the the Devices and
    Printers" control panel, you lying little shit.

    I know very well how to remove a printer from that interface.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Oct 20 13:04:14 2023
    On 2023-10-20 12:34, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:59:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-20 09:40, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:39:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-19 08:33, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from
    Chrome or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go >>>>>>>> to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and
    re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end
    up with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to
    a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only
    two of them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond >>>>>>>> to a click in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it >>>>>>>> only showed two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I >>>>>>>> couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I
    don't know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" >>>>>>>> on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling?
    I have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP
    installers. Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.
    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't
    blame me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like
    that, NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of
    interface which is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you
    don't know you have to first click on a printer, get into its
    details interface and only then to you get "Remove"?

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware >>>>>>> and Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to
    access.
    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11. >>>>>>>
    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google
    email. Glad to help out.
    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

    You DO NOT HAVE to click on a printer to get its details. There are
    other paths to get you there, Liarboy.

    Try this:

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > Devices > More Devices and Printer >>>>> Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a
    printer > Select Remove Device

    Here a screenshot showing Settings in the background and Control
    Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers panel that has all the >>>>> printers plus other devices on it. The M140 and 7800 are my
    printers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UyKCaYdcybZPGPoKOIdOdOGisi3qFcbf/view?usp=share_link
    And you don't think it nonsensical that click on the icon in Control
    Panel labelled "Devices and Printers" takes you do the Settings app... >>>>
    ...and then you have to hunt to find out how to ACTUALLY open the
    Devices and Printers control panel?

    Right click on a printer and select Remove Device. OR, do the same
    thing in Device Manager. Did you even try that????

    Device Manager screenshot:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzOzGAgErlDD_MUOfO-h8yeVijvFDHWi/view?usp=share_link

    I stand by the statement that you don't know what you are doing.
    This is a dead simple fix.
    I fixed the problem, you lying little shit.

    I was commenting on how nonsensical the UI for doing so was...

    ...and you just demonstrated that so very well.


    I agree it is a convoluted way to get there, BUT you never stated in your original post that you found the solution and fixed the problem.
    That is, until AFTER I posted two solutions.
    'So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers
    that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...
    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.'

    That is me literally saying I ended up getting the the Devices and
    Printers" control panel, you lying little shit.

    I know very well how to remove a printer from that interface.

    ???? I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL ???? Really?

    Actually, you can. Control Panel, Small icon view, right click Devices and Printers, Open in New Window.

    I see, so I have to do as special click now... ...when up until this
    point, simply clicking on it worked?

    How is one supposed to DISCOVER this fact, you piece of shit?


    See, if you just look for something you just might find it! You just want to bitch, not problem solve.

    I win.

    I solved my client's problem and got paid. I got paid MORE because
    Microsoft replaced well-understood functionality for no good reason and
    left something broken in its place.

    I win.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 20 12:34:09 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:59:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-20 09:40, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:39:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-19 08:33, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-10-15 13:11, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:35:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>> Windows 11 continues Microsoft's slow deprecation of Control
    Panel...

    ...but they're doing a terrible job of it.

    I had a climate call me because he was unable to print from
    Chrome or Edge, and I quickly learned that you can no longer go >>>>>> to "Devices and Printers" in Control Panel to remove and
    re-install printers.

    You get immediately shunted to Settings.

    Except, in Settings' interface to your printers, you can end
    up with entries YOU CAN'T REMOVE.

    Normally, you click on the entry for a printer (there's a ">"
    character at the right end of the line) and that leads you to
    a page of settings specific to that printer.

    But this guy had the same printer listed FIVE times and only
    two of them had that ">", and the other three wouldn't respond
    to a click in any way. "Troubleshooting" was no use, because it >>>>>> only showed two copies of the printer, and not the ones that I
    couldn't access.

    So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I
    don't know it was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" >>>>>> on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...

    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.

    How nonsensical.

    Why did you not try deleting all the printers and reinstalling?
    I have seen a similar duplicate entries issue with HP
    installers. Deleting all and reinstall fixed it.
    I DID try deleting all the printers, you lying little shit. Don't
    blame me that you can't read.

    There were printers listed in settings that I could not access to
    delete. They had an entry, but when you clicked on an entry like
    that, NOTHING HAPPENED. You go no access to the next level of
    interface which is where the "Remove" would be.

    Or is it that you know so little about the Settings app that you
    don't know you have to first click on a printer, get into its
    details interface and only then to you get "Remove"?

    Oh, maybe you could not find the correct Control Panel "Hardware
    and Sound > Devices and Printers" panel that I know how to
    access.
    That "control panel" now immediately opens settings in Windows 11. >>>>>
    If you ever need any more Windows advice you have my Google
    email. Glad to help out.
    Based on what you think you know... ...no thanks.

    You DO NOT HAVE to click on a printer to get its details. There are
    other paths to get you there, Liarboy.

    Try this:

    Settings > Bluetooth and Devices > Devices > More Devices and Printer >>> Settings (brings up the old Control Panel view) > Right Click on a
    printer > Select Remove Device

    Here a screenshot showing Settings in the background and Control
    Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers panel that has all the
    printers plus other devices on it. The M140 and 7800 are my
    printers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UyKCaYdcybZPGPoKOIdOdOGisi3qFcbf/view?usp=share_link
    And you don't think it nonsensical that click on the icon in Control
    Panel labelled "Devices and Printers" takes you do the Settings app...

    ...and then you have to hunt to find out how to ACTUALLY open the
    Devices and Printers control panel?

    Right click on a printer and select Remove Device. OR, do the same
    thing in Device Manager. Did you even try that????

    Device Manager screenshot:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzOzGAgErlDD_MUOfO-h8yeVijvFDHWi/view?usp=share_link

    I stand by the statement that you don't know what you are doing.
    This is a dead simple fix.
    I fixed the problem, you lying little shit.

    I was commenting on how nonsensical the UI for doing so was...

    ...and you just demonstrated that so very well.


    I agree it is a convoluted way to get there, BUT you never stated in your original post that you found the solution and fixed the problem.
    That is, until AFTER I posted two solutions.
    'So after a lot of fooling around, I finally tried... ...I don't know it
    was either "Advanced settings" or "More settings" on one of the printers that I COULD access...

    ...and you know what it did?

    It led me back to the "Devices and Printers" control panel...
    ...I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL.'

    That is me literally saying I ended up getting the the Devices and
    Printers" control panel, you lying little shit.

    I know very well how to remove a printer from that interface.

    ???? I COULDN'T ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTROL PANEL ???? Really?

    Actually, you can. Control Panel, Small icon view, right click Devices and Printers, Open in New Window.

    See, if you just look for something you just might find it! You just want to bitch, not problem solve.

    I win.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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