• Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it" fo

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 13 17:43:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it"
    for the exciting brand new and quite distinct *YELLOW!!!!!!* iPhone?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 13 11:16:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-13 10:43, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it" for
    the exciting brand new and quite distinct *YELLOW!!!!!!* iPhone?

    Still so triggered, Arlen?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 13 21:17:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-13, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-13 10:43, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it"
    for the exciting brand new and quite distinct *YELLOW!!!!!!* iPhone?

    Still so triggered, Arlen?

    Apple lives in his mind rent free, 24/7.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 13 22:37:38 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-13, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Apple lives in his mind rent free

    Apple
    this yellow color
    the color yellow
    the color yellow
    the color yellow

    24/7 : )

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 13 22:31:35 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Apple lives in his mind rent free

    Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

    Hence...
    *It's a valid question of why this yellow color is both needed & wanted.*

    In fact, the answer to the question revealingly points directly to...

    *What kind of customer base does the iPhone product really appeal to?*

    Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls are
    not needed and nobody wants them, and when nospam has repeatedly claimed
    that gps spoofing is not needed and nobody wants it, and that bigger and perhaps even removable batteries are not needed and nobody wants them.

    Heck, nospam has said that sd cards are not needed and nobody wants them,
    and that FM radios are not needed and nobody wants them, and even that the venerable 3.5mm standard connection jack is not needed & nobody wants it.

    It must be observed that the color yellow is, apparently deeply needed.
    And, it must be said the color yellow is apparently what everyone wants.

    Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone wants it?
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Mon Mar 13 18:58:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <tuo87p$2l153$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls are
    not needed and nobody wants them,

    i never said that. in fact i said the *opposite*.

    the rest of your lies deleted.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 13 16:17:54 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-13 15:31, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Apple lives in his mind rent free

    Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

    As do almost all other companies.

    Consumers like colour choices, Arelen.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 14 01:44:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam wrote:

    Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls are
    not needed and nobody wants them,

    i never said that. in fact i said the *opposite*.

    What's more important is the salient observation you haven't yet claimed
    that the *NEW! _yellow_ iPhone* is "not needed" and "not wanted", nospam.

    Do you know why you think yellow iPhones are desperately needed & wanted?
    I do.

    HINT: You defend _everything_ Apple does, to the death. No matter what.
    But you only have seven excuses for what you _hate_ about Apple products.
    One of them is to claim anything Apple can't do is not needed & not wanted.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 13 19:13:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-13 18:44, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls
    are
    not needed and nobody wants them,

    i never said that. in fact i said the *opposite*.

    What's more important is the salient observation you haven't yet claimed
    that the *NEW! _yellow_ iPhone* is "not needed" and "not wanted", nospam.

    Do you know why you think yellow iPhones are desperately needed & wanted?
    I do.

    HINT: You defend _everything_ Apple does, to the death. No matter what.
    But you only have seven excuses for what you _hate_ about Apple products.
    One of them is to claim anything Apple can't do is not needed & not wanted.

    I know you're not familiar with this term:

    "false dichotomy".

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  • From fos@sdf.org@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Mar 14 13:05:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-13, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Apple lives in his mind rent free

    Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

    Hence...
    *It's a valid question of why this yellow color is both needed & wanted.*

    In fact, the answer to the question revealingly points directly to...

    *What kind of customer base does the iPhone product really appeal to?*

    Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone wants it?

    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina from
    corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like sort
    of a steampunk look. :)

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to fos@sdf.org on Tue Mar 14 09:33:58 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 09:05, fos@sdf.org wrote:

    i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina from
    corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like sort
    of a steampunk look. :)

    Could be cool. Hmm, put it in a pressure chamber at a couple bar with
    high O2 and get the 'look' quicker?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to fos@sdf.org on Tue Mar 14 15:11:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14, fos@sdf.org <fos@sdf.org> wrote:
    On 2023-03-13, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Apple lives in his mind rent free

    Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

    Hence... *It's a valid question of why this yellow color is both
    needed & wanted.*

    In fact, the answer to the question revealingly points directly to...

    *What kind of customer base does the iPhone product really appeal
    to?*

    Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone
    wants it?

    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    He's sealioning, not asking genuine questions.

    i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder
    coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina
    from corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like
    sort of a steampunk look. :)

    That would be cool.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Nic on Tue Mar 14 11:57:33 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 11:40, Nic wrote:
    fos@sdf.org wrote:

    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

    People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to fos@sdf.org on Tue Mar 14 11:40:44 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    fos@sdf.org wrote:

    Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone wants it?

    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

    i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina from
    corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like sort
    of a steampunk look. :)

    It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they do.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to RJH on Tue Mar 14 12:40:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 12:26, RJH wrote:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

    People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
    decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.

    Context. Indeed Apple make their design and marketing choices, and push
    them. That is, hmm let me look it up .... oh, yeah, got it: Their job.

    The degree to which this is "informed" by studying the market, tastes,
    trends, desires, histories, forecasts, etc. is part of ... hang, on I
    have to look this up ... ah yeah, of course: market research. Which in
    turn relies on internal and external inputs. Apple's market research
    arm is both large and very, very talented.

    How Apple filter the results and make such a design choice is up to them
    and there is no guarantee it is "right" or will bear the hoped for fruit.

    What I find odd in this is that there was only one colour offered up -
    Would have thought 3 or 4 would make more sense. But they had their
    reasons - and no need to offer those up.

    IAC: Apple are not forcing anyone to buy it - but they have a duty to themselves and shareholders to push it.

    --
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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Mar 14 16:26:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

    People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
    decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.

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  • From Wilf@21:1/5 to RJH on Tue Mar 14 16:39:50 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 14/03/2023 at 16:26, RJH wrote:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

    People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
    decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.


    Personally, I think it's reasonable for a manufacturer to decide on
    colours, hopefully based on known customer likes and dislikes. But if
    you want an iPhone (or any other phone) which is pink with purple and
    green dots, say, then just buy the appropriate cover.
    --
    Wilf

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to RJH on Tue Mar 14 17:09:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black
    because that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
    needed.

    People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
    decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the
    customer.

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has _actually_ been said
    is that Apple knows better than you what their customers want. And
    that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and doesn't sell well
    with their own customers than any troll on Usenet.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 13:01:44 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <tuq77n$dlba$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
    wrote:


    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
    decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.

    nobody ever said that, liar.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nic on Tue Mar 14 17:11:26 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
    fos@sdf.org wrote:

    Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone
    wants it?

    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
    needed.

    i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder
    coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina
    from corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas.
    like sort of a steampunk look. :)

    It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they
    do.

    "OnLy ReLiGiOuS fAnAtIcS hAvE cOlOr PrEfErEnCeS, gUyS! #IAmVerySmart"

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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Mar 14 13:39:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    "OnLy ReLiGiOuS fAnAtIcS hAvE cOlOr PrEfErEnCeS, gUyS!
    #IAmVerySmart"

    You whooshed completely that the excuse nospam uses has nothing to do with
    the color on the phone but what's *inside* the phone that really matters.

    You and nospam can't see what's *inside* the iPhone.
    All either one of you can see is only the meaningless color on the outside.

    Apple knows it's the only thing that matters to people like you & nospam.

    If you notice what nospam says, you'd realize nospam always uses the tired excuse that any given feature inside the phone that Apple can't figure out
    how to implement is by nospam's excuses "not needed" & "nobody wants it."

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Mar 14 17:34:36 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Alan Browne wrote:

    On 2023-03-14 12:26, RJH wrote:
    On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
    wrote:
    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black
    because that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a
    reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
    needed.

    People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple
    alone decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the >>customer.

    Context. Indeed Apple make their design and marketing choices, and
    push them. That is, hmm let me look it up .... oh, yeah, got it:
    Their job.

    The degree to which this is "informed" by studying the market,
    tastes, trends, desires, histories, forecasts, etc. is part of ...
    hang, on I have to look this up ... ah yeah, of course: market
    research. Which in turn relies on internal and external inputs.
    Apple's market research arm is both large and very, very talented.

    How Apple filter the results and make such a design choice is up to
    them and there is no guarantee it is "right" or will bear the hoped
    for fruit.

    What I find odd in this is that there was only one colour offered up
    - Would have thought 3 or 4 would make more sense. But they had
    their reasons - and no need to offer those up.

    IAC: Apple are not forcing anyone to buy it - but they have a duty to >themselves and shareholders to push it.


    How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
    the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
    trick question.

    I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
    because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
    model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone functionally. Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
    offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nic on Tue Mar 14 18:22:32 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    "OnLy ReLiGiOuS fAnAtIcS hAvE cOlOr PrEfErEnCeS, gUyS!
    #IAmVerySmart"

    You whooshed completely that the excuse nospam uses

    You're the one who whooshed, trollboi. There is *no* mention of nospam
    in the post of yours to which I replied - and that's why you have
    deleted quoted material from your latest post, as if you think that
    doing so will hide this fact. It won't. Here's what you actually said,
    you pathetic lying little weasel:

    On 2023-03-14, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
    fos@sdf.org wrote:

    Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone
    wants it?

    the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
    that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

    I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
    needed.

    i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder
    coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina
    from corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas.
    like sort of a steampunk look. :)

    It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they
    do.

    Lies and weak trolls are all you have, shithead. It's sad.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 18:26:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
    the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not
    a trick question.

    It's also not very interesting or relevant.

    I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
    because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
    model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone functionally. Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
    offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

    So what? Many companies release products with new colors or options mid
    cycle. This is nothing new - yet because Apple did it this one time, you
    and your little weak trollboi cohort decided to troll about it because
    Apple: BAD. The fact that you people are *this* upset by something so
    trivial, and spending literal *days* trolling about it says a whole lot
    about your psychological constitution - and it's pretty pathetic. ; )

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Tue Mar 14 15:23:17 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <k7bo27FjgotU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the
    customer.

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has _actually_ been said
    is that Apple knows better than you what their customers want. And
    that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and doesn't sell well
    with their own customers than any troll on Usenet.

    it's not just apple either. every company does that, to varying degrees
    of success. to not focus on what potential customers want so is
    foolish.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 14 19:30:18 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam wrote:

    In article <k7bo27FjgotU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple
    alone > decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not
    the > customer.

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has actually been
    said is that Apple knows better than you what their customers
    want. And that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and
    doesn't sell well with their own customers than any troll on
    Usenet.

    it's not just apple either. every company does that, to varying
    degrees of success. to not focus on what potential customers want so
    is foolish.

    Are you saying Apple *knew* the customer wanted yellow iPhones, or are
    Apple telling the customer *this* is what you want?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 15:23:18 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <xn0nzc6s18wetia001@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
    the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
    trick question.

    that depends on the product, but generally mid-cycle.

    I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
    because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
    model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone functionally.

    apple has been doing that for several years.

    Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
    offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

    it's not a ploy. there is a *huge* sales spike in the holiday quarter
    (although this past year, that was supply-constrained). the spring
    quarter is generally slower, so they add another colour to smooth out
    the peaks. nothing unusual about that and not unique to apple.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 15:15:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 13:34, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan Browne wrote:

    What I find odd in this is that there was only one colour offered up
    - Would have thought 3 or 4 would make more sense. But they had
    their reasons - and no need to offer those up.

    IAC: Apple are not forcing anyone to buy it - but they have a duty to
    themselves and shareholders to push it.


    How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
    the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
    trick question.

    I don't recall specifically, but it seems in the past they have offered
    a mid term color upgrade of more than 1 colour on various products. Not something I get very worked up about as it is deep in my "so what?" zone.

    I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
    because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
    model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone functionally. Releasing a new color for the device after the initial offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

    Let them scoff. And yes, Apple management has a duty to the company and
    even those pesky shareholders to lift sales figures.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Tue Mar 14 16:52:33 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <tuql19$g8f6$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    colour ?

    that's the first you've noticed that?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 16:18:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <xn0nzc9u090jla1000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:



    Are you saying Apple *knew* the customer wanted yellow iPhones, or are
    Apple telling the customer *this* is what you want?

    neither.

    they choose colours for various products based on all sorts of factors.
    some colours end up being more popular than others, which feeds back
    into what colours they might introduce in the future.

    the imac is available in yellow and the iphone 5c was available in
    yellow a decade ago. apparently they sold good enough to offer the
    iphone in yellow.

    those who don't like yellow can choose another colour.

    if the yellow iphone doesn't sell well (there are no guarantees it will
    be popular) then the next iphone probably won't be in yellow.

    on the other hand, it might be very popular. nobody but apple knows the
    exact breakdown of each colour.

    it ain't just apple: <https://m-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/38016-xlarge/HTC-8X-2ad.jpg>

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 20:27:34 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0nzc9u090jla1000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Are you saying Apple *knew* the customer wanted yellow iPhones, or
    are Apple telling the customer *this* is what you want?

    neither.

    they choose colours for various products based on all sorts of
    factors. some colours end up being more popular than others, which
    feeds back into what colours they might introduce in the future.

    the imac is available in yellow and the iphone 5c was available in
    yellow a decade ago. apparently they sold good enough to offer the
    iphone in yellow.

    those who don't like yellow can choose another colour.

    if the yellow iphone doesn't sell well (there are no guarantees it
    will be popular) then the next iphone probably won't be in yellow.

    on the other hand, it might be very popular. nobody but apple knows
    the exact breakdown of each colour.

    it ain't just apple:
    <https://m-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/38016-xlarge/HTC-8X-2ad.jpg>

    “colour” ?

    I thought you were in America. We don’t spell it that way. Where are
    you anyway?

    Irrelevant. You really have nothing constructive to add to the
    conversation, do you? You completely ignore any reasonable discussion
    about this. You're just here to troll.

    --
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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 14 20:22:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0nzc9u090jla1000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:



    Are you saying Apple *knew* the customer wanted yellow iPhones, or are
    Apple telling the customer *this* is what you want?

    neither.

    they choose colours for various products based on all sorts of factors.
    some colours end up being more popular than others, which feeds back
    into what colours they might introduce in the future.

    the imac is available in yellow and the iphone 5c was available in
    yellow a decade ago. apparently they sold good enough to offer the
    iphone in yellow.

    those who don't like yellow can choose another colour.

    if the yellow iphone doesn't sell well (there are no guarantees it will
    be popular) then the next iphone probably won't be in yellow.

    on the other hand, it might be very popular. nobody but apple knows the
    exact breakdown of each colour.

    it ain't just apple: <https://m-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/38016-xlarge/HTC-8X-2ad.jpg>


    “colour” ?

    I thought you were in America. We don’t spell it that way. Where are you anyway?

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 14 21:53:54 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam wrote:

    In article <tuql19$g8f6$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman ><REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    colour ?

    that's the first you've noticed that?

    I thought you had just misspelled it once, but this time you misspelled
    it many times...

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  • From Wilf@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 21:52:14 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 14/03/2023 at 20:22, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0nzc9u090jla1000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:



    Are you saying Apple *knew* the customer wanted yellow iPhones, or are
    Apple telling the customer *this* is what you want?

    neither.

    they choose colours for various products based on all sorts of factors.
    some colours end up being more popular than others, which feeds back
    into what colours they might introduce in the future.

    the imac is available in yellow and the iphone 5c was available in
    yellow a decade ago. apparently they sold good enough to offer the
    iphone in yellow.

    those who don't like yellow can choose another colour.

    if the yellow iphone doesn't sell well (there are no guarantees it will
    be popular) then the next iphone probably won't be in yellow.

    on the other hand, it might be very popular. nobody but apple knows the
    exact breakdown of each colour.

    it ain't just apple:
    <https://m-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/38016-xlarge/HTC-8X-2ad.jpg>


    “colour” ?

    I thought you were in America. We don’t spell it that way. Where are you anyway?


    Other countries exist and they sell iPhones there :)


    --
    Wilf

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 15:21:43 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 12:30, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    In article <k7bo27FjgotU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


    Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple
    alone > decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not
    the > customer.

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has actually been
    said is that Apple knows better than you what their customers
    want. And that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and
    doesn't sell well with their own customers than any troll on
    Usenet.

    it's not just apple either. every company does that, to varying
    degrees of success. to not focus on what potential customers want so
    is foolish.

    Are you saying Apple *knew* the customer wanted yellow iPhones, or are
    Apple telling the customer *this* is what you want?

    You seemed to be confused by whole concepts in the area of consumer
    preferences and market research and functional versus asthetic preferences.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 15:20:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 14:53, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    In article <tuql19$g8f6$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    ³colour² ?

    that's the first you've noticed that?

    I thought you had just misspelled it once, but this time you misspelled
    it many times...

    And this is the least bit important... ...how?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 14 15:22:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 13:52, nospam wrote:
    In article <tuql19$g8f6$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    ³colour² ?

    that's the first you've noticed that?

    It seems to me that you spell it correctly.

    :-)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 18:25:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <xn0nzcdkq95o9ri000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    colour ?

    that's the first you've noticed that?

    I thought you had just misspelled it once, but this time you misspelled
    it many times...

    because that's how i spell it.

    what's odd is you only noticed it now.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 14 19:47:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 18:20, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-03-14 14:53, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    In article <tuql19$g8f6$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    ³colour² ?

    that's the first you've noticed that?

    I thought you had just misspelled it once, but this time you misspelled
    it many times...

    And this is the least bit important... ...how?

    He was running out of tangents ...


    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.invalid on Wed Mar 15 06:12:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 15-03-2023 00:53 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    it's not a ploy. there is a *huge* sales spike in the holiday quarter (although this past year, that was supply-constrained). the spring
    quarter is generally slower, so they add another colour to smooth out
    the peaks. nothing unusual about that and not unique to apple.

    In other words that yellow iPhone is not only needed but also it's wanted.

    It's that pesky crazy hardware like sd cards which nobody needs nor wants.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to dan on Tue Mar 14 17:21:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 17:18, dan wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:34:36 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

    How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
    the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
    trick question.

    Whenever an iPhone has flagging sales, Apple releases a new bold color.
    Only Apple knows why that's a very successful iPhone sales boost strategy.

    I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
    because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
    model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone
    functionally.

    It's nothing more than coat of paint which Apple knows will reinvigorate iPhone sales until the USB-C iPhone is released to even greater fanfare.

    Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
    offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

    It must have something to do with the type of customer Apple appeals to.

    Sneering is such a great pose.

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  • From dan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 14 22:18:13 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:34:36 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

    How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
    the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
    trick question.

    Whenever an iPhone has flagging sales, Apple releases a new bold color.
    Only Apple knows why that's a very successful iPhone sales boost strategy.

    I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
    because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
    model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone functionally.

    It's nothing more than coat of paint which Apple knows will reinvigorate
    iPhone sales until the USB-C iPhone is released to even greater fanfare.

    Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
    offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

    It must have something to do with the type of customer Apple appeals to.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to mike on Tue Mar 14 17:44:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 17:42, mike wrote:
    On 15-03-2023 00:53 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    it's not a ploy. there is a *huge* sales spike in the holiday quarter
    (although this past year, that was supply-constrained). the spring
    quarter is generally slower, so they add another colour to smooth out
    the peaks. nothing unusual about that and not unique to apple.

    In other words that yellow iPhone is not only needed but also it's wanted.

    It's that pesky crazy hardware like sd cards which nobody needs nor wants.

    You're discovering the difference between aesthetics and utility choices
    in consumer products.

    Congratulations!

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Wed Mar 15 06:19:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 14-03-2023 13:09 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has _actually_ been said
    is that Apple knows better than you what their customers want. And
    that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and doesn't sell well
    with their own customers than any troll on Usenet.

    You are completely right that nobody needs USB-C nor does anyone want USB-C because what they really need is lightning & that's what they really want.

    Same with those cumbersome sd cards which nobody needs and nobody wants.
    Same with those loud FM radios which nobody needs and nobody wants.
    The list goes on, as with those 3.5mm connections nobody needs nor wants.

    What everyone needs is a yellow iPhone instead of useful things like those.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 20:58:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 14 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system:

    It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they
    do.

    Lies and weak trolls are all you have, shithead. It's sad.

    The whole needs and wants thing is a farce perpetrated by nospam who says
    what you need and what you want is bright colors but not anything useful.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net on Tue Mar 14 21:05:35 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <tur57n$j52k$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
    <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

    The whole needs and wants thing is a farce perpetrated by nospam who says what you need and what you want is bright colors but not anything useful.

    nobody said that, liar.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to mike on Wed Mar 15 01:39:34 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
    On 14-03-2023 13:09 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has _actually_ been
    said is that Apple knows better than you what their customers want.
    And that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and doesn't
    sell well with their own customers than any troll on Usenet.

    nobody needs USB-C

    This has nothing to do with USB-C. God you are desperate. LOL... : D


    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Nil on Wed Mar 15 10:20:33 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 20:58, Nil wrote:
    On 14 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system:

    It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they
    do.

    Lies and weak trolls are all you have, shithead. It's sad.

    The whole needs and wants thing is a farce perpetrated by nospam who says what you need and what you want is bright colors but not anything useful.

    Distortion of what he said, which was (essentially): Apple decide what
    they believe there is a market for (or that they can create) and go for
    it. Further, of course, they advertise that. As they should.

    It's called "running a business".

    "Apple is ungodly well managed."
    -Charlie Munger.

    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Wed Mar 15 11:02:26 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <urkQL.1048850$gGD7.140485@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Same with those cumbersome sd cards which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    What percentage of people with Android phones that have SD cards
    actually use that feature?

    it's actually very low.

    adding a feature that few people use only to add to a checklist is
    stupid.

    plus of those who do use cards, they almost always use only one card
    that they never remove (and can't because it's adopted). worse, since
    sd cards are slower than main memory, they are *reducing* the overall performance of their phone. some might call it 'throttling'.

    Same with those loud FM radios which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    Is this even an issue?

    no.

    again, adding a feature that few people use only to add to a checklist
    is stupid.

    it also requires wired headphones, making it impractical in most
    situations.

    those who do want to listen to radio stations can use an app to stream
    nearly any radio station anywhere on the planet, and not just nearby fm stations, but also am radio, police, etc., and without needing wired headphones.

    I hate FM - sound quality may be way above AM,
    but it's still audio constrained.

    *way* too many ads and mindless chatter from djs. it's noise.

    these days, people stream content (e.g., spotify, apple music) and/or
    listen to whatever is stored on their device, where they can choose
    exactly what *they* want to listen to and without being bombarded by
    unwanted noise every few minutes.

    What everyone needs is a yellow iPhone instead of useful things like those.

    This attention to the yellow iPhone has certainly triggered a lot of
    people who I suspect have deeper issues that need attention...

    it sure has.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to mike on Wed Mar 15 10:16:58 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-14 20:49, mike wrote:
    On 14-03-2023 13:09 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has _actually_ been said
    is that Apple knows better than you what their customers want. And
    that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and doesn't sell well
    with their own customers than any troll on Usenet.

    You are completely right that nobody needs USB-C nor does anyone want USB-C because what they really need is lightning & that's what they really want.

    Same with those cumbersome sd cards which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    What percentage of people with Android phones that have SD cards
    actually use that feature?

    Same with those loud FM radios which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    Is this even an issue? I hate FM - sound quality may be way above AM,
    but it's still audio constrained.

    The list goes on, as with those 3.5mm connections nobody needs nor wants.

    Yeah, technology from the 19th century is really needed these days.


    What everyone needs is a yellow iPhone instead of useful things like those.

    This attention to the yellow iPhone has certainly triggered a lot of
    people who I suspect have deeper issues that need attention...

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 15 15:12:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-14 20:58, Nil wrote:
    On 14 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system:

    It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way
    they do.

    Lies and weak trolls are all you have, shithead. It's sad.

    The whole needs and wants thing is a farce perpetrated by nospam who
    says what you need and what you want is bright colors but not
    anything useful.

    Distortion of what he said, which was (essentially): Apple decide what
    they believe there is a market for (or that they can create) and go
    for it. Further, of course, they advertise that. As they should.

    It's called "running a business".

    "Apple is ungodly well managed." -Charlie Munger.

    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an indictment of ... Apple haters.

    It truly is. Imagine what a shitty life someone must have to become
    upset about a company releasing a trivial update to a product line that
    you are compelled to spend literal days trolling the company's forums
    making juvenile jokes about it and insulting anyone who dares to buy
    their products. It's frankly pathetic.

    --
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  • From mike@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Thu Mar 16 00:41:34 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 15-03-2023 14:16 Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    You are completely right that nobody needs USB-C nor does anyone want USB-C >> because what they really need is lightning & that's what they really want. >>
    Same with those cumbersome sd cards which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    What percentage of people with Android phones that have SD cards
    actually use that feature?

    I don't know the answer but I have two answers which seem reasonable.

    The first is that it's better not to have to use the inexpensive $20
    flashlight than it is to not ever have the flashlight when you need it.

    The second is that for $20 you can store more images & video on that card
    than twice the storage of the phone AND you can easily move it to another
    phone without needing to do anything other than to push a button to do it.

    Same with those loud FM radios which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    Is this even an issue? I hate FM - sound quality may be way above AM,
    but it's still audio constrained.

    Same issue. When you really need it, it's better if it's there than not.

    The list goes on, as with those 3.5mm connections nobody needs nor wants.

    Yeah, technology from the 19th century is really needed these days.

    People have been carrying water canteens since the 19th century too.
    Leaving the water at home doesn't make the hike better in and of itself.

    When you need water on a hike, it's better to have the option than not.

    What everyone needs is a yellow iPhone instead of useful things like those.

    This attention to the yellow iPhone has certainly triggered a lot of
    people who I suspect have deeper issues that need attention...

    It shows iPhone consumers care more for looks sometimes than for function.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 16:08:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 15:34, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule.

    ROFL - all we're doing is rebutting the silliness of this obsession over
    the yellow iPhone. It's the Apple haters who brought it up.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From David E. Ross@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 15 12:34:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule.

    --
    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com/>

    Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
    represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods. Real
    meat is natural. Beyond Meat is definitely not.

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  • From David E. Ross@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 15 14:02:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 3/16/2023 1:38 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. >> It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule.

    ROFL - all we're doing is rebutting the silliness of this obsession over
    the yellow iPhone. It's the Apple haters who brought it up.

    You have it backward because they're having fun with Apple investing
    probably hundreds of millions of dollars for no added capabilities.

    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful instead.

    If Apple couldn't think of anything useful for the iPhone other than a new color, maybe they could have put those many millions to dividends instead.

    At least by giving hundreds of millions to stockholders, something good
    would have come out of the years of research Apple expends on new colors.
    --
    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com/>

    Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
    represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods. Real
    meat is natural. Beyond Meat is definitely not.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 13:21:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 12:34, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule.


    No "Apple lover" here started a single thread about the colour of
    Apple's products.

    I doubt you can find a single one if you look back over an entire decade.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to mike on Wed Mar 15 13:24:40 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 12:11, mike wrote:
    On 15-03-2023 14:16 Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    You are completely right that nobody needs USB-C nor does anyone want
    USB-C
    because what they really need is lightning & that's what they really
    want.

    Same with those cumbersome sd cards which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    What percentage of people with Android phones that have SD cards
    actually use that feature?

    I don't know the answer but I have two answers which seem reasonable.

    The first is that it's better not to have to use the inexpensive $20 flashlight than it is to not ever have the flashlight when you need it.

    Do you carry matches?

    Tinder and flint?

    You never know: you MIGHT need one if your flashlight failes.

    (BTW, did you notice that being able to use your iPhone as a flashlight
    is something Apple does include?)


    The second is that for $20 you can store more images & video on that card than twice the storage of the phone AND you can easily move it to another phone without needing to do anything other than to push a button to do it.

    But if few people are actually DOING it...


    Same with those loud FM radios which nobody needs and nobody wants.

    Is this even an issue?  I hate FM - sound quality may be way above AM,
    but it's still audio constrained.

    Same issue. When you really need it, it's better if it's there than not.

    So you should have AM as well, right?


    The list goes on, as with those 3.5mm connections nobody needs nor
    wants.

    Yeah, technology from the 19th century is really needed these days.

    People have been carrying water canteens since the 19th century too.
    Leaving the water at home doesn't make the hike better in and of itself.

    When you need water on a hike, it's better to have the option than not.

    Seriously? Really?

    "In certain circumstances, you might need X, so everyone should always
    include X in every phone".

    What everyone needs is a yellow iPhone instead of useful things like
    those.

    This attention to the yellow iPhone has certainly triggered a lot of
    people who I suspect have deeper issues that need attention...

    It shows iPhone consumers care more for looks sometimes than for function.

    Nope.

    It shows that consumers care about aesthetics.

    This is not actually news to anyone but you.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 21:51:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, David E. Ross <nobody@notme.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    Only in your bizarro Troll World.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with
    yellow.

    It absolutely is. And they are *so* triggered that they go out of their
    way to come to Apple newsgroups and troll about it *for literal days*.

    It's the Apple lovers who are triggered

    "I know you are, but what am I?" is about as childish an argument as it
    gets, but is naturally fitting behavior for juvenile trolls who get
    upset by mere colors.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 14:44:34 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 14:02, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 1:38 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. >>> It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule. >>
    ROFL - all we're doing is rebutting the silliness of this obsession over
    the yellow iPhone. It's the Apple haters who brought it up.

    You have it backward because they're having fun with Apple investing
    probably hundreds of millions of dollars for no added capabilities.

    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful instead.

    If Apple couldn't think of anything useful for the iPhone other than a new color, maybe they could have put those many millions to dividends instead.

    At least by giving hundreds of millions to stockholders, something good
    would have come out of the years of research Apple expends on new colors.

    Are you really as stupid as you write?

    You think Apple spent "probably hundreds of millions"...

    ...to add a colour?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nobody@notme.invalid on Wed Mar 15 17:26:38 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <tutbo3$122gl$1@dont-email.me>, David E. Ross
    <nobody@notme.invalid> wrote:

    If Apple couldn't think of anything useful for the iPhone other than a new color, maybe they could have put those many millions to dividends instead.

    it's mid-cycle.

    go learn what that means.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 21:53:18 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, David E. Ross <nobody@notme.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 1:38 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with
    yellow. It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed
    them to ridicule.

    ROFL - all we're doing is rebutting the silliness of this obsession
    over the yellow iPhone. It's the Apple haters who brought it up.

    You have it backward because they're having fun

    "Trolls just wanna have fun, y'all! Anyone who doesn't like it is
    'backwards'! #IAmVerySmart!"

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 15 21:55:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-15 12:34, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with
    yellow. It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them
    to ridicule.

    No "Apple lover" here started a single thread about the colour of
    Apple's products.

    I doubt you can find a single one if you look back over an entire
    decade.

    ...meanwhile these same trolls just love to loudly proclaim _they_ are
    the adults... ; )

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 18:12:05 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 17:02, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 1:38 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. >>> It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule. >>
    ROFL - all we're doing is rebutting the silliness of this obsession over
    the yellow iPhone. It's the Apple haters who brought it up.

    You have it backward because they're having fun with Apple investing
    probably hundreds of millions of dollars for no added capabilities.

    Not that much. But given that Apple is a business[1] they do have a
    duty to the company and even shareholders to get more out of the
    product. They came up with this (I would have thought a few more
    colours ... but...).

    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful instead.

    If it increases sales to the point that effort generates revenues and
    profits (above), then it's useful to the company (and shareholders).

    If Apple couldn't think of anything useful for the iPhone other than a new color, maybe they could have put those many millions to dividends instead.

    If this increases sales, the dividends may well come from that.

    At least by giving hundreds of millions to stockholders, something good
    would have come out of the years of research Apple expends on new colors.

    Or both. A successful sale of these models means a higher value for the shareholders. Not that that is the primary objective of a well run company.

    [1]
    "Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
    -Charlie Munger

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Michael on Wed Mar 15 15:19:33 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 15:18, Michael wrote:
    On 15 Mar 2023 21:55:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    ...meanwhile these same trolls just love to loudly proclaim _they_ are
    the adults... ; )

    I think they're just unhappy they can't get their pixel in a good color.

    Everyone knows that real "1337" users only buy phones made from
    unfinished aluminum.

    ;-)

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  • From Michael@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Mar 15 16:18:44 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 15 Mar 2023 21:55:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    ...meanwhile these same trolls just love to loudly proclaim _they_ are
    the adults... ; )

    I think they're just unhappy they can't get their pixel in a good color.
    --
    [I filter out Google Groups posts so if I don't reply, that may be why.]

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  • From David E. Ross@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 15 15:23:46 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 3/15/2023 4:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful instead.

    If it increases sales to the point that effort generates revenues and
    profits (above), then it's useful to the company (and shareholders).

    Nobody is saying that the color won't work to increase iPhone 14 sales.

    What they're saying is buying a smart phone based only on the color is a
    clear indication of the type of consumer that the iPhone most appeals to.

    I'm not sure why you'd argue that concept as it's obvious from the videos.

    --
    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com/>

    Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
    represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods. Real
    meat is natural. Beyond Meat is definitely not.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 22:29:02 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, David E. Ross <nobody@notme.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 4:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful
    instead.

    If it increases sales to the point that effort generates revenues and
    profits (above), then it's useful to the company (and shareholders).

    Nobody is saying that the color won't work to increase iPhone 14
    sales.

    What they're saying is buying a smart phone based only on the color

    That's an unfounded claim, and you know it. Color is just one of many
    factors people consider when choosing a smartphone. You guys are the
    laziest trolls on the planet. Either that, or you really are *this*
    stupid.

    clear indication of the type of consumer that the iPhone most appeals
    to.

    Your entire troll is "iPhone users DUMB, BWAHAHAHA!", and it's every bit
    of childish and stupid as it looks.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 15:30:46 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 15:23, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 4:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful instead. >>
    If it increases sales to the point that effort generates revenues and
    profits (above), then it's useful to the company (and shareholders).

    Nobody is saying that the color won't work to increase iPhone 14 sales.

    What they're saying is buying a smart phone based only on the color is a clear indication of the type of consumer that the iPhone most appeals to.

    No it's not! It's a clear indication that consumers like to make
    stylistic choices AS WELL as functional ones.


    I'm not sure why you'd argue that concept as it's obvious from the videos.


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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 15 22:33:36 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-15 12:34, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. >> It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule.


    No "Apple lover" here started a single thread about the colour of
    Apple's products.

    I doubt you can find a single one if you look back over an entire decade.


    I am an iPhone user, in fact I carry two, my wife and child each have one,
    and we have a set of AirPod Pros and an iPad. We had an iPod at one time. I started the comment about yellow iPhones.

    The difference between myself and the “Apple lovers” is that I have a sense of reason and can tell when things Apple does are not for the benefit of consumers.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Mar 15 18:39:40 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 18:23, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 4:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    Apple should have spent those millions giving you something useful instead. >>
    If it increases sales to the point that effort generates revenues and
    profits (above), then it's useful to the company (and shareholders).

    Nobody is saying that the color won't work to increase iPhone 14 sales.

    What they're saying is buying a smart phone based only on the color is a clear indication of the type of consumer that the iPhone most appeals to.

    You're converting this one marketing effort as applying to "all" iPhone
    buyers. The iPhone owners I know are mainly engineers, sales/marketing,
    a couple doctors, my business lawyer, many of my clients, etc. and so
    on. A friend who installs office furniture. A whole spectrum of needs/wants/desires.

    Some of them are even into 'style' in some sense.

    Your position is just as silly as the argument that "all" Android owners
    with an SD card slot even use the slot. (Pro tip: they don't).

    I'm not sure why you'd argue that concept as it's obvious from the videos.

    Apple videos are tightly designed for a purpose. Certainly not to get
    "me" to buy a yellow iPhone. But there are people out there for whom
    such things are important, or at least will get them to consider buying
    it. (And they might choose the blue one instead).

    (I drive up a residential street on my way to work. The house trim is
    all yellow, the cars are yellow, the motorcycle is yellow ... I have
    little doubt that the interior decoration leans that way ...)

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Mar 15 18:44:02 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 18:33, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-15 12:34, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with yellow. >>> It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed them to ridicule. >>>

    No "Apple lover" here started a single thread about the colour of
    Apple's products.

    I doubt you can find a single one if you look back over an entire decade.


    I am an iPhone user, in fact I carry two, my wife and child each have one, and we have a set of AirPod Pros and an iPad. We had an iPod at one time. I started the comment about yellow iPhones.

    The difference between myself and the “Apple lovers” is that I have a sense
    of reason and can tell when things Apple does are not for the benefit of consumers.

    Apple's first responsibility: the company.
    Second: the shareholders.

    Apple's approach to these responsibilities has been to know their
    customers very well. Out of this base of marketing prowess came this
    decision as it will delight some customers, it will sell other colour
    phones in the current product cycle.

    And these things satisfy customers (3rd), shareholders (2nd) and the
    company (1st).

    "Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
    -Charlie Munger.

    Find something else to troll about.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Wed Mar 15 18:47:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <MOrQL.1549608$iU59.1113498@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    (I drive up a residential street on my way to work. The house trim is
    all yellow, the cars are yellow, the motorcycle is yellow ... I have
    little doubt that the interior decoration leans that way ...)

    a friend of mine buys older houses, knocks them down and builds a giant monstrosity in its place. he said yellow houses sell the fastest.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Mar 15 23:07:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-15 12:34, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 3/15/2023 7:20 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

    That this "yellow" thing has triggered the Apple haters is quite an
    indictment of ... Apple haters.

    That's backwards.

    It's not triggered Apple haters as those haters are having fun with
    yellow. It's the Apple lovers who are triggered that it exposed
    them to ridicule.


    No "Apple lover" here started a single thread about the colour of
    Apple's products.

    I doubt you can find a single one if you look back over an entire
    decade.

    I am an iPhone user, in fact I carry two, my wife and child each have
    one, and we have a set of AirPod Pros and an iPad. We had an iPod at
    one time. I started the comment about yellow iPhones.

    Yes, in order to childishly troll (as you often do here). Owning Apple
    products and trolling aren't necessarily mutually exclusive - though
    that's clearly the false implication you're trying to make. ; )

    The difference between myself and the “Apple lovers”

    You trolls call anyone who dares to call your weak trolls "Apple
    lovers".

    I have a sense of reason

    Trolling Apple newsgroups for literal *days* over the release of a new
    colored iPhone is *anything* but reasonable. It's childish and sad.

    things Apple does are not for the benefit of consumers.

    "ReLeAsiNg iPhOnEs In MuLtIpLe CoLoRs Is AnTi-CoNsUmEr, Y'aLl!!
    #IAmVerySmart!"

    You people seriously CANNOT avoid self-owning.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Mar 15 19:01:19 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 18:47, nospam wrote:
    In article <MOrQL.1549608$iU59.1113498@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    (I drive up a residential street on my way to work. The house trim is
    all yellow, the cars are yellow, the motorcycle is yellow ... I have
    little doubt that the interior decoration leans that way ...)

    a friend of mine buys older houses, knocks them down and builds a giant monstrosity in its place. he said yellow houses sell the fastest.

    I don't know about "there" but "here" most house sales occur in the
    early to mid spring. So yellow might be a happy trigger spring colour
    that helps move the obscene McMansion.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Wed Mar 15 19:13:16 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <37sQL.269192$mmyc.42009@fx37.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    (I drive up a residential street on my way to work. The house trim is
    all yellow, the cars are yellow, the motorcycle is yellow ... I have
    little doubt that the interior decoration leans that way ...)

    a friend of mine buys older houses, knocks them down and builds a giant monstrosity in its place. he said yellow houses sell the fastest.

    I don't know about "there" but "here" most house sales occur in the
    early to mid spring. So yellow might be a happy trigger spring colour
    that helps move the obscene McMansion.

    i was surprised when he told me that. we were standing in front of a
    newly built yellow house, which to me is ugly as fuck and you couldn't
    pay me to live in it, but indeed, it did sell in a few days after going
    on the market.

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 15 23:53:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    Over the past couple years: scarce as unicorns. So prices are insane
    high - but if you sell - where do you go?

    You must agree with nospam that yellow is most definitely needed & wanted.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Mar 15 19:22:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 19:13, nospam wrote:
    In article <37sQL.269192$mmyc.42009@fx37.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    (I drive up a residential street on my way to work. The house trim is >>>> all yellow, the cars are yellow, the motorcycle is yellow ... I have
    little doubt that the interior decoration leans that way ...)

    a friend of mine buys older houses, knocks them down and builds a giant
    monstrosity in its place. he said yellow houses sell the fastest.

    I don't know about "there" but "here" most house sales occur in the
    early to mid spring. So yellow might be a happy trigger spring colour
    that helps move the obscene McMansion.

    i was surprised when he told me that. we were standing in front of a
    newly built yellow house, which to me is ugly as fuck and you couldn't
    pay me to live in it, but indeed, it did sell in a few days after going
    on the market.

    There's an ugly house around the corner from here about 45 years old.
    Recent renovations. Sign went up in mid Feb and it sold in 2 weeks.
    (No yellow there, however).

    Saw a surveyor there yesterday. Normally you update the "Localization Certificate" _before_ you sell it (if the cert. is old). But it sold
    before the surveyor could get to it. (Plenty of snow on the ground too
    - but there should be enough other "landmarks" for him to do his job).

    OTOH, most spring's around here you'll see a lot of houses for sale -
    maybe 1 in 20 or so.

    Over the past couple years: scarce as unicorns. So prices are insane
    high - but if you sell - where do you go?

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Mar 15 18:23:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam wrote:
    In article <tutbo3$122gl$1@dont-email.me>, David E. Ross <nobody@notme.invalid> wrote:

    If Apple couldn't think of anything useful for the iPhone other than a new >> color, maybe they could have put those many millions to dividends instead.

    it's mid-cycle.

    go learn what that means.


    That's when hew stuff is introduced. Mostly stuff that's not needed
    and nobody wants.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Wed Mar 15 17:33:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15 16:53, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2023-03-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    Over the past couple years: scarce as unicorns. So prices are insane
    high - but if you sell - where do you go?

    You must agree with nospam that yellow is most definitely needed & wanted.

    I agree that consumer products have functional and aesthetic
    requirements and that they are on completely different scales of
    expenditure to deliver.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Thu Mar 16 01:44:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-15, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-15, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    Over the past couple years: scarce as unicorns. So prices are insane
    high - but if you sell - where do you go?

    You must agree with nospam that yellow is most definitely needed &
    wanted.

    It's hilarious how butthurt you trolls are about the most trivial
    things... : D

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 08:58:13 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Am 15.03.23 um 23:33 schrieb badgolferman:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    No "Apple lover" here started a single thread about the colour of
    Apple's products.

    I doubt you can find a single one if you look back over an entire decade.


    I am an iPhone user, in fact I carry two, my wife and child each have one, and we have a set of AirPod Pros and an iPad. We had an iPod at one time. I started the comment about yellow iPhones.

    What are you trying to implicate? That you know better than anybody
    else? You are extremely childish and trollish.

    The difference between myself and the “Apple lovers” is that I have a sense
    of reason and can tell when things Apple does are not for the benefit of consumers.

    Apple is not the Red Cross but only the manufacturer of the best hard-
    and software in the smartphone-domain. Everything performant and well integrated in the whole ecosystem like no other manufacturer. Good
    things come at a cost.

    Nobody is forced to buy anything from Apple. If you do and you complain
    you are an idiot by pure logic.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Mar 17 00:13:00 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    via ftp and smb, with a server component *added* to the android device.

    except that smb uses a protected port that is not available on android
    but *is* available on ios.

    seamless!

    lulz...

    The _adults_ on this newsgroup will note that while I've tested every free method ever suggested for copying files between iOS/Android & Windows, I
    have _never_ suggested people use either SMB or FTP for something as
    trivially easy on Android as copying files both ways to & from devices.

    The fact you iKooks have to _fabricate_ that imaginary strawman is proof
    that you _hate_ how crippled Apple products are outside the walled garden.

    Q: What does it prove that the iKooks fabricated that imaginary strawman?
    a. That the iKooks are fantastically ignorant, or,
    b. That iKooks don't own adult cognitive skills, or,
    c. That iKooks hate that on Android, copying files just works, or,
    d. All of the above.
    --
    Hint: Choose D.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Mar 17 01:44:43 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Note how triggered Arlen is: he *has* to deflect and try to change the subject because he *knows* how ridiculous sms's idiotic claim that Face
    ID supposedly doesn't work well in the dark is. He has also been so
    triggered by Apple's success that he has spent *literal* *days* trolling about the color yellow. He and his little troll gang are fucking
    *pathetic*. ; )

    The subject is why is something completely meaningless such as the color of
    an iPhone suddenly wanted and needed, when you iKooks constantly claim that meaningful items (e.g., sd card portability) is not wanted nor needed.

    With respect to FaceID gimmickry, why is it that only iPhone owners fall
    for every marketing gimmick in the book?

    Don't you realize Apple is calling you stupid by these advertisements?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Fri Mar 17 02:54:07 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-03-17, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Note how triggered Arlen is: he *has* to deflect and try to change
    the subject because he *knows* how ridiculous sms's idiotic claim
    that Face ID supposedly doesn't work well in the dark is. He has also
    been so triggered by Apple's success that he has spent *literal*
    *days* trolling about the color yellow. He and his little troll gang
    are fucking *pathetic*. ; )

    The subject is why is something completely meaningless such as the
    color of an iPhone suddenly wanted and needed

    That's just a bullshit and childish claim *you* are making in your
    ongoing *days-long* reactionary (triggered) troll after Apple simply
    released a new color of an existing product. And since it's bullshit and childish, it deserves no serious consideration from adults.

    Note how Arlen is *compelled* to deflect from the topic of sms's
    bullshit claim that Face ID supposedly doesn't work well in the dark,
    because he knows full well the claim is laughably wrong and cannot be
    defended. Weak sauce! : )

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Mar 30 16:03:19 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Alan Browne wrote:

    JR nailed it with the "sealioning" charge and you're proof of that (as
    am I and others). You spent some 3 minutes or so composing the above -
    in essence a chunk of your life stolen via their denial of life attack.

    So best we all ignore them and allow them to steal their own lives while
    we get on with our own.

    Notice *iKooks are _desperate_ to make what Apple did, just go away*

    The few _adults_ on this newsgroup will notice very obviously how much the iKooks like Alan Browne & Jolly Roger _hate_ everything Apple does.

    The iKooks _hate_ that Apple spends millions advertising what amounts to extremely silly marketing gimmicks - which - iKooks hate - are what the
    Apple customers desire (rest assured that Apple marketing is NOT stupid!).

    *Notice the iKooks can't change the fact of what Apple actually did.*

    In the iKooks' desperation to make what Apple did "go away", the iKooks
    blame everyone who is NOT an iKook for talking about what Apple did.

    Adult: Did you notice what Apple did?
    iKook: Go away. I hate you. And I hate what Apple did. Go away I say!

    Since I study the iKooks' behavior, my assessment of the fact the iKooks
    _hate_ what Apple did is that the iKooks' belief system is imaginary.

    What Apple did shows what idiotic stuff iPhone owners really care about.
    What iKooks _hate_ is that Apple embarrassed them by making that obvious.

    Always remember, this is what an iKooks is:
    <https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

    That kind of person uses the iPhone to pretend to be what they're not.
    The iKook uses the iPhone to raise their distorted sense of self esteem.

    A normal person does not need to do that.
    Only these strange iKooks do.

    *iKooks _hate_ what Apple did - so they just want it to go away!*

    What Apple did, adults will notice, is tell us EXACTLY what Apple
    Marketing thinks makes the Apple consumer spend money on iPhones.

    a. Yellow iPhones
    b. Emoji

    Note the lack of functional components in an iPhone, such as sd slots,
    aux jacks, removable batteries, working FM radios, integrated modems, etc.
    and certainly note the lack of functional software such as wi-fi &
    cellular data firewalls, gps spoofers, automatic call recording,
    graphical signal strength debuggers, TOR browser anonymity, etc.

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