• Re: "Far Out"

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Aug 25 04:20:59 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    If they had enabled
    FaceID with masks a year earlier then she might have chosen the 12 Mini.

    you *really* don't understand anything about face id.

    *Which slum do you live in nospam that you think you need this gimmick?*

    1. FaceID is a gimmick.
    2. Apple makes you "think" it's soooooooooo very "personal"
    3. But it's just a marketing gimmick.

    It makes people like you who live in the Bronx Projects "feel" better.
    The fact the gimmick didn't work well with masks doesn't even matter.

    Where do you live anyway that you think you _need_ faceid gimmicks nospam?
    The Harlem slums?
    The Oakland slums?

    Which slum do you live in nospam that you think you need this gimmick?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Fri Aug 26 09:47:10 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2022-08-24 20:20, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

      If they had enabled FaceID with masks a year earlier then she might
    have chosen the 12 Mini.

    you *really* don't understand anything about face id.

    *Which slum do you live in nospam that you think you need this gimmick?*

    1. FaceID is a gimmick.

    Assertion.

    2. Apple makes you "think" it's soooooooooo very "personal"

    It is very personal.

    3. But it's just a marketing gimmick.

    Assertion.


    It makes people like you who live in the Bronx Projects "feel" better.
    The fact the gimmick didn't work well with masks doesn't even matter.

    So because a particular technology doesn't work in all circumstances,
    it's not any good?


    Where do you live anyway that you think you _need_ faceid gimmicks nospam? The Harlem slums?
    The Oakland slums?

    Which slum do you live in nospam that you think you need this gimmick?

    Interesting bigotry there...

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Aug 26 10:00:14 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 8/26/2022 9:47 AM, Alan wrote:

    <snip>

    So because a particular technology doesn't work in all circumstances,
    it's not any good?
    Well if not for the once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that caused face masks
    to be necessary, the whole Face-ID issue would have never gained so much traction. It's not the an issue of "all circumstances" it's an issue of
    such a necessary circumstance where it's not any good. TouchID was much
    better but because of the need to get rid of the bezels, and the
    reluctance to put the sensor on the side or on the back as many other
    phones did, they couldn't continue with TouchID unless they did
    under-screen TouchID.

    Personally I really like the fingerprint sensor on my Note 9. I unlock
    the phone as I remove it from the case on my belt, and can pay with
    Google Pay without entering a PIN. On my iPhone Xr, if I'm wearing a
    mask in a store (which is still the default in my area), Apple Pay is a
    hassle.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Aug 26 13:22:55 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <teau70$14ko$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Well if not for the once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that caused face masks
    to be necessary, the whole Face-ID issue would have never gained so much traction. It's not the an issue of "all circumstances" it's an issue of
    such a necessary circumstance where it's not any good.

    covid was unforeseen and temporary, but despite that, apple updated
    face id three times to work with masks.

    TouchID was much
    better

    false. face id is faster, more secure and easier to use.

    but because of the need to get rid of the bezels, and the
    reluctance to put the sensor on the side or on the back as many other
    phones did,

    for a phone, those are far worse locations. nearly all cases will block
    its use (unless there's a hole cutout, which negates the protection
    offered by a case). vehicle mounts will also prevent unlocking the
    phone when mounted in the vehicle.

    they couldn't continue with TouchID unless they did
    under-screen TouchID.

    which doesn't work very well, on a good day. there are also issues with
    screen protectors, and in samsung's case, can spoof it.

    <https://mashable.com/article/in-display-fingerprint-readers-suck>
    I've tried just about all of the in-display sensors -- Galaxy S10,
    Huawei Mate 20 Pro, OnePlus 6T, and even the one on the new
    Nokia 9 PureView -- and none of them live up to the hype.
    ...
    Another problem with in-display fingerprint readers: many screen
    protectors don't play nice with them. Because some sensors, like the
    one in the OnePlus 6T, require light to illuminate your fingerprints
    before capturing an image of them, screen protectors can actually
    get in the way.

    Same goes for ultrasonic fingerprint readers like the one in the
    Galaxy S10 and S10+. Only instead of blocking light, many third-party
    screen protectors can block the ultrasound waves emitted from the
    grooves of your finger when it touches the sensor. And the only one
    that seems to work takes like 30 minutes. No thank you.

    <https://www.androidcentral.com/in-screen-fingerprint-sensors-suck>
    Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
    scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
    misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
    before your phone finally unlocks.

    <https://www.techradar.com/news/google-pixel-6s-fingerprint-scanner-is-p erfectly-placed-so-its-a-shame-it-sucks>
    While the placement of the fingerprint scanner on the Google Pixel 6
    is perfect, the performance isn't so good. 

    The scanner on the Pixel 6 feels a tad slow. I'm talking a fraction
    of a second or so, but there's a noticeable delay versus some of
    the many phones I've used over the years. 
    ...
    It's not just when I'm unlocking the handset either. I've had to scan
    my finger multiple times before being allowed into my other apps
    which I secure with the biometric tech. 

    You really need to get your finger placement spot on, as otherwise
    the Pixel 6 struggles to verify your digit

    Personally I really like the fingerprint sensor on my Note 9. I unlock
    the phone as I remove it from the case on my belt, and can pay with
    Google Pay without entering a PIN.

    same as with an iphone, both touch id and face id.

    you claim to have an apple watch, so there's no need to even remove a
    phone from wherever it may be. just use the watch to pay.

    On my iPhone Xr, if I'm wearing a
    mask in a store (which is still the default in my area), Apple Pay is a hassle.

    you claim to have an apple watch, which would eliminate the hassle of
    using an iphone and apple pay. or as noted above, just use the watch
    itself.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Aug 27 12:28:49 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 03:22:55 +1000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <teau70$14ko$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Well if not for the once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that caused face masks
    to be necessary, the whole Face-ID issue would have never gained so much
    traction. It's not the an issue of "all circumstances" it's an issue of
    such a necessary circumstance where it's not any good.

    covid was unforeseen and temporary, but despite that, apple updated
    face id three times to work with masks.

    TouchID was much
    better

    false. face id is faster, more secure and easier to use.

    but because of the need to get rid of the bezels, and the
    reluctance to put the sensor on the side or on the back as many other
    phones did,

    for a phone, those are far worse locations. nearly all cases will block
    its use (unless there's a hole cutout, which negates the protection
    offered by a case). vehicle mounts will also prevent unlocking the
    phone when mounted in the vehicle.

    they couldn't continue with TouchID unless they did
    under-screen TouchID.

    which doesn't work very well, on a good day. there are also issues with screen protectors, and in samsung's case, can spoof it.

    <https://mashable.com/article/in-display-fingerprint-readers-suck>
    I've tried just about all of the in-display sensors -- Galaxy S10,
    Huawei Mate 20 Pro, OnePlus 6T, and even the one on the new
    Nokia 9 PureView -- and none of them live up to the hype.
    ...
    Another problem with in-display fingerprint readers: many screen
    protectors don't play nice with them. Because some sensors, like the
    one in the OnePlus 6T, require light to illuminate your fingerprints
    before capturing an image of them, screen protectors can actually
    get in the way.

    Same goes for ultrasonic fingerprint readers like the one in the
    Galaxy S10 and S10+. Only instead of blocking light, many third-party
    screen protectors can block the ultrasound waves emitted from the
    grooves of your finger when it touches the sensor. And the only one
    that seems to work takes like 30 minutes. No thank you.

    <https://www.androidcentral.com/in-screen-fingerprint-sensors-suck>
    Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
    scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
    misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
    before your phone finally unlocks.

    <https://www.techradar.com/news/google-pixel-6s-fingerprint-scanner-is-p erfectly-placed-so-its-a-shame-it-sucks>
    While the placement of the fingerprint scanner on the Google Pixel 6
    is perfect, the performance isn't so good.
    The scanner on the Pixel 6 feels a tad slow. I'm talking a fraction
    of a second or so, but there's a noticeable delay versus some of
    the many phones I've used over the years....
    It's not just when I'm unlocking the handset either. I've had to scan
    my finger multiple times before being allowed into my other apps
    which I secure with the biometric tech.
    You really need to get your finger placement spot on, as otherwise
    the Pixel 6 struggles to verify your digit

    Mate of mine doesn't see that with his new Pixel 6 Pro,
    which surprisingly doesnt even have facial recognition.

    Personally I really like the fingerprint sensor on my Note 9. I unlock
    the phone as I remove it from the case on my belt, and can pay with
    Google Pay without entering a PIN.

    same as with an iphone, both touch id and face id.

    you claim to have an apple watch, so there's no need to even remove a
    phone from wherever it may be. just use the watch to pay.

    On my iPhone Xr, if I'm wearing a
    mask in a store (which is still the default in my area), Apple Pay is a
    hassle.

    you claim to have an apple watch, which would eliminate the hassle of
    using an iphone and apple pay. or as noted above, just use the watch
    itself.

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