• Re: Free Game: "Outer Worlds" and "Thief"

    From LucLan@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Apr 4 16:44:24 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition
    Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
    back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
    "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
    on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
    depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
    it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
    not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
    but good.


    * Thief (a.k.a., "Thief 4")
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/thief-5bb95f
    This is the one where Garret, the eponymous thief, wears
    eyeliner. It's... okay. I liked it's semi-open-world version
    of the City, and some of the quests were fun... but it
    lacked the atmosphere and FEEL of being a proper Thief game.
    Combat was nerfed, so getting into a fight isn't as deadly
    as it should be (and thus stealth became less of a necessity),
    it had an awful end-game boss battle, and the overall story
    was blah. But as a generic stealth-action game, it's fine.
    It's just not Thief.


    So, neither game are top-notch, but neither are stinkers either. And
    they aren't retro-graphic'd Indies either, which is a very welcome
    change. But I don't expect this beneficence to last; we'll be back to
    the usual filler in a week or two, I'm sure. Anyway, you've got the
    normal 7-day limit to claim these. Enjoy!



    Thank you very much for the info.
    I hope I will have time to play 'Thief'.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Apr 4 16:50:07 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:33 this Thursday (GMT):

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition
    Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
    back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
    "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
    on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
    depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
    it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
    not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
    but good.

    Wasn't that one of those "bombed on release but redeemed over updates"
    games or am I thinking of a different space game?


    * Thief (a.k.a., "Thief 4")
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/thief-5bb95f
    This is the one where Garret, the eponymous thief, wears
    eyeliner. It's... okay. I liked it's semi-open-world version
    of the City, and some of the quests were fun... but it
    lacked the atmosphere and FEEL of being a proper Thief game.
    Combat was nerfed, so getting into a fight isn't as deadly
    as it should be (and thus stealth became less of a necessity),
    it had an awful end-game boss battle, and the overall story
    was blah. But as a generic stealth-action game, it's fine.
    It's just not Thief.

    I sure do love stealth games gradually making the character more
    powerful until it becomes obsolete lol


    So, neither game are top-notch, but neither are stinkers either. And
    they aren't retro-graphic'd Indies either, which is a very welcome
    change. But I don't expect this beneficence to last; we'll be back to
    the usual filler in a week or two, I'm sure. Anyway, you've got the
    normal 7-day limit to claim these. Enjoy!




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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 19:37:44 2024
    I hope I will have time to play 'Thief'.

    I pre-ordered and liked it a lot on release, and put 90+ hours into it.
    The first game (in particular) is certainly better in plot and writing, but Thief 4 looked great. I wonder how I would feel about it now....

    rms

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 22:02:59 2024
    On 4/4/2024 9:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:33 this Thursday (GMT):

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition >> Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
    back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
    "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
    on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
    depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
    it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
    not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
    but good.

    Wasn't that one of those "bombed on release but redeemed over updates"
    games or am I thinking of a different space game?

    It's an awesome game on par with or better than Obsidian's Fallout NV
    who also made this, since release. Reviews were very good, which is why
    I bought it besides being a big Fallout fan. It did bomb sales wise, but
    that's because it came out as one of the first Epic exclusives before
    anyone was really using Epic. It's barely a space game, it's a CRPG
    like Fallout except on some different worlds in a late-capitalist
    dystopia that's falling apart.

    The only space game I know of that might fit "bombed on release but
    redeemed over updates" is No Man's Sky. That still doesn't sound like
    my type of game other than being a space setting, but it's on my
    wishlist and who knows, I might buy it someday.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Apr 4 21:51:27 2024
    On 4/4/2024 9:33 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition
    Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
    back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
    "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
    on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
    depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
    it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
    not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
    but good.

    It's not open world. But yeah it's a bit Fallout in space, or more
    correctly on a number of mostly small areas of different worlds, and a spaceship/station or 3. It's by Obsidian, the Fallout NV devs. I
    personally enjoyed it more than Fallout 4 or NV for that matter. The
    NPC party members are very good. Combat and character building is
    fairly similar to Fallout from what I remember, with some twists. Well
    worth a play or two.


    So, neither game are top-notch,

    Shut yo' mouth about The Outer Worlds. It's quite top-notch! (Yeah it's
    being given away like a redheaded step daughter, and probably everyone
    here's got it already, I bought it when it came out.)

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Apr 5 05:30:02 2024
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 05:02 this Friday (GMT):
    On 4/4/2024 9:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:33 this Thursday (GMT):

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition >>> Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
    back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
    "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
    on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
    depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
    it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
    not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
    but good.

    Wasn't that one of those "bombed on release but redeemed over updates"
    games or am I thinking of a different space game?

    It's an awesome game on par with or better than Obsidian's Fallout NV
    who also made this, since release. Reviews were very good, which is why
    I bought it besides being a big Fallout fan. It did bomb sales wise, but that's because it came out as one of the first Epic exclusives before
    anyone was really using Epic. It's barely a space game, it's a CRPG
    like Fallout except on some different worlds in a late-capitalist
    dystopia that's falling apart.

    The only space game I know of that might fit "bombed on release but
    redeemed over updates" is No Man's Sky. That still doesn't sound like
    my type of game other than being a space setting, but it's on my
    wishlist and who knows, I might buy it someday.

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    Oh yea, no mans sky is what I was thinking of.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Apr 5 09:08:23 2024
    On 05/04/2024 06:02, Justisaur wrote:
    On 4/4/2024 9:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:33 this
    Thursday (GMT):

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition >>>     Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
        back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
        "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
        on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
        depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
        it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
        not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
        but good.

    Wasn't that one of those "bombed on release but redeemed over updates"
    games or am I thinking of a different space game?

    It's an awesome game on par with or better than Obsidian's Fallout NV
    who also made this, since release.  Reviews were very good, which is why
    I bought it besides being a big Fallout fan. It did bomb sales wise, but that's because it came out as one of the first Epic exclusives before
    anyone was really using Epic.  It's barely a space game, it's a CRPG
    like Fallout except on some different worlds in a late-capitalist
    dystopia that's falling apart.


    There were quite a few negative reviews on Steam comparing it
    unfavourable to FO:NV and I never thought it was a fair comparison. The
    games may look the same at first glance but they play quite differently
    as CRPG's. So FO:3/NV have a big open world where you can just wander
    the wasteland exploring all the stories/locations. There is a main quest
    but I think in many ways it plays second fiddle to most of the other
    content. OW really isn't an open world and also it's much more tightly
    focused on the main story line with some side quests.

    FO:NV is on my all time classics list whereas OW I enjoyed but I can't
    say I thought it was a great game. That's really down to personal
    preferences than one being better as they were trying to achieve
    different things.

    As always though, horses for courses and all that.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Fri Apr 5 08:18:37 2024
    On 4/5/2024 1:49 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/4/2024 6:33 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I totally forgot it was Thursday. Well, obviously not 'totally',
    seeing as I've remembered now... but usually I'm a bit more
    on-the-ball. Oh well, I'm sure you'll none of you notice if I rush
    through this announcement. ;-)



    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition >>     Firstly, you may have this one already (Epic gave it away
        back in December just passed). The game itself is essentially
        "Starfield", albeit a bit more tongue in cheek and less focused
        on quantity-over-quality. Whether you like it or not really
        depends on whether its humor lands with you; gameplay-wise,
        it's basically standard 'Bethesda-open-world', even if its
        not made by Bethesda. A good game, in my opinion; not great,
        but good.


    * Thief (a.k.a., "Thief 4")
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/thief-5bb95f
        This is the one where Garret, the eponymous thief, wears
        eyeliner. It's... okay. I liked it's semi-open-world version
        of the City, and some of the quests were fun... but it
        lacked the atmosphere and FEEL of being a proper Thief game.
        Combat was nerfed, so getting into a fight isn't as deadly
        as it should be (and thus stealth became less of a necessity),
        it had an awful end-game boss battle, and the overall story
        was blah. But as a generic stealth-action game, it's fine.
        It's just not Thief.


    So, neither game are top-notch, but neither are stinkers either. And
    they aren't retro-graphic'd Indies either, which is a very welcome
    change. But I don't expect this beneficence to last; we'll be back to
    the usual filler in a week or two, I'm sure. Anyway, you've got the
    normal 7-day limit to claim these. Enjoy!



    Hmm. I have both of them already on Steam (and Thief I even paid for
    instead of getting it in a bundle, only to realize it wasn't what I
    wanted).
    Maybe I finally should try to play The Outer Worlds to see if I'd like it. The problem is that in all that cheeky advertising it never really says
    what it is even ABOUT.

    Basically what I remember is you wander around solve a bunch of small community's/corporate overlords problems - one way or another, often
    involving violence, and not necessarily the way they want. Essentially
    almost everyone has a lot of skeletons in their closet and only a very
    few if anyone has clean hands. You're essentially the out of left field
    monkey wrench to decide their fates.

    Much like Fallout 4, you wake up from cyrosleep and don't have any idea
    what's going on, and you discover what's up as you explore and talk to
    people.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Sat Apr 6 15:56:27 2024
    On 4/5/2024 1:09 PM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/5/2024 5:18 PM, Justisaur wrote:
    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition

    I do have to say that I don't really like first person perspective in
    these games. I know I grew up with enough games that were like that, but
    it feels limiting in comparison to 3rd person view.
    Just a pet peeve of mine.

    I too prefer seeing my character. That probably goes all the way back
    to 2d flat turn based RPGs for me. But for real time games it gives a
    tiny bit more field of view, and I get to see all my gear and whatnot.

    I know some FPP games have had mods to add it in, but really you have to
    have a model with movements. Apparently OW only has an idle model which
    you can see when you don't touch the controls for a minute.

    I understand it's a lot more work to make such a model with all the
    movements though.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Apr 8 07:20:09 2024
    On 4/6/2024 5:32 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 15:56:27 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/5/2024 1:09 PM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/5/2024 5:18 PM, Justisaur wrote:
    * The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition

    I do have to say that I don't really like first person perspective in
    these games. I know I grew up with enough games that were like that, but >>> it feels limiting in comparison to 3rd person view.
    Just a pet peeve of mine.

    I too prefer seeing my character. That probably goes all the way back
    to 2d flat turn based RPGs for me. But for real time games it gives a
    tiny bit more field of view, and I get to see all my gear and whatnot.

    I know some FPP games have had mods to add it in, but really you have to
    have a model with movements. Apparently OW only has an idle model which
    you can see when you don't touch the controls for a minute.




    I bounce between the two options. Being able to see my avatar is
    important to making me feel immersed in the experience, but a
    first-person view offers more intense moment-to-moment gameplay. The
    best games are the ones that let you switch at will between the two.
    That lets me play in TPP for ordinary activities (walking about,
    picking up herbs, platforming) but zoom in for when I need to actually
    LOOK at stuff, or for combat.

    Hear Hear!

    That's actually my biggest complaint about Souls games is the camera
    especially in fights with really big bosses. If I could zoom out a bit
    so I could see what they hell the ancient dragon is doing it wouldn't be
    so needlessly frustrating.

    I do also prefer being able to switch between modes. Obviously again
    that's more work for the devs making sure both work and look good.

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