In article <soj074$169c$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the holidays, I just thought of something.

In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone

that won't fix the problem you described, which is obviously not
something you've had in the past. it will also create more problems.

you were told how to resolve it. why are you ignoring that advice?

I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
fit into a PC NVMe slot.

Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
only takes the shorter ones.

it's a custom apple ssd that's much faster than the usual m.2 nvme ssds.

Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MAU3ENVOYPRO/>

even with that, it may not be readable in linux, depending on how it's formatted and in particular, if it's encrypted.

if it has a firmware password, there's a very good chance it's also
encrypted.

if not, you would be able to copy her data and reformat it for its
eventual resale.

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On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:

A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims
she never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it
to her phone.
All she can do is log-in as guest.

I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the normal reset procedures.

Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the holidays, I just thought of something.

In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone


I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
fit into a PC NVMe slot.

Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
only takes the shorter ones.


Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

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In article <soj89p$11tm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2021-12-05 18:25:39 +0000, philo said:

I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
fit into a PC NVMe slot.

Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
only takes the shorter ones.

Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
(and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
near-impossible to open,

so have other manufacturers.

so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

it's a 2012-13 macbook pro and very easy. he's already opened it and
noted its form factor.

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On 2021-12-05 18:25:39 +0000, philo said:

On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:

A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She
claims she never changed her password and that it happened after she
linked it to her phone.
All she can do is log-in as guest.

I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the
normal reset procedures.

Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the holidays, I just thought of something.

In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone

I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
fit into a PC NVMe slot.

Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
only takes the shorter ones.

Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
(and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
near-impossible to open, so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

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On 2021-12-05, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
(and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
near-impossible to open, so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as
well, as shown here:

<https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>

Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's
obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the
annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

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On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

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Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as well, as shown here:

<https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>

Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

I now have two nyms in my kf, I suspect the same person.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB adapter.



One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

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In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

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On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

<Troll in killfile snipped>

Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as well, as shown here:

<https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>

Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

Presumably the argumentative village f'wit for brains is replying to my
post and yet again proves his reading comprehension skills are
absolutely non-existant.

Where exactly did I say even remotely say that "none" of Apple devices
were openable or "none" of the drives were removeable?? Oh, that's
right, I didn't. No wonder the idiot is in my killfile. :-\

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On 2021-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

<Troll in killfile snipped>

Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver
as well, as shown here:

<https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>
Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong?
It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products,
and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are
like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete
nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

Where exactly did I say even remotely say that "none" of Apple devices
were openable or "none" of the drives were removeable?? Oh, that's
right, I didn't.

You ended your bullshit post with this gem:

this isn't likely going to work ... unless you've got expert
electronics soldering skills.

It's complete bullshit, and you're not fooling anyone here.

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On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:

In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned. He's a good man.

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In article <soksb6$85s$3@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB >> adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so >> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

i'm not the one who is being rude.

he claims to have a mac with a forgotten password and was told how to
resolve it by those who have had 30+ years using macs.

initially it was just the admin password, but he later changed the
story to be a firmware password, as he continually moved the goalposts
so that he could claim the original answers were wrong (not the first
time he's done that).

he rudely rejected all of the advice given and thinks he can come up
with a solution on his own. he cannot.

by his own admission, he doesn't know what he's doing.

there are only two solutions, both of which have been discussed.

there are *no* other options to remove a firmware password, which is
what makes a firmware password secure.

his plan to remove a single file on the ssd to reset the firmware
password is not only guaranteed to fail, but it's also absurd. it's a *firmware* password, which is not stored on a user-writeable file
system.

there would be very little reason to use a firmware password if it
could be easily reset.

in fact, on recent macs (not the one he has), it's possible to disable
the ability for apple to reset the firmware password entirely, which
means if it's forgotten, the logic board is completely useless. this
setting is optional and warns the user of the risks before activating
it. it does not apply in his situation, but i mention it to show just
how secure firmware passwords can be.

he also plans to remove the file using a linux box, which has limited
support for mac file systems, and if he corrupts the ssd in the process
(a non-zero risk), things are going to be much worse.

he is going to use an adapter he bought online, which may or may not
work. some of them are junk.

removing the file he said he wants to remove will cause the setup
process to be re-run, which will then create a brand new empty user
account, without any of her files. this is also bad.

he is experimenting with someone else's computer.

hopefully she is not paying him anything. that would be criminal. he
should be paying her.

not only is he (and you) being rude to those here who are legitimately
trying to help, despite his story continually changing, but he is also
being rude to the person who brought him the macbook.

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned.

nonsense. he knows next to nothing about macs. nor do you for that
matter.

in another recent thread, he insisted a drive pulled from a mac se was
mfs which is not possible. he made numerous incorrect claims about mac
file systems even after multiple links to apple's knowledgebase proved
him wrong. he claimed to have found some secret link that claims there
are two versions of hfs. not surprisingly, he kept it a secret, because
it doesn't exist.

he asks questions, then changes the story so that he can claim the
original answers were wrong. it's a pattern i've noticed over the
years. it appears to be intentional.

He's a good man.

no he isn't, nor are you.

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On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:

On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:

On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:

In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to
USB
adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new
answers...so
if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned. He's a good man.

nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
village idiots in my killfile.

Hmmm!

A question he failed to answer:-

//For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

Thanks if you can.

--
David

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On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:

On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:

In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB >>> adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so >>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned. He's a good man.

nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
village idiots in my killfile.

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On 2021-12-06 20:02:03 +0000, David Brooks said:

On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:

On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:

On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:

In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB >>>>> adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so >>>>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has >>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned. He's a good man.

nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
village idiots in my killfile.

Hmmm!

A question he failed to answer:-

//For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

Thanks if you can.

No idea since I don't use the ASC forums (other than a quick visit if
it turns up as a possible solution when Google searching something).
The ASC forums might even pre-date "Apple ID".

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On 06/12/2021 20:17, Your Name wrote:

On 2021-12-06 20:02:03 +0000, David Brooks said:

On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:

On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:

On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:

In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net> >>>>> wrote:

.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2
to USB
adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead >>>>>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new
answers...so
if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has >>>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned. He's a good man.

nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
village idiots in my killfile.

Hmmm!

A question he failed to answer:-

//For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
forums without using their correct Apple ID?  - i.e. the one showing on
their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

Thanks if you can.

No idea since I don't use the ASC forums (other than a quick visit if it turns up as a possible solution when Google searching something). The
ASC forums might even pre-date "Apple ID".

To post on the ASC forums one MUST use an Apple ID - but it can be a
false one.

People using the ASC forums TRUST the posted links because the perceive
that they are safe - protected by the big Apple umbrella.
BUT - They are NOT
protected from unscrupulous 'bad guys' who can use an invalid Apple ID
to log-in.

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