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i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

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On 2021-03-31 12:55, Edna Hosner wrote:

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

Thunderbird is free. It's really a mail client with a newsgroup
interface built in.

I haven't used it for mail since ... a long, long time ... and that was
under Windows.

I did do binaries with it back then - but don't recall if it's 'kept
up'. (Probably is).

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On 31. Mar 2021, Edna Hosner wrote
(in article <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid>):

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

Best is Hogwasher.

a little less than Thoth - and a little more.

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On 2021-03-31, Edna Hosner <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

slrn is free, open source, and has worked reliably for many of us
through many macOS versions, including the latest and greatest.

There's a modern Mac Usenet client called Usenapp that I've looked at
before and seems very polished and fully-featured, and doesn't cost
much. It's on sale for 20% off right now, at €23.98:

<https://www.usenapp.com>

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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On Mar 31, 2021, Edna Hosner wrote
(in article <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid>):

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

Currently the two very good, and well supported Usenet clients available for macOS are:

Usenapp<https://www.usenapp.com>

and

Hogwasher<https://www.asar.com/hogwasher.html>

Neither are free. However, both provide good support, and regular free updates.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

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In message <xC29I.269697$398.43919@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:

On 2021-03-31 12:55, Edna Hosner wrote:

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

Thunderbird is free. It's really a mail client with a newsgroup
interface built in.

And bad at both. The news client in particular is very sub-standard and
has atrocious filtering.

--
My biggest problem is that Steve insists on serving PURPLE Kool Aid,
an I don't like PURPLE <sip sip> Kool Aid.

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In message <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid> Edna Hosner <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

Free pretty much means command-line apps, or outdated unsupposrted apps
that still (I think) work like Unison.

slrn is what I use, it is dead simple to install, works very well, but
it does require opening a terminal and typing 'slrn' which is a bit
complicated for some people.

<https://download.panic.com/unison/>


--
It's as original as a photocopy -nospam

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On Mar 31, 2021 at 11:40:06 AM PDT, "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

On Mar 31, 2021, Edna Hosner wrote
(in article <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid>):

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

Currently the two very good, and well supported Usenet clients available for macOS are:

Usenapp<https://www.usenapp.com>

and

Hogwasher<https://www.asar.com/hogwasher.html>

Neither are free. However, both provide good support, and regular free updates.

I moved on from Thoth (paid for) to Usenapp (paid for) and am quite pleased with the speed and functionality of Usenapp.
--
Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before.

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On 3/31/21 12:55 PM, Edna Hosner wrote:

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

For text-based newsgroups, such as this one, I use Thunderbird.

For binary newsgroups, I use Unison. Version 2.1.9 still
working fine with 10.14.6 (which is "as far" as this 2018
Mini will ever go...)

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thank you everyone

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In message <s43dnt$m0g$1@dont-email.me> Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 3/31/21 12:55 PM, Edna Hosner wrote:

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

For text-based newsgroups, such as this one, I use Thunderbird.

For binary newsgroups, I use Unison. Version 2.1.9 still
working fine with 10.14.6 (which is "as far" as this 2018
Mini will ever go...)

There is a version 2.2 of Unison. I don't know what the differences are,
but there is a v2.2.


--
Girl wins her man after showing off her legs and not talking
(The Little Mermaid)

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On Mar 31, 2021, Edna Hosner wrote
(in article <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid>):

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects
occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

Another vote for Hogwasher. Have used Thoth, Unison, Thunderbird (WAY back in the day). Kept coming back to the Hog.

—

t

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On 2. Apr 2021, Tim Lance wrote
(in article <YTu9I.50228$Pb1.49366@fx04.iad>):

On Mar 31, 2021, Edna Hosner wrote
(in article <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid>):

i haven't upgraded to 10.15 because i rely on several apps
that require 10.14
thoth is one of them
what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

mostly i just read text groups for mac and a few other subjects occasionally i DL some audio files

free would be nice

thanks

Another vote for Hogwasher. Have used Thoth, Unison, Thunderbird (WAY back in the day). Kept coming back to the Hog.

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable, easy to use and is well supported. Unison is not really supported, Thunderbird was not my choice for several reasons.

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On 2021 Apr 2, , Guenther Fischer wrote
(in article<0001HW.26173198008C411370000ACEE38F@News.Individual.DE>):

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable, easy to use and is well supported. Unison is not really supported, Thunderbird was not my choice for several reasons.

I miss Thoth too. It was the last of the Newswatcher children, and I had used Newswatcher, MT-Newswatcher and finally Thoth since the mid-nineties. It took some learning and getting used to, but Hogwasher is a fine substitute for me.

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In message <0001HW.26179CC2017BFBC130696138F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 2021 Apr 2, , Guenther Fischer wrote
(in article<0001HW.26173198008C411370000ACEE38F@News.Individual.DE>):

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable, easy to use >> and is well supported. Unison is not really supported, Thunderbird was not my
choice for several reasons.

I miss Thoth too. It was the last of the Newswatcher children, and I had used Newswatcher, MT-Newswatcher and finally Thoth since the mid-nineties. It took some learning and getting used to, but Hogwasher is a fine substitute for me.

The problem with Thoth was always the developer, who came off as a
petulant asshole many times over through the years.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Commander Brain from Outer Space! But do we have time to
grease the rockets?"

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On 2. Apr 2021, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrns6esgn.1sq6.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

In message<0001HW.26179CC2017BFBC130696138F@News.Individual.Net> Leo<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 2021 Apr 2, , Guenther Fischer wrote
(in article<0001HW.26173198008C411370000ACEE38F@News.Individual.DE>):

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable, easy to use
and is well supported. Unison is not really supported, Thunderbird was not
my
choice for several reasons.

I miss Thoth too. It was the last of the Newswatcher children, and I had used
Newswatcher, MT-Newswatcher and finally Thoth since the mid-nineties. It took
some learning and getting used to, but Hogwasher is a fine substitute for me.

The problem with Thoth was always the developer, who came off as a
petulant asshole many times over through the years.

For me, he was very helpful - he sent several updates to test for a nasty bug elimination.
Later, he supported customers after ending official support of Thoth.

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On 2021-04-02, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

In message <0001HW.26179CC2017BFBC130696138F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 2021 Apr 2, , Guenther Fischer wrote
(in article<0001HW.26173198008C411370000ACEE38F@News.Individual.DE>):

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable,
easy to use and is well supported. Unison is not really supported,
Thunderbird was not my choice for several reasons.

I miss Thoth too. It was the last of the Newswatcher children, and I
had used Newswatcher, MT-Newswatcher and finally Thoth since the
mid-nineties. It took some learning and getting used to, but
Hogwasher is a fine substitute for me.

The problem with Thoth was always the developer, who came off as a
petulant asshole many times over through the years.

Early versions of his app stated they were based on Newswatcher. After
people asked him about the licensing issue that presented since
Newswatcher code was not public domain and couldn't be used in
commercial apps, he turned around and insisted Thoth *wasn't* based on Newswatcher but contained "only public domain code". It was then pointed
out that none of the code from Newswatcher was public domain, so he
turned around and claimed Thoth contained *no* Newswatcher code
whatsoever.

As I recall, he also yanked support out from under Thoth users several
times through the years, blaming users for not buying enough copies of
the app.

No thanks.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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On Apr 3, 2021 at 8:35:14 AM PDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2021-04-02, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

In message <0001HW.26179CC2017BFBC130696138F@News.Individual.Net> Leo
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 2021 Apr 2, , Guenther Fischer wrote
(in article<0001HW.26173198008C411370000ACEE38F@News.Individual.DE>):

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable,
easy to use and is well supported. Unison is not really supported,
Thunderbird was not my choice for several reasons.

I miss Thoth too. It was the last of the Newswatcher children, and I
had used Newswatcher, MT-Newswatcher and finally Thoth since the
mid-nineties. It took some learning and getting used to, but
Hogwasher is a fine substitute for me.

The problem with Thoth was always the developer, who came off as a
petulant asshole many times over through the years.

Early versions of his app stated they were based on Newswatcher. After
people asked him about the licensing issue that presented since
Newswatcher code was not public domain and couldn't be used in
commercial apps, he turned around and insisted Thoth *wasn't* based on Newswatcher but contained "only public domain code". It was then pointed
out that none of the code from Newswatcher was public domain, so he
turned around and claimed Thoth contained *no* Newswatcher code
whatsoever.

As I recall, he also yanked support out from under Thoth users several
times through the years, blaming users for not buying enough copies of
the app.

No thanks.

That's sort of how I heard the story as well, but I never had any issues with Brian and he always answered my questions. I still use Thoth on my other MacBook that still supports it and I use Usenapp on the new MacBook.
--
Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before.

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In message <icrg9hF89mnU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2021-04-02, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

In message <0001HW.26179CC2017BFBC130696138F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 2021 Apr 2, , Guenther Fischer wrote
(in article<0001HW.26173198008C411370000ACEE38F@News.Individual.DE>):

Well, I still miss Thoth. Hogwasher proofed to be very reliable,
easy to use and is well supported. Unison is not really supported,
Thunderbird was not my choice for several reasons.

I miss Thoth too. It was the last of the Newswatcher children, and I
had used Newswatcher, MT-Newswatcher and finally Thoth since the
mid-nineties. It took some learning and getting used to, but
Hogwasher is a fine substitute for me.

The problem with Thoth was always the developer, who came off as a
petulant asshole many times over through the years.

Early versions of his app stated they were based on Newswatcher. After
people asked him about the licensing issue that presented since
Newswatcher code was not public domain and couldn't be used in
commercial apps, he turned around and insisted Thoth *wasn't* based on Newswatcher but contained "only public domain code". It was then pointed
out that none of the code from Newswatcher was public domain, so he
turned around and claimed Thoth contained *no* Newswatcher code
whatsoever.

As I recall, he also yanked support out from under Thoth users several
times through the years, blaming users for not buying enough copies of
the app.

Yep, that matches my recollections. Thankful several times over I was never
a customer.

No thanks.

--
It's against my programming to impersonate a deity.

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On 1 Apr 2021 at 18:57:44 CEST, "Edna Hosner" <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

thank you everyone

Well, Usenapp of course, it has been a Godsend.

https://www.usenapp.com/

--
Have fun!

September 15, 1996

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In article <310320210955329331%edna@invalid.invalid>,
Edna Hosner <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

what newsreader do you suggest if i upgrade

I still use this MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 via Big Sur macOS 11.2.3, Snow
Leopard Mac OS X Server 10.6.8, VMware Fusion 12.1.1.

--
- Matti

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I check out Usenet via 8 Bit Boyz BBS, using Syncterm on Mac

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