• Microslop: World's Biggest Leecher

    From Lester Thorpe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 10 14:29:46 2024
    Need a laugh?

    Microslop, the world's richest company, depends totally on ffmpeg (https://ffmpeg.org/).

    Need a bigger laugh?

    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    https://aussie.zone/post/8540166

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
    engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
    then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
    are Microslop.

    Well, ffmpeg got it right. They placed their ticket at number 42.

    Stand in line like everyone else, you fucking moochers.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz on Wed Apr 10 14:35:12 2024
    On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:


    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:


    The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
    design, names and functionality of Unix.


    "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
    Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
    give it away free to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
    Stallman Sep 27 1983


    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of
    being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Joel on Wed Apr 10 16:30:46 2024
    Joel wrote:

    some dumb fsck wrote:

    (idiocy and lies snipped)

    Ridiculous.

    That shameless jackass doesn't deserve a response. He's self-nuking.

    --
    "In other words, [with FOSS] you take what they give you and you
    better like it." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Joel on Wed Apr 10 19:04:43 2024
    Joel wrote:

    chrisv wrote:
    Joel wrote:
    some dumb fsck wrote:

    (idiocy and lies snipped)

    Ridiculous.

    That shameless jackass doesn't deserve a response. He's self-nuking.

    I wouldn't dispute that, but it is worth saying again that the
    community has achieved something beyond just copying Unix.

    Haters never give credit to the FOSS community for all the good work
    that has been done, and the tremendous benefits it has brought to our
    world. It's all sneering and ridicule.

    --
    "Giving it away for free, with the source code, is a schtick. A slimy
    schtick at that." - some dumb fsck

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Apr 11 00:12:51 2024
    On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 17:55:19 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <9k2e1jd7qqo27t930m1g3k8beu5j7m58gg@4ax.com>:

    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Joel wrote:
    some dumb fsck wrote:

    (idiocy and lies snipped)

    Ridiculous.

    That shameless jackass doesn't deserve a response. He's self-nuking.


    I wouldn't dispute that, but it is worth saying again that the
    community has achieved something beyond just copying Unix.

    I think the only commercial UNIX®️ around now is MacOS.

    I think Linux has kind of carved its own niche at this point,
    it's a POSIX OS, a "Unix" with many useful extensions. Hell,
    we relied on Linux's superior fork(2) (to SunOS) COW implementation on
    our RADIUS servers -- in 1992. Each RADIUS request was fork'ed, carrying
    along with it the entire user database...only, the OS just marked those
    pages copy-on-write, so there was no copying the entire memory space for
    the new process. (SunOS _did_ have vfork(), but Linux's fork(2) was still better.) Linus may have stood on the shoulders of giants, but he
    is a genius, no doubt.

    When we picked Linux to base our services on, we picked a
    winner -- and it's _everywhere_ now. It's infrastructure:
    RADIUS servers, DHCP servers, routers, name
    servers -- hell, it's on my _phone_.

    ("But muh desktop runs Windows!" -- well, good for you.)

    --
    -v

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to DFS on Thu Apr 11 00:58:16 2024
    On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 14:35:12 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in <uv6m53$14cna$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:


    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:


    The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
    design, names and functionality of Unix.


    "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
    Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
    give it away free to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
    Stallman Sep 27 1983


    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

    What a weird perspective you have on modern systems.

    Take TCP/IP, for example:

    Where did Windows get TCP/IP from? Remember when Bill Gates
    thought the Internet was a "fad", until he had his bad burrito dream?

    Before Windows had TCP/IP, you had to run something like Trumpet Winsock
    to provide the services. Linux TCP/IP had a shaky start, but today,
    it houses the most advanced networking stack, except possibly
    the BSD's, and that's debatable.

    And now Windows actually incorporates Linux as a "subsystem" to do
    things Windows simply can't do.

    Second time I've said it today: we stand on the shoulders of giants.
    "We" being both Linux and Windows.

    Azure? Runs on the Microsoft Linux distribution.

    You think there's a battle being fought -- but the war is over, and
    Microsoft is like post-war Germany, being rehabilitated by
    the democracies.

    You're like the out-of-touch soldier stuck on a South
    East Asian island, unaware the war is long over, defending
    desperately your desktop hilltop.

    You're stuck in the age of the SCO sales debacle.

    --
    -v

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Apr 11 01:24:19 2024
    On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 21:12:53 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <t4ee1j901c9q097g31kkni0cioqp2v9kl9@4ax.com>:

    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    the community has achieved something beyond just copying Unix.

    Haters never give credit to the FOSS community for all the good work
    that has been done, and the tremendous benefits it has brought to our >>world. It's all sneering and ridicule.


    It's a competitive environment with commercial OSes. No matter what
    they'll admit.

    Microsoft is trying to figure out how to survive in this brave
    new world.

    What happened to Midori?

    --
    -v

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 11 03:23:34 2024
    On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 00:12:51 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

    I think the only commercial UNIX®️ around now is MacOS.

    IBM's AIX and HP's HP-UX. z/OS is registered with the Open Group but
    it's pretty far from the tree. Xinuos may still have a 32-bit offering it inherited from SCO that's it is keeping alive for legacy iron.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to chrisv on Thu Apr 11 03:36:14 2024
    On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 19:04:43 -0500, chrisv wrote:

    Haters never give credit to the FOSS community for all the good work
    that has been done, and the tremendous benefits it has brought to our
    world. It's all sneering and ridicule.

    https://mathspp.com/blog/503-days-working-full-time-on-foss-lessons- learned?utm_source=tldrwebdev


    I don't know what Textual does but here it is in all its glory:

    https://textual.textualize.io/

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 11 03:38:00 2024
    On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 01:24:19 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

    What happened to Midori?

    Never trust bright green anything, including booze.

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  • From Lester Thorpe@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 11 07:41:43 2024
    On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 00:58:16 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:


    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of
    being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

    What a weird perspective you have on modern systems.

    You're stuck in the age of the SCO sales debacle.


    Yep. You got it.

    He is a wretched little man, a pathetic dinosaur without relevancy.
    There is nothing else for him to do other than futilely fume over
    the inevitable ascension and domination of FOSS.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Apr 11 08:46:29 2024
    On 4/10/2024 3:04 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
    On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:

    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
    design, names and functionality of Unix.


    "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
    Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
    give it away free?to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
    Stallman Sep 27 1983


    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of
    being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.


    Ridiculous.

    Isn't it? But when you have no ideas of your own, and you think
    everyone owes you their code (but they won't give it up), all you can do
    is beg, borrow and steal.


    GNU and Linux together are a masterpiece of what open
    source software can accomplish.

    No doubt some FOSS is quite, quite good, free of cost or not.

    For instance, the SQLite dbms is public domain and open source (but not actually "Free" software, ie I don't have to make available to anyone modifications I make that I might sell or distribute).

    But it's great stuff. It's so easy to install and create databases, and
    table objects, and do backups and send around via email, etc.

    Note: it's payware, but I still consider MS Office the best software
    value in history. I won't accept ANY other office suite, free of cost
    or not, because I KNOW they ALL pale in comparison to MSO.


    I'm running a distro of GNU/Linux on
    a computer that's good enough to upgrade to Win12, but I don't even
    need that, thanks to Stallman and Torvalds. They may have gotten the
    idea from the origins of Unix, but their combined product is its own.

    They (the 'community') wrote the code so it technically is theirs, but
    basing it so closely on an existing product is a chump move. Note the
    Linux kernel isn't based on an existing product.

    But as noted, GuhNoo just stole everything they could from Unix: the
    file layout structure, the utility names and functionality, and even the incorporation of 'Unix' into their silly recursive name.

    I'm surprised GNU/FSF hasn't been sued more (one guy brought an
    ill-conceived action against them, but he had no lawyer and his case was dismissed because he couldn't prove his claim or any injury).

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 11 08:51:36 2024
    On 4/10/2024 9:24 PM, vallor wrote:

    Microsoft is trying to figure out how to survive in this brave
    new world.

    heh!

    Bloaty, you do come up with some howlers from time to time. Too much
    food has confused you.

    MS is the most valuable company in the history of the world.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Apr 11 09:31:20 2024
    On 4/10/2024 8:12 PM, vallor wrote:


    ("But muh desktop runs Windows!" -- well, good for you.)


    Not just mine, but nearly everyone's: most desktops at your company, all
    your family, all your friends, etc.

    Nobody would've ever popped into cola were it not for desktop Linux.
    It's all Torvalds cares about, too.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Lame Larry Piet on Thu Apr 11 10:10:50 2024
    On 4/11/2024 3:41 AM, Lame Larry Piet wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 00:58:16 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:


    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of >>> being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

    What a weird perspective you have on modern systems.

    You're stuck in the age of the SCO sales debacle.


    Yep. You got it.

    He is a wretched little man, a pathetic dinosaur without relevancy.
    There is nothing else for him to do other than futilely fume over
    the inevitable ascension and domination of FOSS.


    Microsoft is doomed?

    idiot

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Apr 11 15:00:11 2024
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 14:45 this Thursday (GMT):
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
    On 4/10/2024 8:12 PM, vallor wrote:

    ("But muh desktop runs Windows!" -- well, good for you.)

    Not just mine, but nearly everyone's: most desktops at your company, all >>your family, all your friends, etc.

    Nobody would've ever popped into cola were it not for desktop Linux.
    It's all Torvalds cares about, too.


    I prefer desktop Linux to what I had with Win11.


    Same, but W10.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Apr 11 11:17:19 2024
    On 4/11/2024 10:45 AM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
    On 4/10/2024 8:12 PM, vallor wrote:

    ("But muh desktop runs Windows!" -- well, good for you.)

    Not just mine, but nearly everyone's: most desktops at your company, all
    your family, all your friends, etc.

    Nobody would've ever popped into cola were it not for desktop Linux.
    It's all Torvalds cares about, too.


    I prefer desktop Linux to what I had with Win11.


    You don't have to convince me - just yourself.

    "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment [than Linux], in using my machine."
    "I love Windows" 5x
    "I will probably never run Linux again"

    - Joel in the very recent past

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to DFS on Thu Apr 11 11:33:09 2024
    DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    But as noted, GuhNoo just stole everything they could from Unix: the
    file layout structure, the utility names and functionality, and even the incorporation of 'Unix' into their silly recursive name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Project

    Richard Stallman announced his intent to start coding the GNU Project in a
    Usenet message in September 1983.[9] Despite never having used Unix prior,
    Stallman felt that it was the most appropriate system design to use as a
    basis for the GNU Project, as it was portable and "fairly clean".

    When the GNU project first started they had an Emacs text editor with Lisp
    for writing editor commands, a source level debugger, a yacc-compatible
    parser generator, and a linker. The GNU system required its own C
    compiler and tools to be free software, so these also had to be
    developed. By June 1987, the project had accumulated and developed free
    software for an assembler, an almost finished portable optimizing C
    compiler (GCC), an editor (GNU Emacs), and various Unix utilities (such
    as ls, grep, awk, make and ld). They had an initial kernel that
    needed more updates.

    . . .

    In 2001, the GNU Project received the USENIX Lifetime Achievement Award for
    "the ubiquity, breadth, and quality of its freely available redistributable
    and modifiable software, which has enabled a generation of research and
    commercial development".

    --
    There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.
    -- Mark Twain

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Apr 11 12:49:04 2024
    On 4/11/2024 12:33 PM, Joel wrote:

    Hail Stallman

    You misspelled jail.

    The creep believes child sexual abuse videos shouldn't be removed from
    the Internet, because that would be 'censorship', and in his warped mind censorship is worse than pedos having easy access to videos of children
    being sexually abused.

    You have to be a real fuckin' lowlife to "Hail Stallman".

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to DFS on Thu Apr 11 18:41:36 2024
    On Apr 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Note: it's payware, but I still consider MS Office the best software
    value in history. I won't accept ANY other office suite, free of cost
    or not, because I KNOW they ALL pale in comparison to MSO.

    Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good value at all.

    Don't even get me started on the $100 per year for life Office 365.

    Even Windows 11 can be had for around $30. MS is not making money on desktop software these days. Now the money is all in Azure cloud services, which is around 90% Linux.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Thu Apr 11 17:46:38 2024
    On 4/11/2024 11:33 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    But as noted, GuhNoo just stole everything they could from Unix: the
    file layout structure, the utility names and functionality, and even the
    incorporation of 'Unix' into their silly recursive name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Project

    Richard Stallman announced his intent to start coding the GNU Project in a
    Usenet message in September 1983.[9] Despite never having used Unix prior,
    Stallman felt that it was the most appropriate system design to use as a
    basis for the GNU Project, as it was portable and "fairly clean".


    The basis for that last sentence comes from:

    https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

    "I never used Unix (not even for a minute) until after I decided to
    develop a free replacement for it (the GNU system). I chose that design
    to follow because it was portable and seemed fairly clean. I was never a
    fan of Unix; I had some criticisms of it too. But it was ok overall as a model."

    What an insufferable lunatic prick: "I was never a fan of Unix", but
    I'll spend years cloning it and ask others to do the same. wtf?


    There's a shitload of flame and troll material at that
    'stallman-computing' link. The self-important, egotistical blowhard is
    too strange for words:

    * "the injustice of nonfree software"

    * "I never pay for anything on the Web, because that generally requires
    running nonfree Javascript code in my browser."

    * "I stopped using it [the OLPC] because the OLPC project decided to
    make their machine support Windows, so I did not want to appear to
    endorse it by visibly carrying it around."

    huh?

    With that massive belly, he clearly and shamelessly endorses gluttony
    and obesity.

    > In 2001, the GNU Project received the USENIX Lifetime
    Achievement Award for
    "the ubiquity, breadth, and quality of its freely available redistributable
    and modifiable software, which has enabled a generation of research and
    commercial development".


    I may deserve the USENIX Flame award for my near 20 years of tireless
    work on cola. Vote for DFS!

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu Apr 11 17:37:15 2024
    On 4/11/2024 2:41 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Note: it's payware, but I still consider MS Office the best software
    value in history. I won't accept ANY other office suite, free of cost
    or not, because I KNOW they ALL pale in comparison to MSO.

    Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good
    value at all.

    If you made money off it, $500 wasn't a bad deal. Even back then, you
    could easily make that in 2 days.



    Don't even get me started on the $100 per year for life Office 365.

    I know. I'll never pay for a software subscription, unless I make a lot
    of money off the app (like I used to with MS Office).

    I'm still using Office 2003. No need to upgrade just because.


    Even Windows 11 can be had for around $30.

    Or far less. I recently got a valid Win11 Pro key (supposedly retail,
    not OEM) for $7 from Gamers Outlet. I'm using it now.



    MS is not making money on desktop software these days.

    Of course MS is still making HUGE money on desktop software.

    4 years ago MS had 258M paid Office seats.

    And people and companies are buying a metric shitload of other MS code.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    Looks like everything they released this century. There are 2712 product/edition/release combinations.

    Unfortunately, the clown that produces that file isn't smart enough to
    put a header row in - or they hid the labels - but the columns are:

    Product
    Edition
    Release
    SupportPolicy
    StartDate
    MainstreamDate
    ExtendedEndDate
    RetirementDate
    ReleaseStartDate
    ReleaseEndDate
    DocsUrl





    Now the money is all in Azure cloud services, which is
    around 90% Linux.

    link to this outrageous claim?

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Fri Apr 12 06:55:25 2024
    Tyrone wrote:

    Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get >Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher >and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good >value at all.

    Thank you, FOSS community, for driving-down the price of useful
    software.

    --
    "FOSS isn't real competition. Anything given away is not competing
    with a for-sale product." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 08:28:31 2024
    Le 10-04-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    https://aussie.zone/post/8540166

    Thanks for that.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
    engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
    then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
    are Microslop.

    That's the real issue. There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
    company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
    scandalous.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 08:59:49 2024
    Le 10-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:


    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
    design, names and functionality of Unix.

    As I don't really know if you are seriously mistaken or trolling, I'll
    answer seriously.

    They were mostly following a norm, the POSIX norm. There is nothing
    wrong in following a norm. That's what you do when you program in C. You
    follow the norm. Like that, you can use any C compiler for your code.
    And when you share your code, you don't have to tell which compiler they
    need to use.

    As the POSIX norm is a little bit outdated, Linux don't always follow it
    (and it pisses off some BSD users who can be stuck in the past). When
    one says Linux is an UNIX, it's in the broad sense, not in the exact
    sense because it's not certified (it has been once years ago but it's
    expensive and useless now).

    "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
    Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
    give it away free to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
    Stallman Sep 27 1983

    Yes, exactly. He chose to follow the norm, not to steal the code.

    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

    The OS parasite is the future of your lovely Microsoft foundation. I said
    it before, you believe I'm dreaming, but I'll explain it again because all
    of the evidences point to it.

    The big money for Microsoft is in the cloud, not in the Windows OS
    installed on personal computers. It means: Azure for the companies and Microsoft 365 for everyone. For that, you need only a browser, not a
    full OS. And the browser is Edge. Which is not a real Microsoft browser.
    It's a Microsoft GUI running Chromium.

    And they'll do the same with Windows. It's obvious. It will be far less expensive for them to run only their GUI on a Linux kernel than to
    support a full OF. Linux gives already the possibility to choose your
    own Window Manager, there is nothing to adapt for it. Twenty years ago,
    it was really difficult to find Linux drivers when you bought some
    hardware. It's not the case anymore. I know, for printers it's not that
    true, but printers are difficult to use with Windows, too (not when you
    buy them, on the long run).

    So everything is ready for Microsoft. And the first step for this has
    already been taken. It's named WSL.

    Really, I'm not saying what I'm hopping because I'm not that sure it's
    really a good thing for me. I'm saying what everything show.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 10:03:50 2024
    On 4/13/2024 4:28 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 10-04-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    https://aussie.zone/post/8540166

    Thanks for that.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
    engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
    then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
    are Microslop.

    That's the real issue. There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
    company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really scandalous.

    Why? They allow the submitter to assign a priority. If they don't want
    to address critical bugs first, they shouldn't allow you to assign an importance.



    And you'll never guess who replied to the MS bug report and provided a fix.

    https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/10341#comment:4

    (if that's really him. I'd question him spending his time answering
    ffmpeg bug reports when he has big companies to run)

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 12:20:40 2024
    On 4/13/2024 4:59 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 10-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:


    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
    design, names and functionality of Unix.

    As I don't really know if you are seriously mistaken or trolling, I'll
    answer seriously.

    They were mostly following a norm, the POSIX norm. There is nothing
    wrong in following a norm. That's what you do when you program in C. You follow the norm. Like that, you can use any C compiler for your code.
    And when you share your code, you don't have to tell which compiler they
    need to use.

    There was no POSIX when Stallman began his scam.


    As the POSIX norm is a little bit outdated, Linux don't always follow it
    (and it pisses off some BSD users who can be stuck in the past). When
    one says Linux is an UNIX, it's in the broad sense, not in the exact
    sense because it's not certified (it has been once years ago but it's expensive and useless now).

    "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
    Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
    give it away free to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
    Stallman Sep 27 1983

    Yes, exactly. He chose to follow the norm, not to steal the code.

    There was no norm to follow, and to be clear I never claimed they stole
    code (which I doubt they could've gotten their grubby hands on anyway).


    He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream
    of being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

    The OS parasite is the future of your lovely Microsoft foundation. I said
    it before, you believe I'm dreaming, but I'll explain it again because all
    of the evidences point to it.

    It doesn't, actually.


    The big money for Microsoft is in the cloud, not in the Windows OS
    installed on personal computers.

    Big money? MS generated $100 billion+ in yearly revenue long before
    they got into cloud computing.


    most recent quarterly results:

    Gross revenue $62.0 billion:
    * Productivity and Business Processes $19.2 billion
    * Intelligent Cloud $25.9 billion
    * More Personal Computing $16.9 billion

    They also said "Microsoft Cloud revenue is $33.7 billion" - CFO Amy Hood

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/investor/earnings/fy-2024-q2/press-release-webcast


    It means: Azure for the companies and Microsoft 365 for everyone. For
    that, you need only a browser, not a full OS.

    "The Network is the Computer", Sun Microsystems 1984

    The Chromebook style of computing is fine for children, but very few
    adults like it.


    And the browser is Edge. Which is not a real Microsoft browser.
    It's a Microsoft GUI running Chromium.

    By that standard, GNU is not a real operating system.

    From what I've read, Edge is often considered the best browser on
    Windows. It's actually hard to find complaints about it (other than
    privacy issues).

    But:

    "Microsoft Edge is the AI-powered browser." https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge?ep=313&form=MA13M0&es=40

    AI = ugh




    And they'll do the same with Windows. It's obvious.

    cola wackos have made that claim for decades: "The next version of
    Windows will probably run on a Linux/BSD kernel!"

    All I can say is: Keep hope alive!

    MS-hating Linux goons have also been proclaiming "MS is doomed" for
    decades, too. But as I've noted before: their world will fade to black
    LONG before Microsoft dies.



    It will be far less
    expensive for them to run only their GUI on a Linux kernel than to
    support a full OF. Linux gives already the possibility to choose your
    own Window Manager, there is nothing to adapt for it. Twenty years ago,
    it was really difficult to find Linux drivers when you bought some
    hardware. It's not the case anymore. I know, for printers it's not that
    true, but printers are difficult to use with Windows, too (not when you
    buy them, on the long run).

    So everything is ready for Microsoft. And the first step for this has
    already been taken. It's named WSL.


    You may be confused.

    WSL is nothing more than a Windows application: a well-designed and well-integrated (into Windows Terminal) lightweight virtual machine
    application that currently is dedicated to running a Linux environment.

    But MS has had virtual machines for nearly 16 years. Does running
    FreeBSD in Windows Hyper-V mean Windows will soon be running the BSD
    kernel? No. There's very little difference between that and WSL,
    except MS also distributes a Linux kernel to make WSL easy to setup.



    Really, I'm not saying what I'm hopping because I'm not that sure it's
    really a good thing for me. I'm saying what everything show.

    That's what it shows YOU. I'm not buying it, at all. It's too much
    work for little or no gain.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 19:15:11 2024
    Le 13-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 4/13/2024 4:28 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 10-04-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
    Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
    leecher:

    https://aussie.zone/post/8540166

    Thanks for that.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
    engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
    then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
    are Microslop.

    That's the real issue. There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
    company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
    scandalous.

    Why? They allow the submitter to assign a priority. If they don't want
    to address critical bugs first, they shouldn't allow you to assign an importance.

    The emergency was in the comments. They have no possibility to stop
    people putting pressure in the comments. Some people program and give
    their code for any reason they have. Others, not happy enough with what
    was given to them, put pressure on the developers to get more and fast.
    Those people are parasites. They have no added value and have no issue
    with the developers having a burn out.

    That's what happened for the xz backdoor. It was technically a good
    exploit, but it was a very impressive social engineering at the same
    time.

    As everyone thinks it's normal to request with pressure more than what's
    given, everything is put in place for the developers to have a burn out.
    It's not a good way to thanks the guys who gave you their code.

    It's not about Microsoft, it's about the way to take what's given. You
    want it, you take it as it is. You can help if you want. But requesting
    with pressure is not a good behaviour.


    And you'll never guess who replied to the MS bug report and provided a fix.

    https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/10341#comment:4

    (if that's really him. I'd question him spending his time answering
    ffmpeg bug reports when he has big companies to run)

    In fact, I saw his name when I read the post, so I have nothing to
    guess. Anyway, I don't believe it's him for two reasons. The first, as
    you said, he has other matters to do than that. The second, I never
    heard anyone say more stupidities about the computers than him (even LP/DG/FR/NV/whatever can't compete). Maybe long ago he was a good
    programmer, but it was certainly a long time ago. So, I'm very far from
    sure he would be able to answer if he had time to do it.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 11:07:23 2024
    Stphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    some dumb fsck wrote:

    Stphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
    company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
    scandalous.

    Why?

    More proof that you're a dumb fsck, if you can't figure-out something
    that obvious on your own.

    They allow the submitter to assign a priority. If they don't want
    to address critical bugs first, they shouldn't allow you to assign an
    importance.

    Claims an idiot.

    (detailed explanation snipped)

    DumFSck is stupid and obtuse. If I were you, I'd delete unread any
    response from him, since you're so clearly correct and there's no
    point in explaining any further.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 20:32:03 2024
    Le 14-04-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    (detailed explanation snipped)

    DumFSck is stupid and obtuse.

    Certainly not. He's a troll, that's clear. But sometimes he can just
    disagree with me. I hope I can see when he's trolling and when he
    disagree. But trolling is not a sign of stupidity: it's an art when it's
    well done.

    If I were you, I'd delete unread any response from him,

    When I see/believe he's trolling (or at least, when he's going too far
    in his trolls) I don't answer them. I can have fun reading them (or
    reading answers to them) but I have no time to answer them.

    But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
    mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 15 12:29:59 2024
    On 4/14/2024 4:32 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
    mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.


    Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.

    Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 19 20:57:47 2024
    Le 15-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 4/14/2024 4:32 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
    mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.


    Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.

    Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?

    I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
    exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And
    I had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
    something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm
    listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
    like thirty or forty percent.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 20 01:11:05 2024
    On 19 Apr 2024 20:57:47 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
    exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And I
    had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
    something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
    like thirty or forty percent.

    Your program appears to be effective. Perhaps it has changed but it seemed
    at one time you could find German, Italian, Israeli, and even Japanese programmers on some projects but the French programmers were lacking.
    Perhaps they were afraid of being contaminated by English. I know they
    existed since I ran the Mandrake distro years ago.

    One thing I learned was perfectly valid C code where all the variables, structs, and functions were named in a language other than English was
    very hard to follow.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Apr 20 01:00:01 2024
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 17:21:06 -0400, Joel wrote:

    There are people energized to vote Republican today, who don't even
    fathom how lucky they are to speak English.

    Warum?

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 19 22:50:21 2024
    On 4/19/2024 4:57 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 15-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 4/14/2024 4:32 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
    mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.


    Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.

    Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?

    I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
    exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And
    I had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
    something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
    like thirty or forty percent.


    Just remember everything you see in American movies is based on reality.

    Do you like 'talky' movies, with lots of dialogue and less
    action/adventure? I recommend Glengarry Glen Ross, from 1992.

    Also Quest For Fire: it's about GuhNoo cavemen looking for a kernel.

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