• X is Alive!

    From Diego Garcia@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 19:22:15 2024
    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit
    of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Diego Garcia on Sat Mar 9 18:15:41 2024
    Diego Garcia wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit
    of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

    Can't you maroon yourself on Diego Garcia and just STFU?

    --
    Learn to pause -- or nothing worthwhile can catch up to you.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Liability Larry on Sat Mar 9 19:55:50 2024
    On 3/9/2024 2:22 PM, Liability Larry wrote:

    my Gentoo emerge for this week


    Python rescues the Gentoo tinkerer again!

    The Python Software Foundation is due a serious donation for saving you
    untold hours administering your GuhNoo crapbox.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to DFS on Sun Mar 10 03:37:05 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:55:50 -0500, DFS wrote:

    On 3/9/2024 2:22 PM, Liability Larry wrote:

    my Gentoo emerge for this week


    Python rescues the Gentoo tinkerer again!

    The Python Software Foundation is due a serious donation for saving you untold hours administering your GuhNoo crapbox.

    https://bedrocklinux.org/

    He should switch to Bedrock Linux.

    "Bedrock Linux is a meta Linux distribution which allows users to mix-and- match components from other, typically incompatible distributions. Bedrock integrates these components into one largely cohesive system."

    Endless hours of tinkering! The potential for endless FUBARs!

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Mar 10 10:02:57 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:55:50 -0500, DFS wrote:

    On 3/9/2024 2:22 PM, Liability Larry wrote:

    my Gentoo emerge for this week


    Python rescues the Gentoo tinkerer again!

    The Python Software Foundation is due a serious donation for saving you
    untold hours administering your GuhNoo crapbox.

    https://bedrocklinux.org/

    He should switch to Bedrock Linux.

    "Bedrock Linux is a meta Linux distribution which allows users to mix-and- match components from other, typically incompatible distributions. Bedrock integrates these components into one largely cohesive system."

    Endless hours of tinkering! The potential for endless FUBARs!

    But will it serve up a Bronto burger?

    Heh heh:

    --
    You will never know hunger.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Diego Garcia on Sun Mar 10 19:10:02 2024
    Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote at 19:22 this Saturday (GMT):
    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit
    of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

    I prefer X too.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Sun Mar 10 19:26:53 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:10:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in <usl0ia$348lm$1@dont-email.me>:

    Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote at 19:22 this Saturday (GMT):
    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit
    of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

    I prefer X too.

    Same here, though the games I run use DXVK to talk to the Vulkan
    API on NVidia's Linux driver. (I think X is only minimally-involved
    there.)

    BTW: It's not "X Window" it's "the X Window System", or just "X".

    Sometimes, people call it "X Windows", but I've never
    seen "X Window" unless discussing an actual window on X.

    --
    -v

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to vallor on Sun Mar 10 15:44:34 2024
    On 3/10/2024 3:26 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:10:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in <usl0ia$348lm$1@dont-email.me>:

    Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote at 19:22 this Saturday (GMT):
    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit
    of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

    I prefer X too.

    Same here, though the games I run use DXVK to talk to the Vulkan
    API on NVidia's Linux driver. (I think X is only minimally-involved
    there.)

    BTW: It's not "X Window" it's "the X Window System", or just "X".

    Sometimes, people call it "X Windows", but I've never
    seen "X Window" unless discussing an actual window on X.


    Another off-charter post.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to DFS on Sun Mar 10 20:03:11 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:44:34 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in <usl2j1$34lr8$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 3/10/2024 3:26 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:10:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in
    <usl0ia$348lm$1@dont-email.me>:

    Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote at 19:22 this Saturday (GMT):
    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit >>>> of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

    I prefer X too.

    Same here, though the games I run use DXVK to talk to the Vulkan
    API on NVidia's Linux driver. (I think X is only minimally-involved
    there.)

    BTW: It's not "X Window" it's "the X Window System", or just "X".

    Sometimes, people call it "X Windows", but I've never
    seen "X Window" unless discussing an actual window on X.


    Another off-charter post.

    Fine:

    To put a finer point on it for those with
    a Windows burr up their butt, there's a definite
    advantage to running DXVK on Linux vs.
    DX-whatever-Windows-is-shoveling-at-you.

    --
    -v

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sun Mar 10 20:54:31 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:02:57 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:55:50 -0500, DFS wrote:

    On 3/9/2024 2:22 PM, Liability Larry wrote:

    my Gentoo emerge for this week


    Python rescues the Gentoo tinkerer again!

    The Python Software Foundation is due a serious donation for saving
    you untold hours administering your GuhNoo crapbox.

    https://bedrocklinux.org/

    He should switch to Bedrock Linux.

    "Bedrock Linux is a meta Linux distribution which allows users to
    mix-and-
    match components from other, typically incompatible distributions.
    Bedrock integrates these components into one largely cohesive system."

    Endless hours of tinkering! The potential for endless FUBARs!

    But will it serve up a Bronto burger?

    Bronto turd is more like it. During one of Gnome's stranger evolutions I installed KDE to get back to normalcy. It worked but the result was
    quirky and a bit fragile. I can't see a mix and match working out well.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Sun Mar 10 23:44:18 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:26:53 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

    Sometimes, people call it "X Windows", but I've never seen "X Window"
    unless discussing an actual window on X.

    amazon.com/Programming-Manual-Version-Definitive-Guides/dp/0937175277

    I have the feeling I could find a reference to 'X Window' someplace in the
    7 volumes. (8 volumes in truth since Motif is divided into 6a and 6b and counting starts at 0).

    https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/the-definitive-guides-to-the-x-window- system/80847/

    I've never seen 7 since I worked in Motif, not XView.

    The joy of Motif is sooner or later you'll be directly calling Xlib and Xt functions. That is one of Wayland's drawbacks or design philosophy
    depending on how you want to look at it.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Sun Mar 10 23:48:12 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:03:11 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

    To put a finer point on it for those with a Windows burr up their butt, there's a definite advantage to running DXVK on Linux vs. DX-whatever-Windows-is-shoveling-at-you.

    Is there any advantage to running DXVK on Linux unless you're trying to
    use games developed for Windows?

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Mar 11 01:26:34 2024
    On 10 Mar 2024 23:48:12 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l56v5sFjcngU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:03:11 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

    To put a finer point on it for those with a Windows burr up their butt,
    there's a definite advantage to running DXVK on Linux vs.
    DX-whatever-Windows-is-shoveling-at-you.

    Is there any advantage to running DXVK on Linux unless you're trying to
    use games developed for Windows?

    Only if you want to program for DirectX on Linux, I guess.

    (Better to just use Vulkan directly, I would imagine...)

    --
    -v

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to vallor on Mon Mar 11 07:53:47 2024
    vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:44:34 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in

    Another off-charter post.

    Jeezuzz, will you shut up man?

    Fine:

    To put a finer point on it for those with a Windows burr up their butt, there's a definite advantage to running DXVK on Linux vs. DX-whatever-Windows-is-shoveling-at-you.

    --
    Today is the first day of the rest of your life.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to vallor on Mon Mar 11 07:52:55 2024
    vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    BTW: It's not "X Window" it's "the X Window System", or just "X".

    I say fsck you to Elon Musk.

    Sometimes, people call it "X Windows", but I've never
    seen "X Window" unless discussing an actual window on X.

    They discuss sensible topics on X? :-)

    --
    Avoid reality at all costs.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Mar 11 08:35:20 2024
    On 3/11/2024 7:53 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:44:34 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in

    Another off-charter post.

    Jeezuzz, will you shut up man?


    That was sarcasm, in response to Bloaty's netnannying.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Mar 11 08:32:48 2024
    On 3/11/2024 7:52 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    BTW: It's not "X Window" it's "the X Window System", or just "X".

    I say fsck you to Elon Musk.

    You're so tough sailor!

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to vallor on Mon Mar 11 17:20:02 2024
    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 19:26 this Sunday (GMT):
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:10:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in ><usl0ia$348lm$1@dont-email.me>:

    Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote at 19:22 this Saturday (GMT):
    All the fucking worthless doomsayers in the on-line press have a habit
    of claiming that X Window is dead.

    But my Gentoo emerge for this week saw that following X updates:

    libXdmcp
    libxcb
    xlsfonts
    xrefresh
    libXcursor
    xev
    xauth
    xpr
    libXaw3d
    x11-apps/editres
    xfontsel
    xmessage

    Whoa! That's a lot of fucking updates!

    X Window is very much alive and kicking.

    I will soon be exploring Wayland but X Window will be my main GUI
    for a LONG time.

    I prefer X too.

    Same here, though the games I run use DXVK to talk to the Vulkan
    API on NVidia's Linux driver. (I think X is only minimally-involved
    there.)

    BTW: It's not "X Window" it's "the X Window System", or just "X".

    Sometimes, people call it "X Windows", but I've never
    seen "X Window" unless discussing an actual window on X.

    Thanks for the clarification!
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to shitv on Mon Mar 11 14:33:32 2024
    On 3/11/2024 2:16 PM, shitv wrote:

    -- "In practice, though, Linux users are just as controlled by the
    distro makers and FOSS app developers as commercial users are by
    Microsoft and closed-source app developers." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly


    No doubt about that whatsoever.

    For instance, you've not once hacked the source to make any significant
    feature or GUI changes to your Linux apps or desktops.

    In theory, you could tinker with the code and screens to your heart's
    content (since you have the source).

    In practice, you don't have the skill. Very very very few do.

    Got it, bozo?

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Mar 11 13:16:55 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    some dumb fsck wrote:

    Another off-charter post.

    Jeezuzz, will you shut up man?

    You ask that like the dumb fsck doesn't have a decades-old reputation
    as an obnoxious, lying POS.

    --
    "In practice, though, Linux users are just as controlled by the distro
    makers and FOSS app developers as commercial users are by Microsoft
    and closed-source app developers." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to chrisv on Mon Mar 11 20:50:13 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:16:55 -0500, chrisv wrote:


    Jeezuzz, will you shut up man?

    You ask that like the dumb fsck doesn't have a decades-old reputation
    as an obnoxious, lying POS.


    Decades old?

    Holy shiite! I always knew that the DuFuS was a sexually impotent dud
    but to think that he has not experienced a sexual orgasm in DECADES makes
    him even more of a TOTAL DEGENERATE.

    Of course, that explains why he is Stallman's groupie.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Aside: The fact that his wife is a loathsome dog is NOT an excuse.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Mar 11 19:06:28 2024
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 2:16 PM, shitv wrote:

    -- "In practice, though, Linux users are just as controlled by the
    distro makers and FOSS app developers as commercial users are by
    Microsoft and closed-source app developers." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly >>
    No doubt about that whatsoever.

    For instance, you've not once hacked the source to make any significant >>feature or GUI changes to your Linux apps or desktops.

    In theory, you could tinker with the code and screens to your heart's >>content (since you have the source).

    In practice, you don't have the skill. Very very very few do.

    Got it, bozo?

    Say Boze, you don't seem to realize that skilled people make those changes
    *on* *behalf* of the users. And they are not inhibited by commercial considerations, but by what works weil, improves the code, and satisfies their wants and almost always the wants of their "customers".

    I don't care about commercial vs. FOSS when it comes to the
    philosophy, like would I run X, Y and Z, I'll run anything I want to
    run. But there is something great about open source that you're
    missing by making such a direct comparison to Winblows software, which
    is that you have more choice in how it's specifically implemented for
    you. Your Linux distro or any number of people can make it that way.
    I'm pretty satisfied with Mint, I'm easy to please, but someone who
    wants customization could really do things that are less accessible
    with Winblows.

    Or ask a developer to do it for them.

    Perfect? No. Even OSS developers can be assholes.

    --
    You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Mar 11 18:27:00 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Joel wrote:

    some dumb fsck wrote:

    -- "In practice, though, Linux users are just as controlled by the
    distro makers and FOSS app developers as commercial users are by
    Microsoft and closed-source app developers." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly >>>
    (idiocy and lies, snipped)

    Say Boze, you don't seem to realize that skilled people make those changes >*on* *behalf* of the users. And they are not inhibited by commercial >considerations, but by what works weil, improves the code, and satisfies their >wants and almost always the wants of their "customers".

    DumFSck screaming "night" at high noon, again. What a loser. FOSS
    gives people the freedom, even if they depend upon experts.

    The proof is in the pudding. Look around.

    But there is something great about open source that you're
    missing by making such a direct comparison to Winblows software, which
    is that you have more choice in how it's specifically implemented for
    you. Your Linux distro or any number of people can make it that way.

    Or ask a developer to do it for them.

    Or, if it's major project worthy of significant efforts, form a team
    or company. Programmers can be hired. Projects can be branched.

    Are we going to pretend that this doesn't happen, in the FOSS world?

    --
    'The results [http://tinyurl.com/DumFSck] from last year prove, once
    again, that "choice!" isn't nearly as important to Linux users as
    [chrisv] and RonG and others claim it is.' - DumFSck, lying
    shamelessly

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Mar 11 19:53:57 2024
    On 3/11/2024 7:06 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 2:16 PM, shitv wrote:

    -- "In practice, though, Linux users are just as controlled by the
    distro makers and FOSS app developers as commercial users are by
    Microsoft and closed-source app developers." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly >>>
    No doubt about that whatsoever.

    For instance, you've not once hacked the source to make any significant
    feature or GUI changes to your Linux apps or desktops.

    In theory, you could tinker with the code and screens to your heart's
    content (since you have the source).

    In practice, you don't have the skill. Very very very few do.

    Got it, bozo?

    Say Boze, you don't seem to realize that skilled people make those changes *on* *behalf* of the users.


    The 99.9% of Linux users that have no choice but to accept every app and
    DE as it is. Very much like the 100% of Windows/commercial users who
    are stuck with what they give you.

    So it's just like I said: in practice.

    When the ignoramus shitv calls me a liar for making such statements,
    it's that moron who's lying about me.




    And they are not inhibited by commercial
    considerations, but by what works weil, improves the code, and satisfies their
    wants and almost always the wants of their "customers".


    I would hope ALL devs listen to user feedback.

    MS ignored me for a LONG time when I kept complaining that Outlook
    online never actually deleted messages (even though you moved them to
    Trash, then went to Trash and deleted them again, you could still
    resurrect the motherfuckers.) I complained about it every few months
    and nothing was done. I gave up.

    That was years ago. I just checked, and you can still "recover" stuff
    you tried to delete 2x already. I just "recovered" old emails from 2.5
    months ago, even though the screen says "Items in this folder will be
    deleted in 30 days."

    Gawd. Just delete them already! I HATE that kind of handholding.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Tue Mar 12 01:01:54 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 23:06 this Monday (GMT):
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
    On 3/11/2024 2:16 PM, shitv wrote:

    -- "In practice, though, Linux users are just as controlled by the
    distro makers and FOSS app developers as commercial users are by
    Microsoft and closed-source app developers." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly >>>
    No doubt about that whatsoever.

    For instance, you've not once hacked the source to make any significant >>>feature or GUI changes to your Linux apps or desktops.

    In theory, you could tinker with the code and screens to your heart's >>>content (since you have the source).

    In practice, you don't have the skill. Very very very few do.

    Got it, bozo?

    Say Boze, you don't seem to realize that skilled people make those changes *on* *behalf* of the users. And they are not inhibited by commercial considerations, but by what works weil, improves the code, and satisfies their
    wants and almost always the wants of their "customers".

    And, the devs are also an average user not bound to needing to make
    money off of it.

    I don't care about commercial vs. FOSS when it comes to the
    philosophy, like would I run X, Y and Z, I'll run anything I want to
    run. But there is something great about open source that you're
    missing by making such a direct comparison to Winblows software, which
    is that you have more choice in how it's specifically implemented for
    you. Your Linux distro or any number of people can make it that way.
    I'm pretty satisfied with Mint, I'm easy to please, but someone who
    wants customization could really do things that are less accessible
    with Winblows.

    Or ask a developer to do it for them.

    Perfect? No. Even OSS developers can be assholes.

    or they could be ubuntu
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Joel on Tue Mar 12 02:30:07 2024
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 00:16 this Tuesday (GMT):
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    MS ignored me for a LONG time when I kept complaining that Outlook
    online never actually deleted messages (even though you moved them to >>Trash, then went to Trash and deleted them again, you could still
    resurrect the motherfuckers.) I complained about it every few months
    and nothing was done. I gave up.

    That was years ago. I just checked, and you can still "recover" stuff
    you tried to delete 2x already. I just "recovered" old emails from 2.5 >>months ago, even though the screen says "Items in this folder will be >>deleted in 30 days."

    Gawd. Just delete them already! I HATE that kind of handholding.


    A better argument against M$ Office could not have been offered.

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it
    saved.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Mar 11 23:21:11 2024
    On 3/11/2024 8:16 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    MS ignored me for a LONG time when I kept complaining that Outlook
    online never actually deleted messages (even though you moved them to
    Trash, then went to Trash and deleted them again, you could still
    resurrect the motherfuckers.) I complained about it every few months
    and nothing was done. I gave up.

    That was years ago. I just checked, and you can still "recover" stuff
    you tried to delete 2x already. I just "recovered" old emails from 2.5
    months ago, even though the screen says "Items in this folder will be
    deleted in 30 days."

    Gawd. Just delete them already! I HATE that kind of handholding.


    A better argument against M$ Office could not have been offered.


    outlook.live.com isn't part of MS Office/365.

    It's the successor to Hotmail.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Mon Mar 11 23:23:08 2024
    On 3/11/2024 4:50 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:16:55 -0500, chrisv wrote:


    Jeezuzz, will you shut up man?

    You ask that like the dumb fsck doesn't have a decades-old reputation
    as an obnoxious, lying POS.


    Decades old?

    Holy shiite! I always knew that the DuFuS was a sexually impotent dud
    but to think that he has not experienced a sexual orgasm in DECADES makes
    him even more of a TOTAL DEGENERATE.


    Fantasizing about my orgasms? You are one weird motherfucker.



    Of course, that explains why he is Stallman's groupie.

    Stallman has/had non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/29/richard_stallman_cancer/


    I wonder what I'll write about the evil Stallman, who believes
    everyone's programming work should be given away, when he's gone.



    Here's what the foul skeptic of the harm of pedophilia and believer that
    child porn videos shouldn't be removed from the Internet said about
    Steve Jobs death:

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed
    to sever fools from their freedom, has died.

    As Chicago Mayor Harold Washington said of the corrupt former Mayor
    Daley, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." Nobody deserves
    to have to die - not Jobs, not Mr. Bill, not even people guilty of
    bigger evils than theirs. But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign
    influence on people's computing.

    Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only
    hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be
    less effective." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- https://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_2011_%28Steve_Jobs%29



    What a filthy SOB. You and that cola loser shitv are worse, though.



    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Aside: The fact that his wife is a loathsome dog is NOT an excuse.


    It's another Men-only Monday at the lonely Feeb household. Hit up Relf
    for advice on the best jackoff devices.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Joel on Tue Mar 12 07:06:56 2024
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
    wrote:
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 00:16 this Tuesday (GMT):
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    MS ignored me for a LONG time when I kept complaining that Outlook >>>>online never actually deleted messages (even though you moved them to >>>>Trash, then went to Trash and deleted them again, you could still >>>>resurrect the motherfuckers.) I complained about it every few months >>>>and nothing was done. I gave up.

    That was years ago. I just checked, and you can still "recover" stuff >>>>you tried to delete 2x already. I just "recovered" old emails from 2.5 >>>>months ago, even though the screen says "Items in this folder will be >>>>deleted in 30 days."

    Gawd. Just delete them already! I HATE that kind of handholding.

    A better argument against M$ Office could not have been offered.

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it
    saved.

    Microsoft is just trying to be all-inclusive, but at the expense of
    common sense it would appear. I had actually been using the Outlook
    for Windows beta before I flushed Win11, it worked well with my MS
    account's email as well as my Google account's, but having Edge and
    Chrome to access the respective accounts under Linux is just as good.
    It wasn't the same Outlook that was included in the Office suite of
    software.

    I just use mutt to connect to a gmail server. If I need to sign something I'll use gmail in a browser.

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't be surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    --
    Do something unusual today. Pay a bill.

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  • From Yaxley Peaks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 20:53:09 2024
    I just use mutt to connect to a gmail server. If I need to sign something I'll >use gmail in a browser.

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't be >surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    Gmail for some reason, just hates email. It will reject perfectly valid
    RFC 2822 compliant email addresses. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2822#appendix-A.5

    No idea why tho.
    --
    (yaxp me) => t

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Tue Mar 12 18:26:53 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 07:06:56 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't
    be surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    I don't necessarily believe it but there isn't much if I log into gmail.
    My regular account is set up to pull anything off gmail unlike my proton account.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Yaxley Peaks on Tue Mar 12 17:32:58 2024
    Yaxley Peaks wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    I just use mutt to connect to a gmail server. If I need to sign something I'll
    use gmail in a browser.

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't be >>surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    Gmail for some reason, just hates email. It will reject perfectly valid
    RFC 2822 compliant email addresses.

    https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2822#appendix-A.5

    No idea why tho.

    Me neither. My emails are responses or messages to familiar addresses.

    Maybe you're emailing to addresses in Chy-na? :-D

    --
    You look tired.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Mar 12 17:34:32 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 07:06:56 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't
    be surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    I don't necessarily believe it but there isn't much if I log into gmail.
    My regular account is set up to pull anything off gmail unlike my proton account.

    I stil get email from entities I resigned from years ago, such as the IEEE.

    --
    When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened
    or not; but my faculties are decaying now and soon I shall be so I
    cannot remember any but the things that never happened. It is sad to
    go to pieces like this but we all have to do it.
    -- Mark Twain

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Joel on Tue Mar 12 17:02:43 2024
    Joel wrote:

    candycanearter07 wrote:

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it
    saved.

    Microsoft is just trying to be all-inclusive, but at the expense of
    common sense it would appear.

    Windows is a one-size-fits-all compromise. There's simply no way that
    it will behave optimally for all, or even most, users. The world
    needs more choice.

    --
    '"more choice to the user" - what a crock of shit.' - "True Linux
    advocate" Hadron Quark

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Tue Mar 12 23:48:39 2024
    On 2024-03-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Yaxley Peaks wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    I just use mutt to connect to a gmail server. If I need to sign something I'll
    use gmail in a browser.

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't be >>>surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    Gmail for some reason, just hates email. It will reject perfectly valid
    RFC 2822 compliant email addresses.

    https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2822#appendix-A.5

    No idea why tho.

    Me neither. My emails are responses or messages to familiar addresses.

    Maybe you're emailing to addresses in Chy-na? :-D


    Proton mail.

    https://proton.me/l/mail-plans-hfp?

    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Wed Mar 13 00:57:27 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:34:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 07:06:56 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I
    wouldn't be surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff
    4ever.

    I don't necessarily believe it but there isn't much if I log into
    gmail.
    My regular account is set up to pull anything off gmail unlike my
    proton account.

    I stil get email from entities I resigned from years ago, such as the
    IEEE.

    I still get those too. I bailed in the '80s after Irwin Feerst lost his
    battle to have the IEEE act in the interest of engineers rather than
    employers. Everything he said about outsourcing and the abuse of H-1B
    visas is as relevant, if not more so, today.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed Mar 13 03:47:52 2024
    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:48:39 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Proton mail.

    Sending to Proton? Are you using @proton.me ? The old domain should still
    work though afaik.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Mar 13 07:21:17 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:34:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 07:06:56 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I
    wouldn't be surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff
    4ever.

    I don't necessarily believe it but there isn't much if I log into
    gmail.
    My regular account is set up to pull anything off gmail unlike my
    proton account.

    I stil get email from entities I resigned from years ago, such as the
    IEEE.

    I still get those too. I bailed in the '80s after Irwin Feerst lost his battle to have the IEEE act in the interest of engineers rather than employers. Everything he said about outsourcing and the abuse of H-1B
    visas is as relevant, if not more so, today.

    Can't stand the competition, eh? :-)

    Years ago, Lou Dobbs showed a video of Congressmen grilling Bill Gates
    about H-1B visas, and Dobbs ranted (justifiably so) about "congressmen groveling before a billionaire". Cut to today, and that rant seems quite
    ironic given Dobb's groveling before his Cheetoh Jesus.

    Meanwhile, the top 50 CMMI Level 5 companies seem all be in India.

    :-D

    (Our group, a couple decades ago, achieved Level 3).

    --
    Q: Are we not men?
    A: We are Vaxen.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Wed Mar 13 14:30:03 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:21:17 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Can't stand the competition, eh?

    Years ago, Lou Dobbs showed a video of Congressmen grilling Bill Gates
    about H-1B visas, and Dobbs ranted (justifiably so) about "congressmen groveling before a billionaire". Cut to today, and that rant seems quite ironic given Dobb's groveling before his Cheetoh Jesus.

    If doctors can have their very influential trade union, the AMA, why not engineers?

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Mar 13 11:31:30 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:21:17 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Can't stand the competition, eh?

    Years ago, Lou Dobbs showed a video of Congressmen grilling Bill Gates
    about H-1B visas, and Dobbs ranted (justifiably so) about "congressmen
    groveling before a billionaire". Cut to today, and that rant seems quite
    ironic given Dobb's groveling before his Cheetoh Jesus.

    If doctors can have their very influential trade union, the AMA, why not engineers?

    Better ethics? ;->

    --
    You will gain money by an immoral action.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to chrisv on Wed Mar 13 22:00:02 2024
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 22:02 this Tuesday (GMT):
    Joel wrote:

    candycanearter07 wrote:

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it >>>saved.

    Microsoft is just trying to be all-inclusive, but at the expense of
    common sense it would appear.

    Windows is a one-size-fits-all compromise. There's simply no way that
    it will behave optimally for all, or even most, users. The world
    needs more choice.

    And Apple is even worse..
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Yaxley Peaks on Wed Mar 13 22:10:02 2024
    Yaxley Peaks <yax@yaxley.in> wrote at 15:23 this Tuesday (GMT):

    I just use mutt to connect to a gmail server. If I need to sign something I'll
    use gmail in a browser.

    Every few days I have to d d d d d d d to clean out mutt. But I wouldn't be >>surprised to find that gmail, like crimosoft, saves stuff 4ever.

    Gmail for some reason, just hates email. It will reject perfectly valid
    RFC 2822 compliant email addresses. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2822#appendix-A.5

    No idea why tho.

    There was an entire talk about gmail blocking "suspicious" emails
    completely preventing most people from setting up a news server

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrGfahzt-4Q&ab_channel=NDCConferences
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Wed Mar 13 22:50:19 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 13:33:46 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Doctors are businessmen, engineers are employees.

    Not necessarily in either case.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Fri Mar 15 04:34:36 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:39:59 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Do you know who needed Union support in this country. Physicists! You
    didn't have that, and therefore became a second world country.

    Yeah, but we make movies about (dead, Communist) physicists.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Mar 15 07:05:16 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:39:59 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Do you know who needed Union support in this country. Physicists! You
    didn't have that, and therefore became a second world country.

    Yeah, but we make movies about (dead, Communist) physicists.

    And call "liberals" by the appellation of "Communist" :-D

    ObLinux:

    https://www.theregister.com/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

    Steve Ballmer was the only person to raise the issue of Linux when he
    wrapped up Microsoft's annual financial analysts meeting in Seattle,
    although he put Sun and Oracle ahead in terms of being stronger
    competitors. They of course are 'civilised' competitors - but the Linux
    crowd, in the world of Prez Steve, are communists.

    --
    Work consists of whatever a body is obliged to do.
    Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do.
    -- Mark Twain

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Fri Mar 15 16:08:44 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 00:51:54 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

    I saw it pirated when the HDcam version got available very soon after
    its release. Hated it. One should never see a cam version of a movie.

    I'm not planning on seeing it in any format.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Fri Mar 15 16:19:19 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:05:16 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:39:59 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Do you know who needed Union support in this country. Physicists! You
    didn't have that, and therefore became a second world country.

    Yeah, but we make movies about (dead, Communist) physicists.

    And call "liberals" by the appellation of "Communist" :-D

    While Oppenheimer may not have had a CPUSA card in his wallet he offered financial support to it and its front groups.

    https://www.commentary.org/articles/harvey-klehr/oppenheimer-was-a-
    communist/

    In some ways I respect old school CPUSA members for than 'liberals'. I
    include 'classical liberals' in that too.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Mar 15 14:45:34 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:05:16 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:39:59 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

    Do you know who needed Union support in this country. Physicists! You
    didn't have that, and therefore became a second world country.

    Yeah, but we make movies about (dead, Communist) physicists.

    And call "liberals" by the appellation of "Communist" :-D

    While Oppenheimer may not have had a CPUSA card in his wallet he offered financial support to it and its front groups.

    https://www.commentary.org/articles/harvey-klehr/oppenheimer-was-a-communist/

    Hop Sing! He name names! You blacklisted!

    In some ways I respect old school CPUSA members for than 'liberals'. I include 'classical liberals' in that too.

    The terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' are grossly ill-defined these days. Skunked, if I may say so.

    Cue RonB to chastise me in some way. :-D

    --
    How apt the poor are to be proud.
    -- William Shakespeare, "Twelfth-Night"

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Mar 16 04:52:39 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:45:34 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    The terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' are grossly ill-defined these
    days.
    Skunked, if I may say so.

    Three steps beyond skunked...

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 09:23:46 2024
    Le 12-03-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it
    saved.

    I don't like trash systems. I don't need them and I hate when I can't
    bypass them.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 09:00:16 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Le 12-03-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it
    saved.

    I don't like trash systems. I don't need them and I hate when I can't
    bypass them.

    Anything I want to be able to go back to if need, I just move it to ~/tmp. Unless, of course, it is under git control.

    --
    It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely
    the most important.
    -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Case of Identity"

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Mar 16 08:58:46 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:45:34 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    The terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' are grossly ill-defined these
    days.
    Skunked, if I may say so.

    Three steps beyond skunked...

    In the old days, they'd call you a "Commie". These days, the call you a "liberal".

    Buncha communist pinko liberal Linux lovers around here! :-D

    --
    Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift?
    A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Mar 16 10:48:01 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Buncha communist pinko liberal Linux lovers around here! :-D

    There are more conservative Linux lovers, it seems. Freedom lovers
    are mostly on the right, collectivists and tyrants are mostly on the
    left.

    --
    "There are loads of fat smelly basement dwellers with greasy hair and
    pizza crumbed beards who use dumpster HW in the Linux community." -
    "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to sc@fiat-linux.fr on Sat Mar 16 16:50:02 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 09:23 this Saturday (GMT):
    Le 12-03-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :

    The trash system is already a safety net, you don't need to keep it
    saved.

    I don't like trash systems. I don't need them and I hate when I can't
    bypass them.

    I'm indifferent. It is nice to have sometimes.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Mar 16 19:01:29 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:58:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    In the old days, they'd call you a "Commie". These days, the call you a "liberal".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yhFJ8C6j0

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sat Mar 16 17:39:17 2024
    chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Buncha communist pinko liberal Linux lovers around here! :-D

    There are more conservative Linux lovers, it seems. Freedom lovers
    are mostly on the right, collectivists and tyrants are mostly on the
    left.

    Overgeneralization. For example, some on the "right" want to curtail the self-determination of women; one even thinks they should not be allowed to vote. Or, businessmen should have freedom to do what they want regardless
    of the effect on their employees or the environment.

    Rather than "left" and "right", it seems to me to be more like "zealots"
    and "pragmatists".

    But we could argue for a long time about the details. And what "freedom" means. We generally cannot do or say anything we want to without consequences.

    --
    You need more time; and you probably always will.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Mar 16 17:43:49 2024
    rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:58:46 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    In the old days, they'd call you a "Commie". These days, the call you a
    "liberal".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yhFJ8C6j0

    "If you ain't been called a red" - American Communist Song"

    How about "If you ain't been called a green" (environmentalist)
    How about "If you ain't been called a red" (Republican)
    How about "If you ain't been called a blue" (Democrat)

    --
    Many a writer seems to think he is never profound except when he can't understand his own meaning.
    -- George D. Prentice

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 07:15:49 2024
    % wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Buncha communist pinko liberal Linux lovers around here! :-D

    There are more conservative Linux lovers, it seems. Freedom lovers
    are mostly on the right, collectivists and tyrants are mostly on the
    left.

    Overgeneralization. For example, some on the "right" want to curtail the
    self-determination of women; one even thinks they should not be allowed to >> vote. Or, businessmen should have freedom to do what they want regardless
    of the effect on their employees or the environment.

    Rather than "left" and "right", it seems to me to be more like "zealots"
    and "pragmatists".

    But we could argue for a long time about the details. And what "freedom" means.
    We generally cannot do or say anything we want to without consequences.

    sure we can

    Try it and see! Make fun of Cheetoh Jesus in the midst of a bunch of
    people toting American flags defaced by the face of EXPOTUS45.

    --
    You will be advanced socially, without any special effort on your part.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sun Mar 17 08:59:43 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    % wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Buncha communist pinko liberal Linux lovers around here! :-D

    There are more conservative Linux lovers, it seems. Freedom lovers
    are mostly on the right, collectivists and tyrants are mostly on the
    left.

    Overgeneralization. For example, some on the "right" want to curtail the >>> self-determination of women; one even thinks they should not be allowed to >>> vote. Or, businessmen should have freedom to do what they want regardless >>> of the effect on their employees or the environment.

    Rather than "left" and "right", it seems to me to be more like "zealots" >>> and "pragmatists".

    But we could argue for a long time about the details. And what "freedom" means.
    We generally cannot do or say anything we want to without consequences.

    sure we can

    Try it and see! Make fun of Cheetoh Jesus in the midst of a bunch of
    people toting American flags defaced by the face of EXPOTUS45.


    its usually the lesser intelligent person , that comments
    on the more intelligent person's , lack of intelligents
    and we all think what we do has major significants

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sun Mar 17 08:45:26 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Try it and see! Make fun of Cheetoh Jesus in the midst of a bunch of
    people toting American flags defaced by the face of EXPOTUS45.

    Hell, just waving the American flag causes some leftist weirdos to
    feel "unsafe". They should just get the fsck out, IMO. We've got
    leftists fresh off the boat from utter shitholes who have the audacity
    to criticize our way of doing things. Inclusion? They'll slaughter
    each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim!

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sun Mar 17 10:44:04 2024
    chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Try it and see! Make fun of Cheetoh Jesus in the midst of a bunch of
    people toting American flags defaced by the face of EXPOTUS45.

    Hell, just waving the American flag causes some leftist weirdos to
    feel "unsafe". They should just get the fsck out, IMO. We've got
    leftists fresh off the boat from utter shitholes who have the audacity
    to criticize our way of doing things. Inclusion? They'll slaughter
    each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim!

    "Buh wuddaboud ...?"

    --
    You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Mar 18 07:04:02 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    chrisv wrote:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Try it and see! Make fun of Cheetoh Jesus in the midst of a bunch of >>>people toting American flags defaced by the face of EXPOTUS45.

    Hell, just waving the American flag causes some leftist weirdos to
    feel "unsafe". They should just get the fsck out, IMO. We've got
    leftists fresh off the boat from utter shitholes who have the audacity
    to criticize our way of doing things. Inclusion? They'll slaughter
    each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim!

    "Buh wuddaboud ...?"

    Nope. My point was much stronger than yours. As usual.

    Cue :-D "comeback".

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