• Re: You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to Relf on Thu Dec 28 09:48:17 2023
    On 2023-12-28 9:38 a.m., Relf wrote:
    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    Are you suggesting that Joel Crump is a bird-brained flaming faggot
    simply because he doesn't get enough sleep?

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From %@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Thu Dec 28 09:57:05 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate

    RabidPedagog wrote:
    On 2023-12-28 9:38 a.m., Relf wrote:
    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    Are you suggesting that Joel Crump is a bird-brained flaming faggot
    simply because he doesn't get enough sleep?


    https://yourimageshare.com/ib/AYJ2bbzBGA

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  • From Relf@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 28 06:38:08 2023
    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Relf on Thu Dec 28 21:31:18 2023
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.

    --
    "Stop demanding these people give their code away so that their
    competitors can steal their hard earned IP." - "True Linux
    advocate" Hadron Quark

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Fri Dec 29 12:10:51 2023
    On 12/28/2023 9:47 AM, Joel wrote:
    "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.


    Again, you simply don't know the half of it. What I have done with substances is *magnificent*. This is why Jesus talked me up so much,
    on God's behalf, I'm not the perfect person that Jesus more or less
    was, but I am the basis for his existence, along with others on the
    level, he represented a preview of what would come, from our labor in
    the 20th and 21st centuries.

    babble babble


    What's actually magnificent is the snack I'm having:
    a Famous Dave's sweet 'n spicy pickle and a quarter slice of ALDI Happy
    Farms Deluxe cheese on a Publix saltine cracker.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Fri Dec 29 12:20:15 2023
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.


    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender. Your seeming normalcy is just
    boring, in reality. You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet,
    but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike
    me, a Twitter superstar.


    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats.

    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Joel on Fri Dec 29 15:11:48 2023
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux >>distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats.

    :-D Linux has been installed and working for about 3 decades now. The developers have even overcome Microsoft's trusted-boot boolshit, years
    ago.

    DFS forgets that the basic developers of Linux-related code are primarily professional developers. Guys like Torvalds.

    What are you smoking, that makes you think Linux has less credibility,
    than M$? Both are perfectly fine, in their cores, Windows' bloat is
    not the NT kernel, it's other things. Both platforms offer the same
    basic thing, but one is proprietary.

    The proof is in the pudding. Linux *works* for millions of people.

    --
    I got a hint of things to come when I overheard my boss lamenting, 'The
    books are done and we still don't have an author! I must sign someone
    today!
    -- Tamim Ansary, "Edutopia Magazine, Issue 2, November 2004"
    on the topic of school textbooks

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to DFS on Sat Dec 30 07:44:20 2023
    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.


    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just
    boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet,
    but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike
    me, a Twitter superstar.


    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats.

    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Dec 30 07:46:48 2023
    On 2023-12-29 3:11 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats.

    :-D Linux has been installed and working for about 3 decades now. The developers have even overcome Microsoft's trusted-boot boolshit, years
    ago.

    DFS forgets that the basic developers of Linux-related code are primarily professional developers. Guys like Torvalds.

    What are you smoking, that makes you think Linux has less credibility,
    than M$? Both are perfectly fine, in their cores, Windows' bloat is
    not the NT kernel, it's other things. Both platforms offer the same
    basic thing, but one is proprietary.

    The proof is in the pudding. Linux *works* for millions of people.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVmJooy5NiU>

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Sat Dec 30 10:25:23 2023
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.

    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just
    boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet,
    but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike
    me, a Twitter superstar.

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats.

    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    YMMV...

    --
    FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #19
    A: To be or not to be.
    Q: What is the square root of 4b^2?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 30 18:14:18 2023
    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    I have found some very new laptops on which it was very difficult to
    install. I had to launch Windows pre-installed to be able to boot on the
    USB stick. And once Windows was removed and replaced by Linux it has
    been a hell to be able to manage the boot process. I saw one laptop on
    which we had to installe Linux on a VM because it was impossible to
    install directly.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 30 20:52:51 2023
    Le 30-12-2023, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 12/30/2023 11:17 AM, RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the
    developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    Buy some better USB drives.

    I have the crapiest cheapest USB drives from years back and had no
    difficulty using them to install Linux on the desktop or on the USB
    drive itself.

    If I could do it, any idiot could do it as well.

    It's not an issue with the USB drives, it's an issue with the secure
    boot. The more recent the laptop is, the more difficult it is to bypass
    it. As Canonical paid Microsoft, usually, it's easier to install Ubuntu
    than other OSes because they got the right keys. But it's not always
    enough. Sometimes, you need to use Windows to change the way the UEFI is configured to be able to boot on your USB drive.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 30 17:31:18 2023
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    I have found some very new laptops on which it was very difficult to
    install. I had to launch Windows pre-installed to be able to boot on the
    USB stick. And once Windows was removed and replaced by Linux it has
    been a hell to be able to manage the boot process. I saw one laptop on
    which we had to installe Linux on a VM because it was impossible to
    install directly.

    Tell us which vendor. So we can avoid it.

    --
    In the stairway of life, you'd best take the elevator.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 31 11:28:50 2023
    Le 31-12-2023, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 2023-12-30, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 12/30/2023 11:17 AM, RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the >>>>> developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    Buy some better USB drives.

    I have the crapiest cheapest USB drives from years back and had no
    difficulty using them to install Linux on the desktop or on the USB
    drive itself.

    If I could do it, any idiot could do it as well.

    It's not an issue with the USB drives, it's an issue with the secure
    boot. The more recent the laptop is, the more difficult it is to bypass
    it. As Canonical paid Microsoft, usually, it's easier to install Ubuntu
    than other OSes because they got the right keys. But it's not always
    enough. Sometimes, you need to use Windows to change the way the UEFI is
    configured to be able to boot on your USB drive.

    So they won't let you change Secure Boot in the BIOS setup screen?

    Exactly. Sometimes, you can't enter the BIOS from the boot, you have to
    do it from Windows. Other times, you can enter the setup but the
    password is needing to disable the secure boot.

    I don't think Dell has gone that direction (yet anyhow).

    I believe it's not related only to the vendor, the reseller has some responsibility too.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 31 11:24:28 2023
    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    I have found some very new laptops on which it was very difficult to
    install. I had to launch Windows pre-installed to be able to boot on the
    USB stick. And once Windows was removed and replaced by Linux it has
    been a hell to be able to manage the boot process. I saw one laptop on
    which we had to installe Linux on a VM because it was impossible to
    install directly.

    Tell us which vendor. So we can avoid it.

    I don't remember. I'm not interesting in hardware so as long as I don't
    need to buy it, I don't know what's available. It changes fast. In
    France, I avoid the big distribution selling computers with Windows on
    them because it's often more locked than little resellers. It can be
    different in other countries.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sun Dec 31 08:15:26 2023
    On 2023-12-30 10:25 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.

    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just
    boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet, >>>> but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike
    me, a Twitter superstar.

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats. >>>
    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the
    developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    YMMV...

    Meanwhile, on this ASUS Zephyrus G14, the only distributions which boot successfully are Ubuntu (if you use safe graphics), Pop OS and Linux
    Mint (the official release, not the alternatives). Just about all of the
    others fail miserably, even Fedora.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Dec 31 08:24:04 2023
    On 2023-12-30 12:17 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.


    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just
    boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet, >>>> but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike
    me, a Twitter superstar.


    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats. >>>
    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the
    developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    Buy some better USB drives.

    Verbatim doesn't make bad drives. The reality is that the distributions
    are poorly designed and every common person who ends up using them
    learns that very quickly.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Dec 31 08:27:33 2023
    On 2023-12-30 12:25 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-29 3:11 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux >>>>> distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats. >>>
    :-D Linux has been installed and working for about 3 decades now. The
    developers have even overcome Microsoft's trusted-boot boolshit, years
    ago.

    DFS forgets that the basic developers of Linux-related code are primarily >>> professional developers. Guys like Torvalds.

    What are you smoking, that makes you think Linux has less credibility, >>>> than M$? Both are perfectly fine, in their cores, Windows' bloat is
    not the NT kernel, it's other things. Both platforms offer the same
    basic thing, but one is proprietary.

    The proof is in the pudding. Linux *works* for millions of people.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVmJooy5NiU>

    Someone posts on YouTube and we we're supposed to accept that as Gospel? I have 17 years of Linux using experience. Which should I go with... dude on YouTube or what I've seen with my own eyes? ...

    Which should *I* go with, a guy with a long track record of defending
    Linux no matter how poor it is or a very popular and very credible
    YouTuber with millions of subscribers who respect his objective and
    verifiable views?

    It's a hard decision, but I think I'll go with... my own experience for $1,000 — as they used to say on Jeopardy.

    Your reality is that Linux works great on machines that would otherwise
    be recycled. His reality is closer to mine.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 31 08:35:50 2023
    On 2023-12-30 3:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 12/30/2023 11:17 AM, RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the >>>> developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    Buy some better USB drives.

    I have the crapiest cheapest USB drives from years back and had no
    difficulty using them to install Linux on the desktop or on the USB
    drive itself.

    If I could do it, any idiot could do it as well.

    It's not an issue with the USB drives, it's an issue with the secure
    boot. The more recent the laptop is, the more difficult it is to bypass
    it. As Canonical paid Microsoft, usually, it's easier to install Ubuntu
    than other OSes because they got the right keys. But it's not always
    enough. Sometimes, you need to use Windows to change the way the UEFI is configured to be able to boot on your USB drive.

    Whenever I try a Linux distribution, I disable Secure Boot regardless of whether the distribution would work with it enabled. Even under those circumstances, most of the Linux distributions refuse to boot.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 31 08:43:39 2023
    On 2023-12-31 6:24 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >>
    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable >>>> USB stick.

    I have found some very new laptops on which it was very difficult to
    install. I had to launch Windows pre-installed to be able to boot on the >>> USB stick. And once Windows was removed and replaced by Linux it has
    been a hell to be able to manage the boot process. I saw one laptop on
    which we had to installe Linux on a VM because it was impossible to
    install directly.

    Tell us which vendor. So we can avoid it.

    I don't remember. I'm not interesting in hardware so as long as I don't
    need to buy it, I don't know what's available. It changes fast. In
    France, I avoid the big distribution selling computers with Windows on
    them because it's often more locked than little resellers. It can be different in other countries.

    On the Sony I used to use, I don't recall issues getting Linux
    distributions to boot, but it's admittedly been a long time. The MSI and
    the Asus were another story, and only Pop OS _never_ gives issues. Of
    course, Pop OS offers an ISO specific to NVIDIA chips unlike the others.
    The last time I used a Dell around 2009, it had no issues with Ubuntu at
    least.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Dec 31 10:26:16 2023
    RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-30, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    I have found some very new laptops on which it was very difficult to
    install. I had to launch Windows pre-installed to be able to boot on the
    USB stick. And once Windows was removed and replaced by Linux it has
    been a hell to be able to manage the boot process. I saw one laptop on
    which we had to installe Linux on a VM because it was impossible to
    install directly.

    I've never installed Linux on brand new laptops, so I haven't run into this issue. I guess I'll sticking with my old computers permanently.

    Nah, Linux handles new computers well these days. In fact, I believe that Lenovo coordinates with Ubuntu to make sure the latter works on their gear.
    I installed it on this Lenovo Flex and wiped Windows off at the same time.
    Then I decided, since I have seen a number of people using Arch Linux in
    their music production. to install that on this laptop. Works great!

    --
    Be cautious in your daily affairs.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Sun Dec 31 10:29:03 2023
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-30 10:25 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.

    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just
    boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet, >>>>> but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike >>>>> me, a Twitter superstar.

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux
    distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats. >>>>
    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the
    developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    YMMV...

    Meanwhile, on this ASUS Zephyrus G14, the only distributions which boot successfully are Ubuntu (if you use safe graphics), Pop OS and Linux
    Mint (the official release, not the alternatives). Just about all of the others fail miserably, even Fedora.

    Well damn, that sux!

    --
    Q: What do you call a WASP who doesn't work for his father, isn't a
    lawyer, and believes in social causes?
    A: A failure.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Dec 31 11:04:32 2023
    On 12/31/2023 10:44 AM, RonB wrote:

    Sounds like he doesn't know how to use Linux very well if it's not stable
    for him.

    Figures you'd adopt the lame "RTFM newb, it's your fault" mindset of a
    Linux luser cult member.

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Mon Jan 1 08:10:56 2024
    On 2023-12-31 10:29 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-30 10:25 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep.

    No, it's because he's a kook.

    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people
    really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just >>>>>> boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet, >>>>>> but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike >>>>>> me, a Twitter superstar.

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux >>>>> distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats. >>>>>
    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the >>>> developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable
    USB stick.

    YMMV...

    Meanwhile, on this ASUS Zephyrus G14, the only distributions which boot
    successfully are Ubuntu (if you use safe graphics), Pop OS and Linux
    Mint (the official release, not the alternatives). Just about all of the
    others fail miserably, even Fedora.

    Well damn, that sux!

    Unlike Lenovo, I get the impression ASUS doesn't coordinate with Ubuntu. However, the distribution still works if you don't mind first running
    with safe graphics. Once installed, 23.10, at the very least, runs fine.
    It does freeze periodically for either a few minutes or permanently
    though. I don't know what that's all about but it seems to be common
    with Ubuntu.


    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Jan 1 08:22:34 2024
    On 2023-12-31 10:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-31, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-30 3:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 12/30/2023 11:17 AM, RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the >>>>>> developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of >>>>>> whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like >>>>>> these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    Buy some better USB drives.

    I have the crapiest cheapest USB drives from years back and had no
    difficulty using them to install Linux on the desktop or on the USB
    drive itself.

    If I could do it, any idiot could do it as well.

    It's not an issue with the USB drives, it's an issue with the secure
    boot. The more recent the laptop is, the more difficult it is to bypass
    it. As Canonical paid Microsoft, usually, it's easier to install Ubuntu
    than other OSes because they got the right keys. But it's not always
    enough. Sometimes, you need to use Windows to change the way the UEFI is >>> configured to be able to boot on your USB drive.

    Whenever I try a Linux distribution, I disable Secure Boot regardless of
    whether the distribution would work with it enabled. Even under those
    circumstances, most of the Linux distributions refuse to boot.

    I'm coming to the conclusion that I would never buy an Asus computer because I just don't have the problems. (I don't much like ThinkPads either, despite their popularity in some circles.)

    The ASUS computers are very well designed. Unfortunately though, they
    use some awful parts for certain things. On my own device, the
    fingerprint sensor is made by some Chinese company called Shengzhen or whatever. Officially, the brand is known by Goodix though.
    Unsurprisingly, the sensor is defective and only sometimes decides to
    work. I thought it was a driver issue for a long time but it seems it
    has nothing to do with it; the device just stops working altogether
    after a while. I don't care because fingerprint sensors, in general, are insecure ways to log into your computer, so I just disabled it entirely.
    Their AMD-based laptops also use a wireless chip from MediaTek. I don't
    know where they're from, but I'd bet they're Chinese too. When I got the laptop, within the first two days the wireless would disappear
    completely. I knew that I could get it back by doing a hard reset, but I
    can only imagine what novice users were thinking. Whether you used
    Windows or Linux, the thing would just decide to go into a coma and even
    when it worked, it would keep the speeds at low and high extreees. It
    seems to have been fixed through drivers after a while but I went ahead
    and replaced the chip with an Intel one which works a lot better.

    Unfortunately, that's the reality of PC laptops nowadays: brilliant
    designed crippled by sketchy third-party manufacturers. Apple might not
    be great for games, but they test every last part to make sure that it
    is entirely reliable before they ship a machine. This Mac's fingerprint
    sensor is rock solid and detects my finger on the first try unlike the
    sensor on the other which, when it worked, required me to put my finger
    on it a few times before it understood who I was. I guess those Chinese
    sensors don't like it when their users don't have slanted eyes.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Mon Jan 1 09:05:10 2024
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-31 10:29 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-30 10:25 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 2023-12-29 12:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 12/28/2023 10:39 PM, Joel wrote:
    chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Relf wrote:

    Crump:
    You wouldn't even know the half of what it is,
    to be an amphetamine person, Relf.

    You make worse decisions because you haven't got enough sleep. >>>>>>>>
    No, it's because he's a kook.

    You're the kook, kiddo, I really am Jesus, and transgender people >>>>>>> really are their identified gender.  Your seeming normalcy is just >>>>>>> boring, in reality.  You can parade your dated persona here on Usenet, >>>>>>> but you undoubtedly have no claim to fame on anything modern, unlike >>>>>>> me, a Twitter superstar.

    Considering the hodgepodge of hobbyist crudware that makes up a Linux >>>>>> distro, the fact that it boots is a minor miracle.

    So just by running Linux, you actually are performing supernatural feats.

    Welcome to cola, Jesus...

    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the >>>>> developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of
    whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like
    these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    I have yet to find a computer, desktop, laptop, or server, on which I could not
    install Linux successfully. Whether from DVD, net-install, or bootable >>>> USB stick.

    YMMV...

    Meanwhile, on this ASUS Zephyrus G14, the only distributions which boot
    successfully are Ubuntu (if you use safe graphics), Pop OS and Linux
    Mint (the official release, not the alternatives). Just about all of the >>> others fail miserably, even Fedora.

    Well damn, that sux!

    Unlike Lenovo, I get the impression ASUS doesn't coordinate with Ubuntu. However, the distribution still works if you don't mind first running
    with safe graphics. Once installed, 23.10, at the very least, runs fine.
    It does freeze periodically for either a few minutes or permanently
    though. I don't know what that's all about but it seems to be common
    with Ubuntu.

    $ cat /etc/issue
    Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS \n \l

    That's on an ASUS N551J, think I bought it about 12 years ago from Xotic PC. It's got a reputation for crappy wireless, but I use it as a desktop computer now. Got a few USB devices plugged in. Stripped out the repeats:

    Bus 002 Device 006: ID 2109:0812 VIA Labs, Inc. VL812 Hub
    Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05e3:0620 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB3.1 Hub
    Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
    Bus 001 Device 005: ID 13d3:5188 IMC Networks USB2.0 UVC HD Webcam
    Bus 001 Device 018: ID 13d3:3402 IMC Networks Bluetooth USB Host Controller
    Bus 001 Device 029: ID 08bb:2902 Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec
    Bus 001 Device 028: ID 04a9:190a Canon, Inc. CanoScan LiDE 210
    Bus 001 Device 027: ID 13b2:0065 Alesis
    Bus 001 Device 012: ID 05e3:0610 Genesys Logic, Inc. 4-port hub
    Bus 001 Device 010: ID 248a:8367 Maxxter
    Bus 001 Device 008: ID 062a:4102 MosArt Semiconductor Corp. USB2.1 Hub
    Bus 001 Device 051: ID 0944:0115 KORG, Inc.
    Bus 001 Device 009: ID 1235:0036 Focusrite-Novation USB2.1 Hub
    Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:081a Logitech, Inc. Webcam C260
    Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

    I think the Maxxter is a vertical mouse. The Texas Instruments is the Behringer USB audio codec device.

    --
    ... A solemn, unsmiling, sanctimonious old iceberg who looked like he
    was waiting for a vacancy in the Trinity.
    -- Mark Twain

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Jan 1 18:40:38 2024
    On 2024-01-01 12:45 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-01-01, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-31 10:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-31, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-30 3:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 12/30/2023 11:17 AM, RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the >>>>>>>> developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of >>>>>>>> whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like >>>>>>>> these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system.

    Buy some better USB drives.

    I have the crapiest cheapest USB drives from years back and had no >>>>>> difficulty using them to install Linux on the desktop or on the USB >>>>>> drive itself.

    If I could do it, any idiot could do it as well.

    It's not an issue with the USB drives, it's an issue with the secure >>>>> boot. The more recent the laptop is, the more difficult it is to bypass >>>>> it. As Canonical paid Microsoft, usually, it's easier to install Ubuntu >>>>> than other OSes because they got the right keys. But it's not always >>>>> enough. Sometimes, you need to use Windows to change the way the UEFI is >>>>> configured to be able to boot on your USB drive.

    Whenever I try a Linux distribution, I disable Secure Boot regardless of >>>> whether the distribution would work with it enabled. Even under those
    circumstances, most of the Linux distributions refuse to boot.

    I'm coming to the conclusion that I would never buy an Asus computer because
    I just don't have the problems. (I don't much like ThinkPads either, despite
    their popularity in some circles.)

    The ASUS computers are very well designed. Unfortunately though, they
    use some awful parts for certain things. On my own device, the
    fingerprint sensor is made by some Chinese company called Shengzhen or
    whatever. Officially, the brand is known by Goodix though.
    Unsurprisingly, the sensor is defective and only sometimes decides to
    work. I thought it was a driver issue for a long time but it seems it
    has nothing to do with it; the device just stops working altogether
    after a while. I don't care because fingerprint sensors, in general, are
    insecure ways to log into your computer, so I just disabled it entirely.
    Their AMD-based laptops also use a wireless chip from MediaTek. I don't
    know where they're from, but I'd bet they're Chinese too. When I got the
    laptop, within the first two days the wireless would disappear
    completely. I knew that I could get it back by doing a hard reset, but I
    can only imagine what novice users were thinking. Whether you used
    Windows or Linux, the thing would just decide to go into a coma and even
    when it worked, it would keep the speeds at low and high extreees. It
    seems to have been fixed through drivers after a while but I went ahead
    and replaced the chip with an Intel one which works a lot better.

    Unfortunately, that's the reality of PC laptops nowadays: brilliant
    designed crippled by sketchy third-party manufacturers. Apple might not
    be great for games, but they test every last part to make sure that it
    is entirely reliable before they ship a machine. This Mac's fingerprint
    sensor is rock solid and detects my finger on the first try unlike the
    sensor on the other which, when it worked, required me to put my finger
    on it a few times before it understood who I was. I guess those Chinese
    sensors don't like it when their users don't have slanted eyes.

    Sketchy parts and no quality control. Even my wife's expensive Dell XPS 17" had to have its motherboard replaced within a couple months of buying it. Fortunately it came with an in-home warranty.

    I remember having in-home warranty on a second-hand Dell laptop I bought
    in 2007. It was awesome since I had no idea such a thing existed. I
    might get a Dell again just for that. Funny enough, it also needed its motherboard replaced but I doubt it was the fault of the hardware as
    much as the fact that I left the laptop in its bag in the trunk of my
    car in freezing temperatures all the time. I think just about any
    hardware would die under those conditions. If Dell's gaming laptops are
    any good, I might go in that direction.

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    @RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Jan 2 08:25:17 2024
    On 2024-01-01 11:28 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-01-01, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2024-01-01 12:45 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-01-01, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-31 10:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-31, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2023-12-30 3:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 30-12-2023, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>> On 12/30/2023 11:17 AM, RonB wrote:
    On 2023-12-30, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    You cannot imagine how many Linux ISOs I put onto a USB key (using the
    developer's own directions) which then refuse to boot regardless of >>>>>>>>>> whether secure boot is enabled or not. At this point, it feels like >>>>>>>>>> these guys don't truly want you to run their operating system. >>>>>>>>>
    Buy some better USB drives.

    I have the crapiest cheapest USB drives from years back and had no >>>>>>>> difficulty using them to install Linux on the desktop or on the USB >>>>>>>> drive itself.

    If I could do it, any idiot could do it as well.

    It's not an issue with the USB drives, it's an issue with the secure >>>>>>> boot. The more recent the laptop is, the more difficult it is to bypass >>>>>>> it. As Canonical paid Microsoft, usually, it's easier to install Ubuntu >>>>>>> than other OSes because they got the right keys. But it's not always >>>>>>> enough. Sometimes, you need to use Windows to change the way the UEFI is
    configured to be able to boot on your USB drive.

    Whenever I try a Linux distribution, I disable Secure Boot regardless of >>>>>> whether the distribution would work with it enabled. Even under those >>>>>> circumstances, most of the Linux distributions refuse to boot.

    I'm coming to the conclusion that I would never buy an Asus computer because
    I just don't have the problems. (I don't much like ThinkPads either, despite
    their popularity in some circles.)

    The ASUS computers are very well designed. Unfortunately though, they
    use some awful parts for certain things. On my own device, the
    fingerprint sensor is made by some Chinese company called Shengzhen or >>>> whatever. Officially, the brand is known by Goodix though.
    Unsurprisingly, the sensor is defective and only sometimes decides to
    work. I thought it was a driver issue for a long time but it seems it
    has nothing to do with it; the device just stops working altogether
    after a while. I don't care because fingerprint sensors, in general, are >>>> insecure ways to log into your computer, so I just disabled it entirely. >>>> Their AMD-based laptops also use a wireless chip from MediaTek. I don't >>>> know where they're from, but I'd bet they're Chinese too. When I got the >>>> laptop, within the first two days the wireless would disappear
    completely. I knew that I could get it back by doing a hard reset, but I >>>> can only imagine what novice users were thinking. Whether you used
    Windows or Linux, the thing would just decide to go into a coma and even >>>> when it worked, it would keep the speeds at low and high extreees. It
    seems to have been fixed through drivers after a while but I went ahead >>>> and replaced the chip with an Intel one which works a lot better.

    Unfortunately, that's the reality of PC laptops nowadays: brilliant
    designed crippled by sketchy third-party manufacturers. Apple might not >>>> be great for games, but they test every last part to make sure that it >>>> is entirely reliable before they ship a machine. This Mac's fingerprint >>>> sensor is rock solid and detects my finger on the first try unlike the >>>> sensor on the other which, when it worked, required me to put my finger >>>> on it a few times before it understood who I was. I guess those Chinese >>>> sensors don't like it when their users don't have slanted eyes.

    Sketchy parts and no quality control. Even my wife's expensive Dell XPS 17" >>> had to have its motherboard replaced within a couple months of buying it. >>> Fortunately it came with an in-home warranty.

    I remember having in-home warranty on a second-hand Dell laptop I bought
    in 2007. It was awesome since I had no idea such a thing existed. I
    might get a Dell again just for that. Funny enough, it also needed its
    motherboard replaced but I doubt it was the fault of the hardware as
    much as the fact that I left the laptop in its bag in the trunk of my
    car in freezing temperatures all the time. I think just about any
    hardware would die under those conditions. If Dell's gaming laptops are
    any good, I might go in that direction.

    As you know, I know very little about gaming. But Dell did buy AlienWare
    and (hopefully) they haven't completely gutted their gaming computers.

    Alienware is generally more expensive than everything with similar specifications. I don't know whether this means that the hardware they
    choose is more reliable than the competition though. If it is, I might
    take a look at it. If not, screw 'em.

    --
    @RabidPedagog

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