On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could have removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put your
latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when I narrow
down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to you: I've seen "<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other examples. (I mean
doing something like:
On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
[...]On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*
)
(If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients or extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse quoted
text by default. It's possible such a feature will have issues in corner cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but should work well
enough most of the time? (But I don't use a feature like that myself, hopefully someone else will be able to give you more or better advice on
this topic.))
On 2023-11-14 19:09, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
...
Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could
have removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put
your latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when
I narrow down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to
you: I've seen "<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other
examples. (I mean doing something like:
On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
[...]On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*
)
(If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients
or extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse
quoted text by default. It's possible such a feature will have
issues in corner cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but
should work well enough most of the time? (But I don't use a
feature like that myself, hopefully someone else will be able to
give you more or better advice on this topic.))
I would advise against collapsing quotes by default, unless you find
an IA for doing it. Yes, the quoted part can be overly too large
often, but hiding it all removes the entire context for the answer
and may lead the reader to understand it wrongly. I have seen it
happen.
On 2023-11-15 22:34, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
They are not bad per se. Actually, it is possible to link a web forum
with an nntp server. When I need help with something and the people are
on a forum, I post on the forum, no problem.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-11-15 22:34, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Anyway linking web forums to news servers is actually something I
asked about in news.software.nntp last month. Presumably you mean
where it's part of the forum configuration, but I'm interested in
scraping forums client-side and turning their posts into news
articles in a news spool, which could then be hosted over NNTP or
browsed directly in a news reader. From that discussion I gather
that this hasn't been done before. I'm not decided whether to write
the software for it myself or not. Keeping up with forum software
changes would make it an endless project.
On 2023-11-16 06:52, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-11-15 22:34, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Anyway linking web forums to news servers is actually something I
asked about in news.software.nntp last month. Presumably you mean
where it's part of the forum configuration, but I'm interested in
scraping forums client-side and turning their posts into news
articles in a news spool, which could then be hosted over NNTP or
browsed directly in a news reader. From that discussion I gather
that this hasn't been done before. I'm not decided whether to write
the software for it myself or not. Keeping up with forum software
changes would make it an endless project.
The old openSUSE web forum was linked to a private nntp server (Novell infraestructure). You could read or post on any of the two, and it would
be seen on both. The forum software was vbulletin, if memory serves,
with a custom made bridge to the nntp server (vBulletin USENET gateway,
I see on saved old messages).
Then the forum was migrated to another software (vbulletin is not
gratis), and then to discourse, I think. The gateway could not be
migrated, but we believe it is feasible
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-11-16 06:52, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-11-15 22:34, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Anyway linking web forums to news servers is actually something I
asked about in news.software.nntp last month. Presumably you mean
where it's part of the forum configuration, but I'm interested in
scraping forums client-side and turning their posts into news
articles in a news spool, which could then be hosted over NNTP or
browsed directly in a news reader. From that discussion I gather
that this hasn't been done before. I'm not decided whether to write
the software for it myself or not. Keeping up with forum software
changes would make it an endless project.
The old openSUSE web forum was linked to a private nntp server (Novell infraestructure). You could read or post on any of the two, and it would
be seen on both. The forum software was vbulletin, if memory serves,
with a custom made bridge to the nntp server (vBulletin USENET gateway,
I see on saved old messages).
Then the forum was migrated to another software (vbulletin is not
gratis), and then to discourse, I think. The gateway could not be
migrated, but we believe it is feasible
Yes I believe there are a few forum platforms that have/had support
for a NNTP gateway, including at least one borderline popular free
one.
But I'm not an admin, moderator, or even a frequent contributor, to
any of these forums that I'd like to read via NNTP. Of course I'm
not, I don't like web forums! So there's no way that I'm going to
sway people running a web forum to set up a NNTP gateway for my
sake, even if it might only take a bit of configuration. I'd
probably have a better argument trying to get them to set up a
mailing list interface and then use Gmane to access it via NNTP,
but I'm sure I'd get nowhere with that either.
The only practical way to do it is to not involve the forum
operators at all and just scrape the pages from my end then convert
the forum posts into something a Usenet news reader can view. So
that's the approach I'm interested in at the moment. Posting via a
news reader would be neat too, but I'd be mostly satisfied with a
read-only view.
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