Hi all.

I was reminiscing over it being over twenty years since I started using Linux, on a Intel DX2/66 with 4mb Ram and my Slackware distro. I remember tinkering with Xview, which some Unix users on SunOS will remember as OpenWindows. It was a very light
weight desktop UI and I wondered if anyone out there a, remembered it and b, knew of any source code which existed on the Slackware CD's as I don't have mine any more I wanted to try and get it working on a modern day Linux distro.

having come from a development background I appreciate and recall the old a.out binary executables vs the latter day ELF binaries, how easy it would be to build the source code ?

thanks for reading,

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In comp.os.linux.x, <dan.cave@gmail.com> wrote:

I remember tinkering with Xview, which some Unix users on SunOS will
remember as OpenWindows. It was a very light weight desktop UI and I wondered if anyone out there a, remembered it and b, knew of any
source code which existed on the Slackware CD's as I don't have mine
any more I wanted to try and get it working on a modern day Linux
distro.
[...] how easy it would be to build the source code ?

Not too hard. The SlackBuild script will give a Slackware compatible way
to compile from source:

https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/libraries/xview/

You could also check your distro's package manager. Ubuntu offers olwm
(the XView window manager) as an obviously named package.

Elijah
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doesn't agree with slack build wanting to compile as root

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Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

In comp.os.linux.x, <dan.cave@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Not too hard. The SlackBuild script will give a Slackware compatible way
to compile from source:

https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/libraries/xview/

<snip>

Interesting, I remember seeing a note about XView
not building on 64 bit systems. Curious if that
limitation is now gone.

I gave it a try and yes, only available for 32 bit
Slackware :( I also remember seeing a comment that
indicates the work to port XView to 64 bit systems
is a lot of work.

John

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John McCue <jmccue@jmclin1.bstnma.east.verizon.net> wrote:

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

In comp.os.linux.x, <dan.cave@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Not too hard. The SlackBuild script will give a Slackware compatible way
to compile from source:

https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/libraries/xview/

<snip>

Interesting, I remember seeing a note about XView

<snip>

Forgot to mention, Slackware 14.2 comes with the
actual mwm, I cloned /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.fvwm2 and
/usr/local/bin/startfvwm2 for use by mwm. So you can
at least use a competing environment from those days :)

John

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In comp.os.linux.x, John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, I remember seeing a note about XView
not building on 64 bit systems. Curious if that
limitation is now gone.

Hmmm. Checking, the slackbuild one implies 32bit only, but Ubuntu has a
64bit olwm, so maybe the Debian or Ubuntu source tree and patches might
be worth a looksee.

https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/xview

I don't remember name to version number for debian (and a big FUCK YOU
to them for prefering names to version numbers), so I can't be sure if
that's latest. It was just first in search results.

$ wc debian/patches/debian-changes-3.2p1.4-26
10792 35821 337459 debian/patches/debian-changes-3.2p1.4-26
$

Elijah
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has little interest in using xview himself

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Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:

I have used twm in the last few years, albeit breifly. That's enough >nostalgia for me.

Nostalgia? I use twm every day (and atually at the moment). A nice
thing about Unix and Linux is that one is not forced to follow the
fashions and whims of user interface designers.

- anton
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M. Anton Ertl Some things have to be seen to be believed anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Most things have to be believed to be seen http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html

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In comp.os.linux.x, John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:

Forgot to mention, Slackware 14.2 comes with the
actual mwm, I cloned /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.fvwm2 and /usr/local/bin/startfvwm2 for use by mwm. So you can
at least use a competing environment from those days :)

I still use some tools linked with motif (or lesstif, I'm not going to
check) libraries, like my go-to PDF reader, xpdf. I'm not a bit fan of
those widgets, and don't want to see more of them.

I have used twm in the last few years, albeit breifly. That's enough
nostalgia for me.

Elijah
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oh, yeah, it has an icon box

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In comp.os.linux.x, Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

Nostalgia? I use twm every day (and atually at the moment). A nice
thing about Unix and Linux is that one is not forced to follow the
fashions and whims of user interface designers.

And you are more than welcome to use it. It does not suit me. I want
very very minimal window decoration, "roll-up" to title bar only
functionality, and vitural desktops with a CPU/Network/Mail status
window that appears in all. (I have that now via full width status bar,
but smaller would be okay.)

I've settled (but do not feel wedded to) icewm, using a theme that I
edited to make all the window decorations half-size of original.

Elijah
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most windows are xterms, second place by a large margin is firefox

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On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 11:45:53 UTC, Dan Cave wrote:

Hi all.

I was reminiscing over it being over twenty years since I started using Linux, on a Intel DX2/66 with 4mb Ram and my Slackware distro. I remember tinkering with Xview, which some Unix users on SunOS will remember as OpenWindows. It was a very light

weight desktop UI and I wondered if anyone out there a, remembered it and b, knew of any source code which existed on the Slackware CD's as I don't have mine any more I wanted to try and get it working on a modern day Linux distro.

having come from a development background I appreciate and recall the old a.out binary executables vs the latter day ELF binaries, how easy it would be to build the source code ?

thanks for reading,

Thanks all for replying.. Very interesting to read some of your thoughts and findings about olwm on Debian. I used to use lesstif & mwm as well, I used to work on HPView doing development work and loved using mwm so there's a certain amount of nostalgia..

I hope to find time at the weekend to play with olvwm/olwm on my Raspberry Pi and the Debian distro - I find the need to have a fully blown PC is a bit overkill for the things I use these days.. Chromebook and OSX satisfy my tech itch..

regards
dan

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