bad sector <forgetski@invalid.net> wrote:

On 12/3/23 10:59 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.12.23 um 16:12 schrieb bad sector:

I see this NG is also being attacked by spammers,
I guess google really wants to muzzle it.

Here it is absolutely spamfree.

Your client - albeit so old it already turned to dust - would easily
allow you to filter it. Or use Solani, E-S or individual.net.

Sticking one's head in the sand doesn't impede google,
and no one else is behind all the spam as far as I'm
concerned because no one else wants to destroy usenet
as much as google does. The prime beneficiary has to
be the prime suspect. The same problem on many, many
other NG's and no one is going to convince me that
spammers would be so attracted by a dying platform.

This has been and is being discussed at length in the abuse and News
admin groups.

The concensus is that Google isn't even aware of the problems and
doesn't care about/for their Google Groups to Usenet gateway. So we can
scream and yell all we want, Google isn't listening.

The 'best' Google does is that if someone gets through to them somehow
about abuse in a particular group, they make that group read-only,
killing not only the spam (in only *that* group), but also killing any
legit Google Groups posters in that group. Did I already say that Google doesn't care?

News admins are trying to filter the spam while keeping the legit
posts (from GG users), but it's an endless job.

In the old days, we would issue an UDP (Usenet Death Penalty), but an
UDP doesn't work against some entity which isn't listening and doesn't
care.

--
Frank Slootweg, ex (part time) News admin in some tiny 150K employee company.

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

The 'best' Google does is that if someone gets through to them somehow
about abuse in a particular group, they make that group read-only,
killing not only the spam (in only *that* group), but also killing any
legit Google Groups posters in that group. Did I already say that Google doesn't care?

Hi Frank,

I had posted my query earlier to n.a.p & to n.s.n, where the likes of Marco Moock & Grant Taylor (both of whom you know well), told me the situation.
*Who is peering all these spams ostensibly from Google Groups?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp/c/p4NgdFEMeIU>

As I see it, the problem can only be solved in this order:
1. Google (who is nearly impossible to communicate with)
2. Peers (like highwinds, the assholes that they are)
3. Users

Starting in order...

I have had success with getting Google to fix Maps (but they care about
that product) but since I happen to live relatively near Mountainview,
maybe I can pay them a visit?

Do those groups you speak of have a _contact_ at Google I can try to reach?

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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

As I see it, the problem can only be solved in this order:
1. Google (who is nearly impossible to communicate with)
2. Peers (like highwinds, the assholes that they are)
3. Users

I had a long conversation with the folks on the nntp & peering ngs.
They say Google doesn't care. Nor do the peers like Highwinds & Giganews.
So it may be up to each of us.

But that's crazy.
One person should write the filter (who knows the tool inside & out).
And the rest of the people should just copy it and use it.

Here's a web site trying to do something about it to help users implement
the filter since it's best if one person implements it & the others copy.
<http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html>

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On 2023-12-04 08:57, Wally J wrote:

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

As I see it, the problem can only be solved in this order:
1. Google (who is nearly impossible to communicate with)
2. Peers (like highwinds, the assholes that they are)
3. Users

I had a long conversation with the folks on the nntp & peering ngs.
They say Google doesn't care. Nor do the peers like Highwinds & Giganews.
So it may be up to each of us.

But that's crazy.
One person should write the filter (who knows the tool inside & out).
And the rest of the people should just copy it and use it.

Here's a web site trying to do something about it to help users implement
the filter since it's best if one person implements it & the others copy.
<http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html>

Filtering out all of Google Groups locally is trivial.

Just delete mail or delete subthreads (your choice) when
User-Agent is "G2/1.0".

Filtering only the spam is hard: clients like Thunderbird lack spam
filters on the nntp side. You can do filters to remove spam that matches
some pattern, but not changing patterns.

Servers like News.Individual.NET are filtering out the Google spam (or
most of it), with a small delay, so moving to those servers is other
thing that users can do.


But IMO, the best thing to do would be to disconnect Usenet servers from Google, so that Google can not send nor receive from Usenet. That might
force them to investigate and talk. Might. If they don't, who cares.


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On 2023-12-04 16:45, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-12-04 08:57, Wally J wrote:

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

As I see it, the problem can only be solved in this order:
1. Google (who is nearly impossible to communicate with)
2. Peers (like highwinds, the assholes that they are)
3. Users

I had a long conversation with the folks on the nntp & peering ngs.
They say Google doesn't care. Nor do the peers like Highwinds & Giganews. >>> So it may be up to each of us.

But that's crazy.
One person should write the filter (who knows the tool inside & out).
And the rest of the people should just copy it and use it.

The News admins of the well-managed servers already made tools and are sharing them amongst themselves. The main method used is NoCeM (No See
'Em).

'The NoCeM FAQ'
<http://www.cm.org/faq.html>

Here's a web site trying to do something about it to help users implement >>> the filter since it's best if one person implements it & the others copy. >>> <http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html>

Filtering out all of Google Groups locally is trivial.

Just delete mail or delete subthreads (your choice) when
User-Agent is "G2/1.0".

Exactly. While the News admins are trying to do their bit, we users
can do our bit, by filtering any remaining Google Groups posts and - if wanted - whitelisting the good (GG) guys.

Filtering only the spam is hard: clients like Thunderbird lack spam
filters on the nntp side. You can do filters to remove spam that matches
some pattern, but not changing patterns.

Servers like News.Individual.NET are filtering out the Google spam (or
most of it), with a small delay, so moving to those servers is other
thing that users can do.

AFAIK, News.Individual.NET uses the above mentioned NoCeM method.

I will read about it later, but now I'm going for my siesta.
There is a caveat with Thunderbird:

There is a delay till News.Individual.NET deletes the google spam, and
often some spam is read by Thunderbird and displays. Sometime later, on clicking on some other spam post, Thunderbird says that the post can not
be downloaded because it was expired, and offers to purge all expired
posts in the current group.


Also, this may have an effect on my desktop machine, where News are
downloaded by fetchnews to a local cache, and I have no idea if
deletions upstream will propagate.

But IMO, the best thing to do would be to disconnect Usenet servers from
Google, so that Google can not send nor receive from Usenet. That might
force them to investigate and talk. Might. If they don't, who cares.

Sofar, the consensus amongst the News admins is that they care enough about the legit Google Groups posters to continue filtering the (GG originated) spam from their servers.

I can understand that.


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

The 'best' Google does is that if someone gets through to them somehow about abuse in a particular group, they make that group read-only,
killing not only the spam (in only *that* group), but also killing any legit Google Groups posters in that group. Did I already say that Google doesn't care?

Hi Frank,

I had posted my query earlier to n.a.p & to n.s.n, where the likes of Marco Moock & Grant Taylor (both of whom you know well), told me the situation.
*Who is peering all these spams ostensibly from Google Groups?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp/c/p4NgdFEMeIU>

As I see it, the problem can only be solved in this order:
1. Google (who is nearly impossible to communicate with)
2. Peers (like highwinds, the assholes that they are)
3. Users

Starting in order...

I have had success with getting Google to fix Maps (but they care about
that product) but since I happen to live relatively near Mountainview,
maybe I can pay them a visit?

Do those groups you speak of have a _contact_ at Google I can try to reach?

No. One of the persons in those groups worked for Google, but even he
has given up trying to get Google to respond/act.

See my other response (to Carlos and indirectly to you) for what the
News admins are doing and how.

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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-12-04 08:57, Wally J wrote:

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

As I see it, the problem can only be solved in this order:
1. Google (who is nearly impossible to communicate with)
2. Peers (like highwinds, the assholes that they are)
3. Users

I had a long conversation with the folks on the nntp & peering ngs.
They say Google doesn't care. Nor do the peers like Highwinds & Giganews. So it may be up to each of us.

But that's crazy.
One person should write the filter (who knows the tool inside & out).
And the rest of the people should just copy it and use it.

The News admins of the well-managed servers already made tools and are sharing them amongst themselves. The main method used is NoCeM (No See
'Em).

'The NoCeM FAQ'
<http://www.cm.org/faq.html>

Here's a web site trying to do something about it to help users implement the filter since it's best if one person implements it & the others copy.
<http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html>

Filtering out all of Google Groups locally is trivial.

Just delete mail or delete subthreads (your choice) when
User-Agent is "G2/1.0".

Exactly. While the News admins are trying to do their bit, we users
can do our bit, by filtering any remaining Google Groups posts and - if
wanted - whitelisting the good (GG) guys.

Filtering only the spam is hard: clients like Thunderbird lack spam
filters on the nntp side. You can do filters to remove spam that matches
some pattern, but not changing patterns.

Servers like News.Individual.NET are filtering out the Google spam (or
most of it), with a small delay, so moving to those servers is other
thing that users can do.

AFAIK, News.Individual.NET uses the above mentioned NoCeM method.

But IMO, the best thing to do would be to disconnect Usenet servers from Google, so that Google can not send nor receive from Usenet. That might
force them to investigate and talk. Might. If they don't, who cares.

Sofar, the consensus amongst the News admins is that they care enough
about the legit Google Groups posters to continue filtering the (GG
originated) spam from their servers.

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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-12-04 16:45, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[...]

The News admins of the well-managed servers already made tools and are sharing them amongst themselves. The main method used is NoCeM (No See 'Em).

'The NoCeM FAQ'
<http://www.cm.org/faq.html>

[...]

AFAIK, News.Individual.NET uses the above mentioned NoCeM method.

I will read about it later, but now I'm going for my siesta.
There is a caveat with Thunderbird:

There is a delay till News.Individual.NET deletes the google spam, and
often some spam is read by Thunderbird and displays. Sometime later, on clicking on some other spam post, Thunderbird says that the post can not
be downloaded because it was expired, and offers to purge all expired
posts in the current group.

Also, this may have an effect on my desktop machine, where News are downloaded by fetchnews to a local cache, and I have no idea if
deletions upstream will propagate.

I use tin as my newsreader and Hamster as my local 'cache' and do not
have this problem. But Hamster is a real news-server, so probably
Hamster hides the NIN expiration issue from tin.

I guess you could install WINE and Hamster on top of that! :-)

But seriously: What local cache do you use? Leafnode[2]? slrnpull?
Other?

[...]

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

Do those groups you speak of have a _contact_ at Google I can try to reach?

No. One of the persons in those groups worked for Google, but even he
has given up trying to get Google to respond/act.

Thanks. And yes, I communicated with Grant Taylor who used to work at
Google. I have a few friends also who retired early due to Google. At the moment, everyone I knew well stopped working at Google though. So I only
have their main contact number, and nothing better than a local call.

Grant suggested (and I quote) "If you want to get an individual person to rattle Google's cage, try to get someone like Tavis Ormandy of Google's
Project Zero" so I will give them a call today, but I won't hold my breath.

The only three things I've ever had even a teeny tiny bit of success with Google on a personal level is Rod Speed's murder email, changing Usenet
URIs to the dejagoogle archives and fixing local Google Maps routing.

See my other response (to Carlos and indirectly to you) for what the
News admins are doing and how.

Yeah, I saw that. I see everything you post to this newsgroup, Frank. So
you can assume if you posted it, I'll see it. I like what they're doing.

The spam on the Android newsgroup has made it unusable without filtering.
<https://i.postimg.cc/6pj29c6f/spam01.jpg>

So I appreciate that you opened this thread, and posted good info like
'The NoCeM FAQ' <http://www.cm.org/faq.html>

On the web there is this URL that says it allows you to
"Contact Owners and Managers of Google Usenet"
*Google Usenet* (google-usenet@googlegroups.com)
<https://groups.google.com/g/google-usenet/about>

There is a settings-gear-icon image at top right, which has the option to:
"Send feedback to Google"
1. Tell us what prompted this feedback.
2. A screenshot will help us better understand your feedback.

Here's a screenshot of that which I recommend others do right now.
<https://i.postimg.cc/k462x02X/spam02.jpg>

In addition, there's this generic "starting point" phone number:
<https://about.google/intl/ALL_us/contact-google/>
650-253-0000 (googleplex automated human)
Which only works "Monday to Friday from 8 am to 5 pm PST".
You're saying "It's something else" a few times.
Then you "Continue to hold for the next available Agent" human.

While I was waiting, I went to see if there's a contact on Wikipedia.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups>
Nothing useful there except the DejaNews history we already know.

Still waiting, I looked up "how to contact google for real"
<https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/how-to-contact-google-support> But they only said what I knew e.g., "Google doesn't want to talk to you".

Still waiting... I searched s'more and found other garbage such as this.
<https://groups.google.com/g/google-usenet>
Or this "chat support" link:
<https://support.google.com/chatsupport/?hl=en>
But all it has is a single article on "Add a Google Group to a space".

Still waiting...

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On 2023-12-04 17:25, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-12-04 16:45, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[...]

The News admins of the well-managed servers already made tools and are >>> sharing them amongst themselves. The main method used is NoCeM (No See
'Em).

'The NoCeM FAQ'
<http://www.cm.org/faq.html>

[...]

AFAIK, News.Individual.NET uses the above mentioned NoCeM method.

I will read about it later, but now I'm going for my siesta.
There is a caveat with Thunderbird:

There is a delay till News.Individual.NET deletes the google spam, and
often some spam is read by Thunderbird and displays. Sometime later, on
clicking on some other spam post, Thunderbird says that the post can not
be downloaded because it was expired, and offers to purge all expired
posts in the current group.


Also, this may have an effect on my desktop machine, where News are
downloaded by fetchnews to a local cache, and I have no idea if
deletions upstream will propagate.

I use tin as my newsreader and Hamster as my local 'cache' and do not
have this problem. But Hamster is a real news-server, so probably
Hamster hides the NIN expiration issue from tin.

I guess you could install WINE and Hamster on top of that! :-)

But seriously: What local cache do you use? Leafnode[2]? slrnpull?
Other?

Leafnode, the development version.


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

[...]

See my other response (to Carlos and indirectly to you) for what the
News admins are doing and how.

Yeah, I saw that. I see everything you post to this newsgroup, Frank. So
you can assume if you posted it, I'll see it. I like what they're doing.

The spam on the Android newsgroup has made it unusable without filtering.
<https://i.postimg.cc/6pj29c6f/spam01.jpg>

Huh? Doesn't paganini.bofh.team do any filtering yet!? I use News.Individual.Net and get no (GG) spam in this group. (I do filter on
users with @gmail.com addresses (to filter other spam), but not filter
on postings from GG.)

So I appreciate that you opened this thread, and posted good info like
'The NoCeM FAQ' <http://www.cm.org/faq.html>

[...]

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

The spam on the Android newsgroup has made it unusable without filtering.
<https://i.postimg.cc/6pj29c6f/spam01.jpg>

Huh? Doesn't paganini.bofh.team do any filtering yet!? I use News.Individual.Net and get no (GG) spam in this group. (I do filter on
users with @gmail.com addresses (to filter other spam), but not filter
on postings from GG.)

Hi Frank,
(btw... I'm _still_ waiting for Google to pick up - it's been 92 minutes!)

While I appreciate your post, you have to realize I care about everyone.
Not just me. So spam on the newsgroup is spam on the newsgroup. Period.

It's one of the reasons I act _differently_ than most people who post to
this newsgroup, Frank - because I'm posting trying to help EVERYONE.

Whether or not I filter it out or whether or not my incoming news server filters it out - it's still gonna affect someone on this newsgroup.

And this amount of spam is just impossible to fathom.
<http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android> engine.
BTW, that has nothing to do with any nntp news server. It's all Google. :)

However... to your question about the bofh server's filtering...

The natural assumption you realistically assumed was that I use the same
server to post as what I use to read my news, which is a reasonable
assumption on your part - but which I never do - for privacy reasons.

That is, if I post using Paganini, I never read using Paganini.
It's a basic privacy thing of not returning to the scene of the crime. :)

There are actually good reasons for that basic use model of using different nntp servers for different tasks (all related to privacy) just as I use a different web browser for every task too; but suffice to respond to your
query that I have no idea if Ivo Gandolfo <usenet@bofh.team> filters
out the Google Groups Usenet spam - as I never read nntp using his server.

Nothing I do is by accident.

If I post using a news server, then they know a _lot_ about me from my
posts, but if I _also_ read using that same news server, they know more.

If I just read from a variety of news servers, then they only know what I
read but not what I post (where you will read far more than you post).

I can't fault you for having assumed I do what everyone else blindly does.
My nature is to do what makes sense - not what is the easiest thing to do.
--
Note: That's what irks me so much about people who leave their Android
phone set up at the defaults. They're like sheep blindly led to slaughter.

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On 2023-12-04 20:16, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

[...]

See my other response (to Carlos and indirectly to you) for what the
News admins are doing and how.

Yeah, I saw that. I see everything you post to this newsgroup, Frank. So
you can assume if you posted it, I'll see it. I like what they're doing.

The spam on the Android newsgroup has made it unusable without filtering.
<https://i.postimg.cc/6pj29c6f/spam01.jpg>

Huh? Doesn't paganini.bofh.team do any filtering yet!? I use News.Individual.Net and get no (GG) spam in this group. (I do filter on
users with @gmail.com addresses (to filter other spam), but not filter
on postings from GG.)

LOL.

Arlen will not use News.Individual.Net. He would have to pay on
internet, he would be identified, oh the horror! :-D

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

He would have to pay on internet, he would be identified, oh the horror!

Hi Carlos,

It seems you need some heart-felt basic advice...

First of all, privacy isn't something an intelligent person makes fun of. Secondly, if you're an adult, your arguments should be somewhat consistent.

For example, these are your own words just today to Jeorg about RCS:
"We don't pay for receiving anything.
Not even phone calls (except on roaming)."

Please be consistent next time.
If you're going to make fun of me for doing what you're doing, then at
least put a signature in that says you're appling rules only to others.

Not to yourself.
--
The problem with Usenet, as opposed to working in the Silicon Valley, is everyone in teh Silicon Valley is extremely smart and very well educated.

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On 2023-12-05 06:47, Wally J wrote:

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

He would have to pay on internet, he would be identified, oh the horror!

Hi Carlos,

It seems you need some heart-felt basic advice...

First of all, privacy isn't something an intelligent person makes fun of. Secondly, if you're an adult, your arguments should be somewhat consistent.

For example, these are your own words just today to Jeorg about RCS:
"We don't pay for receiving anything.
Not even phone calls (except on roaming)."

Please be consistent next time.
If you're going to make fun of me for doing what you're doing, then at
least put a signature in that says you're appling rules only to others.

Not to yourself.

It is your way of privacy, not most people way of privacy.
I'm consistent.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

It is your way of privacy, not most people way of privacy.
I'm consistent.

Please don't try to make fun of me simply because I'm intelligent, Carlos.

I'm sorry for saying you were inconsistent because I had assumed you linked creating an account (which is the loss of privacy) to paying for Usenet
(which is harder to do without creating an account & using a credit card).

It has always been the case, since the dawn of time, that the dumber
someone is, the easier it is to sell them something they can get for free.

Conversely, particularly with Internet services, the smarter someone is,
the easier it is for them to get things for free that others pay for.

For example, my Internet is free at my home - because I get it from miles
away on a tower that broadcasts free Internet as a service to the people.

But that means I have to be intelligent about setting up my Wi-Fi radios.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YqTk0q1T/ap.jpg> Cellular repeater & home Wi-Fi APs

Surprisingly, there are people out there who can't figure out how to set up
a radio to pick up the Internet from another radio that is five miles away.
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLKQtQ/wifi.jpg> Typical range is about 10 miles

Heck, there are people who can't even set up a bridge so that they can pick
up a router's access point hundreds of yards across the stables in a barn.
<https://i.postimg.cc/6QJqK6Cj/desktop02.jpg> Desktop MikroTik WISP radios

Not only do I get my Internet for free (from more than five miles away),
but I get my 5G Samsung Galaxy Android phone for free also (well, I had to
pay the 10% sales tax on the MSRP & I had to buy a case & sd card for it).

My point is that intelligent people don't pay for what they can get for
free, and you can rest assured this Internet post doesn't cost me money.

It costs you.
But not me.

Please don't try to make fun of me simply because I'm intelligent, Carlos.
--
The more ignorant people are, the easier it is to sell them things.

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On 2023-12-05 20:30, Wally J wrote:

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

It is your way of privacy, not most people way of privacy.
I'm consistent.

Please don't try to make fun of me simply because I'm intelligent, Carlos.

You are not the only intelligent people here, Arlen. No matter how many
times you insist that other people are dumb. We aren't, we just make
different choices than you.

And I said nothing about your intelligence (this time at least).

...

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-12-04 20:16, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

[...]

See my other response (to Carlos and indirectly to you) for what the >>> News admins are doing and how.

Yeah, I saw that. I see everything you post to this newsgroup, Frank. So >> you can assume if you posted it, I'll see it. I like what they're doing. >>
The spam on the Android newsgroup has made it unusable without filtering. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/6pj29c6f/spam01.jpg>

Huh? Doesn't paganini.bofh.team do any filtering yet!? I use News.Individual.Net and get no (GG) spam in this group. (I do filter on users with @gmail.com addresses (to filter other spam), but not filter
on postings from GG.)

LOL.

Arlen will not use News.Individual.Net. He would have to pay on
internet, he would be identified, oh the horror! :-D

Not only that, he would have to pay some 800 Euros per year to
accomodate all his nyms.

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

Not only that, he would have to pay some 800 Euros per year to
accomodate all his nyms.

If it takes you more than ten seconds to figure out my posts, Frank, then you're not even close to as smart as I have given you credit for being.

BTW, I treat you as you treat me.
--
Usenet is water under the bridge. Act civilly to me & I'll repay in kind.

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"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

No matter how many
times you insist that other people are dumb. We aren't, we just make different choices than you.

All I ask of you, Carlos, is to stop trying to insult me.

It's not the choices people make that show their IQ.
It's how they logically reason given the salient facts.

Take the example of the typical iKook, Carlos.
a. They claim lower total cost of ownership, for example,
simply Apple will buy back a recent model iPhone, if,
they use that buyback "credit" to buy another iPhone.
b. Yet they ignore he huge costs they incur buying what
most Android owners don't even need to purchase.
c. And they limit the comparison to only expensive Androids
(where, let's be clear, my free Android phone can do far
more app functionality than any iPhone ever sold).

What shows their low IQ, Carlos, isn't their choices, Carlos.
It's the fact that they can't form a sensibly logical choice.

Worse, when confronted with the pertinent logical facts, Carlos.
They make endless excuses for their lack of comprehensive skills.

Like you do, Carlos.

All I ask of you, Carlos, is to stop trying to insult me.
--
I will treat you as you treat me - I'm a mirror of your posts.

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On 2023-12-06 20:46, Wally J wrote:

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

No matter how many
times you insist that other people are dumb. We aren't, we just make
different choices than you.

All I ask of you, Carlos, is to stop trying to insult me.

I am not insulting you.

Ignoring the rest of your post.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On 2023-12-06 16:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-12-04 20:16, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

[...]

See my other response (to Carlos and indirectly to you) for what the >>>>> News admins are doing and how.

Yeah, I saw that. I see everything you post to this newsgroup, Frank. So >>>> you can assume if you posted it, I'll see it. I like what they're doing. >>>>
The spam on the Android newsgroup has made it unusable without filtering. >>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/6pj29c6f/spam01.jpg>

Huh? Doesn't paganini.bofh.team do any filtering yet!? I use
News.Individual.Net and get no (GG) spam in this group. (I do filter on
users with @gmail.com addresses (to filter other spam), but not filter
on postings from GG.)

LOL.

Arlen will not use News.Individual.Net. He would have to pay on
internet, he would be identified, oh the horror! :-D

Not only that, he would have to pay some 800 Euros per year to
accomodate all his nyms.

:-)

Actually, news.individual.net doesn't care what name you present in the
from field, he can change it as often as he likes, with a single
account. But that account would be identified, and we could complain to
the administrator about his name shifting. Or the administrator might
notice on this own and block the behaviour.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

All I ask of you, Carlos, is to stop trying to insult me.

I am not insulting you.

Look Carlos, all you do is subtract value from every thread you post to.
Just like Joerg does. And Alan Baker.

You've _never_ added on-topic technical value to any thread in your life.
You can't.

All you can do, Carlos, is insult people.
You have no other capacity.

The amount of technical value I add in a single tutorial is more than you
can add if you add up every single post you've ever made here, Carlos.

That's how much of a piece of shit you are, Carlos.
Just like Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz, Carlos.

Devoid of value.

However...

Usenet is water under the bridge to me.
If you act civilly toward me (& others), then I'll act civilly with you.

If you post a question to this newsgroup, Carlos, I'll try to help you.
Just don't act like a piece of shit when that happens.

I always treat you the way you treat me.
--
You learn the true meaning of worthless people when you are on Usenet.

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