• Re: Recommended cycling/walking app

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Mar 26 16:49:16 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Chris wrote:

    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Is iOS' Health and Fitness apps not good enough?

    Nope. They don't record cycling/walking information on their own. They
    need an app.

    Although they do suggest apps and Komoot looked interesting. Requires an account, however.

    Hi Chris,

    I agree with any sensible person who doesn't want to be forced to create an account to log their activities - and - especially to log their activities.

    In the days when iPads had huge screens and batteries that lasted forever,
    I had tested _every_ free mapping tracking viewing routing app available on
    iOS a few years ago (and wrote reviews on them at the time), none of which would I load on my iPads if they required any account to any mothership.

    That's wrong to require a mothership tracking account for (almost) any app.

    However, once Android batteries started lasting forever and the screens
    became huge at the same time, I stopped using the iPad for any tracking.

    But I opened each of the apps I used to use on my iPad just now (where the
    iPad has been updated to iOS 16.3.1) and two of the three still work.
    Topo Reader (which I had liked best - has been "terminated by iOS"
    Topo Maps (still works) <by Pierre-Olivier Latour>
    Topo Maps+ (still works) <https://topomaps.co/>

    I order all my apps in order of usefulness, so it's odd that the one map
    app that was good on iOS was unilaterally "terminated by iOS", but it was.

    Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?
    I have not. This is a first. It's expected with Apple. But still the first.

    In summary, you might wish to try one of those two topo maps apps instead.
    (For some reason, they don't have "Help about" buttons to find their URL.)

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Mar 26 16:31:37 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan Browne wrote:

    Already noted - thx. I use Trails - which has disappeared from the App
    Store (AFAICT).

    I looked at my Maps folder for Ant and it seems "Topo Reader" was
    unilaterally "terminated" by iOS on my iPad, whatever that message means.

    Apple has a way of making sure only apps in the walled garden remain.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Sun Mar 26 13:32:05 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tvpphe$3vs6f$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    In the days when iPads had huge screens

    in what days were those?

    ipad screen sizes have *increased* over the years.


    However, once Android batteries started lasting forever and the screens became huge at the same time, I stopped using the iPad for any tracking.

    google's entire business model is tracking, so if tracking is what you
    want, google is the way to go.

    google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
    *that* good.

    always choose the best tool for the job.

    Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?

    sure have.

    I have not. This is a first. It's expected with Apple. But still the first.

    you don't even know what it means, by your own admission, so how do you
    know that it's expected or why it happened? you don't.

    what *is* expected is that you invent another conspiracy theory, and
    you've fulfilled that expectation.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 26 19:15:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    In article <tvpphe$3vs6f$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    In the days when iPads had huge screens

    in what days were those?

    Your memory is that of a gnat, nospam, as I published a bunch of tutorials
    on using the iPad for hiking purposes because of the screen & battery life.

    ipad screen sizes have *increased* over the years.

    The point you whooshed on, and which I said so it just means you're stupid, nospam, seriously... that's not even an ad hominem attack - it's a fact,
    which is that Android phablets got larger and the batteries last forever nowadays (I don't even charge overnight anymore - and haven't in a while).

    Only on an iPhone are people stuck tethered to an outlet every night.

    However, once Android batteries started lasting forever and the screens
    became huge at the same time, I stopped using the iPad for any tracking.

    google's entire business model is tracking, so if tracking is what you
    want, google is the way to go.

    You're so indoctrinated by Apple's marketing bullshit that you believe it.

    You forget *Apple's business model _requires_ you to be tracked* in almost everything that you do, nospam, and no amount of your lies changes that.

    HINT: Android phones work fine (even better) without a Google Account...

    google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
    *that* good.

    You always claim Google made Apple do all the bad things Apple does.
    Why?

    You can turn off the location tracking, nospam. Well, you can't.
    You're on iOS.

    The iPhone won't work for most people without Apple tracking built in.

    HINT: You don't need a Google account to download apps on Android
    while Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app on iOS!

    always choose the best tool for the job.

    At this point in time, the iPad isn't the best tool for _any_ job, unfortunately, now that it can't even do basic hiking like it used to
    (where I'm talking about the best iOS hiking app being "terminated").

    If you can think of anything the iPad can do that my Android phone doesn't already do (probably years ago even), please let me know as the only thing
    I use the iPad for nowadays is (a) google voice, and (b) test your bullshit (and you always fail).

    HINT: Look at Jolly Roger's bullshit about 1Blocker I recently tested. <https://i.postimg.cc/660z6Sb0/mothership24.jpg> Works only in Safari
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k4PwDddj/mothership25.jpg> Firewall doesn't work
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qxf6mPpt/mothership26.jpg> 1Blocker is crippleware

    Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?

    sure have.

    What does it even mean to be "terminated by iOS" nospam?

    I have not. This is a first. It's expected with Apple. But still the first.

    you don't even know what it means, by your own admission, so how do you
    know that it's expected or why it happened? you don't.

    I am nothing like you low-self-esteem iKooks. You pretend to know
    everything because you were told your entire life you're stupid, nospam.
    <https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

    I'm not afraid to admit I've never seen that message before.
    What does it mean for an app to be "terminated by iOS", nospam?

    what *is* expected is that you invent another conspiracy theory, and
    you've fulfilled that expectation.

    What does it mean for an iPad app to be "terminated by iOS", nospam?
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    which, in this case, is to faithfully ask a simple question of nospam.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Sun Mar 26 15:17:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tvq23k$pel$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
    <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    In the days when iPads had huge screens

    in what days were those?

    Your memory is that of a gnat, nospam, as I published a bunch of tutorials
    on using the iPad for hiking purposes because of the screen & battery life.

    your avoiding answering the question is noted.

    ipad screen sizes have *increased* over the years.

    The point you whooshed on, and which I said so it just means you're stupid, nospam, seriously... that's not even an ad hominem attack - it's a fact, which is that Android phablets got larger and the batteries last forever nowadays (I don't even charge overnight anymore - and haven't in a while).

    it is an ad hominem attack. it's all you can do.

    the fact is that ipad screen sizes have increased.

    Only on an iPhone are people stuck tethered to an outlet every night.

    diversion noted, and your claim is also false.

    You forget *Apple's business model _requires_ you to be tracked* in almost everything that you do, nospam, and no amount of your lies changes that.

    false.

    HINT: Android phones work fine (even better) without a Google Account...

    no they don't, because doing that removes a *significant* amount of functionality.

    google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
    *that* good.

    You always claim Google made Apple do all the bad things Apple does.
    Why?

    nobody claimed that, and it wasn't true the last zillion times you said
    it either.

    You can turn off the location tracking, nospam. Well, you can't.
    You're on iOS.

    false.

    unlike on android, turning off location on ios actually turns it off.

    The iPhone won't work for most people without Apple tracking built in.

    apple doesn't track people.

    but even if we are to assume your statement as true, android won't work
    'for most people' without a google account.

    HINT: You don't need a Google account to download apps on Android
    while Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app on iOS!

    they do not, as has been explained to you many times.

    always choose the best tool for the job.

    At this point in time, the iPad isn't the best tool for _any_ job,

    false.

    unfortunately, now that it can't even do basic hiking like it used to
    (where I'm talking about the best iOS hiking app being "terminated").

    false.

    If you can think of anything the iPad can do that my Android phone doesn't already do (probably years ago even), please let me know as the only thing
    I use the iPad for nowadays is (a) google voice, and (b) test your bullshit (and you always fail).

    yawn. how many times are you going to embarrass yourself?

    universal control, sidecar, stage manager, hover, fald display and a
    wealth of ipad-native software.

    unlike on ipad, android tablet apps are almost always phone apps on a
    big screen, and it shows (not in a good way).

    cue trademark rant, further proof you're lost.

    HINT: Look at Jolly Roger's bullshit about 1Blocker I recently tested.

    you don't know how it works so any tests you might have done are void.

    Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?

    sure have.

    What does it even mean to be "terminated by iOS" nospam?

    memory pressure.

    I'm not afraid to admit I've never seen that message before.

    you're also not afraid to fabricate a baseless conspiracy theory as to
    why it happens, without knowing any of the details.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Sun Mar 26 18:09:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tvqd9u$1uhe$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    You pop it on the charger when it needs it, and an hour or two later, it's fully charged again. It's that easy with Android.

    it's also that easy for just about every modern consumer electronic
    device with rechargeable batteries, and often quite a bit less than 'an
    hour or two later'.

    if your android phone takes that long to charge, then the manufacturer
    must not have included the 'proper charger' in the box. or it's just a
    shitty phone.

    Only with iOS are you stuck tethered to a charging cable every night.

    false.

    iphones are among the phones with the longest run time per charge.

    except for this one: <https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/articles/07JAqObUYuTuodolINwV5Op/ hero-image.fill.size_1248x702.v1623384781.jpg>

    <https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/articles/07JAqObUYuTuodolINwV5Op/ images-2.fill.size_2000x1125.v1611700889.jpg>

    <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/xqX8ju5wAD9iHvbiUUYN4W-1200-80.jpg>


    Again, you know nothing about Android, nospam.
    You don't even use Android devices, nospam.
    You don't even own a modern iOS device for heaven's sake.

    you got three out of three wrong.

    good work!


    If you think the free 1Blocker is _not_ crippleware, nospam, then again,
    it's not an ad hominem attack to say that you're incredibly stupid.

    FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

    it has a free tier with paid options, just like countless other apps on
    all platforms.

    it's also not the only option for content blocking.

    your fixation with one single app, which you do not even understand how
    it works, demonstrates ignorance.

    One difference between you and me, nospam, is I lie & you prove what you say.

    ftfy

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 26 22:26:36 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    Your memory is that of a gnat, nospam, as I published a bunch of tutorials >> on using the iPad for hiking purposes because of the screen & battery life.

    your avoiding answering the question is noted.

    How many times must I repeat that I used the iPad for hiking because of the bigger screen and better battery life, both of which are almost completely negated by the phenomenal battery life of Androids & their big'ish screens.

    With those laughably puny cheap iPhone batteries, you have no idea how wonderful it is on most Android phones (which don't have the ridiculously
    cheap batteries that Apple put in the iPhone) to never need to charge your phone overnight ever again, nospam.

    You pop it on the charger when it needs it, and an hour or two later, it's fully charged again. It's that easy with Android.

    Only with iOS are you stuck tethered to a charging cable every night.

    You forget *Apple's business model _requires_ you to be tracked* in almost >> everything that you do, nospam, and no amount of your lies changes that.

    false.

    No other operating system, not even Windows 11 it turns out, requires a mothership tracking account just to use the software in a normal fashion.

    Only iOS.


    HINT: Android phones work fine (even better) without a Google Account...

    no they don't, because doing that removes a *significant* amount of functionality.

    Stop saying stupid things like that nospam. It makes you sound ignorant.
    You know absolutely nothing about Android, nospam.

    You know even less about Android than you do about iOS.
    And that's not all that much given how wrong you are about iOS.

    Despite you hating all facts about Apple, the fact remains a fact that
    _only_ Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app you install.

    Google doesn't.
    Google can't.

    Only Apple does.

    google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
    *that* good.

    You always claim Google made Apple do all the bad things Apple does.
    Why?

    nobody claimed that, and it wasn't true the last zillion times you said
    it either.

    You only have seven excuses for why Apple does all the bad things it does.

    Every time Apple does something bad the first knee jerk reaction from you
    is that Google made them do it. You say this all the time, nospam.

    The only thing that changes is you say Samaung made Apple do all the bad
    things when you can find something Apple did that Samsung copied.

    Same with Microsoft.
    It's one of your seven excuses that Apple has no free will, nospam.

    You can turn off the location tracking, nospam. Well, you can't.
    You're on iOS.

    false.

    unlike on android, turning off location on ios actually turns it off.

    Again, you know nothing about Android, nospam.
    You don't even use Android devices, nospam.
    You don't even own a modern iOS device for heaven's sake.

    Why should you when you can just make everything up that you claim.

    The iPhone won't work for most people without Apple tracking built in.

    apple doesn't track people.

    Then you tell us all why Apple inserts your unique ID into every app,
    nospam. And you tell us why Apple _forces_ you to log into their mothership tracking servers, nospam.

    No other common consumer operating system does that, nospam.
    Not even Windows 11. (see sig for reference)

    but even if we are to assume your statement as true, android won't work
    'for most people' without a google account.

    Why do you say stupid things, nospam?
    You don't even own Android.
    You have absolutely zero idea how it works.

    I get it that your modus operandi is to lie like there is no tomorrow.
    But stop it.

    Every time you say stupid things like that it proves your ignorance.


    HINT: You don't need a Google account to download apps on Android
    while Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app on iOS!

    they do not, as has been explained to you many times.

    You can lie all you want about the unique ID that only Apple inserts into
    your apps, nospam, but your lies don't change the fact that Apple does it.

    *No other operating system adds a unique to you ID to your apps*

    HINT: Look at Jolly Roger's bullshit about 1Blocker I recently tested.

    you don't know how it works so any tests you might have done are void.

    If you think the free 1Blocker is _not_ crippleware, nospam, then again,
    it's not an ad hominem attack to say that you're incredibly stupid.

    FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

    <https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces verification
    <https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into mothership trackers
    <https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
    <https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
    <https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
    <https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
    <https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage garden fails
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime garden fails
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store finds 1Blocker
    <https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
    <https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BbX80XwR/mothership12.jpg> 1Blocker Ad Blocker IPA
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Dy4Wp4GX/mothership13.jpg> Get 1Blocker Ad Blocker
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Dy4Wp4GX/mothership13.jpg> Open 1Blocker Ad Blocker
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6pd8tsY6/mothership14.jpg> Open 1Blocker Ad Blocker
    <https://i.postimg.cc/1RjnKr8S/mothership15.jpg> Welcome & Get Started
    <https://i.postimg.cc/W39DCMSM/mothership16.jpg> Enable Safari extensions
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wjJmMRTp/mothership17.jpg> Go to Safari Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/tRSPMHmL/mothership18.jpg> Safari 1Blocker setup
    <https://i.postimg.cc/W3SrjRpq/mothership19.jpg> Enabled Safari extensions
    <https://i.postimg.cc/9F1WpW87/mothership20.jpg> Note 1Blocker Scripts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/vHT7YmVY/mothership21.jpg> Enable 1Blocker Scripts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/FzsyJrCx/mothership22.jpg> 1Blocker Script setup
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pXcZzjH5/mothership23.jpg> Explore Premium Features
    <https://i.postimg.cc/660z6Sb0/mothership24.jpg> Works only in Safari
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k4PwDddj/mothership25.jpg> Firewall doesn't work
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qxf6mPpt/mothership26.jpg> 1Blocker is crippleware

    One difference between you and me, nospam, is you lie & I prove what I say.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Sun Mar 26 19:53:54 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tvqk4d$2l7l$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

    the ah rating has nothing to do with cheapness.

    also, comparing ah rating between completely different hardware is
    meaningless.

    They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

    false.

    the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
    (weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.

    the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.

    now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.




    Notice I turn into a child whenever confronted with facts.
    If I left this newsgroup, the group would be civil without me.

    ftfy

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 26 23:47:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-26, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvqd9u$1uhe$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
    <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    If you think the free 1Blocker is _not_ crippleware, nospam, then
    again, it's not an ad hominem attack to say that you're incredibly
    stupid.

    FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

    it has a free tier with paid options, just like countless other apps
    on all platforms.

    it's also not the only option for content blocking.

    your fixation with one single app, which you do not even understand
    how it works, demonstrates ignorance.

    He's only fixated on it because I happened to recommend it (among others
    like AdGuard) for blocking ads in Safari, which it does for FREE without
    any in-app purchases. : )

    Arlen desperately wants to paint it as "crippleware" simply because it
    has additional features (such as whole-device ad blocking) that can be
    enabled with an in-app purchase. And as you say, countless apps on the
    App Store have free functionality with optional in-app purchases for
    additional functionality. And like all of those other apps, any adult
    can plainly see that 1Blocker's basic ad blocking functionality is
    indeed completely FREE. Same with AdGuard and numerous other iOS ad
    blockers. Arlen desperately wants us to ignore these FACTS, because he
    is driven by his FEELINGS of irrational hate. He's a loser.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 27 00:23:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    You pop it on the charger when it needs it, and an hour or two later, it's >> fully charged again. It's that easy with Android.

    it's also that easy for just about every modern consumer electronic
    device with rechargeable batteries, and often quite a bit less than 'an
    hour or two later'.

    What you don't understand is Apple put cheap batteries into the iPhone.
    They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

    Only with iOS are you stuck tethered to a charging cable every night.

    false.

    Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change
    that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

    They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

    iphones are among the phones with the longest run time per charge.

    Based on physics, iPhones will die _years_ sooner than Androids simply
    because you lose a given percentage of initial capacity over time.

    That you are ignorant of that fact proves how little you know, nospam.

    FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

    it has a free tier with paid options, just like countless other apps on
    all platforms.

    For you to claim the free 1Blocker app isn't crippleware is preposterous.
    It doesn't do anything but a single filter & even then, only in Safari.

    The free 1Blocker is nothing but crippleware no matter what you claim.

    it's also not the only option for content blocking.

    Free functionality of iOS _always_ is vastly inferior to Android, nospam.
    The free 1Blocker is nothing but crippleware no matter what you claim.

    your fixation with one single app, which you do not even understand how
    it works, demonstrates ignorance.

    Compare _any_ free iOS app functionality to that of this free app, nospam:
    <https://netguard.me/>

    FACT:
    *The free functionality on iOS pales in comparison to that of Android*

    One difference between you and me, nospam, is I lie & you prove what you say.

    ftfy

    Notice you always turn into a child whenever confronted with facts, nospam.
    If you iKooks left this newsgroup, the group would be civil without you.
    --
    Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
    which, in this case, is to faithfully try to respond to nospam's lies.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 06:42:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    He's only fixated on it because I happened to recommend it (among others
    like AdGuard) for blocking ads in Safari, which it does for FREE without
    any in-app purchases. : )

    You forget, Jolly Roger, that I own & use _both_ iOS & Android platforms.
    You do not.

    In fact, you iKooks are completely ignorant of what's outside the confines
    of the walled garden that you feel so fantastically safe locked inside of.

    It's almost always the case free software is crippled on iOS vs Android.
    What you call "fixated", Jolly Roger, is I faithfully _tested_ 1Blocker.

    FACT:
    *In its free form, 1Blocker is worthless crippleware*, Jolly Roger.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qxf6mPpt/mothership26.jpg> 1Blocker is crippleware

    Compare, for example, that crippleware with the free equivalent on Android.
    <https://netguard.me/>
    There is _nothing_ on iOS doing even half of what that FOSS NetGuard does.
    <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/M66B/NetGuard/master/screenshots/01-main.png>

    He desperately wants to paint it as "crippleware" simply because it
    has additional features (such as whole-device ad blocking) that can be enabled with an in-app purchase.

    Jolly Roger,
    Do you understand what the _free_ Netguard does for Android users?
    (*Or are you completely _ignorant_ of everything you speak about*)?

    Read what the free FOSS NetGuard does, for an example of functionality:
    <https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases>

    And as you say, countless apps on the
    App Store have free functionality with optional in-app purchases for additional functionality. And like all of those other apps, any adult
    can plainly see that 1Blocker's basic ad blocking functionality is
    indeed completely FREE. Same with AdGuard and numerous other iOS ad
    blockers. He desperately wants us to ignore these FACTS, because he
    is driven by his FEELINGS of irrational hate. He's a loser.

    If you think the free 1Blocker is great functionality, Jolly Roger,
    then that just proves that you are too ignorant to evaluate software.

    Compare the free 1Blocker lack of functionality, Jolly Roger, for example,
    to the free FOSS NetGuard functionality that Android owners easily enjoy.
    <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/M66B/NetGuard/master/screenshots/01-main.png>
    <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/M66B/NetGuard/master/screenshots/02-main-details.png>
    <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/M66B/NetGuard/master/screenshots/03-main-access.png>
    <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/M66B/NetGuard/master/screenshots/08-notifications.png>

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 27 06:28:50 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change
    that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

    the ah rating has nothing to do with cheapness.

    There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

    That you're ignorant of that, even as we covered this topic in gory detail
    on this very newsgroup, is typical of you iKooks who will remain ignorant.

    also, comparing ah rating between completely different hardware is meaningless.

    Cycles nospam. Battery charge/recharge cycles, nospam.

    That you're completely ignorant of battery charge/discharge cycles is
    typical for you iKooks, who only know what Apple marketing feeds you.

    They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

    false.

    That you are ignorant of physics, is typical for you iKooks, nospam.

    the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
    (weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.

    the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.

    now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

    My _free_ Android phone has a better battery than any battery ever put into
    any iPhone ever built, nospam - and that you can't comprehend that is
    typical for you iKooks (mine is 5 amp hours - and that's not even large).

    Notice I turn into a child whenever confronted with facts.
    If I left this newsgroup, the group would be civil without me.

    ftfy

    You do that because you're unable to respond to facts as an adult, nospam.

    The facts are incontrovertible that Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone which, over time, will fail far sooner than the larger better batteries.

    Do you really think Apple "cared" about you when they put those laughably
    puny batteries in the expensive iPhones, nospam? Seriously. Think for once.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Mon Mar 27 07:00:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tvr9i3$9dql$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:


    Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change >> that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

    the ah rating has nothing to do with cheapness.

    There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

    no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.


    That you're completely ignorant of battery charge/discharge cycles is
    typical for you iKooks, who only know what Apple marketing feeds you.

    battery technology is the same for most modern devices (lithium ion or
    lithium polymer), which means the cycle counts will be the same (aside
    from individual variances).

    further, cycle count is unrelated to ah rating.

    you're very ignorant about a lot of things.


    the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids' (weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.

    the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.

    now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

    My _free_ Android phone

    unless you stole it (something which cannot be ruled out), it wasn't
    free.

    has a better battery than any battery ever put into
    any iPhone ever built,

    you're delusional.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 09:50:59 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

    no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.


    He's right. We discussed this. With many details. You forget easily.

    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
    cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
    and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

    Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net on Mon Mar 27 11:51:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tvs6vk$3887t$1@dont-email.me>, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:


    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

    that is absolutely false.

    Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

    do that yourself and try to understand what those references actually
    say, versus what you want them to say.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 27 09:06:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-26 08:31, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Alan Browne wrote:

    Already noted - thx.  I use Trails - which has disappeared from the
    App Store (AFAICT).

    I looked at my Maps folder for Ant and it seems "Topo Reader" was unilaterally "terminated" by iOS on my iPad, whatever that message means.

    Apple has a way of making sure only apps in the walled garden remain.

    <https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/topo-reader/id940309979>

    "Requires iPadOS 14.0 or later"

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 16:30:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to
    lower cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then
    Apple got hungry and kept it cheap for battery components in the
    later iPhones after that.

    that is absolutely false.

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's
    true.

    The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
    claim.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 16:29:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone
    batteries.

    no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.

    He's right.

    Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
    evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone else
    will just assume you're full of shit.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 12:17:54 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower >> cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry >> and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

    that is absolutely false.

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.


    Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

    do that yourself and try to understand what those references actually
    say, versus what you want them to say.

    You never reads the news of what Apple does given that Apple putting cheap boards and components starting with the iPhone 12 is very well documented.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 27 16:25:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-27, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    He's only fixated on it because I happened to recommend it (among
    others like AdGuard) for blocking ads in Safari, which it does for
    FREE without any in-app purchases. : )

    You forget, Jolly Roger, that I own & use _both_ iOS & Android
    platforms. You do not.

    You don't know what I own, and Android is irrelevant in the Apple
    newsgroups anyway, trollboi.

    iOS vs Android.

    Android is irrelevant here, trollboi.

    equivalent on Android.

    Android is irrelevant here, trollboi.

    He desperately wants to paint it as "crippleware" simply because it
    has additional features (such as whole-device ad blocking) that can
    be enabled with an in-app purchase.

    for Android users

    Android is irrelevant here, trollboi.

    And as you say, countless apps on the App Store have free
    functionality with optional in-app purchases for additional
    functionality. And like all of those other apps, any adult can
    plainly see that 1Blocker's basic ad blocking functionality is indeed
    completely FREE. Same with AdGuard and numerous other iOS ad
    blockers. He desperately wants us to ignore these FACTS, because he
    is driven by his FEELINGS of irrational hate. He's a loser.

    you are too ignorant to evaluate software

    Petty insults are all you have, trollboi.

    Android owners

    Android is irrelevant here, trollboi.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 15:51:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's
    true.

    The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false) claim.

    I wanted to first prove how ignorant you are of all the news everyone else knows because everyone but you reads the news about what Apple does.

    Even better, I wanted to show you deny everything that you don't like.
    You don't even *think* for a second before you deny what everyone knows.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 19:22:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false) claim.

    Since the claim IS false, it will be funny (again) when The Trolls link to
    an opinion piece that agrees with THEIR opinion on the matter, and thus
    claim “Here this link proves my claim!â€

    As always, it is to laugh.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 12:21:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 09:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-03-27, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to
    lower cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then
    Apple got hungry and kept it cheap for battery components in the
    later iPhones after that.

    that is absolutely false.

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's
    true.

    The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false) claim.


    Hitchen's Razor.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 15:53:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
    evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone else
    will just assume you're full of shit.

    You deny it.
    Only because you don't like it.

    It's the kind of person you are which almost nobody normal is.
    Just you.

    Most people *think* before they deny what everyone else knows.
    But not you.

    Everyone but you knows about Apple putting cheap battery components in the iPhone 12, and you deny it without even *thinking* about it for a second.

    What's wrong with you?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 12:21:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 09:17, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower >>> cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry >>> and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that. >>
    that is absolutely false.

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

    Sorry, but it is the responsibility of those making the claim to support it.

    So whatcha got?



    Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that. >>
    do that yourself and try to understand what those references actually
    say, versus what you want them to say.

    You never reads the news of what Apple does given that Apple putting cheap boards and components starting with the iPhone 12 is very well documented.

    And yet...

    ..you haven't provided ANY documentation.

    Weird, huh?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Campbell on Mon Mar 27 15:53:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <CQ6dndr1b6OYcLz5nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:

    Since the claim IS false, it will be funny (again) when The Trolls link to
    an opinion piece that agrees with THEIR opinion on the matter, and thus
    claim ³Here this link proves my claim!²

    As always, it is to laugh.

    it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
    what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 21:05:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Android is irrelevant here, trollboi.

    What's interesting is you are so _desperate_ to make facts go away you
    can't even come up with a logically sensible argument against the facts.

    For example... if Android is irrelevant on this newsgroup, Jolly Roger...
    Why did you post this thread, Jolly Roger, if "Android is irrelevant"?
    *EIGHTEEN new zero-day vulnerabilities found in Samsung Exynos chipsets*
    By Jolly Roger, Mar 23, 2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/RwGiXy243dk>

    Back to the facts...

    Fact is, *1Blocker freeware is horrible unusable crappy crippleware*.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/k4PwDddj/mothership25.jpg> Firewall doesn't work
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qxf6mPpt/mothership26.jpg> 1Blocker is crippleware

    If you cant' see that, it's because you're not a normal person, JR.
    *You're an iKook who thinks even worthless crippleware is great*.

    It's no longer shocking that iKooks are ignorant about all iOS products.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 13:16:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 12:51, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's
    true.

    The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
    claim.

    I wanted to first prove how ignorant you are of all the news everyone else knows because everyone but you reads the news about what Apple does.

    Even better, I wanted to show you deny everything that you don't like.
    You don't even *think* for a second before you deny what everyone knows.

    And STILL you don't provide a shred of this "news" you claim exists.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 27 20:33:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-27, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Android is irrelevant here, trollboi.

    What's interesting is you are so _desperate_ to make facts go away

    The FACT is the OP asked for an *iOS* cycle/walking app, and you're here blabbing about how Android is supposedly superior.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 13:17:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 12:53, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
    evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone else
    will just assume you're full of shit.

    You deny it.
    Only because you don't like it.

    It's the kind of person you are which almost nobody normal is.
    Just you.

    Most people *think* before they deny what everyone else knows.
    But not you.

    Everyone but you knows about Apple putting cheap battery components in the iPhone 12, and you deny it without even *thinking* about it for a second.

    What's wrong with you?

    Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 27 20:34:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-27 12:51, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's
    true.

    The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously
    false) claim.

    I wanted to first prove how ignorant you are of all the news everyone
    else knows because everyone but you reads the news about what Apple
    does.

    Even better, I wanted to show you deny everything that you don't
    like. You don't even *think* for a second before you deny what
    everyone knows.

    And STILL you don't provide a shred of this "news" you claim exists.

    That's because it doesn't exist.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 27 20:36:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-27 12:53, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
    evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone
    else will just assume you're full of shit.

    You deny it.

    Nil claimed it without evidence.

    Only because you don't like it.

    Only because of Nil's irrational hatred of Apple.

    What's wrong with you?

    Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

    Don't hold your breath.

    Also, note how Nil keeps adding comp.sys.mac.advocacy to the Newsgroups
    header. Trolls gonna troll. ; )

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
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    JR

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 17:01:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
    what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

    You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.

    And yet, everyone knows it was well documented that Apple cheaped out on
    the iPhone 12 batteries (both the boards and the other components).

    Everyone but you.

    I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
    without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 17:03:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad:

    And STILL you don't provide a shred of this "news" you claim exists.

    That's because it doesn't exist.

    Oh, it exists. It was well documented. Even on this newsgroup it was.
    It was big news when it came out and Apple couldn't deny it.
    Because it's true.

    You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.

    I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
    without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

    You are not a normal person because nobody normal would do that.
    Just you.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 27 17:04:02 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 15:21, Alan wrote:
    Hitchen's Razor

    a nice complement to:
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
    -Carl Sagan. (and others before him).

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.â€
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 22:14:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    The FACT is the OP asked for an *iOS* cycle/walking app, and you're here blabbing about how Android is supposedly superior.

    And yet, I provided _multiple_ solutions for the OP, with screenshots.

    Besides, I'm not the one who brought up the iOS 1Blocker crippleware.

    You did.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Mar 27 17:10:55 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad:

    Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

    Don't hold your breath.

    I wanted you to prove you deny whatever you don't like about Apple.
    You don't even bother to *think* for a second about it.
    You just deny it.

    Nobody normal does that.
    Just you.

    Everyone knows it's well documented Apple cheaped out on the battery tech
    for the iPhone 12 as it was widely documented in the news at the time.

    But you don't read the news.
    Even now, you can't be bothered to look it up.

    You're much more comfortable denying everything you don't like about Apple. Aren't you?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 14:44:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 14:01, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
    what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

    You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.

    And yet, everyone knows it was well documented that Apple cheaped out on
    the iPhone 12 batteries (both the boards and the other components).

    Everyone but you.

    I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
    without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

    A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
    all that verbiage.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 17:18:49 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

    You were provided the links.

    You didn't read them.
    Why not?

    I know why.
    You just want to deny everything about Apple that you don't like.

    Things like cheap iPhone 12 battery components that Apple doesn't deny.]
    Just you deny it.

    Nobody else.
    Just you.

    You don't even *think* about what it is that you are denying.
    If you knew anything about Apple, you couldn't deny it.

    Especially since it's so well documented, only an idiot would deny it.
    That idiot is you.

    Everyone knows, except you, Apple cheaped out on the iPhone 12 batteries.
    Look it up yourself before denying it again and again and again.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 14:43:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 14:18, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

    You were provided the links.

    You're lying.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 17:26:05 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
    already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.

    It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more ignorant than Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the four of them left
    this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of other Usenet newsgroups.

    Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...

    <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
    <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
    <https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery> <https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/> <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
    <https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

    Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.
    They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

    Even Apple doesn't deny it.
    Just the iKooks.

    If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 17:51:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
    all that verbiage.

    I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

    You're not a normal person in that it was provided to you so many times already, and you deny it was provided because your brain can't read it.

    You didn't read the documentation then, why would you read it now?

    You will deny everything about Apple just because you don't like it.
    It wouldn't even occur to your tiny Neanderthal brain to look it up.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
    <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
    <https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery> <https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/> <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
    <https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

    Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.
    Jolly Roger. nospam. Alan Baker. Alan Browne.

    They all denied what they were informed of many times already.
    They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

    Even Apple doesn't deny it.
    Just the iKooks.

    If the 4 iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 14:56:02 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 14:54, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    You were provided the links.

    You're lying.

    I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

    And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
    referenced one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 17:54:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    You were provided the links.

    You're lying.

    I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

    You will deny everything about Apple just because you don't like it.
    It wouldn't even occur to your tiny Neanderthal brain to look it up.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
    <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
    <https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery> <https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/> <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
    <https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

    Notice the iKooks all denied everything without even *thinking* about it.
    Jolly Roger. nospam. Alan Baker. Alan Browne.

    They all denied what they were informed of many times already.
    They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

    Even Apple doesn't deny it.
    Just the iKooks.

    If the 4 iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 14:55:26 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 14:51, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
    all that verbiage.

    I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

    And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
    reference one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 14:54:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 14:26, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
    already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.

    It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more ignorant than Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the four of them left this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of other Usenet newsgroups.

    Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...

    <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>

    References a report by one analyst.

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

    References the same primary source.

    <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>

    Same source

    <https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>

    Same...

    <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>

    Same...

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>

    Same...

    <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>

    Same...

    <https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>

    Same...

    <https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

    And still the same.

    So what you really have is ONE report by ONE analyst...

    ...who is far from all-knowing.


    Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.

    Notice that you tried make one piece of evidence look like nine.

    They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

    Even Apple doesn't deny it.
    Just the iKooks.

    If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

    Notice also that Arlen has added a new posting nym.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 27 23:13:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-27 14:51, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better
    than all that verbiage.

    I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about
    Apple.

    And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
    reference one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

    Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
    Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
    reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
    cell components into a smaller area".

    --
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    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 27 23:12:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tvs6vk$3887t$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
    <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:


    Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower >> cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry >> and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

    that is absolutely false.

    He's basing it on a *rumor* by an analyst who stated that he believes
    Apple "will reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and
    squeeze active cell components", which doesn't mean the board layers are inferior in construction, nor that the batteries would necessarily have
    reduced performance or capacity:

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

    He used the words "Apple cheaped out" in order to suggest Apple's
    putting out crap batteries, which is not what the rumor claims, and more importantly has no actual evidence to back it up.

    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 27 23:20:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-27 14:26, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
    already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows
    this.

    It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more
    ignorant than Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the
    four of them left this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of
    other Usenet newsgroups.

    Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...

    So what you really have is ONE report by ONE analyst...

    ...who is far from all-knowing.

    It's a rumor. The rumor didn't state Apple would use inferior batteries
    - just a reduction in rigid-flex battery board layers to squeeze active
    cell components into a smaller area. And there's no actual evidence of
    what the rumor did claim.

    If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other
    groups.

    Notice also that Arlen has added a new posting nym.

    He's been using this one for a while, but yes.

    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 23:21:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

    You were provided the links.

    Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
    proof of something actually happening, child.

    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 23:17:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-27, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad:

    And STILL you don't provide a shred of this "news" you claim exists.

    That's because it doesn't exist.

    Oh, it exists.

    Nope. All you found was a rumor from an analyst that claimed he believed
    Apple would "reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and
    squeeze active cell components into a smaller area". Nothing in this
    rumor claimed Apple would use inferior batteries, and the rumor hasn't
    been actually verified to be true.

    It was well documented.

    Nope.

    It was big news when it came out

    Rumors aren't news.

    Apple couldn't deny it.

    Apple doesn't affirm or deny rumors.

    Because it's true.

    Nope, it's a baseless rumor.

    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 27 23:22:17 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-27, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    The FACT is the OP asked for an *iOS* cycle/walking app, and you're
    here blabbing about how Android is supposedly superior.

    And yet, I trolled about Android in response.

    Yep.

    --
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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 20:04:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
    proof of something actually happening, child.


    I waited to provide the references because I wanted everyone to know that
    you are ignorant of everything about Apple (you don't ever read the news).

    Even Apple couldn't dispute it because if they could, they would.
    And they didn't. Because they can't.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 17:13:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 17:04, Nil wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
    proof of something actually happening, child.


    I waited to provide the references because I wanted everyone to know that
    you are ignorant of everything about Apple (you don't ever read the news).

    Even Apple couldn't dispute it because if they could, they would.
    And they didn't. Because they can't.

    Or they just didn't feel the need.

    iPhone battery LIFE is completely competitive with other companies'
    offerings.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 17:12:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 17:04, Nil wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
    Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
    reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
    cell components into a smaller area".

    I waited to provide the references to show how ignorant you iKooks are.
    All you ignorant iKooks disputed it without even KNOWING about it.

    I knew about that.

    I also knew it was without any evidence to back it up.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Tue Mar 28 02:43:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-28, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
    Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
    reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze
    active cell components into a smaller area".

    I waited to provide the references

    The references are to a rumor with no credible evidence that the rumor
    was true.

    Your trolls are weak, old man.

    Apple couldn't dispute it

    Apple doesn't confirm or deny rumors - it is simply indifferent to them.

    --
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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 00:56:18 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Or they just didn't feel the need.

    What matters is I waited to give you many chances to prove you knew
    "something" (anything!) when you flatly denied everything Apple does.

    You didn't.
    You denied everything (without thinking!) because you didn't like it.

    It's always the case you ignorant iKooks don't even read the news.
    The sooner you leave this newsgroup, the better for everyone else.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 00:51:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    I knew about that.

    You did not and that is why I waited because I wanted to show that you
    ignorant iKooks not only don't know anything about what Apple does, but you will deny on sight anything that Apple does that you simply do not like.

    Like you did here. And like you always do.

    The instant you ignorant iKooks leave this group, it will be normal again.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 22:26:19 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 21:51, Nil wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    I knew about that.

    You did not and that is why I waited because I wanted to show that you ignorant iKooks not only don't know anything about what Apple does, but you will deny on sight anything that Apple does that you simply do not like.

    I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

    And you haven't shown anything that proves Apple DID anything in particular.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Mon Mar 27 22:25:33 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-27 21:56, Nil wrote:
    On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Or they just didn't feel the need.

    What matters is I waited to give you many chances to prove you knew "something" (anything!) when you flatly denied everything Apple does.

    I haven't denied anything...

    ...because you haven't yet show that Apple DID anything.


    You didn't.
    You denied everything (without thinking!) because you didn't like it.

    It's always the case you ignorant iKooks don't even read the news.
    The sooner you leave this newsgroup, the better for everyone else.

    The sooner you produce actual evidence that Apple has used batteries
    that are actually somehow inferior...

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 13:13:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

    You had too many chances to mention if you knew it and you never did.
    You repeatedly, over & over, denied it ONLY because you didn't like it.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 15:55:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Show a single example of me denying it.

    Show a single example of you knowing about it before I told you about it. You're a liar that you "knew about it" which is what you're covering up.
    I gave you way too many chances to say you knew about it - and you didn't.
    You lied all along.
    You don't know what everyone else knew, but you.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Tue Mar 28 19:56:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-28, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

    You had too many chances to mention if you knew it

    Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Tue Mar 28 12:22:02 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-28 10:13, Nil wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

    You had too many chances to mention if you knew it and you never did.
    You repeatedly, over & over, denied it ONLY because you didn't like it.

    Really?

    Show a single example of me denying it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Tue Mar 28 14:58:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-28 12:55, Nil wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Show a single example of me denying it.

    Show a single example of you knowing about it before I told you about it.

    Sorry, but that's not at issue, Arlen.

    You made an explicit claim that I had denied something.

    Now put up or shut up.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nil on Wed Mar 29 00:00:58 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-28, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

    What I cared about was a baseless rumor

    Yep.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 19:53:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

    What I cared about was showing you denied everything you didn't like
    about Apple without you ever having known a single thing about Apple.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Nil on Tue Mar 28 17:21:48 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-03-28 16:53, Nil wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

    Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

    What I cared about was showing you denied everything you didn't like
    about Apple without you ever having known a single thing about Apple.

    Like you deny your own name, Arlen...

    ...or whoever is actually behind all the nyms.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Apr 13 01:53:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

    no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.

    I used to think you lie when you brazenly deny what even Apple doesn't.
    But you're just ignorant of everything Apple does with the iPhone, nospam.

    References on the small _and_ cheap batteries in the iPhone 12 (since apologists are desperate to refute all facts about Apple they don't like). *Apple put cheap batteries and boards into the iPhone 12 for profit*
    <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
    <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
    <https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
    <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
    <https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
    <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
    <https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
    <https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

    Calling out your ignorance isn't even an ad hominem attack, nospam.

    That you're completely ignorant of battery charge/discharge cycles is
    typical for you iKooks, who only know what Apple marketing feeds you.

    battery technology is the same for most modern devices (lithium ion or lithium polymer), which means the cycle counts will be the same (aside
    from individual variances).

    further, cycle count is unrelated to ah rating.
    you're very ignorant about a lot of things.

    It's no longer shocking that you know nothing about battery technology.
    Even Apple says their batteries will die sooner because of the low capacity.

    It's no longer shocking you deny even what Apple doesn't deny, nospam.


    the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
    (weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.

    the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.

    now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

    My _free_ Android phone

    unless you stole it (something which cannot be ruled out), it wasn't
    free.

    Your ignorance is no longer shocking, especially as we have entire
    threads on this topic where it was almost _completely_ free nospam.

    All I had to pay was the tax on the MSRP and nothing else cost anything.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android

    Not only that, but they _increased_ the high speed data limits
    from 5GB/month to unlimited, and that included the 5G data too.

    has a better battery than any battery ever put into
    any iPhone ever built,

    you're delusional.

    Do you even know why Apple put those cheap batteries in iPhones, nospam?
    HINT: Nobody puts _smaller_ batteries in their flagship lines than Apple.

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