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    From D. Ray@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 07:18:35 2024
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    A former Google employee now says he was barred from promotion due to his
    race. The employee, Shaun Maguire, initially blew the whistle in 2023 but
    made a public statement on X, formerly Twitter, following public backlash
    to anti-White bias allegations in the company’s new “Gemini” AI.





    <https://nationaltimes.news/google-employee-barred-from-promotion-for-being-a-white-man/>

    <https://archive.ph/ffOCW>

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  • From D@21:1/5 to D. Ray on Tue Feb 27 11:21:37 2024
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    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, D. Ray wrote:

    A former Google employee now says he was barred from promotion due to his race. The employee, Shaun Maguire, initially blew the whistle in 2023 but made a public statement on X, formerly Twitter, following public backlash
    to anti-White bias allegations in the company’s new “Gemini” AI.





    <https://nationaltimes.news/google-employee-barred-from-promotion-for-being-a-white-man/>

    <https://archive.ph/ffOCW>

    I would assume there is no iron clad proof of this. On the other hand, as
    I tell people I know who experienced the same due to gender or
    nationality, you don't want to remain at that company anyway so
    paradoxically you should be happy it happened so you can move on to a
    company that is more aligned with your values and interests.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Anton Shepelev on Tue Feb 27 15:05:11 2024
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    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    D:

    I would assume there is no iron clad proof of this. On the
    other hand, as I tell people I know who experienced the
    same due to gender or nationality, you don't want to
    remain at that company anyway so paradoxically you should
    be happy it happened so you can move on to a company that
    is more aligned with your values and interests.

    That's selfish. The existance of such companies is harmful
    to the entire humanity, not only to persons with differing
    values.

    No, it's rational. Companies are private property and therefore the owner
    may do with them what they wish. The market will sort out companies who
    reject competent employees in time, and companies who accept competent employees regardless of color will thrive.

    The entity that makes this a problem is the government.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Julieta Shem on Tue Feb 27 19:26:59 2024
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    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> writes:

    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    D:

    I would assume there is no iron clad proof of this. On the
    other hand, as I tell people I know who experienced the
    same due to gender or nationality, you don't want to
    remain at that company anyway so paradoxically you should
    be happy it happened so you can move on to a company that
    is more aligned with your values and interests.

    That's selfish. The existance of such companies is harmful
    to the entire humanity, not only to persons with differing
    values.

    No, it's rational. Companies are private property and therefore the
    owner may do with them what they wish. The market will sort out
    companies who reject competent employees in time, and companies who
    accept competent employees regardless of color will thrive.

    The entity that makes this a problem is the government.

    But isn't government put together by companies?


    No it's politicians. What differentiates government and companies is that government govern countries and are back with violence. What defines a
    company is that it acts on markets and have customers who can voluntarily choose to do business or not with the company.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Julieta Shem on Wed Feb 28 09:24:11 2024
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    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> writes:

    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> writes:

    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    D:

    I would assume there is no iron clad proof of this. On the
    other hand, as I tell people I know who experienced the
    same due to gender or nationality, you don't want to
    remain at that company anyway so paradoxically you should
    be happy it happened so you can move on to a company that
    is more aligned with your values and interests.

    That's selfish. The existance of such companies is harmful
    to the entire humanity, not only to persons with differing
    values.

    No, it's rational. Companies are private property and therefore the
    owner may do with them what they wish. The market will sort out
    companies who reject competent employees in time, and companies who
    accept competent employees regardless of color will thrive.

    The entity that makes this a problem is the government.

    But isn't government put together by companies?


    No it's politicians. What differentiates government and companies is
    that government govern countries and are back with violence. What
    defines a company is that it acts on markets and have customers who
    can voluntarily choose to do business or not with the company.

    Together, companies make up a huge amount of money and other kinds of
    power. They finance the campaigns and effectively attract politicians
    who will (un)naturally be docile to their desires. Hasn't times changed
    from monarchies to a new form of government that is simply an oligarchy?

    Perhaps you can choose your leader, but that's irrelevant.

    Real discussions don't even come up. We have a population that's
    totally vulnerable to propaganda, which is what companies are
    specialized in.


    Yet you are here pointing this out which disproves what you're saying. If
    you and I can realize this, so can others. Not affirming this feels a bit elitist to me.

    But... you are certainly right in what you are saying, but to a big extent
    this is due to government interfering in the markets, awarding companies enormous contracts and protecting them. So you have a downward spiral.

    Remove the government and the rest will follow.

    Now, one last thing. I admit that I am arguing for a "utopian state" and I admit that we are today _not_ living in this utopian state. The question
    of _how_ to get from today, to a world without governments, and with only individuals and companies is a different, but very interesting question.

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