• Looking for a GIMP Expert in South Alabama

    From genealogypr@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 12 07:41:35 2018
    Hello,

    I hope you don't mind me posting here. I'm looking for someone in South Alabama who would be able to give a very basic introduction/demo to GIMP for photo restoration.

    Members of the Baldwin County Genealogical Society would like to learn more about repairing and enhancing digitized photos. We meet at 10am on the 2nd Saturday each month at the Foley Public Library. The presentations are usually 45 minutes to an hour
    long, so absolutely not time for anything but a rudimentary introduction to 3 or 4 tools.

    This could be a live demonstration or PowerPoint with videos. Most of our members are older, so patience and simplicity is key!

    We cannot charge admission, however the speaker would be welcome to include information on his/her fees for photo restoration services.

    I have speakers booked through January 2019, but I would love to get someone lined up for February or later.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Auriette
    GenealogyPR (at) gmail.com

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  • From Jimmy Alpha GeD@21:1/5 to genealogypr@gmail.com on Mon Aug 13 09:05:56 2018
    This group is next to dead but between now and February you can learn
    gimp with the help of youtube to do what you'll need by going one task
    at a time.
    Start here, she goes slow and makes it easy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRo0VpOBdzg
    Gimp much like GRAMPS is only easy after you've taken the time to learn.
    Jimmy


    On 8/12/2018 10:41 AM, genealogypr@gmail.com wrote:
    Hello,

    I hope you don't mind me posting here. I'm looking for someone in South Alabama who would be able to give a very basic introduction/demo to GIMP for photo restoration.

    Members of the Baldwin County Genealogical Society would like to learn more about repairing and enhancing digitized photos. We meet at 10am on the 2nd Saturday each month at the Foley Public Library. The presentations are usually 45 minutes to an hour
    long, so absolutely not time for anything but a rudimentary introduction to 3 or 4 tools.

    This could be a live demonstration or PowerPoint with videos. Most of our members are older, so patience and simplicity is key!

    We cannot charge admission, however the speaker would be welcome to include information on his/her fees for photo restoration services.

    I have speakers booked through January 2019, but I would love to get someone lined up for February or later.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Auriette
    GenealogyPR (at) gmail.com


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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to genealogypr@gmail.com on Tue Aug 14 09:31:52 2018
    genealogypr@gmail.com wrote:
    Hello,

    I hope you don't mind me posting here. I'm looking for someone in South Alabama who would be able to give a very basic introduction/demo to GIMP for photo restoration.

    Members of the Baldwin County Genealogical Society would like to learn more about repairing and enhancing digitized photos. We meet at 10am on the 2nd Saturday each month at the Foley Public Library. The presentations are usually 45 minutes to an hour
    long, so absolutely not time for anything but a rudimentary introduction to 3 or 4 tools.

    This could be a live demonstration or PowerPoint with videos. Most of our members are older, so patience and simplicity is key!

    it is best done with the people doing things themselves
    as in a workshop. lectures rarely go well for tutorials
    as everyone learns at a different pace.

    i'm not local to Alabama, but consider running it as an
    afternoon workshop instead.


    songbird

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  • From Jimmy Alpha GeD@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Aug 14 15:48:47 2018
    On 8/14/2018 9:31 AM, songbird wrote:
    genealogypr@gmail.com wrote:
    Hello,

    I hope you don't mind me posting here. I'm looking for someone in South Alabama who would be able to give a very basic introduction/demo to GIMP for photo restoration.

    Members of the Baldwin County Genealogical Society would like to learn more about repairing and enhancing digitized photos. We meet at 10am on the 2nd Saturday each month at the Foley Public Library. The presentations are usually 45 minutes to an hour
    long, so absolutely not time for anything but a rudimentary introduction to 3 or 4 tools.

    This could be a live demonstration or PowerPoint with videos. Most of our members are older, so patience and simplicity is key!

    it is best done with the people doing things themselves
    as in a workshop. lectures rarely go well for tutorials
    as everyone learns at a different pace.

    i'm not local to Alabama, but consider running it as an
    afternoon workshop instead.


    songbird

    I agree, all it would take is one person to spend a few hours working
    with GIMP and youtube and they could do what she is asking, but sitting
    as the best instructor spent hours going through how to repair old scans without hands on will be of little help. Youtube is their best bet.
    Patience is the key to GIMP, not simplicity. Never over write the
    original and you can't go wrong no matter how bad your efforts.

    First learn to change the color scan to gray scale for B&W's under
    "IMAGE" "GRAY SCALE" and then how to adjust the levels under "COLOR"
    "LEVELS" for either color or B&W"s and that is the basic start. Under
    levels I mostly use the right eye dropper picker on what I know is white
    and the left eye dropper on what I know is black, end of story for most
    color balanced be it B&W or color! That can be learned by anyone.
    Removing fold lines, mold, water damage and rips take a lot longer and
    everyone who does it is still learning.
    Jimmy A

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to Jimmy Alpha on Wed Aug 15 11:31:30 2018
    Jimmy Alpha wrote:

    Never over write the original and you can't go wrong no matter how bad your efforts.

    that's the most important rule!
    Never work on the original, always use a copy of the original.
    And to avoid future problems; rename the copies you are working on.
    original name --> original name + copy (holiday-1.jpg -->
    holiday-1-copy.jpg). To rename every picture this way is very easy to
    do in Irfanview ( $N-copy as new name) Or whatever name you want to
    use.


    First learn to change the color scan to gray scale for B&W's under

    snipped ( to difficult for a user who sees Gimp for the first time )

    You need a lot of time; some luck when you try something new; watch
    you tube uploads to look how other people do things and just try it to replicate it on your own work. It is a lot of trial and error; you
    need to learn to fine tune your brushes; a tablet is a must.

    Removing fold lines, mold, water damage and rips take a lot longer and >everyone who does it is still learning.

    yep. And after a few years frustration you can finally give every
    pixel it own color. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
    Using Gimp this way is not something a starting Gimp user could do in
    a week; it takes months to master things and you need to practice,
    practice and before I forget : practice!

    The original request for patience and simplicity is ehhh ....
    not so simple. Don't start with Gimp if you want simplicity.

    After using Gimp for years I know maybe 5% of what is possible with
    Gimp; I learned to do thing complete different as I started with Gimp.
    It's called trial and error and you need persons who like to do this 'restauration work' and try things out.

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  • From Jimmy Alpha GeD@21:1/5 to lisa on Wed Aug 15 12:28:32 2018
    On 8/15/2018 5:31 AM, lisa wrote:
    Jimmy Alpha wrote:

    Never over write the original and you can't go wrong no matter how bad your efforts.

    that's the most important rule!
    Never work on the original, always use a copy of the original.
    And to avoid future problems; rename the copies you are working on.
    original name --> original name + copy (holiday-1.jpg --> holiday-1-copy.jpg). To rename every picture this way is very easy to
    do in Irfanview ( $N-copy as new name) Or whatever name you want to
    use.


    First learn to change the color scan to gray scale for B&W's under

    snipped ( to difficult for a user who sees Gimp for the first time )

    If they have a working copy of GIMP with a photo loaded it takes 5
    seconds to check how the black and white picture was scanned and change
    to grey scale if needed. If the older person can't hear the DVD being
    played it doesn't matter that the last person could. Learning the basic
    setting is a must as CTRL Z to undo is also a must.

    You need a lot of time; some luck when you try something new; watch
    you tube uploads to look how other people do things and just try it to replicate it on your own work. It is a lot of trial and error; you
    need to learn to fine tune your brushes; a tablet is a must.

    Removing fold lines, mold, water damage and rips take a lot longer and
    everyone who does it is still learning.

    yep. And after a few years frustration you can finally give every
    pixel it own color. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
    Using Gimp this way is not something a starting Gimp user could do in
    a week; it takes months to master things and you need to practice,
    practice and before I forget : practice!

    If genealogypr@gmail.com has a facebook page they might have a friend
    that could help in video chat or messenger?

    The original request for patience and simplicity is ehhh ....
    not so simple. Don't start with Gimp if you want simplicity.

    I'm 75 and I have more money than time, if my lawnmower needs repair I
    don't take a free course at the local jr college to learn how to repair,
    I pay someone, and for most older people wanting photos repaired I'd say
    pay someone to do it and enjoy what time they have left at Ancestry.com.

    Also have any of the 17 gimp users here tried facebook "Photo
    Restoration Free Service"? This looks great for anyone with only a few
    old photos, 4 per day...
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/134089711030/
    Jimmy A

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  • From dave61430@21:1/5 to Jimmy Alpha GeD on Thu Aug 16 12:56:07 2018
    On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:28:32 -0400, Jimmy Alpha GeD wrote:

    On 8/15/2018 5:31 AM, lisa wrote:
    Jimmy Alpha wrote:

    Never over write the original and you can't go wrong no matter how bad
    your efforts.

    that's the most important rule!
    Never work on the original, always use a copy of the original.
    And to avoid future problems; rename the copies you are working on.
    original name --> original name + copy (holiday-1.jpg -->
    holiday-1-copy.jpg). To rename every picture this way is very easy to
    do in Irfanview ( $N-copy as new name) Or whatever name you want to
    use.


    First learn to change the color scan to gray scale for B&W's under

    snipped ( to difficult for a user who sees Gimp for the first time )

    If they have a working copy of GIMP with a photo loaded it takes 5
    seconds to check how the black and white picture was scanned and change
    to grey scale if needed. If the older person can't hear the DVD being
    played it doesn't matter that the last person could. Learning the basic setting is a must as CTRL Z to undo is also a must.

    You need a lot of time; some luck when you try something new; watch you
    tube uploads to look how other people do things and just try it to
    replicate it on your own work. It is a lot of trial and error; you need
    to learn to fine tune your brushes; a tablet is a must.

    Removing fold lines, mold, water damage and rips take a lot longer and
    everyone who does it is still learning.

    yep. And after a few years frustration you can finally give every pixel
    it own color. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
    Using Gimp this way is not something a starting Gimp user could do in a
    week; it takes months to master things and you need to practice,
    practice and before I forget : practice!

    If genealogypr@gmail.com has a facebook page they might have a friend
    that could help in video chat or messenger?

    The original request for patience and simplicity is ehhh ....
    not so simple. Don't start with Gimp if you want simplicity.

    I'm 75 and I have more money than time, if my lawnmower needs repair I
    don't take a free course at the local jr college to learn how to repair,
    I pay someone, and for most older people wanting photos repaired I'd say
    pay someone to do it and enjoy what time they have left at Ancestry.com.

    Also have any of the 17 gimp users here tried facebook "Photo
    Restoration Free Service"? This looks great for anyone with only a few
    old photos, 4 per day...
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/134089711030/
    Jimmy A

    I'm 88 and am in the process of retouching some old black and white
    scanned family photos. P.S. I don't have lots of money, just enough.
    Gimp does take a bit of learning, but like other full featured software,
    you don't have to know it all to get started, and in the case of gimp
    there are filters and techniques one may never use.

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  • From o ella@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 16 11:11:15 2018
    On 8/16/2018 8:56 AM, dave61430 wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:28:32 -0400, Jimmy Alpha GeD wrote:

    On 8/15/2018 5:31 AM, lisa wrote:
    Jimmy Alpha wrote:

    Never over write the original and you can't go wrong no matter how bad >>>> your efforts.

    that's the most important rule!
    Never work on the original, always use a copy of the original.
    And to avoid future problems; rename the copies you are working on.
    original name --> original name + copy (holiday-1.jpg -->
    holiday-1-copy.jpg). To rename every picture this way is very easy to
    do in Irfanview ( $N-copy as new name) Or whatever name you want to
    use.


    First learn to change the color scan to gray scale for B&W's under

    snipped ( to difficult for a user who sees Gimp for the first time )

    If they have a working copy of GIMP with a photo loaded it takes 5
    seconds to check how the black and white picture was scanned and change
    to grey scale if needed. If the older person can't hear the DVD being
    played it doesn't matter that the last person could. Learning the basic
    setting is a must as CTRL Z to undo is also a must.

    You need a lot of time; some luck when you try something new; watch you
    tube uploads to look how other people do things and just try it to
    replicate it on your own work. It is a lot of trial and error; you need
    to learn to fine tune your brushes; a tablet is a must.
    >
    Removing fold lines, mold, water damage and rips take a lot longer and >>>> everyone who does it is still learning.

    yep. And after a few years frustration you can finally give every pixel
    it own color. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
    Using Gimp this way is not something a starting Gimp user could do in a
    week; it takes months to master things and you need to practice,
    practice and before I forget : practice!

    If genealogypr@gmail.com has a facebook page they might have a friend
    that could help in video chat or messenger?

    The original request for patience and simplicity is ehhh ....
    not so simple. Don't start with Gimp if you want simplicity.

    I'm 75 and I have more money than time, if my lawnmower needs repair I
    don't take a free course at the local jr college to learn how to repair,
    I pay someone, and for most older people wanting photos repaired I'd say
    pay someone to do it and enjoy what time they have left at Ancestry.com.

    Also have any of the 17 gimp users here tried facebook "Photo
    Restoration Free Service"? This looks great for anyone with only a few
    old photos, 4 per day...
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/134089711030/
    Jimmy A

    I'm 88 and am in the process of retouching some old black and white
    scanned family photos. P.S. I don't have lots of money, just enough.
    Gimp does take a bit of learning, but like other full featured software,
    you don't have to know it all to get started, and in the case of gimp
    there are filters and techniques one may never use.

    I love gimp, use it one or two times a week but it's not something us
    old people can learn from a one or two hour powerpoint presentation.
    True a few will get something out of them.

    Back in the 90's I had Photoshop 7, and promptly resold because I
    couldn't make heads nor tails of it so I stayed with software that came
    with a camera I bought until I found gimp about 2004 or 5? Now after
    over 10 years of using gimp I only know what's needed, and that isn't
    much. But I do know it's not for the faint of heart, but free.

    Oh, my Family tree is on gramps, and that ain't easy either... but
    free... lol

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  • From Arthur T.@21:1/5 to o ella on Thu Aug 16 14:19:23 2018
    In Message-ID:<pl446f$h70$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    o ella <o_ella@juno.xcom> wrote:

    I love gimp, use it one or two times a week but it's not something us
    old people can learn from a one or two hour powerpoint presentation.

    I've taken many commercial courses from IBM. They're so dense that
    there's no way to remember everything covered. BUT, just remembering
    that something can be done, is generally enough to dig through the documentation to figure out how it was done.

    So, for instance, it's probably more important for newbies to know
    that it's possible to emphasize specific (primary) colors than to
    remember the tools that do it.

    If nothing else, it can lead them to ask smarter, more specific
    questions.

    --
    Arthur T. - ar23hur "at" pobox "dot" com

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  • From Charlie Roberts@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 20 12:37:02 2018
    On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:05:56 -0400, Jimmy Alpha GeD
    <jimmy_alpha@operamail.com> wrote:

    There is also a very nice book. I learnt a lot from it and still
    use it as a reference.

    "The Book of GIMP" by Oliivier Lecarme and Karine Delvare.
    It may be pricey, but well worth it if you are aiming for more
    than the simplest of things. You could always ask you local
    library to borrow a copy for you if they do not have it.

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  • From Charlie Roberts@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 20 12:42:27 2018
    I also liked many of of the YouTube videos, but the trouble with
    almost all of them is that they do not say the reasoning behind
    the operations. It is all "moneky see, monkey do". If you are
    interested in something beyond the canned stuff (i.e. invent
    your own methods, etc.) you need to get a more formal
    background. The book was pretty good.

    And, in past years, this group of very good at that. I learnt a
    lot of the ideas behind the canned procedures from this group.

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  • From Jimmy Alpha GeD@21:1/5 to Charlie Roberts on Wed Aug 22 12:06:36 2018
    On 8/20/2018 12:42 PM, Charlie Roberts wrote:

    I also liked many of of the YouTube videos, but the trouble with
    almost all of them is that they do not say the reasoning behind
    the operations. It is all "moneky see, monkey do". If you are
    interested in something beyond the canned stuff (i.e. invent
    your own methods, etc.) you need to get a more formal
    background. The book was pretty good.

    And, in past years, this group of very good at that. I learnt a
    lot of the ideas behind the canned procedures from this group.

    "Looking" could get a copy of the book and scanning what she thinks the
    old pictures will need and make handouts. Giving gimp to old people
    without supervision isn't like giving paper and scissors to unsupervised toddler barbers where they figure everything out.

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