• Fiber to the Home [telecom]

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 22 12:38:14 2023
    On 3/20/2023 9:05, Steven Fleckenstein, N2UBP wrote:

    Frontier is not a very progressive telco. I haven't worked there for several years, but I've never heard of someone being pushed off of
    their service for fiber. It sounds like a marketing ploy to push
    people to *buy* new service. I find it very unlikely that they
    are shutting down copper POTS.


    Note Verizon *is* engaged in an aggressive campaign to migrate POTS
    users in FIOS-fed neighborhoods over. Their catch phrase is "Fiber is
    the only Fix." I was forced off two years ago.

    The reason, as told to me by a recent ex-employee, is money. Not just
    their decaying, East Germany-ish, level of outside copper plant, but the
    5ESS's feeding those POTS users. They may be a sunk cost, but they have {significant} ongoing license fees on their software aka "Generic".

    And as the number of POTS users declines, the $$/user goes up and up.

    If/when you get VZ phone service over FIOS, which I call "FOPS", no 5E
    is needed. I was told all FIOS calls in the extended DC region go via a Ribbon/Genband switch in Reston VA. That's a lot of bits.

    (Note there are two flavors of FOPS. One is regulated, tariffed,
    service. The other is from some {allegedly} arms-length VZ subsidiary
    called "Digital Voice" I believe. Or you can just buy data-only FIOS,
    and port your number to Callcentric or another VOIP carrier. That's the
    route I went.)

    The unanswered question is what shall VZ do about neighborhoods lacking
    FIOS? In Maryland at least, they ARE required to provide service. Other
    states, they have escaped from that commitment.

    We see they are deploying FIOS in some new areas, but I wonder how long
    before they start claiming 5-GeeWhiz cellular service, with VZ's
    cell-phone box screwed to your wall, shall be your only choice. I'm
    aware of someone in central Virginia already so served.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 11:47:32 2023
    Am 22.03.2023 schrieb "David" <wb8foz@panix.com>:

    On 3/20/2023 9:05, Steven Fleckenstein, N2UBP wrote:

    Frontier is not a very progressive telco. I haven't worked there
    for several years, but I've never heard of someone being pushed
    off of their service for fiber. It sounds like a marketing ploy
    to push people to *buy* new service. I find it very unlikely that
    they are shutting down copper POTS.


    Note Verizon *is* engaged in an aggressive campaign to migrate POTS
    users in FIOS-fed neighborhoods over. Their catch phrase is "Fiber is
    the only Fix." I was forced off two years ago.

    The reason, as told to me by a recent ex-employee, is money. Not just
    their decaying, East Germany-ish, level of outside copper plant, but
    the 5ESS's feeding those POTS users. They may be a sunk cost, but
    they have {significant} ongoing license fees on their software aka
    "Generic".

    If they still use a 5ESS Switching System, I can completely understand
    that the want to shut it down and move customers to VoIP.

    It is possible to provide POTS ports on new MSANs, but many ISPs just
    don't provide POTS anymore - the line cards are too expensive for the
    small amount of users.

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