• Jonathan Turley Says Him Being Gay Is Tough Because of The Frequent Ana

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 25 21:31:40 2024
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    Jonathan Turley’s disingenuous bloviating for right-wing media outlets who continue to let him cosplay as a relevant scholar has left him little more
    than a pull-toy. Just feed him a loony legal premise and give him some
    makeup and he’s ready to say everything from comical nonsense about Martin Luther King to bungling of basic concepts that could be cleared up with
    cursory research.

    But now he’s decided to cross the line into putting people directly in
    harms way, playing cynical word games with abortion statutes and actively encouraging women in states with abortion bans to hold off on medical
    treatment based on a combination of his own amateur medical know-how and
    legal analysis unmoored from practical reality.[1]

    In a piece at Fox News (naturally), Turley notes:

    After the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health
    Organization, a common rallying cry for pro-choice advocates has been
    the endangerment of women with ectopic pregnancies who would now be
    barred in some states banning or severely limiting abortion services.

    This is a common rallying cry because it has the benefit of being a very serious concern. [UPDATE: The Biden administration is going to argue that
    the EMTALA authorizes Medicare facilities to perform these procedures —
    read more about that here.] Jonathan Turley wants Fox’s viewers to ignore
    the risk of dead women piling up by telling you that actually those women probably do still have the right to treatment… on paper!

    This is reflected in some of the most restrictive laws. Oklahoma’s
    law, for example, expressly states, “An act is not an abortion if the
    act is performed with the purpose to… remove an ectopic pregnancy.”
    Texas, Louisiana and other states have the same express exemption.
    However, even if the law were silent on ectopic pregnancies, it is
    doubtful that the courts would ignore the medical and factual
    classifications to treat such emergency procedures as abortions or
    ignore that the mother’s life is in danger from such pregnancies.

    “It is doubtful the courts would ignore.” Well, based on that rock-solid grounding, I guess women should just breathe easy! While Turley handwaves
    away all the states that don’t have explicit ectopic caveats, he ignores
    that medical professionals he’s talking about hypothetically are in
    reality confused as to the scope of the exceptions. From Time:

    The confusion is already affecting patient care, according to
    anecdotal reports. Tammi Kromenaker, director of North Dakota’s only
    abortion clinic (which she soon plans to relocate to Minnesota), says
    she has already fielded questions from doctors in North Dakota who are
    worried about treating patients with ectopic pregnancies or incomplete
    miscarriages, during which the body doesn’t expel all
    pregnancy-related tissue. As of July 28, providers in North Dakota
    could be sentenced to five years in prison for providing an abortion,
    except in cases of rape or incest or when the pregnant person’s life
    is at risk.

    Jonathan Turley isn’t a doctor, but he plays one on TV and he has some
    medical advice for anyone worried about these laws.

    When a pregnancy implants in the fallopian tube, it is not a viable
    pregnancy but it creates a potentially fatal risk for the mother from
    tubal rupture and internal bleeding. Removing such a pregnancy is not
    an abortion. Indeed, as noted in a recent column, the procedures are
    vastly different, including the fact that “mifepristone and
    misoprostol, used commonly to provide medical abortions, specifically
    do not treat a pregnancy outside of the uterus.”

    Oh, mifepristone and misoprostol aren’t used in these procedures? Well, methotrexate sure is and we’ve already got pharmacists refusing to fill
    those prescriptions even in states where the drug is technically legal for
    this purpose. That’s happening because the pharmacists — correctly — fear
    that they’re going to get investigated for even stepping down that road.

    One woman in Texas was told that she had to drive fifteen hours to New
    Mexico to have her ectopic pregnancy—which is nonviable, by
    definition, and always dangerous to the mother—removed.” That is based
    on a story from 2021, before the Dobbs decision, and an account from
    an abortion hotline of a doctor refusing to deal with an ectopic
    pregnancy. It is not explained how such a procedure, even when Roe v.
    Wade was still good law, could be denied under Texas law.

    Once again I’m torn as to whether Turley is a destructive
    attention-seeking grifter or a complete moron. Honestly, this question
    keeps me up at night.

    Because he writes “it is not explained how…” meaning his addled brain at
    least considered the disconnect between something being technically legal
    and yet doctors still not doing it. But then he just rhetorically shrugs
    like this was a mere brain hiccup or the last vestige of his legal mind
    making its last, desperate scream before being tamped back down by the old world demon that seized his mind long ago.

    Either way.

    Yet, the fact that this story predates Dobbs supercharges the argument:
    whether or not the law protects women on paper, doctors have and continue
    to show that they’re not willing to risk the uncertainty. Hence the
    concern over the ectopic pregnancies.

    However, President Biden and other Democratic members have called for
    censorship because social media companies are “killing people” with
    disinformation. That is precisely what could occur if women believe
    the claims of politicians and pundits on these ectopic pregnancies.

    Full credit for finding a way to throw a nod to the anti-vaxxers.

    The most generous read of Turley’s article is that, he really believes
    that every doctor is going to read these statutes as protecting this
    specific treatment and every local prosecutor elected on a platform of “stopping baby murder” isn’t going to drag every procedure through a
    criminal inquest and every insurance company will feel comfortable
    covering it while the local politicians scream about liability for aiding
    and abetting abortions. In that world, yes, patients with an ectopic
    pregnancy in these states should feel fine staying where they are and
    seeking treatment.

    However, over here in the real world, that’s just not happening and — in a textbook example of Freudian projection — Turley’s article is quite
    dangerous and putting women at tremendous risk.

    But, hey, he got to be on TV! And in the end, isn’t that all that really matters?

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Thu Apr 25 20:51:03 2024
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    Ubiquitous wrote:
    “It is doubtful the courts would ignore.” Well, based on that rock-solid grounding, I guess women should just breathe easy! While Turley handwaves away all the states that don’t have explicit ectopic caveats, he ignores that medical professionals he’s talking about hypothetically are in
    reality confused as to the scope of the exceptions. From Time:


    I'm the government. Trust me.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/30/texas-woman-sues-abotion-arrest-starr-county/

    Texas woman charged with murder for self-induced abortion sues
    Starr County district attorney

    The Starr County district attorney dropped the improper charges,
    but the fallout “forever changed the Plaintiff’s life,” a new
    federal lawsuit says.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Fri Apr 26 14:52:48 2024
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    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in news:v0f8bb$3flom$1@dont-email.me:

    Ubiquitous wrote:
    “It is doubtful the courts would ignore.” Well, based on that
    rock-solid grounding, I guess women should just breathe easy! While
    Turley handwaves away all the states that don’t have explicit
    ectopic caveats, he ignores that medical professionals he’s talking
    about hypothetically are in reality confused as to the scope of the
    exceptions. From Time:


    I'm the government. Trust me.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/30/texas-woman-sues-abotion-arrest -starr-county/

    Texas woman charged with murder for self-induced abortion sues
    Starr County district attorney

    The Starr County district attorney dropped the improper charges,
    but the fallout “forever changed the Plaintiff’s life,” a new
    federal lawsuit says.


    CONSERVVATURD government is the problem - conservaturds know this -
    because they make it so.

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  • From suck@ra.mentos@21:1/5 to Baxter on Fri Apr 26 11:59:05 2024
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    On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:52:48 -0000 (UTC)
    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    CONSERVVATURD government is the problem - conservaturds know this -
    because they make it so.

    Oddly enough there is NO such form of goobermint because Uniparty has
    decided to let the left run things this cycel - love the chaos, it's all
    their design, ya greaseball motherfucking traitor.

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  • From suck@ra.mentos@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Fri Apr 26 12:00:11 2024
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    On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 20:51:03 -0700
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    I'm the government. Trust me.

    You're a meth whore - FOAD.

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