• Firefox scrollbar missing Up/Down Arrow Buttons at the scrollbar ends

    From Adam@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 12 08:41:16 2022
    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Adam on Fri Aug 12 09:58:51 2022
    https://i.postimg.cc/mZpQNCDG/Firefox-scrollbar-missing-Up-Down-Arrow-Buttons-at-scrollbar-ends.png


    On 08/12/2022 08:41 AM, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 13 10:40:43 2022
    Am Freitag, 12. August 2022, um 08:41:16 Uhr schrieb Adam:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?

    I assume the scroll bar is drawn by GTK in Ubuntu, not by FF itself.
    Maybe check the settings of it.

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  • From Ogedei@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Aug 13 16:05:23 2022
    Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Freitag, 12. August 2022, um 08:41:16 Uhr schrieb Adam:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?

    I assume the scroll bar is drawn by GTK in Ubuntu, not by FF itself.
    Maybe check the settings of it.

    Some GTK themes hide the scrollbar arrows.
    Either try a different theme, or see the fixes here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/881472

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adam on Sat Aug 13 06:48:40 2022
    On 8/12/2022 11:41 AM, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?

    Well, my Firefox is completely broken now.

    This is how you know you're having fun :-)

    Paul

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  • From Albert Arkwright@21:1/5 to Adam on Sun Aug 14 00:01:00 2022
    On 12/08/2022 16:41, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?
    Perhaps you need to set "Always show scrollbars" in Firefox. Are you
    using the latest Firefox? Your TB is quite old so wondered if FF is also
    very old. See this image to see what settings I am talking about.

    <https://i.imgur.com/xmWunBA.png>

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Albert Arkwright on Sat Aug 13 21:53:17 2022
    On 8/13/2022 7:01 PM, Albert Arkwright wrote:
    On 12/08/2022 16:41, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?
    Perhaps you need to set "Always show scrollbars" in Firefox. Are you
    using the latest Firefox? Your TB is quite old so wondered if FF is also
    very old. See this image to see what settings I am talking about.

    <https://i.imgur.com/xmWunBA.png>


    But does "scrollbars" equal "scrollbars with arrows at top and bottom" ?

    That is the question.

    *******

    These are some options Firefox used to have. These are widget styles 0..5
    Some of them have arrows at top and bottom, for fine control.

    https://media.askvg.com/articles/images8/Different_Styles_Scrollbars_Appearance_Mozilla_Firefox.png

    widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style 0=Default OS style scrollbar <=== could be GTK on linux
    1=MacOSX
    2=GTK
    3=Android
    4=W10
    5=W11

    This is not the first time the arrows have gone missing.

    I tried the GTK.css method and it made no difference.

    Paul

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Adam on Sun Aug 14 02:55:32 2022
    On 08/14/2022 02:45 AM, Adam wrote:
    On 08/13/2022 06:53 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/13/2022 7:01 PM, Albert Arkwright wrote:
    On 12/08/2022 16:41, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?
    Perhaps you need to set "Always show scrollbars" in Firefox. Are you
    using the latest Firefox? Your TB is quite old so wondered if FF is also >>> very old. See this image to see what settings I am talking about.

    <https://i.imgur.com/xmWunBA.png>


    But does "scrollbars" equal "scrollbars with arrows at top and bottom" ?

    That is the question.

    *******

    These are some options Firefox used to have. These are widget styles 0..5
    Some of them have arrows at top and bottom, for fine control.

    https://media.askvg.com/articles/images8/Different_Styles_Scrollbars_Appearance_Mozilla_Firefox.png



    widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style 0=Default OS style scrollbar
    <=== could be GTK on linux
    1=MacOSX
    2=GTK
    3=Android
    4=W10
    5=W11

    On my system, that preference shows as Boolean.


    Deleted the Boolean preference. No luck setting Number preference to 0
    or 2.


    This is not the first time the arrows have gone missing.

    I tried the GTK.css method and it made no difference.

    Paul


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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Aug 14 02:45:40 2022
    On 08/13/2022 06:53 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/13/2022 7:01 PM, Albert Arkwright wrote:
    On 12/08/2022 16:41, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?
    Perhaps you need to set "Always show scrollbars" in Firefox. Are you
    using the latest Firefox? Your TB is quite old so wondered if FF is also
    very old. See this image to see what settings I am talking about.

    <https://i.imgur.com/xmWunBA.png>


    But does "scrollbars" equal "scrollbars with arrows at top and bottom" ?

    That is the question.

    *******

    These are some options Firefox used to have. These are widget styles 0..5 Some of them have arrows at top and bottom, for fine control.

    https://media.askvg.com/articles/images8/Different_Styles_Scrollbars_Appearance_Mozilla_Firefox.png


    widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style 0=Default OS style scrollbar
    <=== could be GTK on linux
    1=MacOSX
    2=GTK
    3=Android
    4=W10
    5=W11

    On my system, that preference shows as Boolean.


    This is not the first time the arrows have gone missing.

    I tried the GTK.css method and it made no difference.

    Paul

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Albert Arkwright on Sun Aug 14 02:59:26 2022
    On 08/13/2022 04:01 PM, Albert Arkwright wrote:
    On 12/08/2022 16:41, Adam wrote:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?
    Perhaps you need to set "Always show scrollbars" in Firefox. Are you
    using the latest Firefox? Your TB is quite old so wondered if FF is also
    very old. See this image to see what settings I am talking about.

    <https://i.imgur.com/xmWunBA.png>


    Searching for "scroll". My FF does not have that option.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adam on Sun Aug 14 06:34:31 2022
    On 8/14/2022 5:55 AM, Adam wrote:


    Deleted the Boolean preference.  No luck setting Number preference to 0 or 2.

    An example, showing change to scroll bar that results.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/k5bdCB6R/about-config-widget.gif

    Then compare to some older Firefox.

    https://media.askvg.com/articles/images8/Different_Styles_Scrollbars_Appearance_Mozilla_Firefox.png

    You can see that "4" makes it the "wide one", but with no arrows.

    Which means, perhaps, a theme overrides it and
    a theme file needs to have scrollbar entries added.

    Paul

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Aug 15 02:10:53 2022
    On 08/14/2022 03:34 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/14/2022 5:55 AM, Adam wrote:


    Deleted the Boolean preference. No luck setting Number preference to
    0 or 2.

    An example, showing change to scroll bar that results.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/k5bdCB6R/about-config-widget.gif

    Then compare to some older Firefox.


    https://media.askvg.com/articles/images8/Different_Styles_Scrollbars_Appearance_Mozilla_Firefox.png


    You can see that "4" makes it the "wide one", but with no arrows.

    Shows ALL "modified preferences" for "scrollbar"...

    https://i.postimg.cc/sgB4kkSh/Firefox-about-config-scrollbar.png


    Which means, perhaps, a theme overrides it and
    a theme file needs to have scrollbar entries added.

    Will look into scrollbar theme file. I recall seeing something about
    adding script-like lines to <filename>.css ?


    Paul


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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adam on Mon Aug 15 06:35:56 2022
    On 8/15/2022 5:10 AM, Adam wrote:


    Will look into scrollbar theme file.  I recall seeing something about adding script-like lines to <filename>.css ?

    That's the basic idea. Maybe a gtk.css file.

    But it's a long shot, based on the progress to date.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adam on Mon Aug 15 12:08:28 2022
    On 8/15/2022 11:15 AM, Adam wrote:
    On 08/15/2022 03:35 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/15/2022 5:10 AM, Adam wrote:


    Will look into scrollbar theme file.  I recall seeing something about
    adding script-like lines to <filename>.css ?

    That's the basic idea. Maybe a gtk.css file.

    Oh, yes-yes-yes, that's the name (gtk.css).  But,
    I recall that attempt didn't work either, which
    is why I didn't look further.

    What's the best way to upgrade Firefox without disturbing too many system files?  Which version of Firefox is most stable?


    But it's a long shot, based on the progress to date.

        Paul



    The BZIP2 they provide, is not a .deb, so the package manager won't know you have
    unpacked this into a folder. There is firefox (script) and firefox (the ELF binary)
    in the folder. Examine the script first, to see what it is doing.

    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/103.0.2/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-103.0.2.tar.bz2

    To point to a completely separate profile, there is this hack.

    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bypassing_the_Profile_Manager#Creating_a_profile_that_is_not_listed_in_the_Profile_Manager

    cd ~/Downloads/firefox_unpacked/firefox

    ./firefox -profile ~/myprofile # the script should call ./firefox-bin
    # if ~/myprofile does not exist, it should mkdir it.

    I know something like this is possible, because if you build
    a Nightly in your own homedir, there is a folder in there
    you can use for running the Nightly, without affecting any
    Release versions. The profile for the Nightly is not supposed
    to touch the release ones.

    The profiles could be stamped with a profile version, such as
    52.2ESR or the like, and while a profile can be migrated forward,
    I don't know what happens to your passwords if you attempt
    to migrate backwards. That's why, best hygiene is to run the
    second copy completely separate from existing infrastructure.

    The Firefox command line responses are muted and weak as piss,
    so don't expect any "warnings" of the normal sort from mis-typing
    anything. All you might see is some rubbish about OpenGL or GTK issues. Building a Debug version of Firefox, may have more messages in it,
    but again, don't expect the messages to help exactly.

    Paul

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Aug 15 08:15:22 2022
    On 08/15/2022 03:35 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/15/2022 5:10 AM, Adam wrote:


    Will look into scrollbar theme file. I recall seeing something about
    adding script-like lines to <filename>.css ?

    That's the basic idea. Maybe a gtk.css file.

    Oh, yes-yes-yes, that's the name (gtk.css). But,
    I recall that attempt didn't work either, which
    is why I didn't look further.

    What's the best way to upgrade Firefox without disturbing too many
    system files? Which version of Firefox is most stable?


    But it's a long shot, based on the progress to date.

    Paul


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  • From Ray@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Mon Aug 15 18:58:09 2022
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:

    Am Freitag, 12. August 2022, um 08:41:16 Uhr schrieb Adam:

    How to get Up/Down Arrow Buttons to show at Firefox scrollbar ends?

    I assume the scroll bar is drawn by GTK in Ubuntu, not by FF itself.
    Maybe check the settings of it.

    You can type :

    about:config

    in the search bar and then accept the warning
    that takes you to advanced settings then type scrollbar in the
    searchbox.

    Good luck there are dozens of options.

    But like it warns TAKE CARE.

    RayH

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 15 20:18:22 2022
    Am Montag, 15. August 2022, um 18:58:09 Uhr schrieb Ray:

    about:config

    in the search bar and then accept the warning
    that takes you to advanced settings then type scrollbar in the
    searchbox.

    The GTK Theme isn't controlled inside FF, it is an OS setting.

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Aug 21 15:36:40 2022
    On 08/15/2022 09:08 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/15/2022 11:15 AM, Adam wrote:
    On 08/15/2022 03:35 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 8/15/2022 5:10 AM, Adam wrote:


    Will look into scrollbar theme file. I recall seeing something about
    adding script-like lines to <filename>.css ?

    That's the basic idea. Maybe a gtk.css file.

    Oh, yes-yes-yes, that's the name (gtk.css). But,
    I recall that attempt didn't work either, which
    is why I didn't look further.

    What's the best way to upgrade Firefox without disturbing too many
    system files? Which version of Firefox is most stable?


    But it's a long shot, based on the progress to date.

    Paul



    The BZIP2 they provide, is not a .deb, so the package manager won't know
    you have
    unpacked this into a folder. There is firefox (script) and firefox (the
    ELF binary)
    in the folder. Examine the script first, to see what it is doing.

    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/103.0.2/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-103.0.2.tar.bz2


    To point to a completely separate profile, there is this hack.

    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bypassing_the_Profile_Manager#Creating_a_profile_that_is_not_listed_in_the_Profile_Manager


    cd ~/Downloads/firefox_unpacked/firefox

    ./firefox -profile ~/myprofile # the script should call ./firefox-bin
    # if ~/myprofile does
    not exist, it should mkdir it.

    I know something like this is possible, because if you build
    a Nightly in your own homedir, there is a folder in there
    you can use for running the Nightly, without affecting any
    Release versions. The profile for the Nightly is not supposed
    to touch the release ones.

    The profiles could be stamped with a profile version, such as
    52.2ESR or the like, and while a profile can be migrated forward,
    I don't know what happens to your passwords if you attempt
    to migrate backwards. That's why, best hygiene is to run the
    second copy completely separate from existing infrastructure.

    The Firefox command line responses are muted and weak as piss,
    so don't expect any "warnings" of the normal sort from mis-typing
    anything. All you might see is some rubbish about OpenGL or GTK issues. Building a Debug version of Firefox, may have more messages in it,
    but again, don't expect the messages to help exactly.

    Paul


    I tried Ubuntu 20.04 LIVE. No scrollbar Up/Down arrow buttons.

    Searching Firefox Support for "scrollbar arrow"...

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1375677

    Seems like a feature. :-)

    Too bad.

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