• Install Linux in Windows

    From Pent@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 22 08:52:31 2022
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
    dive, called LICK

    https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
    USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like
    Ubuntu or MX Linux?

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 22 10:47:15 2022
    Am Sonntag, 22. Mai 2022, um 08:52:31 Uhr schrieb Pent:

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
    like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

    For Ubuntu Wubi exist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Pent on Sun May 22 07:49:23 2022
    On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
    dive, called LICK

     https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
    USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

    Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which runs from Windows. Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before the
    horse (Linux) better to put Linux on the fixed drive and run Windows
    from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
    Windows from intrusions.)

    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
    the Perfect Computer Linux Operating System.

    and a minor case of hypergraphia

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Pent on Sun May 22 10:32:09 2022
    Pent wrote:
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
    dive, called LICK

     https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
    USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    That's not exactly what Lick is doing.

    From Windows you run Lick and it installs Puppy to the hdd and it mod/s
    the boot so that you can boot Puppy from the hdd instead of Win. So, to
    me, the 'problem' is the boot mod.

    That method/strategy has disadvantages compared to some other Puppy alternatives like a frugal install which does NOT need to make changes
    to the boot sector, but IS able to park essential Puppy elements on a
    dir on the Win hdd.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

    The newest fork of wubi is wubiuefi which supports up to Ub 20.04 and I
    think other -ub/s which use Ubiquity installer.

    Personally, if I wanted to put my linux/es on something faster than a
    USB, I would put Ventoy on an SSD instead of a USB and just copy
    whichever linux/es I wanted to the SSD.


    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Mark Lloyd@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sun May 22 13:16:23 2022
    On 5/22/22 09:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    [snip]

        Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which
    runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before
    the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run
    Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
    Windows from intrusions.)

    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
      the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.

        and a minor case of hypergraphia

    That is what I do for programs that require Windows. Xubuntu host. Disk
    speed matters, so I have both (host and virtual machines) on NVMe drives.

    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests." -- Thomas
    Paine (1737-1809)

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Pent on Sun May 22 22:51:16 2022
    On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

    Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL): https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install

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  • From Dex@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Mon May 23 09:46:28 2022
    On 22/05/2022 18:32, Mike Easter wrote:
    Pent wrote:
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
    dive, called LICK

      https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
    USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    That's not exactly what Lick is doing.

    From Windows you run Lick and it installs Puppy to the hdd and it mod/s
    the boot so that you can boot Puppy from the hdd instead of Win.  So, to
    me, the 'problem' is the boot mod.


    Not a problem for me, or Win7 and Win10.


    That method/strategy has disadvantages compared to some other Puppy alternatives like a frugal install which does NOT need to make changes
    to the boot sector, but IS able to park essential Puppy elements on a
    dir on the Win hdd.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
    like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

    The newest fork of wubi is wubiuefi which supports up to Ub 20.04 and I
    think other -ub/s which use Ubiquity installer.


    Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version. Ubuntu
    wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down and do a
    hard reset.

    Personally, if I wanted to put my linux/es on something faster than a
    USB, I would put Ventoy on an SSD instead of a USB and just copy
    whichever linux/es I wanted to the SSD.



    That formats the partition, which is a big no for me. Thanks anyway.

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  • From Dex@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon May 23 09:51:16 2022
    On 22/05/2022 15:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
    dive, called LICK

      https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
    USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
    like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

        Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which
    runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before
    the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run
    Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
    Windows from intrusions.)

    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
      the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.

        and a minor case of hypergraphia

    I'll stick with Windows :)

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  • From Dex@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Mon May 23 09:49:12 2022
    On 22/05/2022 09:47, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Sonntag, 22. Mai 2022, um 08:52:31 Uhr schrieb Pent:

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
    like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

    For Ubuntu Wubi exist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi


    No longer supported, download link heads straight to the Ubuntu desktop download page.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 11:14:41 2022
    Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:49:12 Uhr schrieb Dex:

    No longer supported, download link heads straight to the Ubuntu
    desktop download page.

    I forgot to mention that, sorry.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 11:15:07 2022
    Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:

    Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
    Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down
    and do a hard reset.

    Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and splash)
    and then look what the problem is.

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  • From Dex@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Mon May 23 11:04:44 2022
    On 23/05/2022 10:15, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:

    Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
    Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down
    and do a hard reset.

    Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and splash)
    and then look what the problem is.


    I get this trying to shutdown.

    https://paste.pictures/eSOHFnqzY.jpg

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 13:59:35 2022
    Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 11:04:44 Uhr schrieb Dex:

    On 23/05/2022 10:15, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:

    Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
    Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button
    down and do a hard reset.

    Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and
    splash) and then look what the problem is.


    I get this trying to shutdown.

    https://paste.pictures/eSOHFnqzY.jpg

    Interesting. Which device is loop0 when running the OS?
    I/o error normally means faulty drives/cables.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon May 23 19:41:32 2022
    On 5/22/2022 10:49 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard dive, called LICK

      https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

        Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run Windows from a virtual machine(Thus
    Lunux would be protecting the
    Windows from intrusions.)

    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
      the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.

        and a minor case of hypergraphia

    You can run rootless Linux graphical applications on Windows,
    with no outward signs of the usual decorations. The beta version
    for the Insider version of Windows10 was terribly jerky, but that
    is fixed now. The Insider version of Windows10 is another name
    for Windows 11.

    They could have put this on Windows 10, but marketing said
    not to.

    This is a Ubuntu distro under the hood, in a couple containers.
    With AMD graphics, you get a driver straight from the AMD site
    to enable WSLg, while with NVidia graphics, the Windows Update
    NVidia driver is good enough.

    [Picture] If the frame is blank, right click and select "reload"

    https://i.postimg.cc/9MWTXFgj/Dualing-Firefoxes.gif

    I've already used this -- for cases where some UserAgent
    sniffing activity requires a second browser with impeccable
    credentials. And that would be the Linux one :-) Because I
    don't like the incessant updating activity of the Windows one,
    I just use an ESR on the Windows side.

    Since the two profiles are in entirely different places,
    they do not conflict.

    The Ubuntu update activity is a bit different in this
    environment, in that you type a command to do whatever
    is in queue. There is a little less pestering. A nice model.

    Since changing my graphics from AMD to NVidia, my VirtualBox 6
    is working a little better, but it still isn't perfect. It isn't
    qemu kvm good. So while I would normally suggest a decorated VM
    window for this sort of thing, VirtualBox still isn't 100%.
    (It was working for a bit, but some update damaged it.)

    And I finally broke down and tried the Hyper-V interface...
    and did not like the patronizing attitude. So back in the box
    it goes. The thing is, Ben from Connectix showed them how
    to design an interface. Why couldn't they have learned
    something from that ? (Connectix used to be a Mac hw/sw
    company until Microsoft bought it for the "Virtual PC" product,
    which got ported to Windows.) The product succumbed to the
    usual "form over function" disease.

    Paul

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon May 23 19:04:50 2022
    On 5/23/22 16:41, Paul wrote:
    On 5/22/2022 10:49 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
    There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
    dive, called LICK

      https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

    Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
    USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

    Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
    like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

         Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which
    runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before
    the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run
    Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
    Windows from intrusions.)

    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
       the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.

         and a minor case of hypergraphia

    You can run rootless Linux graphical applications on Windows,
    with no outward signs of the usual decorations. The beta version
    for the Insider version of Windows10 was terribly jerky, but that
    is fixed now. The Insider version of Windows10 is another name
    for Windows 11.

    They could have put this on Windows 10, but marketing said
    not to.

    This is a Ubuntu distro under the hood, in a couple containers.
    With AMD graphics, you get a driver straight from the AMD site
    to enable WSLg, while with NVidia graphics, the Windows Update
    NVidia driver is good enough.

       [Picture]  If the frame is blank, right click and select "reload"

       https://i.postimg.cc/9MWTXFgj/Dualing-Firefoxes.gif

    I've already used this -- for cases where some UserAgent
    sniffing activity requires a second browser with impeccable
    credentials. And that would be the Linux one :-) Because I
    don't like the incessant updating activity of the Windows one,
    I just use an ESR on the Windows side.

    Since the two profiles are in entirely different places,
    they do not conflict.

    The Ubuntu update activity is a bit different in this
    environment, in that you type a command to do whatever
    is in queue. There is a little less pestering. A nice model.

    Since changing my graphics from AMD to NVidia, my VirtualBox 6
    is working a little better, but it still isn't perfect. It isn't
    qemu kvm good. So while I would normally suggest a decorated VM
    window for this sort of thing, VirtualBox still isn't 100%.
    (It was working for a bit, but some update damaged it.)

    And I finally broke down and tried the Hyper-V interface...
    and did not like the patronizing attitude. So back in the box
    it goes. The thing is, Ben from Connectix showed them how
    to design an interface. Why couldn't they have learned
    something from that ? (Connectix used to be a Mac hw/sw
    company until Microsoft bought it for the "Virtual PC" product,
    which got ported to Windows.) The product succumbed to the
    usual "form over function" disease.

       Paul

    Thanks for the report, Paul.

    bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
    the Perfect Computer Linux Operating System.

    and a minor case of hypergraphia



    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Dex on Mon May 23 23:29:20 2022
    On 5/23/2022 6:04 AM, Dex wrote:
    On 23/05/2022 10:15, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:

    Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
    Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down
    and do a hard reset.

    Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and splash)
    and then look what the problem is.


    I get this trying to shutdown.

    https://paste.pictures/eSOHFnqzY.jpg


    Try hitting "return" or "control-c" as a response.
    Sometimes, while producing those long chains of
    "this partition has been dismounted, but I will
    continue to access it" behavior, there is also
    something waiting on input, and a "return" is
    sufficient to satisfy it.

    Paul

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