• Bankman-Fried still listed as speaking with Zelensky, Yellen, Pence, Zu

    From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 20:30:58 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    The New York Times is holding their annual DealBook Summit on November
    30th at the Appel Room of the Lincoln Center in New York City.

    The event speakers global elites from the political and corporate world.
    Sam Bankman-Fired, CEO of FTX, has second billing on speaker lists on
    the NYT website.

    “This fall, Andrew Ross Sorkin brings together today’s most vital minds
    on a single stage, live in the heart of New York City. Be there as the conversation unfolds, revealing hidden complexities, unexpected
    relationships and the wide-ranging ripple effects of change.” – New York Times

    The event is sponsored by Accenture, U.S. Bank, T. Rowe Price, Brex and Walmart. Tickets start at $2,499 and you must pass an application
    process to attend. The Lincoln Center is a 16.3-acre complex in
    Manhattan with multiple venues. The Appel Room is a luxurious theater
    seating 483 people. Behind the stage is a giant glass wall overlooking Manhattan.

    As of right now, Bankman-Freid is still listed as a speaker on the New
    York Times website. They have not removed him.

    https://national-conservative.com/bankman-fried-still-listed-as-speaking-with-zelensky-yellen-pence-zuckerberg-in-nyc-on-nov-30th/
    --
    "Build Back Better means Destroy More Quickly."

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter
    fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

    "C'mon man! If you didn't vote for me , you ain't black ." Joe Biden -

    "Poor children can be just as smart as White children." -- Joe Biden

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.
    Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and
    ignorance.” - George Orwell

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From 26C.Z968@21:1/5 to Hisler on Sat Nov 19 23:11:09 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On 11/19/22 10:30 PM, Hisler wrote:
    The New York Times is holding their annual DealBook Summit on November
    30th at the Appel Room of the Lincoln Center in New York City.

    The event speakers global elites from the political and corporate world.
    Sam Bankman-Fired, CEO of FTX, has second billing on speaker lists on
    the NYT website.

    “This fall, Andrew Ross Sorkin brings together today’s most vital minds on a single stage, live in the heart of New York City. Be there as the conversation unfolds, revealing hidden complexities, unexpected
    relationships and the wide-ranging ripple effects of change.” – New York Times

    The event is sponsored by Accenture, U.S. Bank, T. Rowe Price, Brex and Walmart. Tickets start at $2,499 and you must pass an application
    process to attend. The Lincoln Center is a 16.3-acre complex in
    Manhattan with multiple venues. The Appel Room is a luxurious theater
    seating 483 people. Behind the stage is a giant glass wall overlooking Manhattan.

    As of right now, Bankman-Freid is still listed as a speaker on the New
    York Times website. They have not removed him.

    https://national-conservative.com/bankman-fried-still-listed-as-speaking-with-zelensky-yellen-pence-zuckerberg-in-nyc-on-nov-30th/

    Hey - SBF was still a *big player* right up until the
    elections were over. All the weirdnesses of his biz
    were carefully overlooked ... so long as he funded
    Dem candidates. He even greased a certain percentage
    of relevant Republicans ... he WAS politically savvy,
    though in no way BUSINESS savvy. He had created
    something DESIGNED to be heavily exploited - and
    just FUCK the investors.

    IMHO this was a kamakaze biz - a political-funding
    front.

    SBF may or may NOT have fully realized this. In any
    case he was PLAYED to the bitter end. Even HRC was
    not as good at pay-2-play and money laundering as
    FTX came to be.

    Next ... I expect a wave of mysterious "suicides"
    and "accidents" amongst the FTX top staff. They
    just Know Too Much .........

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 21:52:12 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On 11/19/2022 9:11 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/19/22 10:30 PM, Hisler wrote:
    The New York Times is holding their annual DealBook Summit on November
    30th at the Appel Room of the Lincoln Center in New York City.

    The event speakers global elites from the political and corporate
    world. Sam Bankman-Fired, CEO of FTX, has second billing on speaker
    lists on the NYT website.

    “This fall, Andrew Ross Sorkin brings together today’s most vital
    minds on a single stage, live in the heart of New York City. Be there
    as the conversation unfolds, revealing hidden complexities, unexpected
    relationships and the wide-ranging ripple effects of change.” – New
    York Times

    The event is sponsored by Accenture, U.S. Bank, T. Rowe Price, Brex
    and Walmart. Tickets start at $2,499 and you must pass an application
    process to attend. The Lincoln Center is a 16.3-acre complex in
    Manhattan with multiple venues. The Appel Room is a luxurious theater
    seating 483 people. Behind the stage is a giant glass wall overlooking
    Manhattan.

    As of right now, Bankman-Freid is still listed as a speaker on the New
    York Times website. They have not removed him.

    https://national-conservative.com/bankman-fried-still-listed-as-speaking-with-zelensky-yellen-pence-zuckerberg-in-nyc-on-nov-30th/

      Hey - SBF was still a *big player* right up until the
      elections were over. All the weirdnesses of his biz
      were carefully overlooked ... so long as he funded
      Dem candidates. He even greased a certain percentage
      of relevant Republicans ... he WAS politically savvy,
      though in no way BUSINESS savvy. He had created
      something DESIGNED to be heavily exploited - and
      just FUCK the investors.

      IMHO this was a kamakaze biz - a political-funding
      front.

      SBF may or may NOT have fully realized this. In any
      case he was PLAYED to the bitter end. Even HRC was
      not as good at pay-2-play and money laundering as
      FTX came to be.

      Next ... I expect a wave of mysterious "suicides"
      and "accidents" amongst the FTX top staff. They
      just Know Too Much .........

    It seems that this is bigger than just FTX:

    https://globalgulag.us/regulations-will-lead-to-a-two-tiered-bitcoin-economy/

    Regulations will lead to a Two-Tiered Bitcoin Economy
    Posted on November 19, 2022 | By gassasb | No comments
    by Thibaud Marechal

    This is an opinion editorial by Thibaud Marechal, builder of Knox
    bitcoin custody provider.

    FTX is the greatest excuse, whether planned or not, to further control
    bitcoin on-ramps and take away the possibility of self-custody and true ownership.

    There has been a lot of coverage around the FTX catastrophic failure,
    with current developments and warning signs from the past. Will this
    have an influence on bitcoin in the coming years? I don’t care about
    shitcoin casinos, as most of them will probably be regulated as
    securities exchanges or shut down due to outright fraud or insolvencies.
    This is almost a done deal. But what about bitcoin?

    Let’s play and game and speculate on the effect FTX will have on the
    future of bitcoin.

    Bitcoin usage is going to split — gradually then suddenly. It’s been in
    the works since the genesis block was produced on January 3, 2009. There
    will be two ways to use bitcoin: as a black market good or as paper
    bitcoin on regulated exchanges. This future has almost always been true,
    but the distinction will become more clear-cut soon enough.

    <snip>

    On one end, people will buy bitcoin IOUs on custodial entities giving up
    full KYC (know-your-customer) details, automated tax reporting and zero privacy. Bitcoin is going to be used as the underlying asset to the
    global financial surveillance network, the likes of which we have not
    yet seen. Regulated companies will form a network of compliance on top
    of Bitcoin and prevent you from holding what could have been truly
    yours. Perhaps they will even wrap it into a central bank digital
    currency (CBDC) to protect you against the volatility of bitcoin. You
    will buy paper bitcoin and you will be happy.

    On the other end, bitcoin will flourish as the tool that it always ought
    to be: black market money. This will be the beginning of a new era for Bitcoiners who have zero fiat, i.e., the Bitcoiners who run full nodes,
    have full privacy and pay peer-to-peer for stuff with their hard-earned
    sats.

    https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/regulations-and-two-tiered-bitcoin-economy


    --
    "Build Back Better means Destroy More Quickly."

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter
    fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

    "C'mon man! If you didn't vote for me , you ain't black ." Joe Biden -

    "Poor children can be just as smart as White children." -- Joe Biden

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.
    Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and
    ignorance.” - George Orwell

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 22:13:38 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On 11/19/2022 9:11 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/19/22 10:30 PM, Hisler wrote:
    The New York Times is holding their annual DealBook Summit on November
    30th at the Appel Room of the Lincoln Center in New York City.

    The event speakers global elites from the political and corporate
    world. Sam Bankman-Fired, CEO of FTX, has second billing on speaker
    lists on the NYT website.

    “This fall, Andrew Ross Sorkin brings together today’s most vital
    minds on a single stage, live in the heart of New York City. Be there
    as the conversation unfolds, revealing hidden complexities, unexpected
    relationships and the wide-ranging ripple effects of change.” – New
    York Times

    The event is sponsored by Accenture, U.S. Bank, T. Rowe Price, Brex
    and Walmart. Tickets start at $2,499 and you must pass an application
    process to attend. The Lincoln Center is a 16.3-acre complex in
    Manhattan with multiple venues. The Appel Room is a luxurious theater
    seating 483 people. Behind the stage is a giant glass wall overlooking
    Manhattan.

    As of right now, Bankman-Freid is still listed as a speaker on the New
    York Times website. They have not removed him.

    https://national-conservative.com/bankman-fried-still-listed-as-speaking-with-zelensky-yellen-pence-zuckerberg-in-nyc-on-nov-30th/

      Hey - SBF was still a *big player* right up until the
      elections were over. All the weirdnesses of his biz
      were carefully overlooked ... so long as he funded
      Dem candidates. He even greased a certain percentage
      of relevant Republicans ... he WAS politically savvy,
      though in no way BUSINESS savvy. He had created
      something DESIGNED to be heavily exploited - and
      just FUCK the investors.

      IMHO this was a kamakaze biz - a political-funding
      front.

      SBF may or may NOT have fully realized this. In any
      case he was PLAYED to the bitter end. Even HRC was
      not as good at pay-2-play and money laundering as
      FTX came to be.

      Next ... I expect a wave of mysterious "suicides"
      and "accidents" amongst the FTX top staff. They
      just Know Too Much .........

    Check out the meme here:

    https://globalgulag.us/the-strange-connections-of-sam-bankman-fried-and-ftx/
    --
    "Build Back Better means Destroy More Quickly."

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter
    fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

    "C'mon man! If you didn't vote for me , you ain't black ." Joe Biden -

    "Poor children can be just as smart as White children." -- Joe Biden

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.
    Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and
    ignorance.” - George Orwell

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From 26C.Z968@21:1/5 to Hisler on Sun Nov 20 02:57:54 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On 11/19/22 11:52 PM, Hisler wrote:
    On 11/19/2022 9:11 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/19/22 10:30 PM, Hisler wrote:
    The New York Times is holding their annual DealBook Summit on
    November 30th at the Appel Room of the Lincoln Center in New York City.

    The event speakers global elites from the political and corporate
    world. Sam Bankman-Fired, CEO of FTX, has second billing on speaker
    lists on the NYT website.

    “This fall, Andrew Ross Sorkin brings together today’s most vital
    minds on a single stage, live in the heart of New York City. Be there
    as the conversation unfolds, revealing hidden complexities,
    unexpected relationships and the wide-ranging ripple effects of
    change.” – New York Times

    The event is sponsored by Accenture, U.S. Bank, T. Rowe Price, Brex
    and Walmart. Tickets start at $2,499 and you must pass an application
    process to attend. The Lincoln Center is a 16.3-acre complex in
    Manhattan with multiple venues. The Appel Room is a luxurious theater
    seating 483 people. Behind the stage is a giant glass wall
    overlooking Manhattan.

    As of right now, Bankman-Freid is still listed as a speaker on the
    New York Times website. They have not removed him.

    https://national-conservative.com/bankman-fried-still-listed-as-speaking-with-zelensky-yellen-pence-zuckerberg-in-nyc-on-nov-30th/


       Hey - SBF was still a *big player* right up until the
       elections were over. All the weirdnesses of his biz
       were carefully overlooked ... so long as he funded
       Dem candidates. He even greased a certain percentage
       of relevant Republicans ... he WAS politically savvy,
       though in no way BUSINESS savvy. He had created
       something DESIGNED to be heavily exploited - and
       just FUCK the investors.

       IMHO this was a kamakaze biz - a political-funding
       front.

       SBF may or may NOT have fully realized this. In any
       case he was PLAYED to the bitter end. Even HRC was
       not as good at pay-2-play and money laundering as
       FTX came to be.

       Next ... I expect a wave of mysterious "suicides"
       and "accidents" amongst the FTX top staff. They
       just Know Too Much .........

    It seems that this is bigger than just FTX:

    https://globalgulag.us/regulations-will-lead-to-a-two-tiered-bitcoin-economy/


    Regulations will lead to a Two-Tiered Bitcoin Economy
    Posted on November 19, 2022 | By gassasb | No comments
    by Thibaud Marechal

    This is an opinion editorial by Thibaud Marechal, builder of Knox
    bitcoin custody provider.

    FTX is the greatest excuse, whether planned or not, to further control bitcoin on-ramps and take away the possibility of self-custody and true ownership.

    There has been a lot of coverage around the FTX catastrophic failure,
    with current developments and warning signs from the past. Will this
    have an influence on bitcoin in the coming years? I don’t care about shitcoin casinos, as most of them will probably be regulated as
    securities exchanges or shut down due to outright fraud or insolvencies.
    This is almost a done deal. But what about bitcoin?

    Let’s play and game and speculate on the effect FTX will have on the
    future of bitcoin.

    Bitcoin usage is going to split — gradually then suddenly. It’s been in the works since the genesis block was produced on January 3, 2009. There
    will be two ways to use bitcoin: as a black market good or as paper
    bitcoin on regulated exchanges. This future has almost always been true,
    but the distinction will become more clear-cut soon enough.

    <snip>

    On one end, people will buy bitcoin IOUs on custodial entities giving up
    full KYC (know-your-customer) details, automated tax reporting and zero privacy. Bitcoin is going to be used as the underlying asset to the
    global financial surveillance network, the likes of which we have not
    yet seen. Regulated companies will form a network of compliance on top
    of Bitcoin and prevent you from holding what could have been truly
    yours. Perhaps they will even wrap it into a central bank digital
    currency (CBDC) to protect you against the volatility of bitcoin. You
    will buy paper bitcoin and you will be happy.

    On the other end, bitcoin will flourish as the tool that it always ought
    to be: black market money. This will be the beginning of a new era for Bitcoiners who have zero fiat, i.e., the Bitcoiners who run full nodes,
    have full privacy and pay peer-to-peer for stuff with their hard-earned
    sats.

    https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/regulations-and-two-tiered-bitcoin-economy

    What I see is an enterprise customized for
    funding political campaigns.

    It served it's purpose - and then literally a
    few days after the election was thrown onto the
    trash heap.

    HRC isn't even THIS good.

    The distressing part is that Republicans are totally
    hung up on the concept of geeks having lots of sex.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 10:37:59 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On 11/19/2022 9:11 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/19/22 10:30 PM, Hisler wrote:
    The New York Times is holding their annual DealBook Summit on November
    30th at the Appel Room of the Lincoln Center in New York City.

    The event speakers global elites from the political and corporate
    world. Sam Bankman-Fired, CEO of FTX, has second billing on speaker
    lists on the NYT website.

    “This fall, Andrew Ross Sorkin brings together today’s most vital
    minds on a single stage, live in the heart of New York City. Be there
    as the conversation unfolds, revealing hidden complexities, unexpected
    relationships and the wide-ranging ripple effects of change.” – New
    York Times

    The event is sponsored by Accenture, U.S. Bank, T. Rowe Price, Brex
    and Walmart. Tickets start at $2,499 and you must pass an application
    process to attend. The Lincoln Center is a 16.3-acre complex in
    Manhattan with multiple venues. The Appel Room is a luxurious theater
    seating 483 people. Behind the stage is a giant glass wall overlooking
    Manhattan.

    As of right now, Bankman-Freid is still listed as a speaker on the New
    York Times website. They have not removed him.

    https://national-conservative.com/bankman-fried-still-listed-as-speaking-with-zelensky-yellen-pence-zuckerberg-in-nyc-on-nov-30th/

      Hey - SBF was still a *big player* right up until the
      elections were over. All the weirdnesses of his biz
      were carefully overlooked ... so long as he funded
      Dem candidates. He even greased a certain percentage
      of relevant Republicans ... he WAS politically savvy,
      though in no way BUSINESS savvy. He had created
      something DESIGNED to be heavily exploited - and
      just FUCK the investors.

      IMHO this was a kamakaze biz - a political-funding
      front.

      SBF may or may NOT have fully realized this. In any
      case he was PLAYED to the bitter end. Even HRC was
      not as good at pay-2-play and money laundering as
      FTX came to be.

      Next ... I expect a wave of mysterious "suicides"
      and "accidents" amongst the FTX top staff. They
      just Know Too Much .........

    The Fried Bank Robber isn't going to jail. He didn't make the mistakes
    his predecessor as Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff made.

    1. He took great care to buy off the regime in power, acting as their
    bagman for the Ukranazistan money laundering scheme.

    2. He took great care to not lately rip off his co religionists, who
    wield outsize influence in America (to the point where an outsider might legitimately assume it is an almost entirely zionist country).

    And, of course, he must have a substantial amount of blackmail
    information about the Bidet regime's money laundering scheme.

    He's either going to be allowed to flee to a non extradition exile or
    commit suicide by a bullet to the back of the head.

    For further elucidation:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/behind-the-crypto-scam-complete-absence-of-trustworthy-financial-information-.html#more

    https://thegrayzone.com/2022/11/15/ftx-ukraine-western-aid/
    --
    "Build Back Better means Destroy More Quickly."

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter
    fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

    "C'mon man! If you didn't vote for me , you ain't black ." Joe Biden -

    "Poor children can be just as smart as White children." -- Joe Biden

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.
    Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and
    ignorance.” - George Orwell

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From governor.swill@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 14:00:58 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 23:11:09 -0500, "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net>
    wrote:

    Hey - SBF was still a *big player* right up until the
    elections were over. All the weirdnesses of his biz
    were carefully overlooked ... so long as he funded
    Dem candidates. He even greased a certain percentage
    of relevant Republicans

    Like Bernie Madoff?

    Swill
    --
    Tranny's a bad word, but I've been called way worse.
    The other day, a guy called me 'sir.' I said 'Look, buddy.
    Just because I'm trans doesn't mean I'm any less of a lady.
    He said, 'Fine. Please stop peeing on my lawn, ma'am.'"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From governor.swill@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 20:07:20 2022
    XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.politics.usa

    On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 10:37:59 -0700, Hisler <hisler@nym.hush.com>
    wrote:

    The Fried Bank Robber isn't going to jail. He didn't make the mistakes
    his predecessor as Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff made.

    1. He took great care to buy off the regime in power, acting as their
    bagman for the Ukranazistan money laundering scheme.

    2. . . . blubberblubber . . . droooool . . .

    The boy who cried "wolf".
    https://dcmp.org/media/7006-the-boy-who-cried-wolf

    The moral of the story is that liars will not be rewarded; even if
    they tell the truth, no one believes them.

    Swill
    --
    Tranny's a bad word, but I've been called way worse.
    The other day, a guy called me 'sir.' I said 'Look, buddy.
    Just because I'm trans doesn't mean I'm any less of a lady.
    He said, 'Fine. Please stop peeing on my lawn, ma'am.'"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)