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  • .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated

    From Oli@21:3/102 to All on Mon Dec 14 20:46:10 2020
    The Tor project will start removing support for version 2 Onion services (aka Hidden Service) from July 15th, 2021. https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline

    I'm using a v2 .onion address for my node, which is 16 characters long and can be put in a user flag (which are limited to 32 chars): ....,U,ON2:boqbccnwyumttwvh

    The newer version 3 addresses are 56 characters long (without the .onion), e.g.:
    fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion

    I wonder what the best way to list v3 Onion addresses. Would it be acceptable to put the address in a new flag or is it too long for the nodelist? We could use O?? flags that mirror the I?? flags, like

    OBN:fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion

    and/or
    ONA:fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion,OBN,OFC

    and/or distribute it as a separate list in binkd format:
    node 21:9/999@fsxnet fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Oli on Mon Dec 14 11:56:02 2020
    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: Oli to All on Mon Dec 14 2020 08:46 pm

    ONA:fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion,OBN,OFC

    and/or distribute it as a separate list in binkd format:
    node 21:9/999@fsxnet fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion

    I don't know what the nodelist restrictions are but that looks too long for the




















































    nodelist. The simplest option would be a separate list in binkd format that nodes could import.

    Actually it's not too long, but.. you know..

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to All on Tue Dec 15 08:29:32 2020
    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: Oli to All on Mon Dec 14 2020 08:46 pm

    Howdy,

    I wonder what the best way to list v3 Onion addresses. Would it be
    acceptable to put the address in a new flag or is it too long for the nodelist?




















































    We could use O?? flags that mirror the I?? flags, like
    OBN:fsx5wsikeq5tdj5gx7wimf53ub2krglm5brfzz6nbvbwywzhg6za.onion
    and/or distribute it as a separate list in binkd format:

    I actually prefer the first format (with the OBN flag), ie: a single file with all the info. From this file, folks can write a script to extract whatever is required for binkd (or other mailers).

    ...лоеп

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to deon on Tue Dec 15 20:30:46 2020
    deon wrote (2020-12-15):

    I actually prefer the first format (with the OBN flag), ie: a single file with all the info. From this file, folks can write a script to extract whatever is required for binkd (or other mailers).

    I agree. It's easier to keep a single file in sync than two or more files. Maybe we could try it and see if any software has some problem with this flag. From FTS-5001.005:

    For compatibility with certain broken segment processors, nodelist
    maintainers should limit all lines to at most 157 characters (plus
    terminator). It is very likely this limitation will be removed in
    the future, therefore future software implementations should be able
    to process lines of up to 1024 characters, and individual fields of
    up to 255 characters (unless otherwise specified).

    and

    B. History
    ----------
    Rev.5, 2014-01-23 "must" replaced by "should" on 157 char limit.


    Is anyone in this net is using a "certain broken segment processor"? ;)

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Oli on Wed Dec 16 10:50:18 2020
    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: Oli to deon on Tue Dec 15 2020 08:30 pm

    Is anyone in this net is using a "certain broken segment processor"? ;)

    Or is anyone using a nodelist processor?

    I dont think modern mailers use it these days? I know in my BBS environment, Synchronet, binkd they are not using a nodelist for anything.

    Makenl might not like it - but that is (semi) actively updated these days, so the maintainers may be up for fixing something if it breaks using this new code.

    I'll put you in my segment with the OBN flag, and we'll see what happens hey? ;)

    ...лоеп

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Oli on Wed Dec 16 10:54:30 2020
    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: deon to Oli on Wed Dec 16 2020 10:50 am

    I'll put you in my segment with the OBN flag, and we'll see what happens
    hey? ;)

    So I put you in, and makenl didnt complain...

    Not sure if Avon is updating from my segmenet yet though...

    ...лоеп

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deon on Wed Dec 16 13:26:24 2020
    On 16 Dec 2020 at 10:54a, deon pondered and said...

    So I put you in, and makenl didnt complain...

    Not sure if Avon is updating from my segmenet yet though...

    Trying to follow along while Christmas crazy keeps me focused on non bbs
    stuff :(

    I'm not (sorry) but have plans to do so once I get the Linux box running. I'm hoping to progress that over the Christmas break.

    I am taking your segment and manually adding it to the ctl I use to produce
    the nodelist :)

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to deon on Wed Dec 16 12:15:08 2020
    deon wrote (2020-12-16):

    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: deon to Oli on Wed Dec 16 2020 10:50 am

    I'll put you in my segment with the OBN flag, and we'll see what
    happens hey? ;)

    So I put you in, and makenl didnt complain...

    but you don't have my v3 address. My nodelist also wouldn't exceed 157 characters even with the long onion v3 address.

    Should OBN be Tor/Onion only or could it be used for other overlay network addresses, e.g. i2p (somehash.b32.i2p)? If it's reserved for Onion addresses we


















































    could omit the .onion, but would need flags for other overlay networks.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to deon on Wed Dec 16 07:08:00 2020
    deon wrote to Oli <=-

    I dont think modern mailers use it these days? I know in my BBS environment, Synchronet, binkd they are not using a nodelist for
    anything.

    BinkIT, Synchronet's mailer, uses the ASCII distribution nodelist,
    not a processed/compiled version. Nodelists are small enough and
    BBSes fast enough that I don't see the benefits of a binary formatted
    nodelist over reading raw text.

    Wasn't a lot of the functionality in compiled nodelists including
    per-BBS long-distance cost tables into the list?

    When the Fido nodelist was 25,000 nodes and I was running Frontdoor
    on a 286, definitely...



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Dec 17 13:46:00 2020
    On 12-16-20 07:08, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to deon <=-

    BinkIT, Synchronet's mailer, uses the ASCII distribution nodelist,
    not a processed/compiled version. Nodelists are small enough and
    BBSes fast enough that I don't see the benefits of a binary formatted
    nodelist over reading raw text.

    These days, we'd have enough processing power to translate the nodelist into Klingon and back,for any processing needed. :)

    Wasn't a lot of the functionality in compiled nodelists including
    per-BBS long-distance cost tables into the list?

    Yes, I remember having to tweak my cost tables to suit my location, then compiling that into the nodelist.

    When the Fido nodelist was 25,000 nodes and I was running Frontdoor
    on a 286, definitely...

    I started out on an XT, so compiling the nodelist into a binary form was a definite advantage! :)


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Oli on Thu Dec 17 17:15:36 2020
    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: Oli to deon on Wed Dec 16 2020 12:15 pm

    but you don't have my v3 address. My nodelist also wouldn't exceed 157
    characters even with the long onion v3 address.

    Oh, I thought you posted that the other day...

    OK, I'll remove it.

    ...лоеп

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Dec 17 17:17:30 2020
    Re: Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to deon on Wed Dec 16 2020 07:08 am

    BinkIT, Synchronet's mailer, uses the ASCII distribution nodelist,
    not a processed/compiled version. Nodelists are small enough and

    Oh, I didnt think it used any...

    Everything is in echo config (or DNS)?

    ...лоеп

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to deon on Thu Dec 17 09:24:28 2020
    deon wrote (2020-12-17):

    Re: .onion v2 addresses will be deprecated
    By: Oli to deon on Wed Dec 16 2020 12:15 pm

    but you don't have my v3 address. My nodelist also wouldn't exceed
    157 characters even with the long onion v3 address.

    Oh, I thought you posted that the other day...

    This was meant as an example address.

    OK, I'll remove it.

    I have sent you my real address via netmail. Sorry for the confusion ...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to deon on Thu Dec 17 06:44:00 2020
    deon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Oh, I didnt think it used any...

    Everything is in echo config (or DNS)?

    Yes, in echocfg you configure nodelists under "domains".



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