Re: jsexec fails unless node1 directory exists
By: Rob Swindell to GitLab note in main/sbbs on Tue Feb 02 2021 10:59 am

When setting msglist.js as the List Messages module, would it be possible to use DDMessageReader to read messages full screen?

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: nolageek to Rob Swindell on Wed Feb 03 2021 05:08 pm

Re: jsexec fails unless node1 directory exists
By: Rob Swindell to GitLab note in main/sbbs on Tue Feb 02 2021 10:59 am

When setting msglist.js as the List Messages module, would it be possible to use DDMessageReader to read messages full screen?

Oh, I suppose someone could tweak msglist.js to support that. Doesn't like it's out of the question. But if you're using DDMessageReader, why wouldn't you use DDMessageLister (or whatever its called) too?
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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Digital Man to nolageek on Wed Feb 03 2021 08:19 pm

Oh, I suppose someone could tweak msglist.js to support that. Doesn't like it's out of the question. But if you're using DDMessageReader, why wouldn't you use DDMessageLister (or whatever its called) too?

There is no separate DDMsgLister. There's just DDMsgReader. My reader has both a message list mode and a scrollable reader for when you're reading a message.

Years ago, I called my reader a "lister", as it only started out in the message list (but it also let you read messages too). As its functionality expanded a bit, I decided to call it a "reader" instead. There has never been both a separate DDMsgReader and DDMsgLister though.

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Digital Man to nolageek on Wed Feb 03 2021 08:19 pm

When setting msglist.js as the List Messages module, would it be
possible to
use DDMessageReader to read messages full screen?

Oh, I suppose someone could tweak msglist.js to support that. Doesn't like it's out of the question. But if you're using DDMessageReader, why wouldn't you use DDMessageLister (or whatever its called) too?

Just providing options to users. Honestly, I like your lister but the navigation of DDMesageReader (L/R arrows to go to next/prev messages, etc)

I mod my DDMessage reader and msglist a bit, so wanted to see if anything was built in before I figure out how to do it myself. :) (Also, if it's baked in that means I dont have to re-do it everytime a new update comes out. lol)

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: nolageek to Digital Man on Wed Feb 03 2021 11:53 pm

Just providing options to users. Honestly, I like your lister but the navigation of DDMesageReader (L/R arrows to go to next/prev messages, etc)

I mod my DDMessage reader and msglist a bit, so wanted to see if anything was built in before I figure out how to do it myself. :) (Also, if it's baked in that means I dont have to re-do it everytime a new update comes out. lol)

If you ever have anything you'd like to see in DDMsgReader, you can always make a suggestion.

And as you said, if it's a standard feature, you don't have to re-apply your mod whenever a new version comes out.

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Nightfox to nolageek on Thu Feb 04 2021 08:27 am

If you ever have anything you'd like to see in DDMsgReader, you can always make a suggestion.

Nightfox

This might be a bit of a thread hijack, but I think it's somewhat related. I'm coming over from Mystic to Synchronet, and admittedly getting my butt kicked a bit with the learning curve.

Anyway, the main thing I'm trying to emulate a bit is Mystic's Indexed Message Reader... It's an arrow/esc key graphical message lister, but also an area/group browser as well. When it opens, you see a full list of all message areas, categorized by group (network), along with all the unread message counts and whatnot. When you select one of them using arrows and enter, you are then in a graphical message lister for that area. Hit esc to go back up to the all-area list.

I've played with DDmsgReader and msglist, but it seems that I have to use the standard menu system to select the area first, then I can invoke the external message lister.

Any way to get what I'm after? Am I misconfiguring or misunderstanding?


Thanks,
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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 02:54 pm

Any way to get what I'm after? Am I misconfiguring or misunderstanding?

I may have partially answered my own question. I had gone back to testing msglist for some parts, and wasn't using DDMsgReader for the list, just for other parts. So I had a mix of both.

So... it seems like I can browse the areas with (C)hg Area. Not as intuitive as Esc for non-bbs users, but livable.

But the part I'm struggling with is how to launch into the (C)hg Area list immediately from the Syncronet menu. I'll go back to the docs and see if I can figure it out.


Thanks,
Andre

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Nightfox to nolageek on Thu Feb 04 2021 08:27 am

Just providing options to users. Honestly, I like your lister but
the navigation of DDMesageReader (L/R arrows to go to next/prev
I mod my DDMessage reader and msglist a bit, so wanted to see if
anything was built in before I figure out how to do it myself. :)

If you ever have anything you'd like to see in DDMsgReader, you can always make a suggestion.

The main one I do is have it prepend the user's selected command shell name to the configuration files, like default-DDMsgReader.cfg, and then use appropriately named default-areaChgHeader.ans and default-theme.cfg files. That way each of my shellss can have different colors/fonts/text, etc.. If that's not found, it uses the stock files.

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 02:54 pm

Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Nightfox to nolageek on Thu Feb 04 2021 08:27 am

If you ever have anything you'd like to see in DDMsgReader, you can always make a suggestion.

Nightfox

This might be a bit of a thread hijack, but I think it's somewhat related. I'm coming over from Mystic to Synchronet, and admittedly getting my butt kicked a bit with the learning curve.

Anyway, the main thing I'm trying to emulate a bit is Mystic's Indexed Message Reader... It's an arrow/esc key graphical message lister, but also an area/group browser as well. When it opens, you see a full list of all message areas, categorized by group (network), along with all the unread message counts and whatnot. When you select one of them using arrows and enter, you are then in a graphical message lister for that area. Hit esc to go back up to the all-area list.

I've played with DDmsgReader and msglist, but it seems that I have to use the standard menu system to select the area first, then I can invoke the external message lister.

Any way to get what I'm after? Am I misconfiguring or misunderstanding?

This may be what you're looking for: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/DDAreaChoosers
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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 02:54 pm

I've played with DDmsgReader and msglist, but it seems that I have to use the standard menu system to select the area first, then I can invoke the external message lister.

Any way to get what I'm after? Am I misconfiguring or misunderstanding?

DDMsgReader does have a built-in area chooser, but currently there isn't an option to start out that way. You can change to a different area from the message list or reader from within the reader though.

I have a stand-alone area choosers mod that provides a lightbar area chooser for the message & file areas:
https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/DDAreaChoosers

My DDMsgReader has the same lightbar interface for changing areas from within the reader.

Since I have my separate area choosers, the way I have mine set up is to use my lightbar area choosers to choose an area, and to use my DDMsgReader for message reading/listing.

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 03:09 pm

So... it seems like I can browse the areas with (C)hg Area. Not as intuitive as Esc for non-bbs users, but livable.

But the part I'm struggling with is how to launch into the (C)hg Area list immediately from the Syncronet menu. I'll go back to the docs and see if I can figure it out.

That's not currently supported by DDMsgReader. But referring to my previous reply, my stand-alone area choosers can be used to provide a lightbar area chooser interface from your menu:
https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/DDAreaChoosers

Nightfox

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: nolageek to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 08:11 pm

The main one I do is have it prepend the user's selected command shell name to the configuration files, like default-DDMsgReader.cfg, and then use appropriately named default-areaChgHeader.ans and default-theme.cfg files. That way each of my shellss can have different colors/fonts/text, etc.. If that's not found, it uses the stock files.

I can see if I have some time to implement hat.

Nightfox

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Andre wrote to Nightfox <=-

I may have partially answered my own question. I had gone back to
testing msglist for some parts, and wasn't using DDMsgReader for
the list, just for other parts. So I had a mix of both.

So... it seems like I can browse the areas with (C)hg Area. Not
as intuitive as Esc for non-bbs users, but livable.

But the part I'm struggling with is how to launch into the (C)hg
Area list immediately from the Syncronet menu. I'll go back to
the docs and see if I can figure it out.

Use DDAreaChoosers.



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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 03:09 pm

But the part I'm struggling with is how to launch into the (C)hg Area list immediately from the Syncronet menu. I'll go back to the docs and see if I can figure it out.

I believe you're looking for J for Jump to conference - you'll want to use the DDMessageReader with the -chooseAreaFirst option in your menu.

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 02:54 pm

Anyway, the main thing I'm trying to emulate a bit is Mystic's Indexed Message Reader... It's an arrow/esc key graphical message lister, but also an area/group browser as well. When it opens, you see a full list of all

Also, yes the Mystic Indexed Message Reader is really nice and intuitive. WOuld love to see something like that ported to synchronet.

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: nolageek to Andre on Thu Feb 04 2021 09:13 pm

Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 02:54 pm

Anyway, the main thing I'm trying to emulate a bit is Mystic's Indexed Message Reader... It's an arrow/esc key graphical message lister, but also an area/group browser as well. When it opens, you see a full list of all

Also, yes the Mystic Indexed Message Reader is really nice and intuitive. WOuld love to see something like that ported to synchronet.

I think msglist.js is a good start.
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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 02:54 pm

Any way to get what I'm after? Am I misconfiguring or misunderstanding?

This may be what you're looking for: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/DDAreaChoosers
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Thanks for the reply, along with the similar reply from others (including the author). msglist also has some solid features.

For the last hour or so I've been thinking, "I don't think I really need all
of what Synchronet offers, so why try to reinvent the wheel since I love Mystic's menu and mail reader UI so much?"

So I went back to Mystic's website and wiki to do a little comparison
research. And I was reminded how much more robust sync's documentation is. So
I started doing some web searches to get my question answered and ended up on... the Vertrauen website? <light bulb goes off>

So while I'm griping about how some friends of mine will struggle too much
with the message reading on sync, I point my browser at my own BBS. Aaaand, there's a website already setup for my BBS with the message base.

Welp, guess that solves that problem.


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Re: Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Digital Man on Fri Feb 05 2021 06:29 am

For the last hour or so I've been thinking, "I don't think I really need all of what Synchronet offers, so why try to reinvent the wheel since I love Mystic's menu and mail reader UI so much?"

So I went back to Mystic's website and wiki to do a little comparison research. And I was reminded how much more robust sync's documentation is.

I'm not going to blow feathers up digital man's ass by saying this, and I know some will say I am, but Synchronet is a rock solid implementation of an Internet-based BBS software. Mystic is a good BBS software and some of its implementations for FTN and QWK networking are pretty good, but I have yet to see something more solid than Synchronet.

Going back 30+ years, I left Wildcat! for Synchronet as I saw a software that was continously developed and would adopt the recommendations from its users. Mystic's developer, is a great guy, and he is damn good at what he does, but I also feel that Mystic is kind of "bolted" together and not a seamless product.

Oh, and one more thing, you'll never get the level of snark from the developer of Mystic as you would from Rob (digital man) when he tells you to RTFM and provides you a link to the documentation. (personal experiences aside)

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Digital Man to nolageek on Thu Feb 04 2021 09:45 pm

I think msglist.js is a good start.

It definately is. I really appreciate the work put into it - I've been using it recently and I love being able to read the message via the preview. Good stuff.

I'm just starting to go over a lot of the additions to synchronet from the past 6 months alone to incorporate them in my custom shell or replace some hacks I've used in the past that are now baked in. Constantly floored by how much work gets put into synchronet!

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: nolageek to Digital Man on Fri Feb 05 2021 10:14 am

DM,

Could you add an sample [msglist] section in modopts.ini or on the wiki? I tried to add them from the table on the current wiki page and I dont know if it's my syntax (what goes in quotes and what shouldn't) or what, but it really messed up the display after I saved it. For example the Preview seperator just displayed xC4 (with the slash prefix) in a never ending loop until I hung up.

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Re: msglist modopts.ini
By: nolageek to Digital Man on Fri Feb 05 2021 12:22 pm

Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: nolageek to Digital Man on Fri Feb 05 2021 10:14 am

DM,

Could you add an sample [msglist] section in modopts.ini or on the wiki? I tried to add them from the table on the current wiki page and I dont know if it's my syntax (what goes in quotes and what shouldn't) or what, but it really messed up the display after I saved it. For example the Preview seperator just displayed xC4 (with the slash prefix) in a never ending loop until I hung up.

To add string literals (where the \x character escape sequence would be recognized), you need to use the colon separator (not equals):
https://wiki.synchro.net/config:ini_files#string_literals

e.g.

[msglist]
preview_separator: \xC4

If you need to use leading or trailing white-space, you'll need to to enclose the string in quotes, e.g.

preview_lines_fmt: " lines %u-%u"
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Re: Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Dream Master to Andre on Fri Feb 05 2021 08:34 am

I'm not going to blow feathers up digital man's ass by saying this, and I know some will say I am, but Synchronet is a rock solid implementation of an Internet-based BBS software. Mystic is a good BBS software and some of its implementations for FTN and QWK networking are pretty good, but I have yet to see something more solid than Synchronet.

Wow, Something I actually agree with you on :)
I run a Synchronet BBS and a Mystic BBS, I love both but I will agree Synchronet is more robust.
Mystic I run on a PI III, I do have synchronet set up on a PI sd card and it works great but I like the synchronet windows dashboard better.
Plus I run Synchronet on a win 32 bit fanless thin client with 500 GB HD.
Love to tinker with both Synchronet and Mystic.

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Re: Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Denn to Dream Master on Fri Feb 05 2021 10:20 pm

Wow, Something I actually agree with you on :)

There is nothing wrong with that. An intelligent discourse between individuals is what makes this country great. Plus, I love a good debate. :)
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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Nightfox to Andre on Thu Feb 04 2021 06:54 pm

That's not currently supported by DDMsgReader. But referring to my previous reply, my stand-alone area choosers can be used to provide a lightbar area chooser interface from your menu: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/DDAreaChoosers

I'm seeing that if I have an current area chosen that exceeds the number of available areas in a different group, the selector lightbar ends up in that position and is invisible until you up-arrow a bit.

For example, I'm currently in DOVE-Net group and the Sync Sysops area. That's area #18. If I invoke DDAreaChoosers and choose fsxNet, there are only 15 possible area choices. So the selector lightbar is invisble down at a non-existent #18. If I up-arrow a few times then I'll be at #15, which is a valid selection, and the selection bar appears.

If you agree that this is normal, and not just something I'm doing wrong, can you point me in the right direction for a fix? Maybe something isn't working around line 489-501 in DDMsgAreaChooser.js?

Andre

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 07:48 pm

I'm seeing that if I have an current area chosen that exceeds the number of available areas in a different group, the selector lightbar ends up in that position and is invisible until you up-arrow a bit.

For example, I'm currently in DOVE-Net group and the Sync Sysops area. That's area #18. If I invoke DDAreaChoosers and choose fsxNet, there are only 15 possible area choices. So the selector lightbar is invisble down at a non-existent #18. If I up-arrow a few times then I'll be at #15, which is a valid selection, and the selection bar appears.

If you agree that this is normal, and not just something I'm doing wrong, can you point me in the right direction for a fix? Maybe something isn't working around line 489-501 in DDMsgAreaChooser.js?

I just tried it, and I'm not seeing that issue in DDMsgAreaChooser. I do see it in DDMsgReader though, so I'll note that as something to fix.

In DDMsgAreaChooser, I tried choosing a high-numbered message area in FidoNet (which has a lot of areas), then trying a smaller message area and it starts the lightbar at the 1st sub-board.

Nightfox

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Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 07:48 pm

I just tried it, and I'm not seeing that issue in DDMsgAreaChooser. I do see it in DDMsgReader though, so I'll note that as something to fix.

In DDMsgAreaChooser, I tried choosing a high-numbered message area in FidoNet (which has a lot of areas), then trying a smaller message area and it starts the lightbar at the 1st sub-board.

Here's what I'm seeing. Thoughts?

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AoUTrMGuFbsnhvIPfkO2EMa8u84qzQ?e=DOfXtr


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Re: Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 10:51 am

Here's what I'm seeing. Thoughts?

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AoUTrMGuFbsnhvIPfkO2EMa8u84qzQ?e=DOfXtr

Yeah, I was able to reproduce that in my reader. When I have some time, I can look into it and make a fix.

Nightfox

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Yeah, I was able to reproduce that in my reader. When I have some time, I can look into it and make a fix.

I'm happy to take a stab at it if you point me in the right direction. But I understand if that's more effort than just doing the fix yourself.


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Re: Re: msglist and DDMsgReader playing together
By: Andre to Nightfox on Mon Feb 08 2021 07:31 am

Yeah, I was able to reproduce that in my reader. When I have some
time, I can look into it and make a fix.

I'm happy to take a stab at it if you point me in the right direction. But I understand if that's more effort than just doing the fix yourself.

Last night I made a change that should fix the issue, and it looks like my change was merged.

Nightfox

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