I tried several things, reading a lot of documents but can't get fidonet (NL hub) working.

Can someone help me? I'm willing to give a small donation for your time and expertise.
HAWKEYE

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I tried several things, reading a lot of documents but can't get
fidonet (NL hub) working.

I have synchronet setup as a point with my node running binkd and it
works wonderfully. My SBBS setup is running binkit.

Can someone help me? I'm willing to give a small donation for your
time and expertise.

Probably a small problem and no donations will be needed, we just need to
find out what the problem is then we can work out a solution.

What is or is not happening on your node?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: RE: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Al to Hawkeye on Fri Nov 29 2019 21:47:00

I tried several things, reading a lot of documents but can't get
fidonet (NL hub) working.

I have synchronet setup as a point with my node running binkd and it
works wonderfully. My SBBS setup is running binkit.

I emailed with the Dutch fidonet hub and he sees my request comming in. He send
me a test netmail but I dont receive/see it:

10/31 12:15:02a 2028 BINKP Remote addresses: 2:280/5555@fidonet 2:28/0@fidonet
10/31 12:15:03a 2028 BINKP Receiving file: C:\sbbs\temp\Z2DAILY.304 (158.0KB)
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Received file: C:\sbbs\temp\Z2DAILY.304 (158.0KB)
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Non-secure session type: 'non-secure'
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Moving 'C:\sbbs\temp\Z2DAILY.304' to 'c:\binkd\inbound\Z2DAILY.304'.
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Receiving file: C:\sbbs\temp\AV07CB02.TIC (0.8KB)
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Received file: C:\sbbs\temp\AV07CB02.TIC (0.8KB)
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Non-secure session type: 'non-secure'
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Moving 'C:\sbbs\temp\AV07CB02.TIC' to 'c:\binkd\inbound\AV07CB02.TIC'.
10/31 12:15:06a 2028 BINKP service thread terminated (0 clients remain, 0 total, 1 served)
10/31 06:55:23a 2500 WS connection accepted from: 202.29.57.103 port 32766
10/31 06:55:25a 2500 WS service thread terminated (0 clients remain, 0 total, 1 served)

Can someone help me? I'm willing to give a small donation for your
time and expertise.

Probably a small problem and no donations will be needed, we just need to find out what the problem is then we can work out a solution.

Thanks Al. I don't want anyone to pressure. The problem is the dutch fidonet hub doesnt work with the files mentioned in the guide for installing fidonet on
sbbs.

I can imagine it is something small... but what?

What is or is not happening on your node?
Ttyl :-),

let me know if I need to share settings here.

Al

Thanks for thinking with me.
HAWKEYE

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to All on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:43 pm

I tried several things, reading a lot of documents but can't get fidonet

(NL

hub) working.

Can someone help me?

If you provide more details about the problem(s) you're having, I'm sure we could.

digital man

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I tried several things, reading a lot of documents but can't
get fidonet (NL hub) working.

I emailed with the Dutch fidonet hub and he sees my request comming
in. He send me a test netmail but I dont receive/see it:

I don't see a netmail in this session but you did get a nodelist along
with a tic.

10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Received file:
C:\sbbs\temp\Z2DAILY.304 (158.0KB)
10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Non-secure session type:
'non-secure' 10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Moving 'C:\sbbs\temp\Z2DAILY.304' to 'c:\binkd\inbound\Z2DAILY.304'.

I also see "Non-secure" session. Do you have a password setup with your
hub? The Areafix, Packet and Tic passwords are not case sensitive, but
the session password is so make sure you have entered the session
password using the same case as your link.

I can see from your log that your binkp (BinkIT) server is up and
running and receiving files, so that's good.

When you need to send net or echomail to your link the binkout and/or
binkpoll events will do that. Your hub may not toss incoming echomail
from his unsecure inbound so I would double check your session password
if you have one with that link.

You can use tickit to toss incoming files into your filebase if you like
and in the case of nodelists extract the nodelist and import it into your
setup for your mailer to use and also a nodelist browser.

http://wiki.synchro.net/module:tickit http://wiki.synchro.net/module:fido-nodelist-browser

I'm going to send a netmail directly to your node in a few minutes, just
as a test.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: RE: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Al on Sat Nov 30 2019 11:39 am

10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Non-secure session type: 'non-secure'

You dont have a secure session, so that may be the reason you are not getting mail.
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Re: RE: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Alterego to Hawkeye on Sun Dec 01 2019 09:12:10

10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Non-secure session type: 'non-secure'

You dont have a secure session, so that may be the reason you are not

The hub sysop said they dont use secure... so how should I make it secure while
they dont support it?
HAWKEYE

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Digital Man to Hawkeye on Sat Nov 30 2019 13:34:59

If you provide more details about the problem(s) you're having, I'm sure we could.

I posted logfiles with it. I dont know what the exact problem is, difficult to describe. the sysop of the fidonet hub wrote me the netmail is sent but I cant read it. The packages arrived.

I saw another tip the session is non-secure and this would be a reason it's not
working but the hub said they dont use secure. In his instructions he mentioned
specific to enable non-secure sessions.

maybe I can email the mail from him to you? it's partly in Dutch but the logfiles are ofcourse in English.

thanks for thinking with me.
HAWKEYE

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Hello Hawkeye,

On Monday December 02 2019 13:12, you wrote to Digital Man:

I saw another tip the session is non-secure and this would be a reason it's not working but the hub said they dont use secure.

1) I am not your hub, I am your NC.

2) "They" use secure for regular links. However as a nodelisted Fidonet sysop you should be able to receive netmail from nodes with which you do not have a password protected link. So that is why I wanted to test that first. The link works. The *.pkt with the netmail was transfered from my system to your's. As I told you, I can not help you with the rest as I am totally unfamiliar with synchronet and what comes with it.

In his instructions he mentioned specific to enable non-secure
sessions.

Which has nothing to do with your inability to process the *.pkt I send you.

To All: Please help Hawkeye find his (un)secue inbound and guide him to the steps to process the *.pkts found there.


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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Mon Dec 02 2019 01:12 pm

I saw another tip the session is non-secure and this would be a reason it's not working but the hub said they dont use secure. In his instructions he mentioned specific to enable non-secure sessions.

I think you (or your hub) is confusing security with encryption. They are, in this context, two different things.

digital man

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Re: RE: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Alterego on Mon Dec 02 2019 01:00 pm

Re: RE: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Alterego to Hawkeye on Sun Dec 01 2019 09:12:10

10/31 12:15:05a 2028 BINKP Non-secure session type: 'non-secure'

You dont have a secure session, so that may be the reason you are not

The hub sysop said they dont use secure... so how should I make it secure while they dont support it?

"Secure" in this context just mean authenticated (not necessarily encrypted). I'm pretty sure your hub supports BINKP authentication.

digital man

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Mon Dec 02 2019 01:12 pm

Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Digital Man to Hawkeye on Sat Nov 30 2019 13:34:59

If you provide more details about the problem(s) you're having, I'm sure we could.

I posted logfiles with it. I dont know what the exact problem is, difficult to describe. the sysop of the fidonet hub wrote me the netmail is sent but cant read it. The packages arrived.

The log I saw you posted here showed you receiving 2 files via BINKP, neither of which was a packet.

Do you have log entries which show you receiving a packet (*.pkt file)? Have you looked for that/those files on your file system?

digital man

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Hello Digital,

On Monday December 02 2019 10:00, you wrote to Hawkeye:

Do you have log entries which show you receiving a packet (*.pkt
file)? Have you looked for that/those files on your file system?

- 14:34 [1920] SYS MASH BBS
- 14:34 [1920] ZYZ Hawkeye
- 14:34 [1920] LOC Maastricht, NL
- 14:34 [1920] NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
- 14:34 [1920] TIME Wed Oct 30 2019 14:34:22 GMT+0100
- 14:34 [1920] VER BinkIT/2.14,JSBinkP/1.112,sbbs3.17b/Win32 binkp/1.1
+ 14:34 [1920] addr: 2:280/311@fidonet
+ 14:34 [1920] sending \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt as db9911a0.pkt (421)
+ 14:34 [1920] sent: \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt (421, 421.00 CPS, 2:280/311@fidonet)
+ 14:34 [1920] done (to 2:280/311@fidonet, OK, S/R: 1/0 (421/0 bytes))
14:34 [1920] session closed, quitting...


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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Digital Man on Mon Dec 02 2019 07:17 pm

Hello Digital,

On Monday December 02 2019 10:00, you wrote to Hawkeye:

Do you have log entries which show you receiving a packet (*.pkt
file)? Have you looked for that/those files on your file system?

- 14:34 [1920] SYS MASH BBS
- 14:34 [1920] ZYZ Hawkeye
- 14:34 [1920] LOC Maastricht, NL
- 14:34 [1920] NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
- 14:34 [1920] TIME Wed Oct 30 2019 14:34:22 GMT+0100
- 14:34 [1920] VER BinkIT/2.14,JSBinkP/1.112,sbbs3.17b/Win32 binkp/1.1
+ 14:34 [1920] addr: 2:280/311@fidonet
+ 14:34 [1920] sending \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt as db9911a0.pkt (421)
+ 14:34 [1920] sent: \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt (421, 421.00 CPS, 2:280/311@fidonet)
+ 14:34 [1920] done (to 2:280/311@fidonet, OK, S/R: 1/0 (421/0 bytes))
14:34 [1920] session closed, quitting...

Thanks. I guess at least he could look for the existence of that particular .pkt filename on his file system, unless packet filenames are renamed in-flight. I don't recall if they are.

digital man

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Digital Man on Mon Dec 02 2019 19:17:41

- 14:34 [1920] SYS MASH BBS
- 14:34 [1920] ZYZ Hawkeye
- 14:34 [1920] LOC Maastricht, NL
- 14:34 [1920] NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
- 14:34 [1920] TIME Wed Oct 30 2019 14:34:22 GMT+0100
- 14:34 [1920] VER BinkIT/2.14,JSBinkP/1.112,sbbs3.17b/Win32 binkp/1.1
+ 14:34 [1920] addr: 2:280/311@fidonet
+ 14:34 [1920] sending \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt as db9911a0.pkt (421)
+ 14:34 [1920] sent: \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt (421, 421.00 CPS, 2:280/311@fidonet)
+ 14:34 [1920] done (to 2:280/311@fidonet, OK, S/R: 1/0 (421/0 bytes)) 14:34 [1920] session closed, quitting...

Ok, See that you sent OUT a pkt, but you did not Receive one.
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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Lupine Furmen to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Dec 03 2019 12:54:05

Ok, See that you sent OUT a pkt, but you did not Receive one.

Please disregard. I see now that you are his uplink. Not the one with the problems. Should have looked closer at who the message was from.
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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Digital Man to Hawkeye on Mon Dec 02 2019 10:00:22

The log I saw you posted here showed you receiving 2 files via BINKP, neither of which was a packet.
Do you have log entries which show you receiving a packet (*.pkt file)? Have you looked for that/those files on your file system?

I searched for .PKT and I found several.

directories c:\binkd\inbound and c:\sbbs\temp

Thanks.
HAWKEYE

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Digital Man to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Dec 02 2019 13:21:39

(421) + 14:34 [1920] sent: \FIDO\OUTBOUND\db9911a0.pkt (421, 421.00

Thanks. I guess at least he could look for the existence of that particular .pkt filename on his file system, unless packet filenames are renamed in-flight. I don't recall if they are.

I find this file in c:\binkd\inbound it's still there. 421 bytes
HAWKEYE

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Tue Dec 24 2019 02:57 pm

Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Digital Man to Hawkeye on Mon Dec 02 2019 10:00:22

The log I saw you posted here showed you receiving 2 files via BINKP, neither of which was a packet.
Do you have log entries which show you receiving a packet (*.pkt

file)?

Have you looked for that/those files on your file system?

I searched for .PKT and I found several.

directories c:\binkd\inbound and c:\sbbs\temp

Is "c:\binkd\inbound" listed in your sbbsecho.ini file?

digital man

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Tue Dec 24 2019 02:57 pm

Is "c:\binkd\inbound" listed in your sbbsecho.ini file?

Yes I checked :
Inbound = c:\binkd\inbound\
Outbound = c:\binkd\outbound\
SecureInbound = c:\sbbs\fido\inbound

Or should I change that SecureInboud to c:\binkd\inbound\ ?

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Sat Jan 18 2020 19:01:16

Is "c:\binkd\inbound" listed in your sbbsecho.ini file?

Yes I checked :
Inbound = c:\binkd\inbound\
Outbound = c:\binkd\outbound\
SecureInbound = c:\sbbs\fido\inbound

Or should I change that SecureInboud to c:\binkd\inbound\ ?

do not make secure and unsecure inbounds the same...

are your binkd inbounds specified the same as the above sbbsecho ones?


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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Sat Jan 18 2020 07:01 pm

Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Tue Dec 24 2019 02:57 pm

Is "c:\binkd\inbound" listed in your sbbsecho.ini file?

Yes I checked :
Inbound = c:\binkd\inbound\
Outbound = c:\binkd\outbound\
SecureInbound = c:\sbbs\fido\inbound

Or should I change that SecureInboud to c:\binkd\inbound\ ?

Your secure and non-secure inbound directories should not be the *same* directory.

digital man

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Sat Jan 18 2020 07:01 pm

Your secure and non-secure inbound directories should not be the *same* directory.

They are not the same... so I don't get the answer...

Inbound = c:\binkd\inbound\
SecureInbound = c:\sbbs\fido\inbound

What should I do now?

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Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Mon Jan 20 2020 06:16 pm

Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Sat Jan 18 2020 07:01 pm

Your secure and non-secure inbound directories should not be the *same* directory.

They are not the same... so I don't get the answer...

Inbound = c:\binkd\inbound\
SecureInbound = c:\sbbs\fido\inbound

What should I do now?

So searching back through the thread, you earlier stated tihs:

I searched for .PKT and I found several.

directories c:\binkd\inbound and c:\sbbs\temp

That means that you're receiving .pkt files in your non-secure inbound directory. Is this what you're expecting? Normally, only netmail packets from nodes that you don't have a formal relationship should be received into your non-secure inbound directory. Other packets (including all echomail) should be received in your secure inbound directory.

digital man

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I followed the youtube tutorial and I now received the test netmail !!!! So I'm
in the right track. Thanks everyone

Re: Help with SynchroNet BBS and fidonet
By: Hawkeye to Digital Man on Mon Jan 20 2020 06:16 pm

So searching back through the thread, you earlier stated tihs:

That means that you're receiving .pkt files in your non-secure inbound directory. Is this what you're expecting? Normally, only netmail packets

from

nodes that you don't have a formal relationship should be received into your non-secure inbound directory. Other packets (including all echomail) should be received in your secure inbound directory.

digital man

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