Do any of you understand how MarisaG has my Synchronet BBS setup? The web seems to be on a seperate Apache server. Anyway I just want the Web pages to from Synchronet BBS to work from where I have SBBS setup on her servers. Is it possible to do that?



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Re: Synchronet Web
By: HusTler to All on Wed Oct 30 2019 11:22 am

Do any of you understand how MarisaG has my Synchronet BBS setup? The web seems to be on a seperate Apache server. Anyway I just want the Web pages to from Synchronet BBS to work from where I have SBBS setup on her servers. Is it possible to do that?

I've never logged in and checked out your BBS setup on MarisaG's server (and I doubt many other people here have either), so I can't comment on that.. But ideally, I'd think you should be able to configure it however you want. Isn't that part of the point of being a sysop? If I were to have my BBS hosted somewhere, I'd want to be able to have remote access to it and configure it however I want. Are you unable to do that with MarisaG's hosting service?

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Re: Synchronet Web
By: HusTler to All on Wed Oct 30 2019 11:22:53

Do any of you understand how MarisaG has my Synchronet BBS setup? The web seems to be on a seperate Apache server. Anyway I just want the Web pages

to

from Synchronet BBS to work from where I have SBBS setup on her servers. Is it possible to do that?

Yes, the joomla website runs in apache. However you didn't want to use the apache at all so must have reenabled it unintentionally.

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Re: Synchronet Web
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 2019 10:51:10

configure it however I want. Are you unable to do that with MarisaG's hosting service?

Yes he does, and he always has issues when making the changes himself :/

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Re: Synchronet Web
By: Marisag to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 2019 08:11 pm

Yes, the joomla website runs in apache. However you didn't want to use the apache at all so must have reenabled it unintentionally.

How did I do that? Can it be fixed? I'm not sure why you think Synchronet BBS SysOps want a Joomila page but I for one hate Joomla. Synchronet comes with a very nice interface and can be upgraded to Webv4. Just not on your servers.



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Re: Synchronet Web
By: Marisag to Nightfox on Wed Oct 30 2019 08:14 pm

Yes he does, and he always has issues when making the changes himself :/

Just following your intructions hun.

cd /sbbs
backup_bbs
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.synchro.net:/cvsroot/sbbs
cvs update -d src 3rdp
cd /sbbs/src
./cleanall.sh RELEASE=1
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3/scfg; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/exec
cvs update -d
jsexec update

chown -R bbsowner:bbsowner /sbbs

reboot


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Re: Synchronet Web
By: Marisag to Nightfox on Wed Oct 30 2019 08:14 pm

configure it however I want. Are you unable to do that with MarisaG's hosting service?

Yes he does, and he always has issues when making the changes himself :/

I simply followed your update instructions. I'm not smart enough to do the shit you tell me I'm doing. DM tells me I need to update the BBS to get something to work I update it with your instructions. Then in BREAKS!


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Re: Synchronet Web
By: HusTler to Marisag on Thu Oct 31 2019 06:37 am

cd /sbbs
backup_bbs
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.synchro.net:/cvsroot/sbbs
cvs update -d src 3rdp
cd /sbbs/src
./cleanall.sh RELEASE=1
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3/scfg; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/exec
cvs update -d
jsexec update

chown -R bbsowner:bbsowner /sbbs

reboot

Is this the correct way to update Havens BBS or Not?? !!!!!


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Re: Synchronet Web
By: HusTler to Marisag on Thu Oct 31 2019 06:37 am

cd /sbbs
backup_bbs
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.synchro.net:/cvsroot/sbbs
cvs update -d src 3rdp
cd /sbbs/src
./cleanall.sh RELEASE=1
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3/scfg; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/exec
cvs update -d
jsexec update

chown -R bbsowner:bbsowner /sbbs

reboot

Is this the correct way to update Havens BBS or Not?? !!!!!

Seems about right, but, I don't believe you need to reboot your system after rebuilding sbbs; at least I never have

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Re: Synchronet Web
By: HusTler to Marisag on Thu Oct 31 2019 06:37 am

cd /sbbs
backup_bbs
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.synchro.net:/cvsroot/sbbs
cvs update -d src 3rdp
cd /sbbs/src
./cleanall.sh RELEASE=1
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3/scfg; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/exec
cvs update -d
jsexec update

chown -R bbsowner:bbsowner /sbbs

reboot

Is this the correct way to update Havens BBS or Not?? !!!!!

Seems about right, but, I don't believe you need to reboot your
system after rebuilding sbbs; at least I never have

He's using Ubuntu (remotely), and it may be that step is there
because it's the easiest way to get the BBS restarted (the joys of
'systemd').



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Mortifis wrote to HusTler <=-

Re: Synchronet Web
By: HusTler to Marisag on Thu Oct 31 2019 06:37 am

cd /sbbs
backup_bbs
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.synchro.net:/cvsroot/sbbs
cvs update -d src 3rdp
cd /sbbs/src
./cleanall.sh RELEASE=1
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3/scfg; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/exec
cvs update -d
jsexec update

chown -R bbsowner:bbsowner /sbbs

reboot

Is this the correct way to update Havens BBS or Not?? !!!!!

Seems about right, but, I don't believe you need to reboot your
system after rebuilding sbbs; at least I never have

He's using Ubuntu (remotely), and it may be that step is there
because it's the easiest way to get the BBS restarted (the joys of 'systemd').

Though it is not 'wrong' to reboot, it is best practice to: (From http://wiki.synchro.net/install:dev)

"Step 1
Shutdown the BBS

Stop all instances of sbbs, scfg, sbbsctrl, sbbsntsvcs, jsexec, umonitor, echocfg, etc. from running.

We want to avoid problems with copying or over-writing files that may be in-use
when BBS processes are running."

So, before you do your Step 1 (on Ubuntu)

sudo systemctl stop sbbs

... and instead of 'reboot'

sudo systemctl start sbbs

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Re: Re: Update
By: Mortifis to Gamgee on Sun Nov 03 2019 02:53 pm

He's using Ubuntu (remotely), and it may be that step is there
because it's the easiest way to get the BBS restarted (the joys of 'systemd').

I have to read all this systemd shit just to edit a startup file? I obviously bit off more then I can chew signing up for this. I have no interest in learning Ubuntu Server. I only wanted to learn and understand Synchronet BBS software. Man, I took the bait along with the hook line and sinker. I'm sure I can get all the answers I want for the right price. Thanks for everyone's input.

Havens BBS

SysOp: HusTler

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Mortifis wrote to Gamgee <=-

cd /sbbs
backup_bbs
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.synchro.net:/cvsroot/sbbs
cvs update -d src 3rdp
cd /sbbs/src
./cleanall.sh RELEASE=1
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/src/sbbs3/scfg; make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1 install
cd /sbbs/exec
cvs update -d
jsexec update

chown -R bbsowner:bbsowner /sbbs

reboot

Is this the correct way to update Havens BBS or Not?? !!!!!

Seems about right, but, I don't believe you need to reboot your
system after rebuilding sbbs; at least I never have

He's using Ubuntu (remotely), and it may be that step is there
because it's the easiest way to get the BBS restarted (the joys of 'systemd').

Though it is not 'wrong' to reboot, it is best practice to: (From http://wiki.synchro.net/install:dev)

"Step 1
Shutdown the BBS

Stop all instances of sbbs, scfg, sbbsctrl, sbbsntsvcs, jsexec,
umonitor, echocfg, etc. from running.

We want to avoid problems with copying or over-writing files that
may be in-use when BBS processes are running."

And.... this is where the Wiki entry stops...

So, before you do your Step 1 (on Ubuntu)
sudo systemctl stop sbbs
... and instead of 'reboot'
sudo systemctl start sbbs

But... the dude (Hustler) clearly doesn't know jack about using
Linux - do you think he knows how to do this? It is not covered
in the Wiki that this should be done. He doesn't even know what
'systemd' is, much less how to use it... Just sayin...


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Re: Re: Update
By: HusTler to Mortifis on Sun Nov 03 2019 05:58 pm

I have to read all this systemd shit just to edit a startup file? I obviously bit off more then I can chew signing up for this. I have no

Do yourself a favor and DO NOT edit any of the services startup files. You can turn services on and off without editing, that's all you need. Your BBS's configuration is all in the /sbbs/ctrl directory which is documented on the wiki.

Maybe if you tell us specifically what you are wanting to edit files for, we can point you in a better direction. If you're just wanting to play around with linux to better understand it, I'd suggest installing VirtualBox and installing Ubuntu as a virtual so you don't mess up your production/current working server in the process, which is much much easier to do under *nix then Windows.

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Re: Re: Update
By: HusTler to Mortifis on Sun
Nov 03 2019 05:58 pm

I have to read all this systemd shit just to edit a startup file? I obviously bit off more then I can chew signing up for this. I have no interest in learning Ubuntu Server. I only wanted to learn and understand Synchronet BBS software. Man, I took the bait along with the hook line

and

sinker. I'm sure I can get all the answers I want for the right price.

That's sort of the snafu with linux if you wish to run background processes that startup automatically with the system and are able to control privileges ports like ssh.

I would think the /etc/init.d/synchronetbbs script is just there to start and stop sbbs automatically. There shouldn't be a need to alter this file if it starts synchronet correctly when the server reboots, why are you looking into learning about systemd processes ? (sorry, I came to this party late)

If you've never administrated or used a linux system before, then learning Synchronet under linux might have it's own challenges as opposed to learning Synchronet on a Windows based system.

I'm running Synchronet on Ubuntu server also, though I can have physical access if I want, I really do everything remotely or automated. There isn't really any 'harm' in rebooting the server, and if your systemd scripts work, they will restart the bbs when the system reboots. If you just call the script to stop and restart the bbs, you can also just bypass the systemd commands and run the script firectly, but it needs to be run with administrator privileges, in linux, you use 'sudo' for that. "sudo /etc/init.d/synchronetbbs stop" or "sudo /etc/init.d/synchronetbbs start" will work most of the time.

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On 11-03-19 14:53, Mortifis wrote to Gamgee <=-

Though it is not 'wrong' to reboot, it is best practice to: (From http://wiki.synchro.net/install:dev)

Went through that process yesterday on my system

"Step 1
Shutdown the BBS

Stop all instances of sbbs, scfg, sbbsctrl, sbbsntsvcs, jsexec,
umonitor, echocfg, etc. from running.

We want to avoid problems with copying or over-writing files that may
be in-use when BBS processes are running."

So, before you do your Step 1 (on Ubuntu)

sudo systemctl stop sbbs

... and instead of 'reboot'

sudo systemctl start sbbs

Yes one has to check for their specific system, but this would be the way on a lot of modern distros. I have my own way of managing SBBS startup and shutdown, but as I know how I'm doing it, I don't need it spelled out. :)


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On 11-03-19 17:58, HusTler wrote to Mortifis <=-

Re: Re: Update
By: Mortifis to Gamgee on Sun Nov 03 2019 02:53 pm

He's using Ubuntu (remotely), and it may be that step is there
because it's the easiest way to get the BBS restarted (the joys of 'systemd').

I have to read all this systemd shit just to edit a startup file? I obviously bit off more then I can chew signing up for this. I have no interest in learning Ubuntu Server. I only wanted to learn and
understand Synchronet BBS software. Man, I took the bait along with the hook line and sinker. I'm sure I can get all the answers I want for the right price. Thanks for everyone's input.

In a sense it's just like working with a DOS or Windows system, except in those
cases, people have generally had a lot of hands on with the underlying OS before attempting to run a BBS. In your case, you're learning how to manage both an unfamiliar OS and a BBS. It will become easier with practice. :)

There's plenty of people who know verious Linux flavours. I don't use systemd myself, so I can't help with the details.


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On 11-03-19 16:19, Gamgee wrote to Mortifis <=-

But... the dude (Hustler) clearly doesn't know jack about using
Linux - do you think he knows how to do this? It is not covered
in the Wiki that this should be done. He doesn't even know what
'systemd' is, much less how to use it... Just sayin...

Systemd isn't a part of SBBS, and the documentation would rightly assume that sysops know their OS. However, it would be good to have a resource somewhere with basic information for getting SBBS to start automatically using various methods like systemd (common these days), SysV init (common in older distros) and other methods like cron (which I use, because it covers both startup and restarting on non systemd distros).


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Re: Re: Update
By: Hemo to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:24 pm

I have to read all this systemd shit just to edit a startup file? I

I would think the /etc/init.d/synchronetbbs script is just there to start
If you've never administrated or used a linux system before, then learning Synchronet on a Windows based system.

Thanks. Yes there us a synchronetbbs script in that location. I don't plan on messing with it. I'm trying to understand what happens when I reboot after a Synchronet update. I think I got it.


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Re: Re: Update
By: Mortifis to Gamgee on Sun Nov 03 2019 02:53 pm

He's using Ubuntu (remotely), and it may be that step is there
because it's the easiest way to get the BBS restarted (the joys of 'systemd').

I have to read all this systemd shit just to edit a startup file? I obviously bit off more then I can chew signing up for this. I have no interest in learning Ubuntu Server. I only wanted to learn and understand Synchronet BBS software. Man, I took the bait along with the hook line and sinker. I'm sure I can get all the answers I want for the right price. Thanks for everyone's input.

I am unsure what you mean by bait, hook line and sinker or answers for the right price. And I am certainly not part of any of the trash talk some people are posting. Personally I run SBBS on my own servers, 100% free of cost. I try to offer any support when I am able to, and like most things, there is more than one way to accomplish a desired task. As far as learning Linux, or Ubuntu, running a few commandlines is hardly learning Linux.

All I can really say, at this point, is if you are paying a service to host your Synchronet BBS that service should be the one that offers ALL of the support.

If you really are just interested in learning SBBS, I am sure you could pick up
an old(er) PC and run it under Windows 7 ... just saying

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Re: Re: Update
By: Mortifis to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:51 am

I am unsure what you mean by bait, hook line and sinker or answers for the right price. And I am certainly not part of any of the trash talk some people are posting. Personally I run SBBS on my own servers, 100% free of

You offer free SBBS on your servers or you run your own SBBS for free on your own server. I would hope you would'nt charge yourself ;-) I'm very wary of the word "free" That's what I meant by taking the bait. Nothing is free. In the computer world the tactic is to give it to you for free, allow you to build it, tweak it, get it working the way you want and then start billing for it.

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Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

But... the dude (Hustler) clearly doesn't know jack about using
Linux - do you think he knows how to do this? It is not covered
in the Wiki that this should be done. He doesn't even know what
'systemd' is, much less how to use it... Just sayin...

Systemd isn't a part of SBBS, and the documentation would rightly
assume that sysops know their OS.

Understood, and agreed. I was just saying that because of what
Mortifis had said, which made it sound like the Wiki described all
that stuff...

However, it would be good to
have a resource somewhere with basic information for getting SBBS
to start automatically using various methods like systemd (common
these days), SysV init (common in older distros) and other
methods like cron I use, because it covers both startup
and restarting on non systemd distros).

Sure, no doubt about that. There *IS* some info on this in the
Wiki, but could be tweaked:
http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix#running

My method is quite simple... In a terminal, in the /sbbs/exec
directory, I type: "sudo -E ./sbbs syslog" and press Enter.

I also have other terminals open which are "tailing" various logs,
and one displaying 'umonitor'.

Works for me! :-)


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On 11-04-19 07:46, Gamgee wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Systemd isn't a part of SBBS, and the documentation would rightly
assume that sysops know their OS.

Understood, and agreed. I was just saying that because of what
Mortifis had said, which made it sound like the Wiki described all
that stuff...

Yes, the wiki is quite good that way and often includes how to do relevant general sysadmin tasks where appropriate.

Sure, no doubt about that. There *IS* some info on this in the
Wiki, but could be tweaked:
http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix#running

Cool. :)

My method is quite simple... In a terminal, in the /sbbs/exec
directory, I type: "sudo -E ./sbbs syslog" and press Enter.

My method is a cron job that checks to see if sbbs is running and starts it if it isn't. :)

I also have other terminals open which are "tailing" various logs,
and one displaying 'umonitor'.

Works for me! :-)

I tail logs as needed. :)


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