On 08-08-19 14:00, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to All <=-
Good ${greeting_time}, All!
After reading a quite long discussion (for this echoarea), I'd also
like to share my experience.
As I work in IT sphere since 1994, I've seen almost all Linux-based systems appearing, emerging and (most of them) dying. For now, I came
to just two parameters of a GNU/Linux-based system I'd consider a
quality mark:
1. RPM packages
2. SysV init
1. RPM packages
2. SysV init
Tony Langdon wrote to Alexey Vissarionov <=-
2. SysV init
Sadly, seems to be a dying breed these days, with systemd taking over
on a lot of distros. I haven't got my head around systemd, but know
one of these days I really need to get to know it, because like it or
not, I will be using systems that are based on systemd.
That said, I quite like SysV init. It's straightforward and orderly.
Most of my systems still use it.
avoids unnecessary entanglements and ensures Init Freedom.
On 08-09-19 15:01, Andrew Alt wrote to All <=-
I like Debian and Slackware but primarily Debian user.
atm, I'm downloading Devuan and may install it on a spare computer
within the next few days. Anyone try it yet?
"Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd. Devuanâ Ös
stable release is
atm, I'm downloading Devuan and may install it on a spare computer
within the next few days. Anyone try it yet?
Tony Langdon wrote to Andrew Alt <=-
Sounds interesting. Might be worth a look. Could put it on one of the many spare netbooks I have here. :)
Kai Richter wrote to Andrew Alt <=-
Hello Andrew!
09 Aug 19, Andrew Alt wrote to All:
atm, I'm downloading Devuan and may install it on a spare computer
within the next few days. Anyone try it yet?
I did too early. The sad thing is that usual developers and maintainers are "forced" to migrate to systemd. There is no easy way to switch programms between sysv and systemd modes. It took much time to adjust packages back to sysv and i can't spend that time for system
maintenance. So i have to rely on the maintaining staff of an official distro.
When i tried Devuan it wasn't ready to match my requirements. It was
work in progress and i suggest everyone should test it if it meets his needs today.
I'll stay on Ubuntu LTS for my mothers laptop, on Debian for my PC and
if i have to change from sysv to systemd i took the chance to change my server from sysv to sysv by migrating from Debian to FreeBSD. I hope
the later will have longer sysv support than others. ;)
On 08-12-19 14:56, Andrew Alt wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Tony Langdon wrote to Andrew Alt <=-
Sounds interesting. Might be worth a look. Could put it on one of the many spare netbooks I have here. :)
I got around to installing it on a spare desktop a couple days ago. Haven't spent
a lot of time with it yet though.
After reading a quite long discussion (for this echoarea), I'd alsoWhy RPM?
like to share my experience.
As I work in IT sphere since 1994, I've seen almost all Linux-based
systems appearing, emerging and (most of them) dying. For now, I
came to just two parameters of a GNU/Linux-based system I'd consider
a quality mark:
1. RPM packages
dpkg offers similar functionality.
I will use systems that use either.
2. SysV initSadly, seems to be a dying breed these days, with systemd taking over
on a lot of distros.
I haven't got my head around systemd, but know one of these days I
really need to get to know it, because like it or not, I will be
using systems that are based on systemd.
That said, I quite like SysV init. It's straightforward and orderly.
Most of my systems still use it.
1. RPM packagesWith my experience I did not notice big differences between RPM and
DEB. Could you elaborate what issues you have with DEB?
2. SysV initThat I do understand and agree with ;)
On 08-15-19 20:55, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Why RPM?
Besause it is a quality mark.
dpkg offers similar functionality.
Have you tried building rpm and deb packages?
I will use systems that use either.
Your choice...
2. SysV initSadly, seems to be a dying breed these days, with systemd taking over
on a lot of distros.
We have distributions with both. And even more: some experienced admin
may switch from one to other and back again.
I haven't got my head around systemd, but know one of these days I
really need to get to know it, because like it or not, I will be
using systems that are based on systemd.
The old good CentOS 6 will reach EOL this year... and we expect some
users moving to us :-)
That said, I quite like SysV init. It's straightforward and orderly.
Most of my systems still use it.
Same thing here. The only advantage of systemd is the startup
dependencies concept, but that's really easy to implement with SysVinit
- just declare "status" command as mandatory.
E.g. `service nginx start` may check whether `service network status`
is "running".
theseOn 08-08-19 14:00, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to All <=-
Good ${greeting_time}, All!
After reading a quite long discussion (for this echoarea), I'd also like to share my experience.
As I work in IT sphere since 1994, I've seen almost all Linux-based systems appearing, emerging and (most of them) dying. For now, I came to just two parameters of a GNU/Linux-based system I'd consider a quality mark:
1. RPM packages
Why RPM? dpkg offers similar functionality. I will use systems that use either.
2. SysV init
Sadly, seems to be a dying breed these days, with systemd taking over on a lot of distros. I haven't got my head around systemd, but know one of
days I really need to get to know it, because like it or not, I will be using systems that are based on systemd.
That said, I quite like SysV init. It's straightforward and orderly. Most of my systems still use it.
... Spam will keep in it's can until the end of time.
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On 08-17-19 17:33, Chicken Head wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
At my "day job" we support all variants of linux, not limited to the
RPM based ones. Personally I developed a deep hatred of RPM back at
the turn of the last century...dpkg has it's limitations and
frustrations but I'd take that over RPM any day.
Just had to do my first SuSE install...what an odd system. I don't
like it.
As for SysV init I hear you...I hate systemd with the fire of a
thousand suns. It drove me to FreeBSD. And FreeBSD's rc-based system
actually is not that bad...I find it amusing that my FreeBSD server
boots up so much faster than my SystemD based Linux server.
Tony Langdon wrote to Andrew Alt <=-
On 08-12-19 14:56, Andrew Alt wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Tony Langdon wrote to Andrew Alt <=-
Sounds interesting. Might be worth a look. Could put it on one of the many spare netbooks I have here. :)
I got around to installing it on a spare desktop a couple days ago. Haven't spent
a lot of time with it yet though.
Let me know how you go. :)
On 08-29-19 00:29, Andrew Alt wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Not too much news yet, I posted a brief follow-up earlier today in fido.linux-user
Tony Langdon wrote to Andrew Alt <=-
On 08-29-19 00:29, Andrew Alt wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Not too much news yet, I posted a brief follow-up earlier today in fido.linux-user
I'm not on Usenet. Or do you mean the Fidonet echo?
On 08-29-19 17:58, Andrew Alt wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm not on Usenet. Or do you mean the Fidonet echo?
I assume it's a fido echo. In my offline reader, it shows as fido.linux-user whereas this one shows as fido.LINUX
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