Hello Stas, I just wanted to point out that after you re-open/re-start the Fidobot, the backlog of posts seems to get processed FILO (first in, last out). The screen shot is an example. The message marked 1st is my original message, and the one marked 2nd is a reply to that one. But the 2nd one arrived first, and the 1st one arrived next. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/msg%20FILO.jpg


--- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
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I'm not sure when the time stamp is based on, but I've always seen messages out of order in Fidonet. Depends on routing.
--- tg2fido gate v0.6.1
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Hello Charles!

** On Tuesday 10.11.20 - 03:34, Charles Pierson wrote to All:

I'm not sure when the time stamp is based on, but I've
always seen messages out of order in Fidonet. Depends on
routing.

If you look at the time for the messages in the screenshot,
you will see there is about 2 minutes diff between them. That
tells me it's likely the time of the toss at Stas's system
when he wakes up the bot. It's not the date or time of the
original message.

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Hi, August!

10 ��� 20 02:52, August Abolins -> stas mishchenkov:

Hello Stas, I just wanted to point out that after you re-open/re-start
the
Fidobot, the backlog of posts seems to get processed FILO (first in,

last

out). The screen shot is an example. The message marked 1st is my

original

message, and the one marked 2nd is a reply to that one. But the 2nd one arrived first, and the 1st one arrived next. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/msg%20FILO.jpg

I noticed this interesting phenomenon. It doesn't matter if the gate was interrupted. It is important that if at the time of tossing there are more than one packets, then it is not the oldest can be parse� first. This is determined by the operation of the operating system with the file system. On the other hand, sorting packages by date before tossing can significantly increase processing time.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Charles!

10 ��� 20 03:34, Charles Pierson -> All:

I'm not sure when the time stamp is based on, but I've always seen messages out of order in Fidonet. Depends on routing.

In the picture I can see that the messages in the list are sorted by date in reverse order. The date highlighted by August is the date when the message was sent to Telegram. It is not connected in any way and cannot be connected with the date of creation of the message in Fido.
However, it is true that some messages reach Telegram earlier than older ones.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi Stas,

On 2020-11-10 09:16:30, you wrote to August Abolins:

On the other hand, sorting packages by date before tossing can significantly increase processing time.

Maybe if you have a thousand or more packages to sort, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it... ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/9/20 11:13 PM you wrote:

Hello Charles! ** On Tuesday 10.11.20 - 03:34, Charles Pierson
wrote to All:

I'm not sure when the time stamp is based on, but I've always
seen messages out of order in Fidonet. Depends on routing.

If you look at the time for the messages in the screenshot, you
will see there is about 2 minutes diff between them. That tells
me it's likely the time of the toss at Stas's system when he
wakes up the bot. It's not the date or time of the original
message.

Based on what Stas has said earlier, as well as his explanation to me about the processing to Telegram, it is very much possible that those messages were from different tosses. I believe has has said it tosses every minute.

It could also just be the manner it processes the messages.

But honestly, unless there were hundreds of messages coming in the toss, it's a minor annoyance at best.

And much like typical FTN mail, messages coming slightly out of order can lead to multiple different threads of discussion, which I don't consider a bad thing.

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Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
On 11/10/20 9:23 AM you wrote:

Hi, Charles! 10 ��� 20 03:34, Charles Pierson -> All:

I'm not sure when the time stamp is based on, but I've always
seen messages out of order in Fidonet. Depends on routing.

In the picture I can see that the messages in the list are sorted
by date in reverse order. The date highlighted by August is the
date when the message was sent to Telegram. It is not connected in
any way and cannot be connected with the date of creation of the
message in Fido. However, it is true that some messages reach
Telegram earlier than older ones.

Exactly. Without going back and looking at those particular messages, simply the fact that they originated at two different systems could be the reason.

It depends on the route it takes to get from point of origin to your system.

I have no idea what the routing is from any System that I might post a message from to your system. That only concerns me if and when messages don't arrive.

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Hi Charles!

10 Nov 20 09:18, you wrote to me:

But honestly, unless there were hundreds of messages coming in the
toss, it's a minor annoyance at best.

And much like typical FTN mail, messages coming slightly out of order
can lead to multiple different threads of discussion, which I don't consider a bad thing.

True, just minor. I was just curious. I bet *this* reply will probably reach TgM first. then your original will show up later.





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Hi, Wilfred!

10 ��� 20 14:14, Wilfred van Velzen -> Stas Mishchenkov:

On the other hand, sorting packages by date before tossing can
significantly increase processing time.

Maybe if you have a thousand or more packages to sort, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it... ;)

Take a look:

opendir();
do while readdir() {
readpkt();
}
closedir();

or it will be

opendir();
do while readdir() {
collect_names();
}
closedir();
sort_names();
for $name (@names) {
readpkt();
}

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Charles!

10 ��� 20 09:18, Charles Pierson -> August Abolins:

Based on what Stas has said earlier, as well as his explanation to me about the processing to Telegram, it is very much possible that those messages were from different tosses. I believe has has said it tosses every minute.

It could also just be the manner it processes the messages.

But honestly, unless there were hundreds of messages coming in the toss, it's a minor annoyance at best.

And much like typical FTN mail, messages coming slightly out of order can lead to multiple different threads of discussion, which I don't consider bad thing.

The only difference is that in Fido we can sort messages in the database before reading them, while in Telegram they are shown as they are.
As I've said many times, Telegram is not fully compatible with Fido.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Wilfred!

10 ��� 20 14:14, Wilfred van Velzen -> Stas Mishchenkov:

On the other hand, sorting packages by date before tossing can
significantly increase processing time.

Maybe if you have a thousand or more packages to sort, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it... ;)

Take a look:

opendir();
do while readdir() {
readpkt();
}
closedir();

or it will be

opendir();
do while readdir() {
collect_names();
}
closedir();
sort_names();
for $name (@names) {
readpkt();
}

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi Wilfred,

On 2020-11-13 10:13:11, I wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

Take a look:

opendir();
do while readdir() {
readpkt();
}
closedir();

or it will be

opendir();
do while readdir() {
collect_names();
}
closedir();
sort_names();
for $name (@names) {
readpkt();
}

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got changed to a '?' on the fidonet side. That changes the meaning of what I wrote. :-(

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Wilfred,

On 2020-11-13 10:13:11, I wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

Take a look:

opendir();
do while readdir() {
readpkt();
}
closedir();

or it will be

opendir();
do while readdir() {
collect_names();
}
closedir();
sort_names();
for $name (@names) {
readpkt();
}

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got changed to a '?' on

the fidonet side. That changes the meaning of what I wrote. :-(

Bye, Wilfred.

Unfortunately, emoji are transmitted as unicode characters, which do not match in CP866 and other 8-bit encodings. To recode them "manually", I need to create my own complete conversion table. This is not part of my plans for the rest of my life. ;)

--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi Brother,

On 2020-11-13 12:37:11, you wrote to me:

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got changed to a '?'
on the fidonet side. That changes the meaning of what I wrote. :-(

Unfortunately, emoji are transmitted as unicode characters, which do
not match in CP866 and other 8-bit encodings. To recode them
"manually", I need to create my own complete conversion table. This is
not part of my plans for the rest of my life. ;)

You could start with a small table, only translating the most used emoji's.
[ ;-) :-) :-( ] Would cover probably 95% of the ones used. ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
On 11/13/20 8:38 AM you wrote:

And much like typical FTN mail, messages coming slightly out of
order can lead to multiple different threads of discussion, which
I don't consider a bad thing.

The only difference is that in Fido we can sort messages in the
database before reading them, while in Telegram they are shown as
they are. As I've said many times, Telegram is not fully
compatible with Fido.

I've tried to make that point myself before.

We can have good communication between the two, but it's not going to be exactly the same.

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Hello Wilfred!

** On Friday 13.11.20 - 08:50, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got
changed to a '?' on the fidonet side. That changes the
meaning of what I wrote. :-(

LOL. It certainly does!

I think the built-in smiley feature on Telegram can be
disabled in groups individually to avoid the problem.

I am not sure what an animated gif would translate to on this
side. Wanna try it! ;)



--
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Hi August,

On 2020-11-13 09:08:00, you wrote to me:

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got
changed to a '?' on the fidonet side. That changes the
meaning of what I wrote. :-(

LOL. It certainly does!

I think the built-in smiley feature on Telegram can be
disabled in groups individually to avoid the problem.

Something we should try/test...

I am not sure what an animated gif would translate to on this
side. Wanna try it! ;)

Probably a questionmark too...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Brother,

On 2020-11-13 12:37:11, you wrote to me:

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got changed to a

'?'

on the fidonet side. That changes the meaning of what I wrote. :-(

Unfortunately, emoji are transmitted as unicode characters, which do not match in CP866 and other 8-bit encodings. To recode them "manually", I need to create my own complete conversion table. This

is

not part of my plans for the rest of my life. ;)

You could start with a small table, only translating the most used

emoji's.

[ ;-) :-) :-( ] Would cover probably 95% of the ones used. ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

I will try to do a preliminary partial transcoding, but I do not promise what will happen. It is possible that there will only be more garbage in the text.


--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello, Stas Mishchenkov.
On 11/13/20 8:38 AM you wrote:

And much like typical FTN mail, messages coming slightly out of
order can lead to multiple different threads of discussion, which CP>> I don't consider a bad thing.

The only difference is that in Fido we can sort messages in the database before reading them, while in Telegram they are shown as they are. As I've said many times, Telegram is not fully
compatible with Fido.

I've tried to make that point myself before.

We can have good communication between the two, but it's not going to be

exactly the same.

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I must admit that initially there was no goal of making a complete merge. It was clear that this is not possible. However, I believe that I managed to bring one close enough to the other and, while keeping some culture of communication, it is quite possible in some cases to use the Telegram BBS for Fido.


--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello Wilfred!

** On Friday 13.11.20 - 08:50, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Wilfred van

Velzen:

So it would take a few micro seconds longer... ?

Hmm, my smiley entered in the Telegram message, got
changed to a '?' on the fidonet side. That changes the
meaning of what I wrote. :-(

LOL. It certainly does!

I think the built-in smiley feature on Telegram can be
disabled in groups individually to avoid the problem.

I am not sure what an animated gif would translate to on this
side. Wanna try it! ;)

--
../|ug

Stickers and animations translate quite well as files. The only problem is with emojis transmitted as unicode characters. However, it is impossible to ban them. Stickers and animations can be prohibited, although in our case they are harmless.


--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi August,

On 2020-11-13 15:59:28, I wrote to you:

I think the built-in smiley feature on Telegram can be
disabled in groups individually to avoid the problem.

Something we should try/test...

I found the option to turn of "Sticker and Gifs", but there is no such option for smileys...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Brother,

On 2020-11-13 18:13:11, you wrote to me:

You could start with a small table, only translating the most used
emoji's. [ ;-) :-) :-( ] Would cover probably 95% of the ones used.
;-)

I will try to do a preliminary partial transcoding, but I do not
promise what will happen. It is possible that there will only be more garbage in the text.

We'll see, thanks!


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello, Brother Rabbit.
On 11/13/20 6:20 PM you wrote:

I must admit that initially there was no goal of making a complete
merge. It was clear that this is not possible. However, I believe
that I managed to bring one close enough to the other and, while
keeping some culture of communication, it is quite possible in
some cases to use the Telegram BBS for Fido.

It's definitely possible. The fact that we're communicating now is proof of that.

The test now is finding a larger group to use it. We have maybe a half dozen people between the 12 or so echos on Telegram?


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Hi Charles!

13 Nov 20 05:59, you wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

..As I've said many times, Telegram is not fully
compatible with Fido.

I've tried to make that point myself before.

We can have good communication between the two, but it's not going to
be exactly the same.

Stas has built some good technology to leverage the convenience of using Telegram.

It's the convenience (portability across devices, even the USB version so that you can use *any* pc that is handy at the time) of using Telegram is pretty cool.

Plus, the way it catalogs links and photos and files, is an organizer's dream. And.. all that (files, photos, links) is searchable. Finding a message is based on a text string is handy too.

From a moderator's POV, it's no-funny-business allowed. A miscreant be dropped at any time and there is no way that same person can re-join. A new phone number would be required - you can't just change your name - which could prove to be a major inconvenience. You'd have to be a Marquis de Sade du Fidonet with unlimited phone numbers to try and fool a modest Fidonet moderator.

The TgM experience doesn't have to be exactly the same (taglines, quoting style, and other aspects from echomail culture) ..but the basics for allowing participation in conversations is still pretty good.


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Hi Wilfred!

13 Nov 20 15:59, you wrote to me:

I am not sure what an animated gif would translate to on this
side. Wanna try it! ;)

Probably a questionmark too...

Yes. I meant to use a questionmark. I think I was building the following sentence in my head: "Someone should try it! ;)", but I changed it mid-thought.



--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20180707
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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/13/20 6:16 PM you wrote:

Stas has built some good technology to leverage the convenience of
using Telegram.

I've never thought otherwise.

The hard part is getting people to understand that a chat program, and a BBS message system are not the same thing, nor are they supposed to be.

But Stas has made this thing that makes them work together.

It's the convenience (portability across devices, even the USB
version so that you can use *any* pc that is handy at the time) of
using Telegram is pretty cool.

That's not being made clear, I don't think. A lot of people seem think it's strictly an app for mobile.

Plus, the way it catalogs links and photos and files, is an
organizer's dream. And.. all that (files, photos, links) is
searchable. Finding a message is based on a text string is handy
too.

Those all sound like cool features. They aren't something that I personally would use very often, but nice that they are there.

From a moderator's POV, it's no-funny-business allowed. A
miscreant be dropped at any time and there is no way that same
person can re-join. A new phone number would be required - you
can't just change your name - which could prove to be a major inconvenience. You'd have to be a Marquis de Sade du Fidonet with unlimited phone numbers to try and fool a modest Fidonet
moderator.

Actually, moderator aspect aside, which is interesting enough but I'd have to examine.

It is fairly easy to get phone numbers. There are dozens of apps out there to do so. I'm not saying it would be worth someone's time to do so, but it is possible.

The TgM experience doesn't have to be exactly the same (taglines,
quoting style, and other aspects from echomail culture) ..but the
basics for allowing participation in conversations is still pretty
good.

I'm glad to hear you day that, since I've spent so much time trying to explain that.

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Hello Charles!

** On Friday 13.11.20 - 16:04, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

It's the convenience (portability across devices, even
the USB version so that you can use *any* pc that is
handy at the time) of using Telegram is pretty cool.

That's not being made clear, I don't think. A lot of
people seem think it's strictly an app for mobile.

I don't know if we can say "a lot of people" yet. ;) The
Fido/Telegram merge is still relatively young (about 2 months
since a few english-speaking echos have been built) and
obscure.

Plus, the way it catalogs links and photos and files, is
an organizer's dream. And.. all that (files, photos,
links) is searchable. Finding a message is based on a
text string is handy too.

Those all sound like cool features. They aren't something
that I personally would use very often, but nice that
they are there.

Those features are not readily obvious with the tablet/phone
apps. But in the desktop version, the program can be operated
in full view that includes a side-panel on the right that
provides the stats on the number of members, files, photos,
and links. The full list of shared files/photos/links is just
a single click away. It's practically like a built-in filefix
for each echo.

Actually, moderator aspect aside, which is interesting
enough but I'd have to examine.

That can be arranged! Name your echo.

It is fairly easy to get phone numbers. There are dozens
of apps out there to do so. I'm not saying it would be
worth someone's time to do so, but it is possible.

I looked into that too. The services that provide temporary
virtual phone numbers may not be completely reliable. It is
best to have a permanent number that you can have full control
over. The cost of seeking addtional numbers for the purposes
to get around a Fidonet ban could get unnecessarily costly.

The TgM experience doesn't have to be exactly the same
(taglines, quoting style, and other aspects from
echomail culture) ..but the basics for allowing
participation in conversations is still pretty good.

I'm glad to hear you day that, since I've spent so much
time trying to explain that.

You can think of the TgM environment as just a different
"skin" wrapped around a messaging environment designed for
modern personal devices. The appearance can be personalized to
the user's delight. From a visual POV, the user is simply
accessing Stas' BBS not unlike visiting any other BBS for the
message areas. Except that in this case, the TgM appearance is
ready-made with some extra bells and whistles courtesy of
Telegram technology. Stas' bot provides the behind the scenes
hook to fidonet.

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Hello Charles!

** On Friday 13.11.20 - 10:12, Charles Pierson wrote to Brother Rabbit:

The test now is finding a larger group to use it. We have
maybe a half dozen people between the 12 or so echos on
Telegram?

It's still a young experiment.


--
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--- OpenXP 5.0.46
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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/13/20 6:55 PM you wrote:

Hello Charles! ** On Friday 13.11.20 - 16:04, Charles Pierson
wrote to August Abolins:

It's the convenience (portability across devices, even the USB
version so that you can use *any* pc that is handy at the time)
of using Telegram is pretty cool.

That's not being made clear, I don't think. A lot of people seem
think it's strictly an app for mobile.

I don't know if we can say "a lot of people" yet. ;) The
Fido/Telegram merge is still relatively young (about 2 months
since a few english-speaking echos have been built) and obscure.

Ok, relatively speaking. Comments that I have seen in echos where Telegram is active in, there have been comments that seem to imply that Telegram is a smartphone app exclusively.

Plus, the way it catalogs links and photos and files, is an
organizer's dream. And.. all that (files, photos, links) is
searchable. Finding a message is based on a text string is
handy too.

Those all sound like cool features. They aren't something that I
personally would use very often, but nice that they are there.

Those features are not readily obvious with the tablet/phone
apps. But in the desktop version, the program can be operated in
full view that includes a side-panel on the right that provides
the stats on the number of members, files, photos, and links.
The full list of shared files/photos/links is just a single
click away. It's practically like a built-in filefix for each
echo.

I've seen them, I look around apps to see what's there. Just at this point in time, I see their usefulness, but I don't need them myself.

For Example, if I touch a Group Name, it comes up to a screen with the description, whether or not notification ate on, then members, media, files and links. Very nice looking.

Actually, moderator aspect aside, which is interesting enough but
I'd have to examine.

That can be arranged! Name your echo.

Any of them is fine.

It is fairly easy to get phone numbers. There are dozens of apps
out there to do so. I'm not saying it would be worth someone's
time to do so, but it is possible.

I looked into that too. The services that provide temporary
virtual phone numbers may not be completely reliable. It is best
to have a permanent number that you can have full control over.
The cost of seeking addtional numbers for the purposes to get
around a Fidonet ban could get unnecessarily costly.

I said it was possible, if not necessarily worthwhile. But in a fairly short time I set up 3 numbers from 3 apps that I could potentially use to set up a Telegram account with. I'd only actually need the number once.

The TgM experience doesn't have to be exactly the same
(taglines, quoting style, and other aspects from echomail
culture) ..but the basics for allowing participation in
conversations is still pretty good.

I'm glad to hear you day that, since I've spent so much time
trying to explain that.

You can think of the TgM environment as just a different "skin"
wrapped around a messaging environment designed for modern
personal devices. The appearance can be personalized to the
user's delight. From a visual POV, the user is simply accessing
Stas' BBS not unlike visiting any other BBS for the message
areas. Except that in this case, the TgM appearance is
ready-made with some extra bells and whistles courtesy of
Telegram technology. Stas' bot provides the behind the scenes
hook to fidonet.

Actually, it's more like Stas made a BBS on Telegram, which his traditional BBS is the Feed for. It has it's own Node, I believe.


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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/13/20 6:58 PM you wrote:

Hello Charles! ** On Friday 13.11.20 - 10:12, Charles Pierson
wrote to Brother Rabbit:

The test now is finding a larger group to use it. We have maybe a
half dozen people between the 12 or so echos on Telegram?

It's still a young experiment.

It is. But I've been reading up on Telegram. They claim you can have up to 200,000 members in a group.
Now I wouldn't honestly expect a group that size, but 3-4 isn't a very good sample for capacity of Stas's bot.

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fidonet.

Actually, it's more like Stas made a BBS on Telegram, which his

traditional BBS is the Feed for. It has it's own Node, I believe.

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I disagree. I see it as skimming the group and processing it to "fit" FTN and storing at his local bbs for distribution elsewhere on FTN. Then the reverse.


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Hi Charles!

13 Nov 20 16:04, you wrote to me:

It's the convenience (portability across devices, even the USB
version so that you can use *any* pc that is handy at the time)
of using Telegram is pretty cool.

That's not being made clear, I don't think. A lot of people seem
think it's strictly an app for mobile.

I found out very quickly that I could install the desktop version and operate the program/interface from my laptop.

It is fairly easy to get phone numbers. There are dozens of apps out there to do so. I'm not saying it would be worth someone's time to do
so, but it is possible.

And the numbers are permanent and completely free? I could only find services that offer changeable or additional numbers as long as you subscribe to a monthly plan.


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Hi Charles!

13 Nov 20 18:55, you wrote to me:

I said it was possible, if not necessarily worthwhile. But in a
fairly short time I set up 3 numbers from 3 apps that I could
potentially use to set up a Telegram account with. I'd only actually
need the number once.

What apps are they? Are they a $ubscription based model? I would imagine that some of them would want to harvest your email and phone number for future spam and marketing calls.

Actually, it's more like Stas made a BBS on Telegram, which his traditional BBS is the Feed for. It has it's own Node, I believe.

Right you are. The telegram presence is an extension of his bbs, that is until another bot feeds another bbs.


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