Hi all,
Just wanted to post an informational message ... I've recently
reorganized my board to allow posting with an alias, instead of
always requiring a real name.

So if you've seen me posting as Dan Clough, I'll now be posting
as 'Gamgee', except in message subs that require a real name.

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos? Also how
about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

Thanks!



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Hello Dan,

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos? Also how
about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

I suppose it is customary to use real names in fidonet. There is no real names only rule that I know of.

The rules of an echo are put in place by the creator (or moderator) of an area. There are areas where handles are used almost exclusively like the MYSTIC echo and the four SBBS related areas, SYNCHRONET, SYNC_SYSOPS, SYNC_PROPGRAMMING and SYNCDATA.

From memory of long ago the ANYTHING_GOES area also was real name or handle and IIRC most of the posters in there used handles.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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I suppose it is customary to use real names in fidonet. There is no real names o nly rule that I know of.

If i remember correctly, real names are required in netmail only.

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Hello Dan,

In a message on 07-20-19 Dan Clough said to All:

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos?

YES

Also how about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

In my opinion, YES!


Have a nice day,

Holger


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Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos? Also how
about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

I suppose it is customary to use real names in fidonet. There is
no real names only rule that I know of.

The rules of an echo are put in place by the creator (or
moderator) of an area. There are areas where handles are used
almost exclusively like the MYSTIC echo and the four SBBS related
areas, SYNCHRONET, SYNC_SYSOPS, SYNC_PROPGRAMMING and SYNCDATA.

Thanks for that, Alan. I'm gonna just leave all of Fido on real
names.


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Holger Granholm wrote to Dan Clough <=-

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos?

YES

Also how about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

In my opinion, YES!

Thanks for your input, Holger. Going to leave Fido on real names.


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In a message on 07-21-19 Frank Linhares said to Alan Ianson:

Hello Frank,

If i remember correctly, real names are required in netmail only.

Most echo moderators state in their echo rules that real names are used.


Have a good night,

Holger


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If i remember correctly, real names are required in netmail only.

Most echo moderators state in their echo rules that real names are used.

That is a moderators requirement for an echo, not for fidonet. Echomail isn't covered in Fido's P4.

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Frank Linhares -> Holger Granholm skrev 2019-07-23 06:55:

If i remember correctly, real names are required in netmail only.

Most echo moderators state in their echo rules that real names are used.

That is a moderators requirement for an echo, not for fidonet. Echomail isn't covered in Fido's P4.

Of course it is. It's mentioned more than 30 times. Your statement is a relic from an old Z1 administration that now has been replaced.

OTOH real names are not mentioned at all, not even "in netmail only".



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Hello Holger,

This is not directed at you but for all to consider.

Begs the question, how would a moderator know the name was real or not in the first instance as it is so easy for a person to change their name to a name like an alias legally. Indnoseia has a lot of people that have only a single name.

Does it really matter in Fidonet Today? Rarely do Moderators interject like
the good old days <g>.

Maybe some rules need to be updated to the times.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

On Jul 22, 2019 03:35pm, Holger Granholm wrote to Frank Linhares:

In a message on 07-21-19 Frank Linhares said to Alan Ianson:

Hello Frank,

If i remember correctly, real names are required in netmail only.

Most echo moderators state in their echo rules that real names are used.

Have a good night,

Holger

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Re: Re: Alias / Real names
By: TERRY ROATI to Holger Granholm on Tue Jul 23 2019 04:08 pm

Hello Holger,

This is not directed at you but for all to consider.

Begs the question, how would a moderator know the name was real or not in the first instance as it is so easy for a person to change their name to name like an alias legally. Indnoseia has a lot of people that have only single name.

An interesting situation, too. I had a friend of mine whom was into FidoNet and
in BBSes. But, he had a very interesting name, one that many thought he was lying about (but seriously, his name just happened to be that name!) And he got
a lot of flak about it in a few echos, though not all.

Just to shed some light on that, his name was "David Eddings", not the author mind you, but the same name AS the famous author. The local area sysops had to kind of step in a bit because they'd actually met him face to face, as we'd had
some local BBS events at some points, and they actually knew and could verify it, before things would settle down a bit. :)

Does it really matter in Fidonet Today? Rarely do Moderators interject like the good old days <g>.

I think in some respects, Real Names are fine, especially in ADM oriented echos. Having a name to match up with the nodelist record kinda says a bit. :) For the others.... That's a toss-up in itself.

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Begs the question, how would a moderator know the name was real or not
in the
first instance as it is so easy for a person to change their name to a

name

like an alias legally.

It's a gentlemen's agreement. Take it or leave it.



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Hello Bj”rn,

How do we know they are a gentlemen.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

On Jul 23, 2019 09:49am, Bj”rn Felten wrote to TERRY ROATI:

Begs the question, how would a moderator know the name was real or not
in the
first instance as it is so easy for a person to change their name to a

name

like an alias legally.

It's a gentlemen's agreement. Take it or leave it.

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On 23 Jul 19 08:25:11, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Frank Linhares:

Of course it is. It's mentioned more than 30 times. Your statement is a relic from an old Z1 administration that now has been replaced.

OTOH real names are not mentioned at all, not even "in netmail only".

It doens't bother me what name I'm Netmailed at...

Nick

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Hello Holger and others,

Sun. 21 Jul 2019, 09:18:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Dan Clough:

Also how about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

In my opinion, YES!

For most echo's you are very right.
But in an alterNet we had a special chat area "Klets" with much nonsense,
and almost all the participants used an animal name.
Everyone knew who was wich animal, but that did not matter,
as you could see from wich Point AKA it was coming.
It was a kind of emptying yout hart in it every day ;-).
A nice period I am still missing today.
In serious echo's often was referred to that special chat area "Klets".
Humour is also a necessity for life.
The same like you have in some TV-programs.
But as Michiel van de Vlist allways say, it is difficult to understand jokes
on the other side of a language or cultural border.

I am typing here at 28.1 grade C inside, and
outside it will be 39 grade C today, i.e. very hot ;-(.

Greetings from Henri.

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In a message on 07-23-19 Frank Linhares said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Frank.

Most echo moderators state in their echo rules that real names are used.

That is a moderators requirement for an echo, not for fidonet.

Correct.

Echomail isn't covered in Fido's P4.

Tell me please, what is the difference between Netmail and Echomail.


Have a good night,

Holger


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In a message on 07-23-19 Terry Roati said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Tarry,

Begs the question, how would a moderator know the name was real or
not in the first instance as it is so easy for a person to change
their name to a name like an alias legally. Indnoseia has a lot of
people that have only a single name.

Right but honesty prevails.

As long as the sender has a node number it's easy to check the nodelist
for the owner of that node number.

But of course the node number may also point to a host that is
forwarding your mail.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

Have a nice day,

Holger


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Hi! Holger,

It's a long time, mate.

On 07/24/2019 09:33 AM, you wrote to Terry Roati:

But of course the node number may also point to a host that is
forwarding your mail.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

We have to forgive Terry at times, as he has a predilection towards dyslexia since he retired. The correct answer is 3:640/1321. :)

By-the-by, I have a new email contact: quinn421138[at]iinet[dot]com[dot]au - if your favourite GS is still collecting them. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 07-24-19 09:33, Holger Granholm wrote to Frank Linhares <=-

Echomail isn't covered in Fido's P4.

Tell me please, what is the difference between Netmail and Echomail.

Similar to the difference between email and newsgroups.

Netmail is one on one messaging. Echomail is group discussion, more like a discussion forum.


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Dan wrote:

Hi all,
Just wanted to post an informational message ... I've recently
reorganized my board to allow posting with an alias, instead of
always requiring a real name.

So if you've seen me posting as Dan Clough, I'll now be posting
as 'Gamgee', except in message subs that require a real name.

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos? Also how
about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

Thanks!

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I really can't be bothered trying to figure out which nets/echoes can use aliases and which not. I just force all to use real names. Who really knows
if the using logging in is using their real name anyway so it really is just academic at this point.
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How do we know they are a gentlemen.

You can easily recognize a gentlemen once you know what to look for. If all other tell-tales fail, at least he's the one who follows a gentlemen's agreement. DUH! 8-)

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As Paul already has pointed out, your sig is out of order.



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It never ends, it is only important if there is a issue and only then the real name will come out or maybe not?

So is worth the effort?

Most sccessful blogs use an alias, some folks use a real name but since you
use a real email address (verified) to log in to post the name doesn't matter. If a problem the Moderator will block the user's email address.

In Fido the user or his node is blocked if the node doesn't block the user. Whether the user name is real or not, what is important is where the user
posts from.

So why make a rule that is unforcable, as I pointed out I don't think it matters whether the user name is real or not.

Time to move with the times.

Just my opinion of course.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231


On Jul 24, 2019 09:33am, Holger Granholm wrote to Terry Roati:

In a message on 07-23-19 Terry Roati said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Tarry,

Begs the question, how would a moderator know the name was real or
not in the first instance as it is so easy for a person to change
their name to a name like an alias legally. Indnoseia has a lot of
people that have only a single name.

Right but honesty prevails.

As long as the sender has a node number it's easy to check the nodelist for the owner of that node number.

But of course the node number may also point to a host that is
forwarding your mail.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

Have a nice day,

Holger

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Hi Paul,

More likely memory loss and old age.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1321

On Jul 25, 2019 03:45pm, Paul Quinn wrote to Holger Granholm:

Hi! Holger,

It's a long time, mate.

On 07/24/2019 09:33 AM, you wrote to Terry Roati:

But of course the node number may also point to a host that is
forwarding your mail.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

We have to forgive Terry at times, as he has a predilection towards dyslexia since he retired. The correct answer is 3:640/1321. :)

By-the-by, I have a new email contact:
quinn421138[at]iinet[dot]com[dot]au - if your favourite GS is still collecting them. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi Tony,

Isn't strange and funny where we use new technology to explain old technology.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

On Jul 25, 2019 06:29pm, Tony Langdon wrote to Holger Granholm:

On 07-24-19 09:33, Holger Granholm wrote to Frank Linhares <=-

Echomail isn't covered in Fido's P4.

Tell me please, what is the difference between Netmail and Echomail.

Similar to the difference between email and newsgroups.

Netmail is one on one messaging. Echomail is group discussion, more
like a discussion forum.

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Hi! Terry,

On 25 Jul 19 19:59, you wrote to me:

More likely memory loss and old age.

Ah, the other 'd' word. Darn! Foiled again!

Terry Roati - 3:640/1321

:)

Cheers,
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On 07-25-19 20:03, TERRY ROATI wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hi Tony,

Isn't strange and funny where we use new technology to explain old technology.

Haha, sometimes it happens. :D


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oops

Terry Roati - 3:640/1321

On 25/07/2019 12:48 PM, Bjÿrn Felten wrote to TERRY ROATI:

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How do we know they are a gentlemen.

You can easily recognize a gentlemen once you know what to look for.

If all

other tell-tales fail, at least he's the one who follows a gentlemen's agreement. DUH! 8-)

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

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As Paul already has pointed out, your sig is out of order.

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Nigel Reed wrote to Dan Clough <=-

To make sure I understand that correctly - is it generally
preferred to use real names in "sysop only" echos? Also how
about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

I really can't be bothered trying to figure out which nets/echoes
can use aliases and which not. I just force all to use real
names. Who really knows if the using logging in is using their
real name anyway so it really is just academic at this point.

Good point. I may go back to using just the real name in all
echos/nets myself. Using an alias has created unforeseen issues
with the offline mail reader I use (Multimail) not flagging all
"personal" messages to me. I know why now, but have had to stop
using the QWKE format which provides additional features that I
don't want to lose. Very aggravating.


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On 25 Jul 19 19:57:20, Terry Roati said the following to Holger Granholm:

In Fido the user or his node is blocked if the node doesn't block the

user.

Whether the user name is real or not, what is important is where the user posts from.

If you're referring to a feed cut, those are largely unenforcable these days.

I have had three requests for feed cuts over the years, which I refused to "obey". Nothing happened and in all three the fires extinguished themselves.

We have long time trolls like Lee Lofaso posting in Fidonews, hiding behind a BBS, refusing or too incompetent to get a node number, etc. yet no consequences for him; he appears to be welcomed with open arms / open legs.

Rules 'schmules...

Nick

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he appears to be welcomed with open arms / open legs.

Welcomed is not equal to allowed, mind you.

Lee is posting in an echo, and from a BBS, legally covered by Swedish law. In Sweden we still allow a lot of leniency regarding freedom of speech.

Albeit, under the pressure of the most oppressive country in the world, we are slowly losing that freedom, so it might be worth it to hold your breath on this one...




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Hello, Nick Andre.
On 25/07/19 09:23 you wrote:

We have long time trolls like Lee Lofaso posting in Fidonews,
hiding behind a BBS, refusing or too incompetent to get a node
number, etc. yet no consequences for him; he appears to be
welcomed with open arms / open legs.

I saw the "Lofaso" troll in action and I agree with you, he is annoying.

When I met fidonet for the first time in the middle of the '80s the moderators did their work and the SysOPs were more respective about the rules and the moderators directives.

When I met the internet newsgroups the first rule that I learned was "don't feed the trolls", and I think that it could be still useful with mr.Lofaso but he should be kicked off by the node owner because I still believe that fidonet isn't internet and it's messages should be qualitatively better than internet news messages, otherwise why join fidonet? :)
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Hello, Bj�rn Felten.
On 25/07/19 17:33 you wrote:

Lee is posting in an echo, and from a BBS, legally covered by
Swedish law. In Sweden we still allow a lot of leniency regarding
freedom of speech.

But hi is off topic. Maybe not every time but surely often. One time I wrote about the topic of the conference askig if it's still valid and someone answered yes it is, so why Lee is still off topic?

I don't want to start a flame but the quality of the fidonet's echo was also in these things, otherwise is only another newsgroup but more difficult to access in, so why loose time to read it? ;)

Albeit, under the pressure of the most oppressive country in
the world, we are slowly losing that freedom, so it might be worth
it to hold your breath on this one...

You freedom stops when my begins. ;)

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On 25 Jul 19 17:33:03, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

Albeit, under the pressure of the most oppressive country in the world, are slowly losing that freedom, so it might be worth it to hold your

breath

this one...

We do not have freedom of speech in Canada. Anything which offends a certain race/class of people can be construed as "hate speech". If you do not tow
the liberal/socialist party line or question authority figures, you can be investigated and/or charged accordingly. And if you have young children,
have them taken away from you by the courts if you have them question what they are being taught.

Nick

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Lee is posting in an echo, and from a BBS, legally covered by
Swedish law. In Sweden we still allow a lot of leniency regarding
freedom of speech.

But hi is off topic.

We have nothing, yet, in Swedish law that limits the freedom of speech based on being on topic or not. I usually tell him when he's too far off limit, and he always respects my request. Good enough for me.

Freedom of speech is a binary freedom, like every other freedom. Either you have it or you don't. As soon as you apply even a minor restriction, that binary goes into NOT -- hey presto, you no longer have it at all.

The same goes for every freedom you can think of. Either you have it or you don't. There is no middle way here, you only are manipulated to think so...




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We do not have freedom of speech in Canada. Anything which offends a

certain

race/class of people can be construed as "hate speech". If you do not tow the liberal/socialist party line or question authority figures, you can

be

investigated and/or charged accordingly. And if you have young children, have them taken away from you by the courts if you have them question

what

they are being taught.

Really? And here I thought that Sweden was on a slippery slope with all our "hate" related new laws.

WOW! Canada? The northern outpost for USAians that got tired of their own country? WOW!





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On 2019 Jul 24 11:59:04, Henri Derksen wrote to you:

Also how about FidoNet echos - should ALL of them use real names?

In my opinion, YES!

For most echo's you are very right.
But in an alterNet we had a special chat area "Klets" with much nonsense,

in the old SIP* echos, aliases were recommended... especially in SIPAA and similar where one was a recovering alcoholic or drug user and the discussions were about their recovery and problems they may be facing...

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On 2019 Jul 24 09:33:00, you wrote to Frank Linhares:

Echomail isn't covered in Fido's P4.

Tell me please, what is the difference between Netmail and Echomail.

the AREA line and a few control lines...

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On 2019 Jul 24 09:33:00, you wrote to Terry Roati:

As long as the sender has a node number it's easy to check the
nodelist for the owner of that node number.

the owner of a node number may not be the writer of the message... many folk in Z2 have forgotten all about BBSes with hundreds of users on them... you haven't of course, since you actually still run a BBS ;)

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On 2019 Jul 25 17:37:40, you wrote to Nick Andre:

[...] I still believe that fidonet isn't internet and it's messages
should be qualitatively better than internet news messages, otherwise
why join fidonet? :)

agreed except for one thing... users do not join fidonet... they join BBSes... BBSes join fidonet ;)

)\/(ark

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users do not join fidonet... they join BBSes... BBSes join fidonet ;)

ACK that!




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On 07-25-19 08:01, Dan Clough wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

Good point. I may go back to using just the real name in all
echos/nets myself. Using an alias has created unforeseen issues
with the offline mail reader I use (Multimail) not flagging all
"personal" messages to me. I know why now, but have had to stop
using the QWKE format which provides additional features that I
don't want to lose. Very aggravating.

Mo you don't have to quit QWKE, I'm using it and don't have the problem you described. I've posted my setup for you to see in another message.


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Tony Langdon wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Good point. I may go back to using just the real name in all
echos/nets myself. Using an alias has created unforeseen issues
with the offline mail reader I use (Multimail) not flagging all
"personal" messages to me. I know why now, but have had to stop
using the QWKE format which provides additional features that I
don't want to lose. Very aggravating.

Mo you don't have to quit QWKE, I'm using it and don't have the
problem you described. I've posted my setup for you to see in
another message.

Thanks, I saw that and will be trying that configuration.
Appreciate it.



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Hi Nick,

Yes I was referring to a feed cut, well done on your actions as with time the fire went out.

I came back to Fidonet after 15+ years, back then as you know there were quite a few Moderators over the top but now the echos seem generally peacful but
with robust debates.

Lee is not a bother to me, I am sure there are a few background stories about him, I am just amazed he has so much time to spare.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1321


On Jul 25, 2019 09:23am, Nick Andre wrote to Terry Roati:

On 25 Jul 19 19:57:20, Terry Roati said the following to Holger
Granholm:

In Fido the user or his node is blocked if the node doesn't block the
user.
Whether the user name is real or not, what is important is where the
user
posts from.

If you're referring to a feed cut, those are largely unenforcable these days.

I have had three requests for feed cuts over the years, which I refused
to "obey". Nothing happened and in all three the fires extinguished themselves.

We have long time trolls like Lee Lofaso posting in Fidonews, hiding behind a BBS, refusing or too incompetent to get a node number, etc.
yet no consequences for him; he appears to be welcomed with open arms / open legs.

Rules 'schmules...

Nick

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On 07-25-19 20:30, Dan Clough wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Thanks, I saw that and will be trying that configuration.
Appreciate it.

Let me know how you go. :)


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Hello Björn!

25 Jul 19 19:36, you wrote to me:

But hi is off topic.

We have nothing, yet, in Swedish law that limits the freedom of
speech based on being on topic or not. I usually tell him when he's
too far off limit, and he always respects my request. Good enough for
me.

But we all toghether are in a Fidonet Echo Conference and this conference is ruled by:

1) A general policy
2) A specific policy (where available)
3) Conference specific rules.

An these rules are "Super Partes" they rules over the specific country rules as usual for an international network.

You are the moderator of fidonews and you (or someone before you) wrote the rules that are reminded to all of us periodically, this is the core of your rules:

8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---

Purpose:

The purpose of this echo is the discussion of recent articles (within the last two weeks) in the Fidonews publication.

Rules:

Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A certain amount of straying from this is however expected and encouraged.

8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---8<---SNIP---

So, how many times mr.Lofaso followed these rules?
Unless for you "a certain amount of straying" for you is "always straying". :P

Freedom of speech is a binary freedom, like every other freedom.
Either you have it or you don't. As soon as you apply even a minor restriction, that binary goes into NOT -- hey presto, you no longer
have it at all.

You should talk about certain arguments in the proper echoes, Sysops have even three chat conferences, other conferences with the topics usually used by mr.Lofaso are available for standard echo conference users, so again why he is writing off topic messages in the wrong area? :)

You have the freedom to speech about everything also if I don't like your arguments (Voltaire docet) but you have to do it in the proper area with the proper terms IMHO.

The same goes for every freedom you can think of. Either you have
it or you don't. There is no middle way here, you only are manipulated
to think so...

Freedom without rules is called anarchy. ;)
And Anarchy is always wrong.

I really like the way you defend freedom and how you feel about it, but rules are necessary if you want to respect the freedom of everyone. :)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello mark!

25 Jul 19 14:26, you wrote to me:

[...] I still believe that fidonet isn't internet and it's
messages should be qualitatively better than internet news
messages, otherwise why join fidonet? :)

agreed except for one thing... users do not join fidonet... they join BBSes... BBSes join fidonet ;)

You forget about poits. :)
A Point is the leaf of a node, so a user that runs a point basically join fidonet. :P

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello TERRY!

26 Jul 19 14:19, you wrote to Nick Andre:

I came back to Fidonet after 15+ years, back then as you know there
were quite a few Moderators over the top but now the echos seem
generally peacful but with robust debates.

This is my same story! :)

In Italy twenty years ago all the italian conferences were moderated and let me say that the contents was really excellent.

the quarrels were turned off as soon as they appeared and if someone did not respect the rules, the Sysop chased him away on the recommendation of the moderator.

All of this produced a clean conference and high quality contents. :)

Ciao!
Fabio

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On 07-26-19 08:19, Fabio Bizzi wrote to mark lewis <=-

You forget about poits. :)
A Point is the leaf of a node, so a user that runs a point basically
join fidonet. :P

While points do use Fidonet protocols and have their own point address, Fidonet
policy treats them as users of their boss node, so administratively, points don't actually join Fidonet. They just use the same protocols to access mail.


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Hello Fabio,

I am Australian but lived in the Philippines when I ran my BBS, the problem there was an over zealous Moderator who was British and a friend of mine.

He would terrorize the echos he moderated so I would have a chat with him to calm down usually by reminding him it was only a hobby and that saying
negative things about Filippinos in public did not go down well.

I had only 2 nodes and over 1000 users, like Italy we had many local echos which all had pretty good traffic.

I used to host the Fidonet Philippines site, I have added it back to my system for historical purposes if you want to visit.

http://tfb-bbs.org/public/fidophil/f-menu.htm


Terry Roati - 3:640/1321


On Jul 26, 2019 08:20am, Fabio Bizzi wrote to TERRY ROATI:

Hello TERRY!

26 Jul 19 14:19, you wrote to Nick Andre:

I came back to Fidonet after 15+ years, back then as you know there
were quite a few Moderators over the top but now the echos seem
generally peacful but with robust debates.

This is my same story! :)

In Italy twenty years ago all the italian conferences were moderated
and let me say that the contents was really excellent.

the quarrels were turned off as soon as they appeared and if someone
did not respect the rules, the Sysop chased him away on the
recommendation of the moderator.

All of this produced a clean conference and high quality contents. :)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello Tony!

26 Jul 19 20:07, you wrote to me:

While points do use Fidonet protocols and have their own point
address, Fidonet policy treats them as users of their boss node, so administratively, points don't actually join Fidonet. They just use
the same protocols to access mail.

The explanation creaks! :P

Ciao!
Fabio

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Tony Langdon wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Thanks, I saw that and will be trying that configuration.
Appreciate it.

Let me know how you go. :)

Looks like I'm good. Some "real name" echomail to me this morning
got flagged into the "Personal" box, which wasn't happening
before.

The root cause of my problems was that I had turned off the "Index
Files" option in QWK packet config. If you read the Linux man
page for Multimail, it sort of hints that ignoring the NDX files
might be the better option, so I did that. Turns out that breaks
the recognition of "real name" as a personal mail.

Again I appreciate your help, cheers!


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On 2019 Jul 26 08:19:24, you wrote to me:

[...] I still believe that fidonet isn't internet and it's
messages should be qualitatively better than internet news
messages, otherwise why join fidonet? :)

agreed except for one thing... users do not join fidonet... they join
BBSes... BBSes join fidonet ;)

You forget about poits. :)

no i didn't... points are not nodes... points are "super users" on the BBS that is their boss...

A Point is the leaf of a node, so a user that runs a point basically
join fidonet. :P

only if they pull fidonet areas from their boss node...

)\/(ark

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On 2019 Jul 26 20:07:00, you wrote to Fabio Bizzi:

You forget about poits. :)
A Point is the leaf of a node, so a user that runs a point basically
join fidonet. :P

While points do use Fidonet protocols and have their own point address, Fidonet policy treats them as users of their boss node, so administratively, points don't actually join Fidonet. They just use the same protocols to access mail.

absolutely correct... IIRC, policy uses the term "super user" for points ;)

)\/(ark

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On 25 Jul 19 20:04:56, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

Really? And here I thought that Sweden was on a slippery slope with all "hate" related new laws.

WOW! Canada? The northern outpost for USAians that got tired of their

ow

country? WOW!

As much as our country loves to belittle and insult the USA for electing
Donald Trump, fact is, our PM was only elected because of his hairstyle and last-name. Our little puppy sure got housebroken by USA in trade negotiation and has embarassed our country tremendously. What is the old saying... "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

Our PM has gone on world tours at great taxpayer-expense to sing the virtues
of "humankind" (the word mankind is offensive), make apologies for dictators (Castro), and pander to every ethnic group imaginable, in the name of votes, especially pandering the victimhood-mentality.

Whats worse, is that our PM is not even intelligent enough to conceive of any of this on his own - At least that would show some conviction in his beliefs; he merely only does what his handlers/liberal advisors instruct him to do.

The victim mentality goes perfect with a hefty dose of Hate Speech laws along with politically-correct euphemistic inclusive language.

Nick

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On 26 Jul 19 14:19:24, Terry Roati said the following to Nick Andre:

I came back to Fidonet after 15+ years, back then as you know there were

qu

a few Moderators over the top but now the echos seem generally peacful but with robust debates.

It may be more peaceful here now, as a result of the departure of some individuals responsible for perpetuating zone-wars and censorship. However many Sysops do not like Fido's bad reputation and instead find much more enjoyment on other networks such as FSXnet, Scinet, Micronet, etc.

Nick

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On 26 Jul 19 07:57:08, Fabio Bizzi said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

But we all toghether are in a Fidonet Echo Conference and this conference ruled by:

1) A general policy
2) A specific policy (where available)
3) Conference specific rules.

Sorry, its not ruled by any of this. Fidonews has been a free-form chat area for many years. In a way, its a good thing - at least it has a moderator who does not act like a Napoleon dictator. I may not agree with Bjorn on all things but at least he does not throw around the title.

Even if an echo area had a Napoleon dictator, and tried to issue a feed-cut to a system that broke whatever the rules were, the assumption is that the feed-cut would be honoured. Thanks to FidoWeb mesh-distribution, its difficult for this to happen.

And there are not many of us left... do we really need rules-posts every month, as if we are all children? I do not believe so.

Nick

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It may be more peaceful here now, as a result of the departure of some individuals responsible for perpetuating zone-wars and censorship.
However many Sysops do not like Fido's bad reputation and instead find much more enjoyment on other networks such as FSXnet, Scinet, Micronet, etc.

True story.

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On 07-26-19 08:56, Dan Clough wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Tony Langdon wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Thanks, I saw that and will be trying that configuration.
Appreciate it.

Let me know how you go. :)

Looks like I'm good. Some "real name" echomail to me this morning
got flagged into the "Personal" box, which wasn't happening
before.

Cool. :) Yeah I couldn't see why it shouldn't work, it does for me, and FWIW, this was picked up as "personal" here, addressed to my real name. :)

The root cause of my problems was that I had turned off the "Index
Files" option in QWK packet config. If you read the Linux man
page for Multimail, it sort of hints that ignoring the NDX files
might be the better option, so I did that. Turns out that breaks
the recognition of "real name" as a personal mail.

Yeah, oops. Some settings on the BBS end do cause Multimail to barf on the packet, but the ones we're both using seem to be the best.

Again I appreciate your help, cheers!

You're welcome! :)


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On 07-26-19 11:05, mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

While points do use Fidonet protocols and have their own point address, Fidonet policy treats them as users of their boss node, so administratively, points don't actually join Fidonet. They just use the same protocols to access mail.

absolutely correct... IIRC, policy uses the term "super user" for
points ;)

That does ring a bell, I'm pretty sure you're correct on that point.


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In a message on 07-25-19 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Mark,

in the old SIP* echos, aliases were recommended... especially in
SIPAA and similar where one was a recovering alcoholic or drug user
and the discussions were about their recovery and problems they may
be facing...

OK, but an echo totally unknown to me. I understand the reason though.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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In a message on 07-25-19 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Paul.

It's a long time, mate.

Yes it's a long time since we had "direct" contact.

On 07/24/2019 09:33 AM, you wrote to Terry Roati:

But of course the node number may also point to a host that is
forwarding your mail.

We have to forgive Terry at times, as he has a predilection towards dyslexia since he retired. The correct answer is 3:640/1321. :)

OK.

By-the-by, I have a new email contact:
quinn421138[at]iinet[dot]com[dot]au - if your favourite GS is still collecting them. ;)

It's a lomg address. Does your previous address still work?
I'm not collecting them but I have given my GS a few addresses to send a message to when I have passed away.

Yours is one of them.

I envy your temperatures. Europe is suffering from a heat wave and we
are also hit by it. In most of Europe the temperatures get well over
40øC but here at least close to the sea we stay under 27øC.

In both Sweden and Finland the temperatures get over 30øC.

I follow the weather reports especially for Brisbane and Sydney and see
that the temperatures hover around 20øC. Of course it's winter there.


Have a good evening,

Holger



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In a message on 07-25-19 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

On 07-24-19 09:33, Holger Granholm wrote to Frank Linhares <=-

Hi Tony,

Tell me please, what is the difference between Netmail and Echomail.

Similar to the difference between email and newsgroups.

Netmail is one on one messaging. Echomail is group discussion, more
like a discussion forum.

OK understood. I use both Fidonet and Internet for messaging.


Have a good night,

Holger


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In a message on 07-25-19 Terry Roati said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Terry,

So why make a rule that is unforcable, as I pointed out I don't
think it matters whether the user name is real or not.

Time to move with the times.

Just my opinion of course.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1231

Yes, and I stated my opinion.


Have a nice evening,

Holger


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Hi! Holger,

On 07/26/2019 08:20 PM, you wrote:

By-the-by, I have a new email contact:

It's a lomg address. Does your previous address still work?

The old one, no, none of the ones I used to have. (One got hacked, hijacked & held for ransom. They thought it belonged to a website of mine. I wasn't using it so I just laughed it off.) The one I gave you was from an ISP that I no longer use. Hence the new one from a different ISP providing broadband.

I'm not collecting them but I have given my GS a few addresses to send a message to when I have passed away.
Yours is one of them.

Yes, I thank you.

I envy your temperatures. Europe is suffering from a heat wave and we
are also hit by it. In most of Europe the temperatures get well over
40°C but here at least close to the sea we stay under 27°C.

I was astonished to see news of the forest fires in Siberia & Alaska/Canada. The northern hemisphere is really 'getting it in the neck' this summer of yours.

In both Sweden and Finland the temperatures get over 30°C.

Nice. ;)

I follow the weather reports especially for Brisbane and Sydney and see that the temperatures hover around 20°C. Of course it's winter there.

25.5C here at 1430hr. On the lounge in shorts & t-shirt watching TV, I undid my light jacket's zipper but kept my socks & boots on. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hence the new one from a different ISP providing broadband.

You can have one from me if you like. E.g. pq(at)felten.se or something like that. Under Swedish jurisdiction... 8-)



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Hello, Nick Andre.
On 26/07/19 07:27 you wrote:

Sorry, its not ruled by any of this. Fidonews has been a free-form
chat area

[...]

I agree with the most of Bjorn Thought about freedom, I know about fascisms and freedom has no price, but as I wrote before freedom without rules is anarchy and IMHO is wrong.

If you permit in an area with a specific topic, messages that are clearly off-topic (I'm voluntary leave out the rudeness and the offenses, these are other matter) you are permitting noise and the area automatically loose of interest (this is obviously my opinion).

I re joined fidonet because I,ve lost interest in the internet newsgroup for this reason, haters, trolls, people with clear psychological disease and so on that were everywhere, my recalls about fidonet was nice people, clear echoes, good moderators and high quality messages and topics, now I'm asking myself "It's still true"? :(

Even if an echo area had a Napoleon dictator, and tried to issue a feed-cut to a system that broke whatever the rules were, the
assumption is that the feed-cut would be honoured. Thanks to
FidoWeb mesh-distribution, its difficult for this to happen.

This is really sad! :(
So the "gold time" fidonet is lost forever?

Thank you Nick. :)

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Hi! Björn,

On 07/27/2019 04:42 PM, you wrote:

Hence the new one from a different ISP providing broadband.

You can have one from me if you like. E.g. pq(at)felten.se or something like that. Under Swedish jurisdiction... 8-)

Ooh, that's tempting... if I had a need. Thanks anyway. Strangely, having multiple email addresses isn't important to me any longer. I can have heaps of aliases off of iinet as it is. Nearly a phonebook's worth. 8-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Ooh, that's tempting... if I had a need. Thanks anyway. Strangely, having multiple email addresses isn't important to me any longer. I can have heaps of aliases off of iinet as it is. Nearly a phonebook's
worth. 8-)

But can anybody remember any of them, and write them down from the top of their head? 8-)



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Hi! Björn,

On 27 Jul 19 13:23, you wrote to me:

Nearly a phonebook's worth. 8-)

But can anybody remember any of them, and write them down from the
top of their head? 8-)

How can anyone forget:

quinn - the mighty eskimo
42 - the ultimate answer to LTUAE
1138 - a number very important for George Lucas

I took my lead from Rodney McKay (Stargate Atlantis) on how to form passwords, and in this case, an email address. (FYI, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2qu8oB3Bq4 )

Cheers,
Paul.

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How can anyone forget:

quinn - the mighty eskimo
42 - the ultimate answer to LTUAE
1138 - a number very important for George Lucas

But that's only the part to the left of the curly A. What about the rest? 8-




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Hi! Björn,

On 07/28/2019 12:58 AM, you wrote:

How can anyone forget:

quinn - the mighty eskimo
42 - the ultimate answer to LTUAE
1138 - a number very important for George Lucas

But that's only the part to the left of the curly A. What about the rest? 8-

Oh that's variable. E.g. I have an identically-named Gmail account. I hate it to itty bits but it's a modern necessity.

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 07-26-19 20:20, Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

OK understood. I use both Fidonet and Internet for messaging.

Me too. :)


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In a message on 07-27-19 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Good afternoon Paul,

Yours is one of them.

Yes, I thank you.

OK. Now that I know that, I'll send you a resume of recent happenings by e-mail.

I was astonished to see news of the forest fires in Siberia & Alaska/Canada. The northern hemisphere is really 'getting it in the
neck' this summer of yours.

Yes we have, but here in scandinavia we haven't so far had any big
forest fires, only small fires due to careless grill users

In both Sweden and Finland the temperatures get over 30ø.

Nice. ;)

It's too hot for us scandinavians but relief is on its way from NE and
the heat wave will move to Greenland. Not very nice for them.

25.5C here at 1430hr. On the lounge in shorts & t-shirt watching
TV, I undid my light jacket's zipper but kept my socks & boots on.

Sitting here indoors with only an open thin shortsleeved shirt and short underpants. Going out of course requires shorts but the shirt is enough.
I use socks all the time but shoes will be necessary outdoors.

For tomorrow we are promised a temperature close to what you had now.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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At 5:37 PM on 25 Jul 19, Fabio Bizzi said to Nick Andre:

When I met the internet newsgroups the first rule that I learned was
"don't feed the trolls", and I think that it could be still useful with mr.Lofaso but he should be kicked off by the node owner because I still believe that fidonet isn't internet and it's messages should be qualitatively better than internet news messages, otherwise why join fidonet? :)

Just to second this, that is why I am here. I have become increasingly disillusioned with the internet over the past couple of
years, and have sought to reduce its presence in my life as much as is possible. Fidonet, I hope, will be a source of richer,
saner conversation - away from the algorithm-stoked flame wars and outrage that makes up so much of internet discourse.

Here's hoping!

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On 3/09/2019 13:46, Simon Geddes -> Fabio Bizzi wrote:

mr.Lofaso but he should be kicked off by the node owner because I still
believe that fidonet isn't internet and it's messages should be
qualitatively better than internet news messages, otherwise why join
fidonet? :)

Just to second this, that is why I am here. I have become increasingly disillusioned with the internet over the past couple of
years, and have sought to reduce its presence in my life as much as is possible. Fidonet, I hope, will be a source of richer,
saner conversation - away from the algorithm-stoked flame wars and
outrage that makes up so much of internet discourse.

Have you considered communicating with real people in the real world day to day?

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Hello David!

Have you considered communicating with real people in the real world
day to day?

So you're a fake human being? :P

Also when you call someone on the phone you are communicating with fake people in a fake world?

IMHO fidonet is still a place when you can communicate with someone in the opposite side of the world (yes also with that strange people from Australia :P :P :P) with the possibility of having a good and satisfying conversation, without taking anything away from the usual social everyday life.

The initial issue was another... ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hi! Fabio,

On 09/03/2019 04:03 PM, you wrote to David Drummond:

Have you considered communicating with real people in the real world
day to day?

So you're a fake human being? :P

I'm starting to think so. It's been a very very, very very long time since I met with him the last time.

Ahhm, I have to ask: is it acceptable that a Chicken Parmigiana dish be served with steamed vegetables and oven-baked 'quartered' potatoes?

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Paul!

03 Sep 19 18:46, you wrote to me:

So you're a fake human being? :P

I'm starting to think so. It's been a very very, very very long time since I met with him the last time.

BTW Australia is a huge place. :P

Ahhm, I have to ask: is it acceptable that a Chicken Parmigiana dish
be served with steamed vegetables and oven-baked 'quartered' potatoes?

I have fear to ask for but I have to do it, What is a "Chicken Parmigiana"?

Ciao!
Fabio

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Ahhm, I have to ask: is it acceptable that a Chicken Parmigiana dish FB>PQ> be served with steamed vegetables and oven-baked 'quartered'

potatoes?

I have fear to ask for but I have to do it, What is a "Chicken
Parmigiana"?

It's one of the many things that Anglophiles including Americans and Cannucks think is "Italian Cuisine".

Something like put pineapple on something and claim it's Hawaiian, put grated Parmezan cheese on whatever and claim it's Italian.

\%/@rd

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Hi! Fabio,

On 09/03/2019 10:17 PM, you wrote:

BTW Australia is a huge place. :P

Yes, I've visited three out of four cardinal points of its geography. So far, only Darwin has escaped opportunity for my travels. But I have been as far north in this state as is reasonable. I have a firm idea of this continent's size.

Ahhm, I have to ask: is it acceptable that a Chicken Parmigiana dish
be served with steamed vegetables and oven-baked 'quartered'
potatoes?

I have fear to ask for but I have to do it, What is a "Chicken

Parmigiana"?

Ah. Then uncle Google is your friend. I looked thereon as well. Thank you for your help.

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 3/09/2019 16:03, Fabio Bizzi -> David Drummond wrote:

Hello David!

Have you considered communicating with real people in the real world
day to day?

So you're a fake human being? :P

Also when you call someone on the phone you are communicating with fake people in a fake world?

IMHO fidonet is still a place when you can communicate with someone in
the opposite side of the world (yes also with that strange people from Australia :P :P :P) with the possibility of having a good and satisfying conversation, without taking anything away from the usual social
everyday life.

The initial issue was another... ;)

Communicating via Fidonet or Facebook for the greater part is not with "real people" in the "real world" - merely with electronic representations there-of.

How many of your Facebook "friends" have you actually met? How about the folks you write to in here?


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Regards
David

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On 3/09/2019 18:46, Paul Quinn -> Fabio Bizzi wrote:

Have you considered communicating with real people in the real world
day to day?

So you're a fake human being? :P

I'm starting to think so. It's been a very very, very very long time since I met with him the last time.

I am no longer a real person, merely a "bot" running on this computer. One day the power will turn off and I will be no more.

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Regards
David

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On 3/09/2019 22:17, Fabio Bizzi -> Paul Quinn wrote:

So you're a fake human being? :P

I'm starting to think so. It's been a very very, very very long time
since I met with him the last time.

BTW Australia is a huge place. :P

My domicile is only about 100km from his.

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David

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On 4/09/2019 08:18, Paul Quinn -> Fabio Bizzi wrote:

BTW Australia is a huge place. :P

Yes, I've visited three out of four cardinal points of its geography. So far, only Darwin has escaped opportunity for my travels. But I have
been as far north in this state as is reasonable. I have a firm idea of this continent's size.

During July and August I drove a little over 8000km. From here at Bucca, north to Rockhampton, west through Emerald and many other towns, through Mount Isa, continuing west until I hit the Stuart Highway then north to Darwin.

Back south to Katherine then west to almost the Western Australia border.

Then back to Katherine, south to Tennant Creek, east to the coast at Townsville and back south on the Bruce Highway and home to Bucca.

On the way back east across the Barkly Tableland I got an error light on the dash, and the vehicle's computer "de-powered" the engine into "limp mode". At Mount Isa I had a mechanic plug his diagnostic computer in and tell me I was "loosing turbo boost". I was aware that there was a pin hole in the hose between the second turbo and the inter-cooler but was surprised that it would make that much difference. Very little room to fit a hand in and feel anything but I tried duct tape anyway.

I limped home and took it into the Bundaberg dealer (no VW dealer at Mt Isa) to have that hose replaced. $430.00 later and the bloody fault still popped up. Now they have it back replacing some vacuum valve the controls the two turbos and the waste-gate. They've quoted another $420.00 to fix that.

I guess I won't be going distance driving again for a while until I recover financially.

The Australian age pension isn't overly generous...

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Regards
David

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Hi! David,

On 09/04/2019 03:34 PM, you wrote:

I am no longer a real person, merely a "bot" running on this computer.
One day the power will turn off and I will be no more.

Please do us the courtesy of telling us beforehand, mate. Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello David!

04 Sep 19 15:33, you wrote to me:

Communicating via Fidonet or Facebook for the greater part is not with "real people" in the "real world" - merely with electronic
representations there-of.

Ideas, behaviours, concepts represent a person and all of them can be expressed by any kind of media, paper + letter, a phone call, an one-to-one meet, an one-to-all meet and electronic messages.

The media (any kind, also "speech") are the way to express your being. :)

How many of your Facebook "friends" have you actually met? How about
the folks you write to in here?

This is the vantage of the "electronic" media, I can exchange my experience with persons that are really difficult to meet for me. :)

To answer better to your question, lot of facebook friends are old friends met befor the electronic era (yes I'm beginning to be old), some of them now are far from my city and FB is a way to keep in touch with them (also with phone calls and so on).

Don't confuse the technology with the being, if someone is a "fake" he'll be a fake both in the "real" and in the "other" worlds. ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello Paul!

04 Sep 19 08:18, you wrote to me:

I have fear to ask for but I have to do it, What is a "Chicken
Parmigiana"?

Ah. Then uncle Google is your friend. I looked thereon as well.
Thank you for your help.

Well I think I've lost enough time on this horror to go further. :)
Thank you too.

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hi! David,

On 09/04/2019 03:47 PM, you wrote:

During July and August I drove a little over 8000km. From here at Bucca, north to Rockhampton, west through Emerald and many other towns, through Mount Isa, continuing west until I hit the Stuart Highway then north to Darwin.

Holy shitbags, batman! Ah, did you visit the previous NC's "tatooed lady"? Remember his yearly trips to Darwin? And then 'no comment' after his return. Show us yer tatts, next visit. ;)

On the way back east across the Barkly Tableland I got an error light on the dash, and the vehicle's computer "de-powered" the engine into "limp

[ ...trimmed... ]

controls the two turbos and the waste-gate. They've quoted another
$420.00 to fix that.

Yeah, the Isa may be a big city but it still is only a small town. My #2 daughter lives & works there.

Bugger. I was lucky, using someone else's wheels. The best I ever did when I was young, rich and therefore single, was an overnighter from BrisVegas to Sydney on a Friday. Then same for the return a weekend later. Since I was the designated driver I could only peruse the goodies on the Cross and not allowed to touch.

I guess I won't be going distance driving again for a while until I recover financially.

I don't drive any longer. And am glad of it, based on the antics in the 'Dash Cam Owners Australia -monthly- Compilation' vids on EwwToob. Man, it's a zoo out there!

The Australian age pension isn't overly generous...

It's been kind to me but I don't don't spend much. The NBN provides much of my entertainment.

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 4/09/2019 16:03, Paul Quinn -> David Drummond wrote:

I am no longer a real person, merely a "bot" running on this

computer.

One day the power will turn off and I will be no more.

Please do us the courtesy of telling us beforehand, mate. Thanks in advance.

I suspect that if I shuffle off my mortal coil in my sleep I won't know in advance to tell you...

I do not expect it to happen for a while yet :)

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Regards
David

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Hi! David,

On 04 Sep 19 20:06, you wrote to me:

I do not expect it to happen for a while yet :)

Was I being too mercurial for the irony taint? 8-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 04 Sep 19 15:33:18, David Drummond said the following to Fabio Bizzi:

How many of your Facebook "friends" have you actually met? How about the

fo

you write to in here?

I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it has been discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229 folk.

Nick

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Ward Dossche wrote to Fabio Bizzi <=-

Something like put pineapple on something and claim it's Hawaiian, put grated Parmezan cheese on whatever and claim it's Italian.

I like Parmesan cheese on Hawaiian pizza. Go figure.


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Hello, Kurt Weiske.
On 04/09/19 06:00 you wrote:

Ward Dossche wrote to Fabio Bizzi <=-

Something like put pineapple on something and claim it's
Hawaiian, put grated Parmezan cheese on whatever and claim it's
Italian.

I like Parmesan cheese on Hawaiian pizza. Go figure.

You're joking with the dead... :P
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Fabio.
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Hello, Nick Andre.
On 04/09/19 08:36 you wrote:

On 04 Sep 19 15:33:18, David Drummond said the following to Fabio
Bizzi:

How many of your Facebook "friends" have you actually met? How
about the fo you write to in here?

I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it
has been discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229
folk.

Ahem, may I apply to be one the fellows? :)
--
Ciao! :)
Fabio.
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Something like put pineapple on something and claim it's Hawaiian, KW>WD> put grated Parmezan cheese on whatever and claim it's Italian.

I like Parmesan cheese on Hawaiian pizza. Go figure.

I'm willing to bet you're from California.

\%/@rd

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I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it has been discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229 folk.

Like "when" ?

\%/@rd

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Hi! Ward,

On 04 Sep 19 20:21, you wrote to Kurt Weiske:

Something like put pineapple on something and claim it's

Hawaiian,

put grated Parmezan cheese on whatever and claim it's Italian.

I like Parmesan cheese on Hawaiian pizza. Go figure.

I'm willing to bet you're from California.

He could be an honorary Aussie. Both of those are favourite toppings over here. You fellers from the Old World ought to evolve & adapt a little. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 4/09/2019 08:36, Nick Andre -> David Drummond wrote:

On 04 Sep 19 15:33:18, David Drummond said the following to Fabio Bizzi:

How many of your Facebook "friends" have you actually met? How about

the folks you write to in here?

I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it has been discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229 folk.

Good for you.

We used to have Net640 get-togethers in the distant past. Now we are few, and spread over quite an area. To meet in one spot would take some arranging.


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Regards
David

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Just to second this, that is why I am here. I have become increasingly disillusioned with the internet over the past couple of
years, and have sought to reduce its presence in my life as much as is possible. Fidonet, I hope, will be a source of richer,
saner conversation - away from the algorithm-stoked flame wars and
outrage that makes up so much of internet discourse.

Have you considered communicating with real people in the real world day
to day?

I manage to do that a lot in the new career direction I embarked on a year or so ago. It's a good point though - and I need to be careful I don't wholesale replace internet addiction with BBS addiction!

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Paul,

I like Parmesan cheese on Hawaiian pizza. Go figure.

I'm willing to bet you're from California.

He could be an honorary Aussie. Both of those are favourite toppings
over here. You fellers from the Old World ought to evolve & adapt a little. ;)

I'm an honorary American. Discovered 'Canadian Ham and Bacon' pizza in 1972 in Great Falls Montana at Howard's Pizza Place ... This was "before" the "great pineapple on pizza debate" got started.

\%/@rd

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Hello Paul!

05 Sep 19 08:18, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

You fellers from the Old World ought to evolve & adapt a little. ;)

Evolution is the dawn of new winning adaptations that bring advantages to the evolved organism.

Pineapple on Pizza and "Chicken Parmesana" are the opposite, they are a sign of a clear involution and regression and a finally a long lasting extinction. ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Fabio,

Pineapple on Pizza and "Chicken Parmesana" are the opposite, they are a sign of a clear involution and regression and a finally a long lasting extinction. ;)

I do not agree there.

The practice of mixing salty things like meats with sweetish things like fruits is a culinary art predating pineapple on pizza hundreds of years.

\%/@rd

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Hi! Fabio,

On 05 Sep 19 08:25, you wrote to me:

Pineapple on Pizza and "Chicken Parmesana" are the opposite, they are
a sign of a clear involution and regression and a finally a long
lasting extinction. ;)

Very funny, Fabio. 8-)

But look at the utility of having the pineapple topping: you won't need to suck orange to 'cut' the taste of the olives. Hey? Neat, isn't it? Good enough to eat. Haveago, mate. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Ward!

05 Sep 19 09:00, you wrote to me:

I do not agree there.

The practice of mixing salty things like meats with sweetish things
like fruits is a culinary art predating pineapple on pizza hundreds of years.

Hundred of years are only seconds in the evolution, in the next millennium all the pineapple pizza eaters will be extincted, in the meanwhile the only thing that we can do is trying to save them teaching them the real way to eat the real and healty Italian Pizza. :P

P.S. I'm still shocked by the image of a roasted chicken with the Parmigiano Reggiano (Parmesan is a fake german cheese) spreaded on it. :(

Ciao!
Fabio

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Fabio,

Hundred of years are only seconds in the evolution, in the next
millennium all the pineapple pizza eaters will be extincted, in the meanwhile the only thing that we can do is trying to save them teaching them the real way to eat the real and healty Italian Pizza. :P

There's nothing Italian about pizza ... nor spaghetti.

Look at the paintings by the old masters, they never depict pizza nor pasta ... Fake news ...

But there was already pineapply in the 1400's. Pineapple on pizza ... heaven.

\%/@rd

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Hello, Ward Dossche.
On 05/09/19 10:41 you wrote:

Fabio, There's nothing Italian about pizza ... nor spaghetti. Look
at the paintings by the old masters, they never depict pizza nor
pasta ... Fake news ... But there was already pineapply in the
1400's. Pineapple on pizza ... heaven.

You're gambling yor next shipment, be aware... :P

--
Ciao! :)
Fabio.
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Fabio,

Fabio, There's nothing Italian about pizza ... nor spaghetti. Look FB>WD> at the paintings by the old masters, they never depict pizza nor
pasta ... Fake news ... But there was already pineapply in the
1400's. Pineapple on pizza ... heaven.

You're gambling yor next shipment, be aware... :P

So you 'are' part of the Camorra after all ... blackmail. Not just any blackmail, but IEVOO-blackmail ... the worst. :-)

\%/@rd

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Hello, Ward Dossche.
On 05/09/19 14:22 you wrote:

You're gambling yor next shipment, be aware... :P

So you 'are' part of the Camorra after all ... blackmail. Not just
any blackmail, but IEVOO-blackmail ... the worst. :-)

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Baciamo le mani...
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Ciao! :)
Fabio.
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On 04 Sep 19 18:38:03, Fabio Bizzi said the following to Nick Andre:

On 04 Sep 19 15:33:18, David Drummond said the following to Fabio Bizzi:

How many of your Facebook "friends" have you actually met? How
about the fo you write to in here?

I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it
has been discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229 folk.

Ahem, may I apply to be one the fellows? :)

Sure, but we don't have a cost-sharing plan to cover your plane ticket here.

Nick

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On 04 Sep 19 20:23:57, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it has been discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229 folk.

Like "when" ?

When we can all mutually agree on a date/place, likely a shitty dive bar near my place that serves excellent wings and your favorite horse-piss beer.

I also enjoy loads of pineapple and parmesan cheese on pizza. My subsequent farts are very carefree and aromatic.

Nick

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On 05 Sep 19 09:06:09, David Drummond said the following to Nick Andre:

I'm not on Facebook but have met Ward in person and recently it has

be

discussed about having a night of beers amongst Net 229 folk.

Good for you.

We used to have Net640 get-togethers in the distant past. Now we are few, spread over quite an area. To meet in one spot would take some arranging.

You are more than invited to come to this one here in Toronto to enjoy wings and horse-piss shit beer, although as I explained to Fabio, we do not have a cost-sharing program to help pay for your plane ticket.

Nick

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Ward Dossche wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Something like put pineapple on something and claim it's Hawaiian,
put grated Parmezan cheese on whatever and claim it's Italian.

I like Parmesan cheese on Hawaiian pizza. Go figure.

I'm willing to bet you're from California.

Born and raised. We do traditional thick-crust Chicago style, thin crust New York Style, and weird, hippie west coast "white pizzas" with olive oil, ricotta and parmesan cheese, and pesto. All within a mile or so of each
other.


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Fabio,

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Are you a lawyer with only one customer perhaps ? :-)

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On 2019 Sep 05 09:00:32, you wrote to Fabio Bizzi:

Pineapple on Pizza and "Chicken Parmesana" are the opposite, they are
a sign of a clear involution and regression and a finally a long
lasting extinction. ;)

I do not agree there.

me either :)

The practice of mixing salty things like meats with sweetish things
like fruits is a culinary art predating pineapple on pizza hundreds of years.

should we mention salted caramel? O:)

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On 5/09/2019 14:31, Fabio Bizzi -> Ward Dossche wrote:

You're gambling yor next shipment, be aware... :P

So you 'are' part of the Camorra after all ... blackmail. Not just
any blackmail, but IEVOO-blackmail ... the worst. :-)

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

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David

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I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

<tsk, tsk, tsk, ...>

Please know your classics ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Hi! David,

On 09/06/2019 11:49 AM, you wrote to Fabio Bizzi:

On 5/09/2019 14:31, Fabio Bizzi -> Ward Dossche wrote:

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

Filler for a nice SpagBog could be an option?

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello David!

06 Sep 19 11:49, you wrote to me:

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

Raw, on the bed, under the blankets, only the head obviusly. ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Fabio,

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

Raw, on the bed, under the blankets, only the head obviusly. ;)

Some people do not know their classics.

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: Alias / Real names
By: Ward Dossche to David Drummond on Fri Sep 06 2019 07:39:52

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

<tsk, tsk, tsk, ...>

Please know your classics ... 8-)

name your pets, not your food :P


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On 6/09/2019 07:39, Ward Dossche -> David Drummond wrote:

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

<tsk, tsk, tsk, ...>

Please know your classics ... 8-)

Ah - it was only the head he was referring to?

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Regards
David

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On 6/09/2019 16:15, Fabio Bizzi -> David Drummond wrote:

I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

Raw, on the bed, under the blankets, only the head obviusly. ;)

I suspected that you may have meant that - but I was more interested in the food thread.

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Regards
David

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I've never asked it to you before, do you like horses? :D

Stewed or grilled (or on a pizza)?

Raw, on the bed, under the blankets, only the head obviusly. ;)

I suspected that you may have meant that - but I was more interested in
the food thread.

This was never about food in the first place ... he's Italian ,,, totally devoted to his Godfather and the family.

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

07 Sep 19 08:54, you wrote to David Drummond:

This was never about food in the first place ... he's Italian ,,,
totally devoted to his Godfather and the family.

Ward is a good "Picciotto", It's time to celebrate his new role in the family. :)

Ciao!
Fabio

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