* Crossposted from: Synchronet
Does SexPOTS work with virtual modems ? (eg. an inbound call via TCP/IP
on COM/IP or NetSerial) ?
I want to be able to pass BBS callers from an external frontend mailer to WINServer. Unfortunately WINServer only works with Platinum Xpress (a proprietary mailer).
I am not sure how SexPOTS works, but I am hoping it can interoperate a frontend mailer like Radius or Frontdoor with the Wildcat telnet server.
If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrier, and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the
connection on to WINServer, then SexPOTS might solve my problem.
SexPOTS is a small telnet app that works with a modem. The POTS part of the program name stands for Plain Old Telephone Service ... rumor has it the sex part of the program name was put there because Digital Man wasn't getting any...
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Sat Feb 20 2021 04:24 pm
SexPOTS is a small telnet app that works with a modem. The POTS part o program name stands for Plain Old Telephone Service ... rumor has it th part of the program name was put there because Digital Man wasn't getti any...
Ha! No, just my attempt at humor: Synchronet "Ex"ternal Plain Ole Telephone System support.
--- SBBSecho 3.13-Linux
If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrier, and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the
connection on to WINServer, then SexPOTS might solve my problem.
Marceline, I really don't understand what it is your trying to do...
BUT to answer your question... probably yes.
If you setup a windows based mailer... Doesn't matter which one,
configured that mailer to work with a modem, virtual or otherwise, the mailer will pass to the caller to the program SexPOTS. SexPOTS will
telnet the user to your BBS. I have tested SexPOTS in the past and it works fine
:Start
-null No 'AT commands' sent to modem
-com <device> Specify communications port device (or
number) -baud <rate> Specify baud rate for communications
port -live [handle] Communications port is already
open/connected -nohangup Do not hangup (drop DTR) after
call -host <addr | name> Specify TCP server hostname or IP
address -port <number> Specify TCP port number
-debug Enable debug log output
:Stop
see the -host and -port parameters?? That's were you would type in
the tcp/ip address to your BBS and when SexPOTS fires up it'll take
them there. If you wanted to put my address there... -host
joesbbs.com -port 2323 somebody would call your mailer and it would
pass to my BBS.
I have uploaded 2 mail tossers on my BBS for you... once you figure
this out you'll need something to process the mail...
There you go...
If an external mailer like Frontdoor can exit without dropping carrie and then SexPOTS can pickup and resume carrier and forward the connection on to WINServer, then SexPOTS might solve my problem.
Marceline, I really don't understand what it is your trying to do... BUT to answer your question... probably yes.
I am trying to get a frontend mailer to work with my Windows version of Wildcat (other than Platinum Xpress). From what people have been telling me, only Platinum Xpress works with the Windows versions of Wildcat; but maybe I can use a mailer as a Hub for other nodes and still pass human callers to Wildcat. Then when people ask why I have a mailer but no FTN message areas, I can indict Wildcat's proprietary message base.
Does SexPOTS work with DOS-based mailers ?
Looks like the author has covered all the bases with those options.
Maybe I can mount your Windows shares so that my BBS callers can read
and write directly to your message areas. Maybe you can run some kind of multi-tenant BBS.
I have uploaded 2 mail tossers on my BBS for you... once you figure this out you'll need something to process the mail...
There you go...
Can you provide details of the 2 tossers ? do they also scan WC5 mail ?
SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am
SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...
SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem
I have left my phone number to call me... no call.. I spent my own personal time looking for mail processors, found 2, told you about
these and uploaded them onto my BBS... and there they sit not downloaded....
I am end user. I am not a programmer and I'm not technician of some
kind. I spent most of my life in the financial field... I can explain
a short squeeze with Game Stop.... Anyway, from what I know you cannot
SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server... I used that term loosely... for those who know better do not kill me on this... throw
me a bone... If you configure this correctly it'll pass a human caller from a Mailer to a telnet-able BBS... regardless of what kind of BBS
you are running. As long as it's telnet-able. In this example the
mailer you use has to match SexPOTS... SexPOTS Win32 with Mailer
Win32.
Our good friend in the community, Robert Wolfe, compiled an OS/2
version of SexPOTS.... SO, it should work like I just described...
OS/2 Mailer, OS/2 Sexpots.. human caller calls the Mailer and caller
gets passed to any telnet-able BBS program.
Digital Man has put the source code out there... maybe it can be
compiled into DOS and or other platforms...
I have a few questions... Is your goal to get users to log onto your
BBS or is it to try and get a old DOS technology to work with current windows based technology.
If you just want to get old DOS technology to work with current
technology you might be in trouble. I'm not sure what is needed to
get this to work... Having said this... major Mailers have not been
worked on for close to a 1/4 of a century ... If there is a way to do
this it was lost in the programmers lack of curiosity in doing it. If
Ur goal is just to merge these 2 technologies I probably can't help
you any more than I have...
SexPOTS was made because most current BBS packages did not have a dial
up side, this was an answer to that problem. As feature rich as Synchronet & Mystic are, there was no dial in access... So, Digital
Man fixed that with this program. WC5 has a dial up side... If it
does not have Telnet use NetSerial... and I have gave you links on how
to setup WildCat with NetSerial.
An other question... Why do you have to have a user passed to a BBS if
you are not going to have echo mail and files passed to your BBS??
WC5 should be telnet-able and if your version isn't it should work
with NetSerial just fine.
99.999% of the people now a days do not use mailers to pass mail
around anyways. You can use either InterNET Rex, shareware, of BinkD, freeware to pass mail around... with little to no effort... free...
and again little to no effort... Mystic and Syncronet both have all of this included with their packages... enough said on that.
He has, and if it wasn't for the brave men and women coding and
advancing the software we use we wouldn't be where we are today..
No... the answer(s) are simple... If you want a feature rich BBS experience download SynchroNET or Mystic... both are awesome and both
are compete and work out of the box.... You can make these packages
look and feel like 1990 again... logon to fqbbs.synchro.net... Sysop
I have uploaded 2 mail tossers on my BBS for you... once you figure this out you'll need something to process the mail...
There you go...
Can you provide details of the 2 tossers ? do they also scan WC5 mail ?
I have uploaded them to my BBS, they are there for your taking...
Here's an offer.... call Andrea at Santronics... give her your
reg-codes, she'll need them to get PXW to work... I'll start a go fund
me page and get you a copy of PXW... I will do that for you... I'll
talk to Andrea to see if we can't get a better price. and I'll
promote the page until you have the funds needed to get PXW...
Legitimate offer... take it... if not there are 100's of examples
I logged on to your BBS and got "KM1P14.ZIP".
You said there were 2 but I only saw 1 in the general file section.
I am end user. I am not a programmer and I'm not technician of some kind. I spent most of my life in the financial field... I can explai a short squeeze with Game Stop.... Anyway, from what I know you canno
Are you loaded ?
That does not sound right. Telnet works on the TCP/IP stack. As long as both ends can do TCP/IP then DOS -> Win32 connections should work. I
have not tried it as I am currently only researching the scope and viability of various options. So far I am not impressed with Wildcat
5.0's dearth of tools.
SexPOTS on DOS would probably need a packet driver. I do not think
SexPOTS contains any packet driver code.
My goal is to get Fidonet on Wildcat 5.0, preferrably with a frontend mailer and tosser setup (except Platinum Xpress). From what I have seen
so far, the blocker is not the frontend mailer (given SexPOTS) but the proprietary Wildcat message base format. If I cannot import or export Wildcat messages then I cannot achieve my goal.
If you just want to get old DOS technology to work with current technology you might be in trouble. I'm not sure what is needed to get this to work... Having said this... major Mailers have not been worked on for close to a 1/4 of a century ... If there is a way to do this it was lost in the programmers lack of curiosity in doing it. If Ur goal is just to merge these 2 technologies I probably can't help you any more than I have...
Interoperability with DOS mailers and Windows BBS's can be overcome. Serial port communications can be resolved with virtual modems.
BSO-style outbounds are highly portable so it would not be hard to write custom scripts to pack mail for such mailers.
The problem is finding tossers and scanners that are compatible with Wildcat 5.0. It would not matter whether these programs run in DOS or Win32 as long as they can read and write Wildcat 5.0 message bases.
Thank you for finding KittyMail, it is appreciated.
I have NetSerial and COM-IP running for a number of BBS's (including Wildcat).
Not carrying echoes is a suboptimal situation but it is still useful. For example, I can run a frontend mailer to route mail for downlinks. If aI have made an offer to talk with you... and that offer still stands... If you are not in north America we can talk via Messenger or What's App ...
BBS caller hits the frontend mailer, then they can be received by a BBS.
You are not a real system operator if you are not running a frontend mailer.
Is Internet Rex still taking people's money ?
fTelnet is probably the coolest thing I have seen so far.
Setting up something to look the same is not the same as setting up the real thing. Some BBS's have widely different designs, configuration
styles and tool chains. Take Maximus and Wildcat 4 for an example. One
is highly corporate and menu driven, the other can edit 20 different configuration files at the same time (and thus different areas of the BBS). RemoteAccess feels like home shareware, while PCBoard like
technical shareware. Iniquity is artistic. PowerBBS, Excalibur,
Worldgroup show the transition from DOS to internet browser based
boards. The Major BBS has a very high fidelity WFC screen.
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am
SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...
SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: Rob Swindell to IB Joe on Thu Feb 25 2021 11:49 am
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am
SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...
SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/modem connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.
I'm just happy with putty for my own needs. Allows you to reset the font to something more readable.
Bigted11.zip, the file just above the one you mentioned ...
I am end user. I am not a programmer and I'm not technician of some kind. I spent most of my life in the financial field... I can explai a short squeeze with Game Stop.... Anyway, from what I know you canno
Are you loaded ?
As in I drink too much, yes from time to time...
viability of various options. So far I am not impressed with Wildcat
5.0's dearth of tools.
There are fixes to your problem, bu it seems there are none you want
to take. Others have told you that you need to get the Internet connectivity pack from Santronics... You've been told that Platinum Express would fix your Mailer situation... It's you that are bucking
the solutions.... I think I even recall sending you a link as to how
you can setup NetSerial with WC5 if there is no Telnet feature...
There is a group of Sysops who pass mail around with
NetSerial/WINServer & PXW... Everything works fine... Apparently
Platinum Express is optimized to work with NetSerial... All of the
SysOps are running the software that is needed.
It's not WC5's fault... The version you have of WC5 does exactly as it says it does... It was written over 25 years ago... Your version did
not have the internet connectivity pack.... Sysops who bought that we
not planning on connecting to the Internet.
Moreover, other programs like SynchroNET and Mystic that were written
back then did not connect to the internet as well. Those packages are what they are today because of years of coding and effort put forth
from their developers. I think you'd be equally not impressed with
any BBS programs that were written more than 25 years ago.
Any Windows 23Bit BBS will not work with a DOS mailer.... Not just
WC5... ANY Windows 32Bit BBS will not work with a DOS mailer. So, the simple fix is to use a Windows 32Bit Mailer with your Windows 32Bit
BBS...
You can get a DOS mailer to work with a DOS BBS though... Several
people do this right now. You said that you have WC4 pick ANY DOS
Mailer and you re good to go... This setup needs a program called
Net2BBS. I know someone who has done this... Dark Systems
bbs.dsbbs.ca . Call that BBS and see what you can do with old
technology.
I told you InterEcho was a good DOS mail tosser that supports WC4.
Since you like history so much... go with the DOS Mailer called
D'Bridge, it's currently under development and it has BinkD attached
to it... free FREE...
Important to know.... If InterEcho has support for D'Bridge, and it
may, you have to do nothing more.... If InterEcho doesn't you may have
to add a step in a batch file.
SexPOTS on DOS would probably need a packet driver. I do not think
SexPOTS contains any packet driver code.
I didn't say this... You need to have a telnet-abl BBS, regardless of
the OS.
Lets say you have Synchronet or Mystic BBS. None of these have dialup
but both of these have a telnet server. SexPORTS is a telnet CLIENT (Thanx DM) that will allow you do use a modem to connect to a TELNET
BBS. If you have a telnet BBS like we've been talking.....
THIS could be you....
In order for sexpots to work you need a telnet-able BBS. your version
of WC5 is not Telnet-able. You could make it so by adding a package
to it... OR simply use NetSerial to make it connect to the internet...
For whatever reason.... you want to make a 25 year old program work
with todays technology... and the easiest way is to do it with PXW.
There is the free way with DOS programs... complete and people are
doing that today...
And even better... The is Mystic and Synchronet. Both are complete
and you should not need anything else and have more feature than
you've been asking about.
Interoperability with DOS mailers and Windows BBS's can be overcome. Serial port communications can be resolved with virtual modems.
BSO-style outbounds are highly portable so it would not be hard to write custom scripts to pack mail for such mailers.
Stop it... It cannot be over come... well you can write your own
mailer program and all of what has been said would have been moot. If
you write Digital Man... in this echo... he can tell you technically
why DOS mailers and Windows BASES BBSes don't work. If it could be
done people would have been doing it. I gave you a link where someone
I have made an offer to talk with you... and that offer still
stands... If you are not in north America we can talk via Messenger or What's App ...
Are you wanting to have a physical dial up line?? I mean a real modem with a real phone line... when I say real I mean real. And with this
REAL modem & phone line you want to pass around fidonet mail... you'll need a mailer.
If you are just going to have users and mail passed around by use of
the Internet you will not even need a mailer. It's important that
that last statement sinks in... if you have an internet connection and
you want to pass fidonet style mail around you will not need a
mailer... a mailer like FrontDoor, InterMail, Binkley Term, Platinum Express and on and on...
This is because people use BinkD to send mail around... I use Internet
Rex because it's optimized to work with WInserver & PXW... and had
BinkD built into the package. If you want and need a mailer use
D'Bridge because it has a BinkD server built to work with it.
I have a mailer... I paid the small price years ago for PXW.... PXW
has been optimized to work with NetSerial, there is a small group of us PXW users that pass mail around with that setup ... but 99.999% use
BinkD to send mail around. You'll find it easier to catch Covid-19
than find a hub with a mailer to get you feed from. In 2020 BinkD is
the mailer and it works flawless..
Is Internet Rex still taking people's money ?
Think so... I've also been using it for over 20 years and I've never
had regrets...
I think exactly... you made my point... Mystic is more menu driven setup... the Author has thought of everything.. there is nothing you
can't do with Mystic's menu based setup... you can use Python
programming language if you want to go beyond with the menu system
allows and it also has a scripting language called MPL...
Synchronet on the other hand is mainly driven by scripting... has it's
on script language called Baja... and now uses it's own version of
Java Script.
Both have BinkD and rock...
FrontDoor goes with RemoteAccess. BinkleyTerm with Maximus. T-Mail with PCBoard. Platinum Xpress with Wildcat. D'Bridge was made for QuickBBS was i not ?
The Big Ted evaluation version stops working after 21 days.
Piece of junk.
I am end user. I am not a programmer and I'm not technician of kind. I spent most of my life in the financial field... I can e a short squeeze with Game Stop.... Anyway, from what I know you
Are you loaded ?
Bigted11.zip, the file just above the one you mentioned ...
The Big Ted evaluation version stops working after 21 days.
Piece of junk.
All the suggested solutions lead to vendor lock-in.
you can setup NetSerial with WC5 if there is no Telnet feature...
Judging by the high prices and release timing (ie. the beginning of the internet revolution) it is clear that Mustang were opportunistic and gouging SysOps for money because they only included the ICP as default after BBS's went bust. WC5 without ICP is just WC4 with a GUI. It is the same complaint I hear about WorldGroup 3.0 and MajorBBS.
The author of KityMail got flamed for questioning the expensive price of mail tossers on Mustang BBS. He was put down for suggesting somebody should write a low cost solution and was ridiculed for being a mere mortal. He then wrote his own program but included a stupid unregistered delay algorithm that guarantees the program would be useless in the future. He has the same mentality as those Mustang elitists.
To my knowledge, Net2BBS is a telnet server. Not sure if it can be put
in front of a frontend mailer.
InterEcho was meant to run with InterMail right ?
Well, I thought you were talking about running SexPOTS on DOS platform (ie. real DOS like MS-DOS 6.22 - not NTVDM or Windows command prompt).
If it uses a packet driver, then I could receive callers on MSDOS 6.22
and pass them to WC5.
It can receive telnet calls, which is surprising given the ICP add-on includes Telnet -- so maybe they enabled telnet in wcOnline by mistake.
A win for the consumer. Heh.
I am restoring a number of BBS's as they were at the height of their reign. There was more diversity in the 1990's because there was more competion. Nowadays the variety has tapered and petered to a few mainstream choices. I do not want to use SBBSEcho. I want to use Gecho, FastEcho, TossScan, FMail, Philip, Altair. I do not want a web page. I want people to see a real ANSI login screen. I do not want a command
line BinkD server. I want a classic frontend mailer (FrontDoor, BinkleyTerm, D'Bridge, T-Mail, InterMail). I do not like the Sycnchronet message reading options. Instead I prefer Maximus' extensive mail search criterias.
The Major BBS has an ICP for MSDOS with a telnet server.
There is the mTCP library.
If DOS can run a TCPIP stack then it can be done.
The reason it has not been done is because there are easier alternative solutions.
I am off the grid. It is impossible to find me on any social media.
Nobody would ever call the physical line. So I would be wasting monthly phone bills on it. Instead, I can use a telephone line simulator to pass mail around using real modems and hear that sweet modem squawk.
Getting a frontend mailer working is a prestigious BBS artifact. It
shows the SysOp is equiped to participate on Fidonet. It is like a Jedi constructing their own light sabre. A rite of passage.
Think about what BinkD does. It basically does nothing. It is just a daemon on port 24554. It takes no skill to run it. No batch files are created to load a BBS, no routing tables, events or nodelist managers in it.
FrontDoor goes with RemoteAccess. BinkleyTerm with Maximus. T-Mail with PCBoard. Platinum Xpress with Wildcat. D'Bridge was made for QuickBBS
was it not ?
I would imagine there are a lot of people still running old mailers on virtual modems. It shows a BBS has class. Try telling SysOps who cannot receive callers via their WFC screens whether they feel something is missing. The WC4 WFC screen is a beautiful display not to be wasted. The frontend mailer is no different.
I would imagine there are a lot of people still running old mailers on virtual modems. It shows a BBS has class. Try telling SysOps who cannot receive callers via their WFC screens whether they feel something is missing. The WC4 WFC screen is a beautiful display not to be wasted. The frontend mailer is no different.
I get violet convulsions at the thought of paying money for anything related to a BBS.
Can I edit menu, message and file area configuration in Mystic at the
same time ? or do I have to drill down to one option, modify it, close
the menu, and then navigate to another menu ? what if I want to view message conference settings side by side with file areas ? or view a cascaded list of 20 different configuration settings all opened simultaneously on the screen ? how would you do that with Mystic ?
My point is different BBS's have different advantages and disadvantages.
Digital Man corrected a me the day... SexPOTS is a Telnet client...
client is the operative part... It works in conjunction with a
modem... It's a windows 32Bitapp and work stand-alone to connect to
any telnet server. If that telnet server is DOS based or whatever
it's designed to connect to a telnet server.
My point is different BBS's have different advantages and
disadvantages.
That's true... make a choice... DOS?? put it up and lets
work from there... Do it.... NET2BBS/NetFoss & WC4 ...
lets do it!!!
Yup, that's correct. I have SEXPOTS setup here to answer the modem
which then sends the modem to Net2BBS to telnet into Telegard. It used
to telnet into Mystic. I suppose I could set Telegard to use the modem directly now...
ummm... don't they require windows? windows != DOS... DOS is DOS... no GUI c4rp
involved...
Cool... During the Zombie Apocalypse, that will happen in a few
months, it'll be the BBS SysOp that will save the day...
*** Quoting IB Joe from a message to Jay Harris ***
Cool... During the Zombie Apocalypse, that will happen in a few
months, it'll be the BBS SysOp that will save the day...
In that case I'd better finish up and get my amateur radio license so I can also offer packet radio access... ;)
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Rob Swindell on Tue Mar 02 2021 08:07 pm
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: Rob Swindell to IB Joe on Thu Feb 25 2021 11:49 am
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 2021 08:58 am
SexPOTS is a small app that is a telnet server...
SexPOTS is a Telnet *client* not server. It answers incoming serial/mo connections (e.g. "calls") and forwards that traffic to a Telnet/TCP server.
I'm just happy with putty for my own needs. Allows you to reset the font something more readable.
SexPOTS isn't a client in the sense that you run it to connect to a telnet server as a user, but rather it's a "man-in-the-middle" type application whi handles the routing of data between the serial port/modem (where the dial-up user has connect) and the Telnet/TCP/IP server (where a BBS or game server i running).
As for PuTTY as a BBS client, I don't recommend it for most users. I do use PuTTY regularly for SSHing into Linux shells from Windows however.
Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and run multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...
On 07 Mar 21 10:59:30, Ib Joe said the following to Marceline Jones:
Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...
While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.
Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 2001.
Throw me a bone here guys get behind me ands show some support....
BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's small app that can handle all the semaphores and events and mail tossing th the DOS mailer can give to it. Essentially... the mailer would never have t exit out unless it's a human caller. This app comes in a native Windows app... If I recall correctly.
Wholly shit what a rabbit hole... Get any version of Windows 32Bit and run multi node BBS on that... it'll run all the DOS apps you want...
While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.
Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 200
BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's
While that may be true... for me the *best* DOS multi-tasker was OS/2.
Had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming to give it up in the summer of 200
I hear you there.
BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)... it's
That was made for losers. If you wanna do it right, do it with your own freeze.bat file.
BTW, I have a DB question... FD has an app called FakeFD (I think)...
That was made for losers. If you wanna do it right, do it with your
As it related to my question why does DB have one.... I was just thinking this... Someone could run DB's BinkD ... 32/64Bit what ever flavor... and n have to worry about running a DOS mailer... FakeDB can do all that... For example... mail comes in and FakeDB drops out and runs a native 32/64Bit ma tosser and tosses mail into a JAM message base and processes all the files with an external file processor as well.
Quoting Nick Andre to Exodus <=-
I think I mentioned this before, I loved OS/2 so much but having all
my friends showing off USB and how very easy Internet, remote access,
VPN was to do on Windows 2000... not to mention it came out of the box with facilities to do proper tape-backups.
It was a clear choice between babysitting an old system patched beyond patched or getting with the times... at that time.
Now Windows 10 is such a fucking disaster even in its Enterprise
edition that it makes me want that OS/2 box again with its flakey ATI card and Panasonic CD drives and probably the loudest IDE hard drive
I've ever owned.
Try ArcaOS. Seems a good atualized OS/2.
Try ArcaOS. Seems a good atualized OS/2.
I'll see your flakey ATI card and loud IDE drive and raise you an OAK VGA card that left artifacts when you moved the mouse too fast, and a floppy- port Travan drive.
Nick Andre wrote to Exodus <=-
Now Windows 10 is such a fucking disaster even in its Enterprise
edition that it makes me want that OS/2 box again with its flakey ATI
card and Panasonic CD drives and probably the loudest IDE hard drive
I've ever owned.
Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at least
it wasn't an Iomega.
Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at leas it wasn't an Iomega.
And the 90s showcased some of the worst backup programs - Seagate Backup Exec, I'm looking at you.
Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at leas it wasn't an Iomega.
And the 90s showcased some of the worst backup programs - Seagate Backup Exec, I'm looking at you.
Travan... capstan/pinch roller problems, head alignment... hey at it wasn't an Iomega.
And the 90s showcased some of the worst backup programs - Seagate Back Exec, I'm looking at you.
And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)
Are you loaded ?
Nope, made a lot of bad choices in my life... The usual theme was
based around people who self identify as a female.... I have
stories...
And I will explain what a short-squeeze is though, this shit I have in
my head I want to get out...
The "Stimulus" bill was passed the other day... so Papi will be flush
The reason it has not been done is because there are easier alternative solutions.
and easier is bad??
NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet
Great!!!! Use NET2BBS & NetFoss with anything you want... If you
logon to FrontDoors' web site JoHo will give you keys for FrontDoor
free of charge. The developer of InterMail & InterEcho will send you copies as well. I heard FastEcho will send you keys as well if U
ask... BTW, Fmail is free and under development...
I wished I read the entire message before I broke it down into
separate responses ...
I don't know what to say to you here.... I was one of those guys who pre-paid for my copy and waited for it's release. Since that time I
have paid for upgrades and some add ons. Even if you were to buy the latest and greatest version of WINServer you'd have to spend even more money... and I mean that... if you want to make modifications you'll
need wcBasic and wcBasic +, wc-reports... PXW...wclistserver.... and
the list goes on and on.
If your goal is to give your users a complete Internet / Online
experience WINServer is your choice. There is nothing comparable, nothing, Hector has done some great work and it is a great product...
You will not find a better product that offers the features it does at
the price it is.
WC5/WINServer is a commercial product. Back in the day Mustang had employees and office space ... and the like... all of that costs money
and the money had to come from somewhere...
If my hobby was golf I could not complain about the cost of clubs and balls... green fees, travel and all the things associated with my
hobby...
There are reasons I don't have my WINServer BBS as my main BBS... I
have a current version and I'm all paid up... There are reasons... Marceline.... There is some great news... When I say great I mean
really ephin great, that is if you wanted to offer your users a blast
from the past with a modern twist.... and wait a minute.... it's
free!!!
The single best piece of software out there for todays BBS
experience.... single best... is Synchronet or MysticBBS... single
best.
Synchronet being more complete, if you ask me, it has all of todays
needed protocols... ftp, telnet, ssh, rlogin, http, binkD/P... and
much much more. It also comes with a scripting language called Baja
and Java and you can modify the package to look and feel like anything
you want... and I mean that.
Marceline... I was on a BBS site the other day... fqbbs.synchro.net
... Synchronet BBS that has been modified to look like his 1990's
BBS... I think he said it use to be Remote Access... Anyway, I had to double take a few times to realize I was on a Synchronet BBS... He did
a great job BTW...
I am a supporter of Digital Man et. al.' work. I have, in the past,
used Synchronet I feel it is second to none.....
Mystic on the other hand offers a lot as well.... I mentioned the
Internet protocols... they come with mystic... Mystic's setup is more
menu driven.. It has its own scripting language, MPL, and has hooks
for Python... If you know how to program in that language...
Both of them work out of the box. You'll be able to get your fidonet style mail around... QWK mail... whatever you want... right out of the box... EVERYTHING a SysOp needs to be all they can be...
You mentioned Maximus BBS and how great it is/was... this is not
true... Maximus/WC4/RA/Bla Bla Bla... does not offer Telnet/SSH/rLogin/FTP/HTTP(S)/SMTP/NNTP/IRC... Just to mention a
few... and I know of no DOS package that offers all this... FREE...
I'm sure you could eventually scab together something that offers what these 2 packages offer...
BUT, right out of the package, with little to no talent on your part they'll make you look like a rock star... it less than 10 minutes of effort... A rock star...
Marceline, the SysOp community as of late, is a warm and welcoming community. There are a few assholes but these wonderful authors have programmed in twit lists... We love you and want to support you as
much as we can... But you might have to reshuffle some of your
thinking and come over to the Dark Side.
Yes it is....and it is used to make your "DOS" BBS telnet-able... If
you want to use a DOS BBS you need this....
NET2BBS/NetFoss/DOS Mailer & BBS/Mail tosser.... That will do it
NET2BBS and NetFoss <---a FOSIL Driver... are both free. Just add
whatever DOS Mailer & BBS package you want. Somebody from my past has setup his old RA BBS with the use of NET2BBS & NetFoss. As I have
been reading through the echos he's chose to use D'Bridge as his
mailer... ergo... My buddies setup is/should be
NET2BBS/NetFoss/D'Bridge & RA... Just like that. BTW, his version of
RA is unregistered because the owner of RA is MIA.
InterEcho was meant to run with InterMail right ?
Please... logon to his system bbs.dsbbs.ca and see what you think...
And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)
The reason it has not been done is because there are easier alternati solutions.
and easier is bad??
It is bad when it reduces available options.
NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet
Yes but it lacks the ability to receive calls from a WFC screen.
Great!!!! Use NET2BBS & NetFoss with anything you want... If you logon to FrontDoors' web site JoHo will give you keys for FrontDoor free of charge. The developer of InterMail & InterEcho will send you copies as well. I heard FastEcho will send you keys as well if U ask... BTW, Fmail is free and under development...
I wished I read the entire message before I broke it down into separate responses ...
Why do not these authors just provide their key generators ?
So what you are saying is you are happy to throw your money into a hole.
Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-
NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet
Yes but it lacks the ability to receive calls from a WFC screen.
Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-
Great!!!! Use NET2BBS & NetFoss with anything you want... If you
logon to FrontDoors' web site JoHo will give you keys for FrontDoor
free of charge. The developer of InterMail & InterEcho will send you copies as well. I heard FastEcho will send you keys as well if U
ask... BTW, Fmail is free and under development...
Why do not these authors just provide their key generators ?
Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-
Synchronet being more complete, if you ask me, it has all of todays
needed protocols... ftp, telnet, ssh, rlogin, http, binkD/P... and
much much more. It also comes with a scripting language called Baja
and Java and you can modify the package to look and feel like anything
you want... and I mean that.
Can Synchronet run MajorMUD ? or TBBS modules ?
I am a supporter of Digital Man et. al.' work. I have, in the past,
used Synchronet I feel it is second to none.....
Mystic on the other hand offers a lot as well.... I mentioned the
Internet protocols... they come with mystic... Mystic's setup is more
menu driven.. It has its own scripting language, MPL, and has hooks
for Python... If you know how to program in that language...
Both of them work out of the box. You'll be able to get your fidonet style mail around... QWK mail... whatever you want... right out of the box... EVERYTHING a SysOp needs to be all they can be...
Neither Synchronet or Mystic will allow SysOps to be all they can
be if they want to learn MEX to extend Maximus' functionality, or
anything else that those softwares do not support.
You mentioned Maximus BBS and how great it is/was... this is not
true... Maximus/WC4/RA/Bla Bla Bla... does not offer Telnet/SSH/rLogin/FTP/HTTP(S)/SMTP/NNTP/IRC... Just to mention a
few... and I know of no DOS package that offers all this... FREE...
Support for protocols does not make a BBS software great.
CBBS and Fido BBS are great.
To a BBS veteran, Synchronet and Mystic are nothing more than
general purpose software with modern capabilities.
I'm sure you could eventually scab together something that offers what these 2 packages offer...
BUT, right out of the package, with little to no talent on your part they'll make you look like a rock star... it less than 10 minutes of effort... A rock star...
Except to the experienced SysOp who knows that little or no
talent was required to make the rock star. The commoditisation of Synchronet and Mystic have reduced their value.
Marceline, the SysOp community as of late, is a warm and welcoming community. There are a few assholes but these wonderful authors have programmed in twit lists... We love you and want to support you as
much as we can... But you might have to reshuffle some of your
thinking and come over to the Dark Side.
From what I see SysOps need all the traffic they can get because
they, and their boards, are an endangered species.
Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-
InterEcho was meant to run with InterMail right ?
Please... logon to his system bbs.dsbbs.ca and see what you think...
It does not even work:
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atdt bbs.dsbbs.ca
NO CARRIER
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(I have tried with Telix, Terminate, Procomm Plus, SyncTerm).
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
Hello Marceline,
Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?
WorldGroup is comparable.
I do not care about the cost.
But I will gripe about paying for vendor lock-in and uninteroperability.
Is the reason you do not run WINServer as your primary BBS is because WINServer is boring ?
What good is this so-called "single best" if I want to run my BBS on a Commodore 64 ?
Can Synchronet run MajorMUD ? or TBBS modules ?
Anybody can swap out the default Synchronet ANSI screens and call their BBS unqiue.
Neither Synchronet or Mystic will allow SysOps to be all they can be if they want to learn MEX to extend Maximus' functionality, or anything
else that those softwares do not support.
Support for protocols does not make a BBS software great. CBBS and Fido BBS are great. To a BBS veteran, Synchronet and Mystic are nothing more than general purpose software with modern capabilities.
Except to the experienced SysOp who knows that little or no talent was required to make the rock star. The commoditisation of Synchronet and Mystic have reduced their value.
From what I see SysOps need all the traffic they can get because they,
and their boards, are an endangered species.
They chose D'Bridge probably because it can run like a door.
I doubt Net2BBS will work with FrontDoor.
Why does not he just register it. There are 10 key generators for RA:can you upload that to my system.... I'll give it to him...
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R_ra25.zip 5,635 2004-01-17
R_RA250K.EXE 5,362 1999-07-04
Ra25cpk1.zip 119,268 2005-01-27
Ra25key.zip 7,108 2005-01-27 Ra V2.5x Key Generator ra2crack.zip 6,185 2006-05-23 Remote Access V2.0 Keymaker.. RA_KEY.ZIP 4,264 2004-02-03 Crack: Ra Key V1.10 (C) 1993 RAKEY.EXE 14,212 1999-07-04
Rakey.zip 2,121 2004-01-17 ==================================================
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atdt bbs.dsbbs.ca
NO CARRIER
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And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)
That reminds me of the tagline below.
Jay
... Best file compression around: "DEL *.*" = 100% compression
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
Hello Marceline,
Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?
Great point! Why is this shit-talking ignoramus allowed to post here? DM.....? ;-)
Rob Swindell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
Hello Marceline,
Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?
Great point! Why is this shit-talking ignoramus allowed to post here? DM.....? ;-)
I'm not the moderator. <shrug> Mabye Marceline is/was a sysop?
Rob Swindell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
Hello Marceline,
Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?
Great point! Why is this shit-talking ignoramus allowed to post here? DM.....? ;-)
I'm not the moderator. <shrug> Mabye Marceline is/was a sysop?
I guess I was suggesting the echo be restricted to sysops only, on Vert.
She isn't a current sysop according to her recent posts. <shrug>
Nope, not true... Mailers are nothing more than that... separate
program that stood in front of ANY BBS package. Back in the day there
was a local Maximus BBS that used FrontDoor... His mail tosser just
needed to support FD that's all. FrontDoor/InterMail/Binkley/D'Bridge
DOS should be able to go with any DOS BBS package.
Lets find a DOS based BBS package, and lets work form there...
Wholly shit... Girl,you are but 1 person... having 20 different configuration settings simultaneous and at the same time might get you into trouble... FOCUS... Fix something, save it and move on to the
next problem ... then repeat until you have a BBS you want. Mystic
Mystic is easy to setup and it's strengths are in the fact that it's
the best ASNI BBS package around. BTW, I use Mystic over WINServer
for this exact reason.. Though I have paid Millions and Millions,
pesos anyway, for WINServer, I am just a ANSI BBS sysop... and Mystic
does that better than all... and I don't care what you compare that
too.
On 03-14-21 08:49, Jay Harris wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-
... Best file compression around: "DEL *.*" = 100% compression
I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor with Maximu
I beg to differ.
FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess.
That has to be the dumbest thing I ever saw written. I've used
FrontDoor since 1993. It's a mailer it has NOTHING to do with BBS Software. It loads Renegade JUST fine.
I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor with Maximus is
like wearing a tie with a baseball cap, or vampires dating werewolves,
or bestiality.
Have you used the global change feature in Wildcat's areas configuration
? For example, when meticulously checking whether message area security settings are appropriate for associated file areas before applying a global change, or trying to remember which roles have access to which conferences - unless you have a photographic memory, such activities are difficult because modal dialogs
do not allow you to compare information from two different display
screens at the same time. Menus are restrictive and are a pain in the neck. And what if I want to do a keyword search on various configuration files ?
What do you mean it is the best ANSI BBS package ? do you mean you are
too lazy
T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
And SOME of the BEST! PKZIP *.* ... ;)
I'd totally forgotten about using PKZIP spanning floppy disks as a backup medium. Probably the most bulletproof solution out there, aside from
"tar czvf . > /dev/tape"
NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet
Yes but it lacks the ability to receive calls from a WFC screen.
Rob Swindell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Are you aware that this is a sysop only echo?
Great point! Why is this shit-talking ignoramus allowed to post here? DM.....? ;-)
I'm not the moderator. <shrug> Mabye Marceline is/was a sysop?
I guess I was suggesting the echo be restricted to sysops only, on Vert.
It didn't occur to me that this was a "sysops only" echo. Is it?
She isn't a current sysop according to her recent posts. <shrug>
If it's indeed sysops only, I can make that an access requirement
here on Vertrauen, but the user will likely just go find another
BBS to post from anyway.
Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-
Nope, not true... Mailers are nothing more than that... separate
program that stood in front of ANY BBS package. Back in the day there
was a local Maximus BBS that used FrontDoor... His mail tosser just
needed to support FD that's all. FrontDoor/InterMail/Binkley/D'Bridge
DOS should be able to go with any DOS BBS package.
Lets find a DOS based BBS package, and lets work form there...
I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor
with Maximus is like wearing a tie with a baseball cap, or
vampires dating werewolves, or bestiality.
IB Joe wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
Marceline...
Where r u from?
I'd say she's from La-La-Land.
Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
For several years now I've used external encrypted USB hard drives and script with Drive Snapshot. Easily THE best shareware backup program
for Windows. It "just works".
For several years now I've used external encrypted USB hard drives and script with Drive Snapshot. Easily THE best shareware backup program for Windows. It "just works".
Hmmm. I'll have to take a look. I just got a new Windows box, and I'm using the old Windows 7 backup and restore tool with an internal 8TB drive. Media
Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
Does it do hot-imaging? I absolutely refuse to reinstall Windows... in fact have not done so for several years now.
Does it do hot-imaging? I absolutely refuse to reinstall Windows... in fact have not done so for several years now.
I'm assuming that you'd need to do a barebones install of Windows then restore to it. I think I'm on my last Windows re-install, Ubuntu Budgie and Mint are looking pretty good.
As an aside, I'm supporting people working remotely now at my company, and the old "we don't support home hardware" has gone out the window. I've had to manage people's wifi routers, set passwords for them, and manage home network issues.
NET2BBS & NetFoss will get any of your DOS BBSes working via telnet
Yes but it lacks the ability to receive calls from a WFC screen.
What is actually lacking is your ability to properly configure
anything.
You talk a good game, but that's about it.
Why do not these authors just provide their key generators ?
Why don't you ask the authors? Only they could answer such a
question.
Can Synchronet run MajorMUD ? or TBBS modules ?
Stupid questions. Can TBBS run Synchronet JS modules? Can Renegade
run Mystic MPL scripts? Apples and oranges, ignorant one.
Neither Synchronet or Mystic will allow SysOps to be all they can
be if they want to learn MEX to extend Maximus' functionality, or
anything else that those softwares do not support.
Another stupid statement. If they want to learn MEX then they would
run Maximus. "Being all you can be" in this context does not mean one knows everything about every possible BBS package. That is not realistically possible.
Support for protocols does not make a BBS software great.
You keep saying shit like this. What *DOES* make a BBS software
great?
CBBS and Fido BBS are great.
Why? What makes them great? Speak some specifics, instead of vague generalities. Or do you not want to do that to avoid having to answer actual questions?
To a BBS veteran, Synchronet and Mystic are nothing more than
general purpose software with modern capabilities.
They're not "general purpose software". They're BBS packages, with modern capabilities. In case you didn't get the memo, dialup access
to BBS's is (pretty much) a thing of the past, for many reasons.
Except to the experienced SysOp who knows that little or no
talent was required to make the rock star. The commoditisation of Synchronet and Mystic have reduced their value.
Are you an experienced sysop? You talk a lot of shit, but what's your
BBS address? Can we check out your BBS's "unique-ness" and how elite
it actually is? Or..... are you just a shit-talker?
From what I see SysOps need all the traffic they can get because
they, and their boards, are an endangered species.
Right. People have been saying that for 20 years. Yet, here we (us actual sysops, not *YOU*) still are. Running BBSes. You should give
it a try.
They chose D'Bridge probably because it can run like a door.
All Mailers, except a few like PXW, work in the same manner. If
people can get D'Bridge to work with Net2BBS they can get any mailer to work. They all work under the same idea... I do not know the ratio
of who runs what DOS mailer of the next... BUT I do know the author of D'Bridge is still here and is actively developing the software. If
you have a problem with getting the software to work.... he's more
than glad to talk with you. He takes pride in his package and will
even fix problems as he catches them.
I doubt Net2BBS will work with FrontDoor.
I need to read something different here.... I would prefer to read...
I tried to get FD to work with Net2BBS does anyone have any ideas... you'll more than likely get a response ... but unlike my D'Bridge
example JoHo will not tell you how to get your mailer running...
Why does not he just register it. There are 10 key generators for RA:
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R_ra25.zip 5,635 2004-01-17
R_RA250K.EXE 5,362 1999-07-04
Ra25cpk1.zip 119,268 2005-01-27
Ra25key.zip 7,108 2005-01-27 Ra V2.5x Key Generator ra2crack.zip 6,185 2006-05-23 Remote Access V2.0 Keymaker.. RA_KEY.ZIP 4,264 2004-02-03 Crack: Ra Key V1.10 (C) 1993 RAKEY.EXE 14,212 1999-07-04
Rakey.zip 2,121 2004-01-17 ==================================================
can you upload that to my system.... I'll give it to him...
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atdt bbs.dsbbs.ca
NO CARRIER
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It does not even work:
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NO CARRIER
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(I have tried with Telix, Terminate, Procomm Plus, SyncTerm).
Once again, you fail.
Just tried it and connected fine. Learn how to use your software.
You're an idiot. FrontDoor is for any BBS, as somebody stated above.
I know people who used it with Maximus back in the 90's, and I used it myself with PCBoard back in the 90's. Many other sysops used any/all flavors of BBS software with it.
Why do not these authors just provide their key generators ?
Could be control... But you don't need any of them... There are
people in our community developing technology for todays technology...
I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor with Maximu
That has to be the dumbest thing I ever saw written. I've used
FrontDoor since 1993. It's a mailer it has NOTHING to do with BBS Software. It loads Renegade JUST fine.
So what you are saying is you are happy to throw your money into a hole.
Yes I did exactly that. I did it for years and years... and a few
more. I have found out that I can get better for free. I have
settled with Mystic... and I hub mail with WINServer... just started
doing that a few months ago... prior to that I had an OS/2 VM with a FrontDoor/Fastecho/InterNet Rex combo...
I may have expressed this in the past... My problem with WINServer is
that on the ANSI side it has not been developed past 1980 something. There are s lot of redeeming qualities, don't get me wrong.... But at
the end of the day I run a BBS and I'm not an internet provider.
WINServer would cost you 100s and 100s to get going.... and they want
100s for their update plan... and 100s if you want to add mailers and more nodes and 100s for development packages, wcBasic... and 100s if
you want report generating software... and 100s for other shit...
There are other great things out there... fully supported and actively developed...
:)
I do not want to talk complete shit about WINServer... There are a few guys over on that side trying to develop mobile phone apps and all
kinds of things. It's a fairly comprehensive BBS package... It has
just not gone in the direction I want.
I do not care about the cost.
But I will gripe about paying for vendor lock-in and uninteroperability.
Don't gripe... be happy!!!
Is the reason you do not run WINServer as your primary BBS is because WINServer is boring ?
Nope... Well, I don't know what you mean by boring... But I have said
that the ANSI side of the package had stopped being developed for some time now... I.M.O. ... It took some time for me to day this... But
it's true. Santronics has received my last payment to the AutoUpdate plan... Joe's moved on!!!
No he did more.... He actually got under the hood of the package and
redid the Baja/Java code. It truly looks and feels different... I was impressed. I have a lot of respect for what Digital Man et. al. have
done with Synchronet...
I did not run a Maximus BBS... I played with it a couple times... MEX
is Maximus BBS's scripting language?? Correct?? If this is your
argument then ... I don't think you fully understand or appreciate the functionality of Synchronets programming language... Baja & Java. BTW Mystic BBS has it's own as well... MPL & there are hooks for
Python.... The only thing that limits you and your Synchronet BBS is
your imagination. The same can be said for Mystic. If Maximus BBS is your reference point you should look at Synchronet... you'll be
editing text files all day long.
That's not true... As there are Mystic BBSes out there heavily
modified ... there are a LOAD of Synchronet BBSes out there heavily modified. There is a certain level of technical expertise needed to
run Synchronet today, if you are going to modify it from the stock install.
I challenge you to try... I'd like to see your finished product
Where r u from?
There is nothing wrong with wearing a tie with a ball cap... or
wearing socks with sandals... Okay... you have me on the bestiality thing...
Yes.
How do you configure Net2BBS to receive callers via a BBS in WFC mode
?
Right. People have been saying that for 20 years. Yet,
here we (us actual sysops, not *YOU*) still are. Running
BBSes. You should give it a try.
An endangered species is something that is at risk of
extinction. The number of BBSs and SysOps remain at
historical lows. There are only ~1500 in the nodelist.
There are even less on Telnet BBS Guide. Duplicates run by
the same SysOp should not be counted. Statistics on BBS use
show that their numbers cannot be sustained after the
current SysOps die out.
So yes, there you are, and there you will stay. The few of
you left does not change your status as an endangered
species.
Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
As long as its working out for you then thats cool. I got out of
home-user support several years ago. No more bench work, no more house calls. Not enough money to be made in that and generally over time it became more of a hassle.
I'm sort of a jack-of-all-trades at my current company, supporting a production environment in AWS, a dev environment on vSphere, and providing user support in my spare time. It works out given the circumstances, leverages a lot of experience managing user hardware and software and the people are genuinely grateful for the support. It's a good group of people.
That is not true. D'Bridge trades-off its WFC mode to workaround
Net2BBS's limitations. This is a functional compromise. Mailers that
were not designed to resume a live connection will not work with Net2BBS.
The author tried many things but could not get Net2BBS working with D'Bridge's WFC mode.
Helping me is mutually beneficial regardless of what people's preference is. For example I logged on your BBS to obtain files, and in the process added a count to your user base. That would not have happened if you
were unhelpful.
Just Google the filenames. You will find them on Scovetta. I know the
2.50 keys work for v2.62.2. (I think even a key for v2.02 will work because I do not think the seed, hash algorithm or encryption in RA has ever changed). If you cannot obtain those files from the internet then I will upload them to your BBS.
Despite their faults and limitations, older software possess a charm and quality that enhance the retro computing experience. There is something decadent and corrupt about a BBS that has integrated NNTP, SMTP, POP,
SSH, FTP, HTTP, IRC and no native support for direct dialup analog
modems. <hint>Synchronet</hint>
Not me. I do not pay for anything BBS-related.
What is wrong with ANSI in WINServer ? are you referring to the lack of System Macros (@ codes) that can be embedded in *.scr, *.bbs, *.rip
files ? or animations, lightbars etc ?
Well I have WC4 that comes with everything, and WC5 that comes with nothing. I want to get them working without paying for anything.
I am interested in your views about WINServer's shortcomings. Tell me more. Maybe you can draw inspiration from Ed Koon (Doc's Place Online)
who gave up on WINServer 7 because:
- No support for modern browser resolutions
- Unresponsive html templates
- Messages were hidden after being read
- Https manager failed encryption
- WcNntp news reader only works on dekstop browser
- No functional difference between V5 and V7 apart from a few poorly developed features
- Being ignored by Winserver Support / Santronics Software
Nah. You can always tell it is a Synchronet BBS.You can pretty much tell any BBS package... RA/Max/Bla Bla Bla... there are tell tail signs of all BBS packages.... Difference is today.. With Java (Synchronet) and Python (Mystic)... you're in the drivers seat... Step up to your challenge and make the changes you need... and Use SexPOTS as your dial in server...
At the end of the day Synchronet cannot do what I want, therefore I
cannot be all I can be with it.
See, you are now talking like changing a few ANSI screens makes a BBS unique. Think to yourself, how many people are doing that ?
Where r u from?
Originally from San Francisco.
Now the RA site is MIA, from what I can see...
Wrong.
The standard mail processor for Maximus is Squish. But Squish has minimal support for arcmail attach systems like FrontDoor. BinkleyTerm has more
FrontDoor/Fastecho/InterNet Rex combo...
Not me. I do not pay for anything BBS-related.
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14 July 1991
I believe you'd use netfoss & netserial to do that. I just tried it out wi Telegard and it seems to work. Net2BBS is free whereas netserial is US$25 for sysops:
You can pretty much tell any BBS package... RA/Max/Bla Bla Bla... there are tell tail signs of all BBS packages.... Difference is today.. With Java (Synchronet) and Python (Mystic)... you're in the drivers seat... Step up to your challenge and make the changes you need... and Use SexPOTS as your dial in server...
There are people using decades old technology today... they have
found ways to make it work... But its exactly that... decades old technology forced to adapt....
Not sure the exact question here... In my version of WINServer I have
used the global change feature... My BBS you have full access to
message areas and games upon login... I don't have may files per se...
So I don't really meticulously do anything... WINServer will not let
me edit menus and and open up the ANSI editor, or anything else for
that matter... So with respect to Wildcat you may need to have a photographic memory...
What do you mean it is the best ANSI BBS package ? do you mean you are
too lazy
Both SynchroNET & Mystic are feature rich and are light years ahead of what BBSes use to be... and they are equipped with programming
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 2021 11:20:28
Now the RA site is MIA, from what I can see...
i don't know what ""RA site"" you are speaking of but rapro.com is still operational...
700
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 2021 12:05 pm
You can pretty much tell any BBS package... RA/Max/Bla Bla Bla... there tell tail signs of all BBS packages.... Difference is today.. With Java (Synchronet) and Python (Mystic)... you're in the drivers seat... Step your challenge and make the changes you need... and Use SexPOTS as your in server...
Small correction there: Java is not JavaScript (Synchronet has JS, not Java). --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Why did you choose Mystic over Synchronet ?
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserv BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
i don't know what ""RA site"" you are speaking of but
rapro.com is still operational...
I tried it the other day and it never came up for me.
I know someone who tried to register the product and
heard nothing back from them...
Just tried again...
HTTP Error 404. The requested resource is not found.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
IB Joe
Re: Re: SexPOTS
By: IB Joe to mark lewis on Mon Mar 22 2021 09:18:48
i don't know what ""RA site"" you are speaking of but
rapro.com is still operational...
I tried it the other day and it never came up for me.
I know someone who tried to register the product and
heard nothing back from them...
they might try raising bruce morse on facebook... that's the last place that i saw him and we were playing several FB games together...
Just tried again...
HTTP Error 404. The requested resource is not found.
you've still not posted the URL you are trying to use... this one
works...
http://www.rapro.com/index.html
I love how she pulls crap from the early 90s text file ... like she's rooting thru old Night Owl cds for it. ;)
Feature wise things cannot be better for the BBS community. Could you ima if we had what we have today back them...
We're so fortunate that we have people who have an interest in our hobby..
We're so fortunate that we have people who have an interest in our hobby..
Oh I know .... I would've KILLED to have the HDD space I have now .... I ha 135 shareware CDs sitting here for download and I STILL have room. I thoug I was cool when I daisey chained 4 panasonic cdrom drives together so I had cds online at one time for the BBS.
On 03-22-21 12:12, Nick Andre wrote to Marceline Jones <=-reserv
On 23 Mar 21 23:53:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Ib Joe:
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to
BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Synchronet is not my cup of tea but I wouldn't slam the tea brewer.
Saw a 486DX2 on Ebay the other day and the guy wanted like 800 bucks for i
Both are preserving history in their own ways. Synchronet has a huge histo behind it. Sure, it's not everyone's cup of tea (I happen to like it thoug but it has a rich history.
Saw a 486DX2 on Ebay the other day and the guy wanted like 800 bucks for i
That's nuts ... I remember getting a DX2 Math CoProcessor that turned my 486sx/25 into a 486dx2/50. 16 Meg of RAM baby! At $40 a MEG .... those were the days.
Oh I know .... I would've KILLED to have the HDD space I have now
.... I have 135 shareware CDs sitting here for download and I STILL
have room. I thought I was cool when I daisey chained 4 panasonic
cdrom drives together so I had 4 cds online at one time for the BBS.
Had the same CPU for many years before I was handed a cheap P133. I thought 16 meg of Ram on the 486 was all the ram I'd ever need in the world... OS/2 with several DOS windows doing things just soared.
Later on my parents got me my own P166 (I think it was a Cyrix CPU) w/ 16MB RAM and a 1.2GB HD, that's what I ended up running the BBS on. I remember getting a lot of BSODs on that box, not sure if that was the CPU, Windows 98SE or a combination of both.
Quoting Marceline Jones to Ib Joe <=-
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
I'm still waiting for Mystic 10 More Cowbell Edition.
Had the same CPU for many years before I was handed a cheap P133. I though 16 meg of Ram on the 486 was all the ram I'd ever need in the world... OS with several DOS windows doing things just soared.
The weird thing with this CD changer was whenever it would swap discs arou the whole computer would freeze for a moment. Didn't happen too often, bu remember doing something on my computer while a user was logged in and the the cd changer clicked in and had to wait a few seconds for the computer t unfreeze.
First computer I ever built was back in 1995 .... was JUST for the BBS ... 2 megs of ram, 386sx/40 Cyrix Processor, and a 120 meg SAMSUNG Hard Drive. Was installing DOS and the something happened and the drive took a dump. mind you 120 meg back then was like $300, so I was $hittin' myself. CHKDSK it, SCANDISK'd it .... nothing .... had to go into the bios, read the sectors/heads/platers from the drive label, and low level format it to get to work again. I think the low level format took like 18 hours.
I remember the days of BIOS C/H/S parameters. Used to knew mine off my hea for that stupid Connor drive I complained elsewhere about as my motherboar had this odd habit of losing all CMOS settings after being rebooted after periods of uptime. Wasn't the battery or the firmware... it was just a dou
As soon as someone moved the mouse everything caught right up, time and all ... later pieced it down to a bad stick of ram. Go figure.
WinXP fixed all those issues tho. Man, I miss OS/2 .... Honestly when I the BBS on this box it was my intent to install Warp v4.52 but it didn't li the hardware and crashed on install, so after 30 attempts and various bios
IB Joe wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
On 23 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
IB Joe wrote to Marceline Jones <=-
On 23 Mar 2021, Marceline Jones said the following...
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
Yeah... I had thought that maybe DM was going to restrict access to
this echo on Vert to Sysops only...
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
Yeah... I had thought that maybe DM was going to restrict access to
this echo on Vert to Sysops only...
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
Yeah... I had thought that maybe DM was going to restrict access to
this echo on Vert to Sysops only...
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
As soon as someone moved the mouse everything caught right up, time and al ... later pieced it down to a bad stick of ram. Go figure.
You weren't overclocking it were you? ;)
She's working on a project. I would just hope that people would respect e
... OS/2 - The only true 100% FAT free operating system.
... OS/2 - The only true 100% FAT free operating system.
HAHAH ... I just had to reply to the tagline Renegade generated for me on t message ....
She's working on a project. I would just hope that people would respe
A project of pi$$ing people off. That's all I see her doing. Digging
up old crap text files from 1990-1993.
... The truth is the safest lie.
T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Ib Joe <=-
A project of pi$$ing people off. That's all I see her doing. Digging
up old crap text files from 1990-1993.
... The truth is the safest lie.
IB Joe wrote to Dan Clough <=-
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
She's working on a project.
I would just hope that people would
respect each other. More so for people who have donated so much
of their time for our community
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
Enforcing echo rules is almost impossible nowadays.
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
Enforcing echo rules is almost impossible nowadays.
Understood, but there are some steps that can be taken.
A project of pi$$ing people off. That's all I see her doing. Digging up old crap text files from 1990-1993.
... The truth is the safest lie.
Wait, "old crap text files" is the only selling point of my BBS! :)
On 03-23-21 07:45, Nick Andre wrote to Tony Langdon <=-isto
On 23 Mar 21 18:55:00, Tony Langdon said the following to Nick Andre:
Both are preserving history in their own ways. Synchronet has a huge
behind it. Sure, it's not everyone's cup of tea (I happen to like ithoug
but it has a rich history.
We're lucky in 2021 to still have some of the BBS stuff we have.
I'm still waiting for Mystic 10 More Cowbell Edition.
On 03-23-21 18:17, Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-
I remember the days of BIOS C/H/S parameters. Used to knew mine off my
heart for that stupid Connor drive I complained elsewhere about as my motherboard had this odd habit of losing all CMOS settings after being rebooted after long periods of uptime. Wasn't the battery or the firmware... it was just a douche.
I'm still waiting for Mystic 10 More Cowbell Edition.
You lost me with that one. :)
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
The person in question is NOT a sysop.
Enforcing echo rules is almost impossible nowadays.
Understood, but there are some steps that can be taken.
Such as ?
... The truth is the safest lie.
Wait, "old crap text files" is the only selling point of my BBS! :)
Such as restricting access to echo(s) on a BBS. Yes, the troll could go to another board, but some won't bother. If "all" boards restricted access to certain echos, it would pretty much solve the problem.
Such as ?
Such as restricting access to echo(s) on a BBS. Yes, the troll could go
to another board, but some won't bother. If "all" boards restricted
access to certain echos, it would pretty much solve the problem.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Such as ?
Such as restricting access to echo(s) on a BBS. Yes, the troll could go to another board, but some won't bother. If "all" boards restricted access to certain echos, it would pretty much solve the problem.
Doesn't work, there's alwayd someone who won\t comply..
T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Such as restricting access to echo(s) on a BBS. Yes, the troll could go to another board, but some won't bother. If "all" boards restricted access to certain echos, it would pretty much solve the problem.
Good luck getting that done in today's BBS world. You're lucky
you have a sysop logon to their own board for months at a time.
One of the bad things of having echos auto created when messages
come in.
It Lets the Non-SysOp SysOp's just allow users a free for all.
Worth trying, it's not like it's hard to do. Just a matter of Sysops acting like..... Sysops.
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserv
BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Synchronet is not my cup of tea but I wouldn't slam the tea brewer.
The standard mail processor for Maximus is Squish. But Squish has minimal support for arcmail attach systems like FrontDoor. BinkleyTerm has more
You have the be the dumbest person I ever spoke to on FidoNet in 2021.
Why not start talking about using SSH instead of Telnet as well.
FrontDoor/Fastecho/InterNet Rex combo...
Not me. I do not pay for anything BBS-related.
Probably never did, either, did you?
Man .. let me go thru my 135 shareware cds I have online and find some more outdated useless crap from 1990-1994.
How do you configure Net2BBS to receive callers via a BBS in WFC mode
?
I believe you'd use netfoss & netserial to do that. I just tried it
out with Telegard and it seems to work. Net2BBS is free whereas netserial is US$25 for sysops:
ipingtherforeim.com lists about 2100. It does a pretty good
"live" check for their on-line status.
Can we see you bbs before it becomes extinct?
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Very unkind comment. :-(
If you don't like Synchronet, then don't use it. This inelegant
attitude is totally unnecessary. Both contributes to BBS history
by own ways.
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
Where r u from?
Originally from San Francisco.
Where now..... I was thinking in the woods in Michigan somewhere
leading a Militia group ... Q-Anon something or other... If that was
the case I'm with you 100%... We need to work together to keep the man down!!!!
Since you didn't ask.... I'm sitting in my living room in my boxers drinking coffee and reading mail...
Just Google the filenames. You will find them on Scovetta. I know the
2.50 keys work for v2.62.2. (I think even a key for v2.02 will work because I do not think the seed, hash algorithm or encryption in RA has ever changed). If you cannot obtain those files from the internet then I will upload them to your BBS.
I'll make him aware ... it's not like he hasn't tried to register
them.. Now the RA site is MIA, from what I can see...
Stop it... there is... AND it's called SexPOTS.... We've talked about
this adnauseam... It's a small application that can connect "ANY" telnet-able BBS via modem... -=ANY=-. it's what we have... I have
used it in the past, know others who have as well... it works... SynchroNET is open source as well... you can download said source and
make the changes you need... OR... SexPOTS... has a great name and
will satisfy your problem....
You get a 2-fer with SexPOTS...
Marceline.... to be honest with you... I can see you running a
SynchroNET BBS... Just saying....
Logon to my WINServer BBS... you can by port 3141... or off my doors
menu through the Mystic BBS side... go to the message areas and start reading messages in... BBS ads and you'll see what wildcat does to
ANSI in the message base.
Synchronet is not my cup of tea but I wouldn't slam the tea brewer.
Authors talk smack about other people's tea all the time:
ipingtherforeim.com lists about 2100. It does a pretty good
"live" check for their on-line status.
Do you have the URL for "ipingtherforeim.com" ? (it does not appear to be a valid URL).
Man .. let me go thru my 135 shareware cds I have online and find som more outdated useless crap from 1990-1994.
Are you a hoarder of useless things ?
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
What are you talking about ?
Where r u from?
Originally from San Francisco.
Where now..... I was thinking in the woods in Michigan somewhere leading a Militia group ... Q-Anon something or other... If that was the case I'm with you 100%... We need to work together to keep the ma down!!!!
Since you didn't ask.... I'm sitting in my living room in my boxers drinking coffee and reading mail...
Somewhere downtown oiling my AR-15.
Just Google the filenames. You will find them on Scovetta. I know the 2.50 keys work for v2.62.2. (I think even a key for v2.02 will work because I do not think the seed, hash algorithm or encryption in RA h ever changed). If you cannot obtain those files from the internet the will upload them to your BBS.
I'll make him aware ... it's not like he hasn't tried to register them.. Now the RA site is MIA, from what I can see...
I do not understand why that guy just not release it as open source
public domain. What is he holding out for ?
SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.
Maybe there is an external reader that renders ANSI codes.
Now the RA site is MIA, from what I can see...
I do not understand why that guy just not release it as open source
public domain. What is he holding out for ?
SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.
Quoting Marceline Jones to Mauro Veiga <=-
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Very unkind comment. :-(
My comment is neutral (it is neither kind or unkind). What did I say
that is unkind ?
I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...
My now about 15 year old computer that runs my Fidonet system still has one. When I bought it, a serial port was still on the wish list.
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Very unkind comment. :-(
My comment is neutral (it is neither kind or unkind). What did I say
that is unkind ?
It was inelegant. And others think the same. But I believe that
you really think you were not inelegant. Try to be more careful.
Let's go back to the technical conversation.
Man .. let me go thru my 135 shareware cds I have online and find som more outdated useless crap from 1990-1994.
Are you a hoarder of useless things ?
Yes, but I offer them to anyone that wants them.
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more to preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Stop talking smack about people .... OMG!!!
What are you talking about ?
Rob has done a lot for the community and he's a nice guy
Not sure either... The author of BG Fax released his final version(s) without the need for a reg code. He said there was some agreements
made for portions of the source... I forget exactly what it was... so don't correct me DM... anyway, it's "free" but cannot be added on...
RA was the first BBS software I cut my teeth on.
I do not understand why that guy just not release it as open source
public domain. What is he holding out for ?
the code would be incomplete... it uses several commercial libraries
that cannot be released or come in only binary format...
SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.
I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...
In some ways the guy at "cbbs.mitsaltair.com:8800" is doing more preserve BBS history and culture than Rob Swindell.
Rob has done a lot for the community and he's a nice guy
When have I talked smack about Rob Swindell ?
Not sure either... The author of BG Fax released his final version(s without the need for a reg code. He said there was some agreements made for portions of the source... I forget exactly what it was... so don't correct me DM... anyway, it's "free" but cannot be added on... RA was the first BBS software I cut my teeth on.
It probably contains 3rd-party libraries licensed for distribution but
not modification. He could have formed a team to replace those sections but nobody cares anymore.
Marceline Jones wrote to DAVID DRUMMOND <=-
SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.
I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...
Nowadays people pay to add serial cards to their boards.
A true BBS has native support for serial ports.
Do you also believe that a "true" automobile has to be started with a manual crank handle which inserts into the front of the car? Using your logic, you must believe that. Right?
SexPOTS is an external utility, like wcOnline. Native serial modem
support was removed from Synchronet a long time ago. Synchronet's
paradigm is TCP/IP. It lost its gonads.
I cannot remember the last computer I had with a serial port...
Nowadays people pay to add serial cards to their boards.
A true BBS has native support for serial ports.
Do you also believe that a "true" automobile has to be started with a manual crank handle which inserts into the front of the car? Using your logic, you must believe that. Right?
Kees van Eeten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
03 Apr 21 15:38, you wrote to Marceline Jones:
Do you also believe that a "true" automobile has to be started with a manual crank handle which inserts into the front of the car? Using your logic, you must believe that. Right?
And it should not have a synchromesh gearbox either.
No. And air conditioning, a radio, and seatbelts should not be
available.
Rob Swindell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I'm not the moderator. <shrug> Mabye Marceline is/was a sysop?
Marceline Jones wrote to IB JOE <=-
I beg to differ. FrontDoor is for RemoteAccess. Using FrontDoor with Maximus is
like wearing a tie with a baseball cap, or vampires dating werewolves,
or bestiality.
mark lewis wrote to IB Joe <=-
i don't know what ""RA site"" you are speaking of but rapro.com is
still operational...
Marceline Jones wrote to MAURO VEIGA <=-
That is what is being communicated in my comment.
I think you are interpreting my comments with an unconscious bias.
Marceline Jones wrote to MAURO VEIGA <=-
Elegance is neither necessary or unnecessary, and inelegance is not the same as
unkind. So why should I care ? People should talk straight and say
what they mean.
i don't know what ""RA site"" you are speaking of but rapro.com is
still operational...
I wonder if someone still caters for that website...
mark lewis wrote to Nighthawk <=-
I wonder if someone still caters for that website...
if you are speaking of rapro.com, i suspect that bruse morse still
manages it...
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