On 31 Dec 19 07:10:18, Jonathan Hodges said the following to All:

Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board. Thanks!

Made it here,

Nick

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Hi Jonathan,

On 2019-12-31 07:10:18, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 1:220/30@fidonet 5e0b48bd
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board.

Thanks!

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Gesundheit!

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712/848

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Bye, Wilfred.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 05:10:18 GMT "Jonathan Hodges" <0@30.220.1> wrote:

From: "Jonathan Hodges : All" <0@30.220.1>
Newsgroups: fidotest
Subject: testing from the SC
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 05:10:18 GMT

Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board. Thanks!

Ack.

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'Tommi

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Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board.

Thanks!

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Got to Ireland

Sean
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Hi Jonathan!

31 Dec 2019 07:10, from Jonathan Hodges -> All:

@MSGID: 1:220/30@fidonet 5e0b48bd
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board.
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280/464
SEEN-BY: 280/5003 5555 310/31 320/119 219 322/0 756 396/45 423/120
712/848
SEEN-BY: 770/1 2452/250
@PATH: 220/30 322/0 320/219 203/0 280/464

CU, Ricsi

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Re: testing from the SC
By: Jonathan Hodges to All on Tue Dec 31 2019 07:10:18

Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board.

Thanks!

Sender Jonathan Hodges
To All
Subject testing from the SC
X-FTN-AREA FIDOTEST
X-FTN-MSGID 1:220/30@fidonet 5e0b48bd
X-FTN-PID CNet PRO 5.21b
X-FTN-SEEN-BY 1/19 16/0 120/544 123/130 131 142/799 154/10 50 201/0 203/0 X-FTN-SEEN-BY 203/124 220/30 221/0 1 6 360 6000 230/0 240/1120 5832 261/38 X-FTN-SEEN-BY 280/464 2000 5003 5555 320/119 219 322/0 756 335/364 423/81 X-FTN-SEEN-BY 640/1138 1321 1384 712/848 3634/12 5020/1042
X-FTN-PATH 220/30 322/0 320/219 203/0 280/5555 221/6 1 640/1384


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On 31 Dec 2019, Jonathan Hodges said the following...

Testing to see if my messages are still being sent from my board.

Fine tuned in Kansas!

-cr1mson

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Thanks!
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Hi Crackerjak,

Real name please...

On 2020-02-29 07:19:47, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 1:249/307.1@fidonet 5e5a64f5
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
Thanks!
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High ascii chars without a CHRS: kludge... :-(

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423/120

SEEN-BY: 712/848 770/1 2452/250
@PATH: 249/307 229/426 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Crackerjak.
On 29/02/2020 7.19 you wrote:

Thanks!
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| +-++-++-+|+ +-++-+ ++-+|+
| | +-+| ++++-+| |+-++++
+--++ +-++-++ ++-++ |+-++ +

Hmmm...

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Tommi

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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-03-07 04:33:20, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 1:220/30@fidonet 5e637873
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
Sorry I made the necessary changes.

You don't have to be sorry for posting in FIDOTEST! That's what if for! ;)

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There's still the high ascii chars without an appropriate CHRS: kludge...

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@PATH: 220/30 322/0 320/219 203/0 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

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Sorry I made the necessary changes.
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Hello Jonathan,

On Saturday March 07 2020 04:33, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

@MSGID: 1:220/30@fidonet 5e637873
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
Sorry I made the necessary changes.
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Non ASCII characters without a CHRS: line makes garbage...


Cheers, Michiel

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Non ASCII characters without a CHRS: line makes garbage...

"Incoming messages without "CHRS" control lines should be considered
as being written in the area's default character set (normally
ASCII, IBM codepage 437"

Those characters are IBM codepage 437 when they are hitting my system, which means that the characters are in compliance. But it does look like you're getting a UTF8 version of them somehow.

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Hello James,

On Saturday March 07 2020 19:47, you wrote to me:

Non ASCII characters without a CHRS: line makes garbage...

"Incoming messages without "CHRS" control lines should be considered
as being written in the area's default character set (normally
ASCII, IBM codepage 437"

I do not know where you got that, but FTS-5003 says something different:

=== quote FTS-5003 ===

Incoming messages without "CHRS" control lines should be considered
as being written in pure ASCII, but may be treated as being written
in some default character set or character encoding scheme. Such as
IBM codepage 437, IBM codepage 866 or UTF-8. It is recommended that
message readers offer the user the option of manually selecting a
different character set or encoding scheme for these messages on a
per-area, per-message or other basis.

=== end quote FTS-5003 ===

Those characters are IBM codepage 437 when they are hitting my system, which means that the characters are in compliance.

In complience with what? AFAIK, there is no default character encoding defined for this area.

But it does look like you're getting a UTF8 version of them somehow.

My reader is configured to use UTF-8 as the default.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Jonathan!

** 07.03.20 - 04:33, Jonathan Hodges wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

Sorry I made the necessary changes.
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Except for the "down-arrow"+"C4" on the line below "Sorry..", it looks
fine in OpenXP!

But alas, there does not seem to be either charset or chrs kludge.


../|ug

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Hello August,

On Saturday March 07 2020 08:48, you wrote to Jonathan Hodges:

@CHRS: IBMPC 2

^^^^^

Obsolete and depricated per FTS-5003.


Cheers, Michiel

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"Incoming messages without "CHRS" control lines should be considered
as being written in the area's default character set (normally
ASCII, IBM codepage 437"

I do not know where you got that, but FTS-5003 says something different:

I literally pasted it from FTS-5003.

http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

Which makes sense, considering there has to be a default way to handle cases where something doesn't use an optional kludge line.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/07 (Windows/64)
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"Incoming messages without "CHRS" control lines should be considered
as being written in the area's default character set (normally
ASCII, IBM codepage 437"

I do not know where you got that, but FTS-5003 says something different:

It actually comes from the latest dated document on the subject, my bad:

http://ftsc.org/docs/frl-1020.001

Seems it was reworded at some point.

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Hello James,

On Sunday March 08 2020 08:16, you wrote to me:

"Incoming messages without "CHRS" control lines should be considered
as being written in the area's default character set (normally
ASCII, IBM codepage 437"

I do not know where you got that, but FTS-5003 says something
different:

It actually comes from the latest dated document on the subject, my
bad:

http://ftsc.org/docs/frl-1020.001

Seems it was reworded at some point.

frl-1020 is not a standard. It is an archive of a proposal. That part of the proposal did not make it into the standard as it did no loger reflect common practice or wide spread use at the time.

Which makes sense, considering there has to be a default way to handle cases where something doesn't use an optional kludge line.

It made sense 30 years ago when Fidonet was mostly concentrated in Z1 and CP437 was more or less the only game in town. Today it makes much less sense. In Western Europe it is mostly CP850 or Latin 1. The majority of messages written in Fdionet these days however are in Cyrrilic. CP866 or KOI8-R.

Also.. For the vast majority of echomail areas there is no defined default encoding. Such a default would have to be defined by the moderator. But if there is no moderator or the moderator has not defined a default, the only thing that makes sense is to use ASCII only if there is no CHRS: kludge line.

Cheers, Michiel

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On Sun 8-Mar-2020 5:45a, Jonathan Hodges@1:220/30.0 said to Wilfred Van Velzen:

Ok I am sure I got it this time. I turned off SIGnature files for this base.
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You can also make a separate signature for network posts on C-Net. I allow signatures, but turned of MCI in all echos that are not Fully C-Net echos. So RetroNet's C-Net Support Echo and ArakNet C-Net Support echo allow MCI. I did make a request to have the C-Net Support echo added back to FidoNet
also.

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Hello Jonathan,

On Sunday March 08 2020 05:45, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

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Nope. Still no CHRS: kludge and stiil garbage. Not just in the range >128 but there is also al "low" control character in the signature, hex 19 or DC3. That should not be there at all. Here is a hex dump showing it:

Hexdump of message text:

0000 4F 6B 20 49 20 61 6D 20 73 75 72 65 20 49 20 67 Ok I am sure I g 0010 6F 74 20 69 74 20 74 68 69 73 20 74 69 6D 65 2E ot it this time. 0020 20 49 20 74 75 72 6E 65 64 20 6F 66 66 20 53 49 I turned off SI 0030 47 6E 61 74 75 72 65 20 66 69 6C 65 73 20 66 6F Gnature files fo 0040 72 20 74 68 69 73 20 62 61 73 65 2E 0D 19 63 34 r this base...c4 0050 D6 C4 C4 B7 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 B7 20 20 Í──À À
0060 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 FE 20 20 20 B7 20 20 0D ■ À . 0070 BA 20 20 20 D2 C4 B7 D6 C4 B7 D6 C4 B7 BA D6 20 ║ Ê─ÀÍ─ÀÍ─À║Í
0080 D6 C4 B7 D2 C4 B7 20 20 B7 D6 C4 B7 BA D6 20 0D Í─ÀÊ─À ÀÍ─À║Í .


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Jonathan!

08 Mar 2020 05:45, from Jonathan Hodges -> Wilfred Van Velzen:

@MSGID: 1:220/30@fidonet 5e64dada
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
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@PATH: 220/30 322/0 320/219 203/0 280/464

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-03-08 05:45:24, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 1:220/30@fidonet 5e64dada
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
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Nope...

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@PATH: 220/30 322/0 320/219 203/0 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

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