I'm back.. Though other than a few of my members, doubt anyone else missed me :)

It's been 30 years since Doc's Place BBS went online, and other than mail transport technology changing, mostly everything is the same. In the USA especially, big-tech has become the 21'st century Third Reich. Everything on the net is censored that the gatekeepers do not approve of.

Spending quite a bit of time lately working on my board. It got me thinking that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message editors to rich text, timymce editor comes to mind, we could include images, links, attachments, etc. Along with the necessary open graph meta tags, Fidonet and all the sysops we have could give big-tech some serious competition.

Just my thoughts maybe somehow include this suggestion in the weekly Fidoners publication.

Doc

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I'm back.. Though other than a few of my members, doubt anyone else missed me :)

Welcome back.

It's been 30 years since Doc's Place BBS went online, and other than mail transport technology changing, mostly everything is the same. In the USA especially, big-tech has become the 21'st century Third Reich. Everything on the net is censored that the gatekeepers do not approve of.

The problem is not big-tech. The problem is bullshit and bullshiters.

Spending quite a bit of time lately working on my board. It got me thinking that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message editors to rich text, timymc editor comes to mind, we could include images, links, attachments, etc. Along with the necessary open graph meta tags, Fidonet and all the sysops we have could give big-tech some serious competition.

You can include links to online content, images or files but there is no way to include such things in fidonet messages.

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I'm back.. Though other than a few of my members, doubt anyone else missed me
:)

Welcome back.

It's been 30 years since Doc's Place BBS went online, and other than mail transport technology changing, mostly everything is the same. In the USA especially, big-tech has become the 21'st century Third Reich. Everything on
the net is censored that the gatekeepers do not approve of.

The problem is not big-tech. The problem is bullshit and bullshiters.

Spending quite a bit of time lately working on my board. It got me thinking that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message editors to rich text, timymc editor comes to mind, we could include images, links, attachments, etc. Along with the necessary open graph meta tags, Fidonet and all the sysops we have could give big-tech some serious competition.

You can include links to online content, images or files but there is no way to

Yes i know that. We need to update our boards. Iÿm thinking we can
repopulate the Fidonet network. Get out of the dark ages!


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On 26 Jun 21 11:47:58, Ed Koon said the following to All:

It's been 30 years since Doc's Place BBS went online, and other than mail transport technology changing, mostly everything is the same. In the USA especially, big-tech has become the 21'st century Third Reich. Everything o the net is censored that the gatekeepers do not approve of.

Mehhhh... not sure I agree here. Nobody is forced to use big-tech or stopped randomly to "see your papers". Use Duckduckgo instead of Google. Read actual books instead of Facebook... etc. If one's techie tinfoil hat becomes too tight, then turn off the computer.

Spending quite a bit of time lately working on my board. It got me thinking that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message editors to rich text, tim editor comes to mind, we could include images, links, attachments, etc. Alo with the necessary open graph meta tags, Fidonet and all the sysops we have could give big-tech some serious competition.

The general idea is if one wants a fancy editor, one goes and writes one.

Nick
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ED KOON wrote to ALL <=-

Spending quite a bit of time lately working on my board. It got
me thinking that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message
editors to rich text, timymce editor comes to mind, we could
include images, links, attachments, etc.

There's a lot more too it than just the editors. How are all that
RTF, images, etc going to be stored in the BBS message databases?
The existing software doesn't support such things.

Besides, I wouldn't want Fidonet to become like all the other social
media garbage. No thanks. The fact that it's the way it is makes
it attractive.

Along with the necessary
open graph meta tags, Fidonet and all the sysops we have could
give big-tech some serious competition.

You don't actually believe that, do you?


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Alan wrote (2021-06-26):

The problem is not big-tech. The problem is bullshit and bullshiters.

The problem is big-tech and bullshit capitalism.

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The problem is big-tech and bullshit capitalism.

Actually *true* capitalism isn't all that bad. It's the corporate capitalism abomination, invented in the US, that is the real bullshit, now spreading all around the world like wildfire.



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The problem is not big-tech. The problem is bullshit and bullshiters.

The problem is big-tech and

How is big-tech a problem?

bullshit capitalism.

Capitalism works.

Just how well it works is debatable.

Capatalism works really well for a few.

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Re: Fidonet Rich Text
By: ED KOON to ALAN IANSON on Sat Jun 26 2021 07:53 pm

Yes i know that. We need to update our boards. Iÿm thinking we can repopulate the Fidonet network. Get out of the dark ages!

We could do that. All of this stuff that we do was dreamed up by somebody and then made possible by the various people who do the coding that enables us to get on with what we are doing.

Updating our boards is one thing, updating the networks is another.

Thinking of what you mentioned about images and multimedia.. the Synchronet message base format has allowances for all that. I don't think it has ever been put into practice but the idea was there and I suppose it could be used.

Fidonet and FTN doesn't support that though, and until it does we wouldn't be able to use that idea in a network.

Things can and do grow over time so who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi Ed,

Fidonet and all the sysops we have
could give big-tech some serious competition.

Let me repeat my reply that I send to any other wannabe coming up with similar fancy ideas ...

You want to change something about Fidonet? That's great, so why don't you? Don't wait for others to do it because you may not like it. First come, first served.

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Hello, ED!

Saturday June 26 2021 11:47, you wrote to ALL:

thinking that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message editors to
rich text,

Just to be on the same wave: "rich text" means:

1. RTF
2. Enriched text by RFC 1896
3. HTML
4. Markdown
5. Cryptocurrency which makes you rich by sending text via Fidonet
6. ?????

Best regards,
dp.
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Hello Ed,

I'm back.. Though other than a few of my members, doubt anyone else

missed me

:)

Welcome back.

It's been 30 years since Doc's Place BBS went online, and other than

mail

transport technology changing, mostly everything is the same. In the USA
especially, big-tech has become the 21'st century Third Reich.

Everything on

the net is censored that the gatekeepers do not approve of.

The problem is not big-tech. The problem is bullshit and bullshiters.

Spending quite a bit of time lately working on my board. It got me

thinking

that if Fidonet bbs's was to update their message editors to rich text,
timymc editor comes to mind, we could include images, links,

attachments,

etc. Along with the necessary open graph meta tags, Fidonet and all the
sysops we have could give big-tech some serious competition.

You can include links to online content, images or files but there is

no way to

Yes i know that. We need to update our boards. Iÿm thinking we can repopulate the Fidonet network. Get out of the dark ages!

Very easy. Use Cyrillic keyboard. Done.

--Lee

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Hello, Lee!

Monday June 28 2021 01:43, you wrote to ED KOON:

Yes i know that. We need to update our boards. Iÿm thinking we
can repopulate the Fidonet network. Get out of the dark ages!

Very easy. Use Cyrillic keyboard. Done.

Which one? Russian or Ukrainian?

Best regards,
dp.
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Alan wrote (2021-06-27):

The problem is not big-tech. The problem is bullshit and bullshiters.

The problem is big-tech and

How is big-tech a problem?

how is it not? ;)

https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destroy-surveillance-capitalism-8135e6744d59

bullshit capitalism.

Capitalism works.

unfortunately it does.

Just how well it works is debatable.

depends of the perspective or how you measure it.

it works very well to make a few people enormously rich and powerful.

it's also very effective in destroying the environment – fast and enduring.

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ED wrote (2021-06-26):

Yes i know that. We need to update our boards. I m thinking we can repopulate the Fidonet network. Get out of the dark ages!

Maybe you start with the software you are using and upgrade it to 90s technology software ;). Like support for the REPLY and the CHARS kludge.

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Hello Bj”rn,

The problem is big-tech and bullshit capitalism.

Actually *true* capitalism isn't all that bad.

There is only one time in which *true* capitalism has worked for me.
When I was a kid I used to sell live cockroaches to a scientist at a
biological lab that was located in the swamp.

I would make the traps made out of shoeboxes to catch them, so the
cost was minimal. These traps were also reusable, once the scientist
at the lab fed his creature.

Unfortunately, my venture into free enterprise did not last long
as the biological lab caught fire and the creature escaped into the
swamp. So that was the end of my free lunch money for school.

It's the corporate capitalism abomination, invented in the US, that is the real bullshit, now spreading all around the world like wildfire.

The company never did rebuild the lab after it burned down.
And the creature was never recaptured.

--Lee

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Hello Dmitry,

Yes i know that. We need to update our boards. Iÿm thinking we
can repopulate the Fidonet network. Get out of the dark ages!

Very easy. Use Cyrillic keyboard. Done.

Which one? Russian or Ukrainian?

Crimean?

--Lee

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Hello, Lee!

Monday June 28 2021 21:08, you wrote to me:

Which one? Russian or Ukrainian?

Crimean?

Sounds like some separatist movement! 5 years in jail according to Russian law, pack your stuff. Don't worry, we have Fidonet in Siberia, even with FIDONEWS and ENET.SYSOP available for subscription ;)

Best regards,
dp.
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bullshit capitalism.

Capitalism works.

unfortunately it does.

The failures of capitalism is a failure of men to do the right thing.

Just how well it works is debatable.

depends of the perspective or how you measure it.

A man can use his own capitalism to the benefit of all or the benefit of himself.

it works very well to make a few people enormously rich and powerful.

Yes, I don't think that does anyone much good.

it's also very effective in destroying the environment â ô fast and enduring.

This is also the actions or inactions of men. The problem is not capitalism, it is the way it is used.

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Alan wrote (2021-06-29):

This is also the actions or inactions of men. The problem is not capitalism, it is the way it is used.

I don't know about what fairy-tale version of capitalism you have in mind.
I mean capitalism in the way it is used or as the system with all the laws
and (non-)regulations that exist today. It's a systemic problem and not a problem with a few bad actors. Capitalism as it exists is made to make a minority very rich and reward sociopathic/psychopathic behaviour.


https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22550608/how-big-business-exploits-small-business

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/opinion/sunday/fables-of-wealth.html

and of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Friday 02.07.21 - 05:03, Alan Ianson wrote to Oli:

[...]

Capitalism as it exists is made to make a minority very
rich and reward sociopathic/psychopathic behaviour.

Capitalism is not designed for that outcome but indeed
that is what we get much of the time.

Essential reading..

An award-winning author and leading
international economist delivers a much-needed
plan for rethinking capitalism and tackling the
most urgent problems in modern society.

Capitalism is in crisis. The rich have gotten
richer - the 1 percent, those who earn more
than $1 million annually, own 44 percent of
the world's wealth - while climate change is
transforming, and in some cases wiping out, life on
the planet. We are plagued by crises threatening our
lives, and this situation is unsustainable. But how do
we confront these problems proactively, reimagining
our future, rather than retroactively picking up the
pieces as markets fail?

Mission Economy looks at the grand challenges
facing us in a radically new way. Global warming,
pollution, dementia, obesity, gun violence, mobility -
these environmental, health, and social dilemmas are
huge and complex, and do not have simple solution.

Mariana Mazzucato argues that we need to think bigger
and mobilize our resources in a way that is as bold
and inspirational as the moon landing - this time
to solve the most wicked problems of our time. We
can only begin to find answers if we fundamentally
restructure capitalism to make it inclusive, sustain-
able, and driven by innovation that tackles concrete
issues, from the digital divide to health pandemic
to our polluted cities: Fundamentally, this requires
redesigning government tools to be less about sub-
sidies and more about proactive investments toward
the common good, restructuring corporate gover-
nance to be more stakeholder driven, and rethinking
economic theory, which has often misguided both the
public and private sectors.

This book tackles and relates all three of these
challenges: changing government, changing business,
and changing theory. It is essential reading if we are
ever to stop going from one crisis to another.

Mission Economy: A Moonshot Guide to Changing Capitalism |
Hardcover
Mariana Mazzucato
HarperCollins | Harper Business
Business & Economics / Economics - Theory / Government & Business / Decision Making & Problem Solving
Published Mar 23, 2021 | Sales (#4421)
$29.99 US / $36.99 CA list price

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Hello August,

Capitalism as it exists is made to make a minority very
rich and reward sociopathic/psychopathic behaviour.

Capitalism is not designed for that outcome but indeed
that is what we get much of the time.

Essential reading..

Is it? Seems more like an old re-tread to me.

An award-winning author and leading
international economist delivers a much-needed
plan for rethinking capitalism and tackling the
most urgent problems in modern society.

Mikhail Gorbachev called it "Glasnost".
Or was it "Perestroika"? Kind of hard to tell,
given what happened to his [former] country.

Capitalism is in crisis. The rich have gotten
richer - the 1 percent, those who earn more
than $1 million annually, own 44 percent of
the world's wealth - while climate change is
transforming, and in some cases wiping out, life on
the planet. We are plagued by crises threatening our
lives, and this situation is unsustainable. But how do
we confront these problems proactively, reimagining
our future, rather than retroactively picking up the
pieces as markets fail?

Karl Marx said much the same thing. But really.
Has anybody truly looked at what he had underneath
all that beard?

Mission Economy looks at the grand challenges
facing us in a radically new way. Global warming,
pollution, dementia, obesity, gun violence, mobility -
these environmental, health, and social dilemmas are
huge and complex, and do not have simple solution.

What we had in the old Soviet Union was a series of dictatorships,
each under a different guise. First there was Leninism, then there
was Stalinism, followed by others with their own unique form of
-ism, with Gorbachev deciding he had had enough.

Mariana Mazzucato argues that we need to think bigger
and mobilize our resources in a way that is as bold
and inspirational as the moon landing - this time
to solve the most wicked problems of our time.

Her argument is more like Mission Impossible. No state-run
economy would be any better (if not worse) than what we have
now. No need to look at the old USSR or Cuba for guidance.
We all know what happened there.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-economy- breakingvi/breakingviews-review-mission-economy-may-be-mission -impossible-idUSKBN29Y219

We can only begin to find answers if we fundamentally
restructure capitalism to make it inclusive, sustain-
able, and driven by innovation that tackles concrete
issues, from the digital divide to health pandemic
to our polluted cities:

Kind of cute, using different words meaning the same thing.
Marx would have gladly approved. But he is no longer here, is
he? With almost the entire world rejecting his claims.

Fundamentally, this requires
redesigning government tools to be less about sub-
sidies and more about proactive investments toward
the common good, restructuring corporate gover-
nance to be more stakeholder driven, and rethinking
economic theory, which has often misguided both the
public and private sectors.

That's the spirit! Let the government own both the
public and private sectors, redistributing the income
so all can be equal!

This book tackles and relates all three of these
challenges: changing government, changing business,
and changing theory. It is essential reading if we are
ever to stop going from one crisis to another.

China, Laos, Cuba, and North Korea.
Mazzucato's heaven.
Everybody else's hell.

Mission Economy: A Moonshot Guide to Changing Capitalism |
Hardcover
Mariana Mazzucato
HarperCollins | Harper Business
Business & Economics / Economics - Theory / Government & Business / Decision
Making & Problem Solving
Published Mar 23, 2021 | Sales (#4421)
$29.99 US / $36.99 CA list price

Karl Marx' "Communist Manifesto" is free at Project Gutenberg.
As well as "Das Kapital" - cowritten by his friend Engels.

--Lee

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