Too early to shout success, but so far so good, it seems:

http://eljaco.se/Corona_SE.jpg

("maj" is of course Swedish for "May" -- DUH?)




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Too early to shout success, but so far so good, it seems:

http://eljaco.se/Corona_SE.jpg

("maj" is of course Swedish for "May" -- DUH?)

I have an opinion to vent here ... :-) ...

1) Sweden is a very big country (a lot of people fail to notice that),
therefor the population density of 25 people per square kilometer is in
sharp contrast to my country where the density is 367 people per square
kilometer. For that reason alone Sweden has a very very much lower
reproduction ratio of the virus than any other country.

2) Sweden only counts deaths of people who previously tested positive for the
virus. Those who presumable died because of the virus but were not tested
yet are not counted.

3) Sweden does not count Covid19-deaths from nursing homes ...

4) There is no uniform counting way between several countries and because of
this numbers are being kept low. If they were counted as they are in
Belgium Sweden's numbers might like times-4 or -5.

5) I think it is very cruel to endanger an entire population for an
experiment.

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http://eljaco.se/Corona_SE.jpg

("maj" is of course Swedish for "May" -- DUH?)

I have an opinion to vent here ... :-) ...

Before I comment, may I please emphasize that the above chart is not in any way to be taken literally (as in absolute numbers) but it's the trend that's important.

1) Sweden is a very big country (a lot of people fail to notice that), therefor the population density of 25 people per square kilometer is in sharp contrast to my country where the density is 367 people per square kilometer. For that reason alone Sweden has a very very much lower reproduction ratio of the virus than any other country.

True. But more than two million Swedes live in the Stockholm area. 1.5 million in the city itself (3,950 people per km^2).

2) Sweden only counts deaths of people who previously tested positive
for the
virus. Those who presumable died because of the virus but were not tested yet are not counted.

Totally wrong.

3) Sweden does not count Covid19-deaths from nursing homes ...

Once again, totally wrong. In fact, this is exactly why the Swedish death toll is so high: we are one of a few countries that actually count the nursing homes. They account for more than 50% of our deaths.

4) There is no uniform counting way between several countries and
because of
this numbers are being kept low. If they were counted as they are in Belgium Sweden's numbers might like times-4 or -5.

True. That's why I can only repeat: any graph showing the development *must* not be taken verbatim, it's the trend that is important.

5) I think it is very cruel to endanger an entire population for an experiment.

I think it's cruel to endanger an entire population with edicts from a handful of politicians. Some people may trust their lives with *their* politicians -- I don't...


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Hello Ward!

12 May 20 01:07, Ward Dossche wrote to Bj�rn Felten:

I have an opinion to vent here ... :-) ...

More than one, obviously. :)

1) Sweden is a very big country (a lot of people fail to notice
that),
therefor the population density of 25 people per square kilometer
is in
sharp contrast to my country where the density is 367 people per square
kilometer. For that reason alone Sweden has a very very much lower
reproduction ratio of the virus than any other country.

That always depends on the distribution of these people, the mean value tells you nothing. 10% of the Swedes live in Stockholm, the density there is not much different from Brussels.

5) I think it is very cruel to endanger an entire population for an
experiment.

Each and every country is experimenting. We know next to nothing about the virus, how it spreads, what advantages and disadvantages measures or countermeasures will have. I think one important point is to keep people informed as good as possible to allow them to draw their own conclusions. Each government will be well advised to communicate clearly with their population to explain what they are doing and why. So far my impression was that Sweden is doing quite ok on that part.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Each and every country is experimenting. We know next to nothing about
the virus, how it spreads, what advantages and disadvantages measures or countermeasures will have. I think one important point is to keep people informed as good as possible to allow them to draw their own
conclusions. Each government will be well advised to communicate clearly with their population to explain what they are doing and why. So far my impression was that Sweden is doing quite ok on that part.

Amen to all the above!



-- Gerrit K�hn for president. 8-)



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True. But more than two million Swedes live in the Stockholm area. 1.5 million in the city itself (3,950 people per km^2).

Meaning 8 million don't.

2) Sweden only counts deaths of people who previously tested
positive for the virus. Those who presumable died because of the virus BF>WD> but were not tested yet are not counted.

Totally wrong.

Hmmm ...

https://www.thelocal.se/20200414/
understanding-swedens-figures-on-the-coronavirus

"Each day at around 2pm, Sweden's Public Health Agency releases the latest
figures showing how many people have been confirmed to have the
coronavirus, treated in intensive care, and died with the virus.

Only cases which have been confirmed with a laboratory test are included
in these statistics. In other words, this is only a small proportion of
the true number of cases."

3) Sweden does not count Covid19-deaths from nursing homes ...

Once again, totally wrong. In fact, this is exactly why the Swedish
death toll is so high: we are one of a few countries that actually count the nursing homes. They account for more than 50% of our deaths.

Hmmmmm ...

https://www.thelocal.se/20200414/
understanding-swedens-figures-on-the-coronavirus

"This is different from how other countries report their death tolls. Some
countries such as France also include deaths from nursing homes."

Which implies Sweden doesn't.

I think it's cruel to endanger an entire population with edicts from a handful of politicians. Some people may trust their lives with *their* politicians -- I don't...

I nearly got killed because of a politician in March.

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Totally wrong.

Hmmm ...

Don't believe everything you read on the 'net. Especially not from a source like The Local (notorious in Sweden).



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Hello Ward,

I think it's cruel to endanger an entire population with edicts from a
handful of politicians. Some people may trust their lives with *their*
politicians -- I don't...

I nearly got killed because of a politician in March.

We all nearly got killed because of a politician in March.
We all still might get killed because of a politician today.
So what difference does it make whether we get killed today,
tomorrow, or some other day?

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

--Lee

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On May 13, 2020 02:04am, Lee Lofaso wrote to Ward Dossche:

So what difference does it make whether we get killed today,
tomorrow, or some other day?

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

The difference is how we die, peacefully in my sleep would be the best option
I would think.

Terry

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Don't believe everything you read on the 'net. Especially not from a
source like The Local (notorious in Sweden).

That's what I also tell myself ...

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Re: RE: The world famous Swedish experiment
By: Terry Roati to Lee Lofaso on Wed May 13 2020 12:54:42

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

The difference is how we die, peacefully in my sleep would be the
best option I would think.

as long as you're not driving a bus or plane filled with passengers, that's probably ok ;)


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Hello Terry,

So what difference does it make whether we get killed today,
tomorrow, or some other day?

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

The difference is how we die, peacefully in my sleep would be the best option I would think.

Fr�re Jacques
Fr�re Jacques
Dormez-vous?
Dormez-vous?

Sonnez les matines
Sonnez les matines
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

Fr�re Jacques
Fr�re Jacques
Dormez-vous?
Dormez-vous?

Sonnez les matines
Sonnez les matines
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

How do you know you are sleeping?
Or if you are awake?
Can anyone really know the difference?

--Lee

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On 13/05/2020 10:06, 2203/2 wrote:

So what difference does it make whether we get killed today,
tomorrow, or some other day?

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

I was hoping to put it off for a little while yet. I appreciate that this may be labelled procrastination, but ...

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Hello mark,

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

The difference is how we die, peacefully in my sleep would be the
best option I would think.

as long as you're not driving a bus or plane filled with passengers,

that's

probably ok ;)

Probably?

Just walk into a church and shout "Allahu Akbar!"
and watch what happens.

Best done with a jacket on, and in plain sight.

--Lee

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Re: The world famous Swedish experiment
By: Lee Lofaso to mark lewis on Thu May 14 2020 18:49:17

The difference is how we die, peacefully in my sleep would be the
best option I would think.

as long as you're not driving a bus or plane filled with passengers, that's
probably ok ;)

Probably?

know your meme...

"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car." - Will Rogers


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Hello David,

So what difference does it make whether we get killed today,
tomorrow, or some other day?

I mean, we all gotta die some day ...

I was hoping to put it off for a little while yet. I appreciate that this may be labelled procrastination, but ...

And this struggle every night.

Real struggle is lying in bed wondering if it's worth it to get
up and pee.

Go take a rest; you deserve it.

--Lee

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On Tue 12-May-2020 1:07a, Ward Dossche@2:292/854.0 said to Bj�rn Felten:

Too early to shout success, but so far so good, it seems:

http://eljaco.se/Corona_SE.jpg

("maj" is of course Swedish for "May" -- DUH?)

I have an opinion to vent here ... :-) ...

5) I think it is very cruel to endanger an entire population for an
experiment.

Cruel for sure, Ward, but also very much inhuman.

Mick

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Hello Mickey,

Too early to shout success, but so far so good, it seems:

http://eljaco.se/Corona_SE.jpg

("maj" is of course Swedish for "May" -- DUH?)

I have an opinion to vent here ... :-) ...

5) I think it is very cruel to endanger an entire population for an
experiment.

Cruel for sure, Ward, but also very much inhuman.

"I don't use insulin. Should I be? I never thought about it.
But I know a lot of people are very badly affected, right?
Unbelievable." ~Donald J. Trump

A reporter then asked him why he would take insulin. Not having
a clue, Trump asked surgeon general Jerome Adams to answer, in which
the good doctor explained that, "Your body, Mr. President, actually
makes insulin endogenousy."

Now you are talking about a president who does not smoke. Or
drink alcohol. Or tea. Or coffee. So who are we to stop him from
taking insulin in order to prevent diabetes?

I can just see it now. New York Times headline.
President Trump OD's on insulin. May he rest in peace.

OTOH, he has survived taking bleach and disinfectant, along
with hydroxychloride, and never wears a mask in public. The man
is virtually indestructable, even when shining light in places
where the sun don't shine.

Elvis Presley sang a song about him long ago - "Don't Be Cruel".

Then he met with Richard Nixon, at the White House, who made
him a secret secret service agent. At the age of 42, Elvis was
reputed to have died. But that was all part of the ruse. Lisa
Marie knows the truth. So does Michael Jackson. But they are
both sworn to secrecy. Along with Nicolas Cage.

Anyway, Elvis' secret is safe with me. His orange wig and make-up
might fool everybody else, but not the ones who are in-the-know.

--Lee

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