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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
The Corona pandemic is real .............................. 2
3. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 7
List of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 7
4. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 10
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 10
5. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 11
6. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 18
Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 18
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 19
7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 21
How to Submit an Article ................................. 21
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 23

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FOOD FOR THOUGHT =================================================================

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained
by stupidity.

-- Hanlon's razor


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GENERAL ARTICLES =================================================================

The Corona pandemic is real
Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

There are now tens of thousands of Corona stories worldwide ... a
bunch ended bad, others have ended good. This is mine, one of so many
...

How do you contract a Corona infection? I can't say, it just happened
to me I think. It has been a very slow process. Somehow, just in the
wrong place at the wrong time...

Mid March I felt a bit unusual, sometimes slightly flu-like.
Temperature that fluctuated from 38C + to below 36C. For no apparent
reason. So it is probably not all that bad you think.

At the doctor's front door there was a note saying there are no
consultations, you can call for an interview to see if a screening
can be arranged in a hospital, but it turned out to be a very tedious
process, as if they did not want to treat you.

The common explanation was "Fever? Take some paracetamol and stay
inside. It will improve.".

The only question is "how long" you can wait while your body
starts to give more and more signals of "The minister of Health
does not know what she is talking about"

It is starting to become a bit of the story of the Belgian TV program
"This will never happen to me"... with the understanding that you are increasingly taking into account that it was exactly happening to
you. You just don't look deathly ill and you can't get to a doctor.

I was able to reach my daughter Nele on 23/3 and her conclusion was
razor sharp "It is with you guys who's sicker than the other" (my
wife was also a cough machine in the meantime). The doctor was called
and 2 days later (Wednesday 25/3) we were scheduled to be screened.
Note "sick to death" but still wait 48 hours.

Then the next fate strikes... that night my daughter Anneleen
miscarries at 15 weeks, presumably unrelated, and goes to the
hospital at 4am. Suddenly my wife and I are reclassified from a
possible Corona patient to a caring grandparent, against all advice,
against all logic. The reality is a strange thing and the hospital
visit cannot happen.

We can get a new appointment Monday 30/4... 5 more days to go...
"stay inside" as the minister would call it... meanwhile you will
continue to cough the lungs out of your chest, get a temperature,
swallow Ibuprofen and / or Dafalgan... stay in your room.

It is Friday 27/3. With a bucket between my legs to catch the coughed
up mucus, unstoppable. I signal to Anneleen "It is no longer
possible, I can not keep this up" and ask to reach Nele. We get her
at work in the hospital and I ask if she can go to the emergency /
triage of a hospital with me. Somewhere. Anywhere... as long as
it's a hospital ... Her superior understands the need and Nele is
allowed to leave her service, take a shower and pick me up.

I get a mouth mask from her, and breathing through such a mask while
you continue to function is incredibly difficult. We leave for the
hospital, it becomes GZA St. Augustinus. Very well known in Antwerp.

When she arrived at the emergency / triage Nele got out and pushed a
button there. Two electronic doors opened and she said, "Step
inside now. You are there".

Suddenly you get a feeling of "I'm on my own, no one holding my hand,
all alone". The doors closed. "Hello Nele. Will I ever see you again?
" "Fiene and Steff, the grandchildren... are we ever going to be
able to pull some more mischief that grandma will hate?" ... I
didn't think so.

A voice: "Yes, what is it for?" as if that was not clear.

I looked down a dimly lit hall and only saw a black hole. A kind of
dragon head during the Chinese New Year that danced around and was
going to devour me. Hell. I was going to die, was convinced, and
there was no shit I could do about it.

But the hospital staff didn't put me near the dirt bin... "Someone
aged 69?" ... However, the feeling that I was going to die alone in a
small green room on my own was very real...

Within 15 minutes I had an oxygen mask, an EKG was taken, rotated
through a lung scanner, lung radiography... And with such a rod in my
nose to detect Covid19 of which it was said "It is soooo unpleasant".
Sorry, it was the best thing that was going to happen that day, they
were dealing with me. I was not given up by the system. I was not
expecting that.

The monster was swinging in the hallway, but I might be able to whack
it on the head.

To a waiting room for the night, to get some sleep. The next day the
verdict fell... double Covid19 pneumonia... that was the condition of
which De Block said "Grab some Paracetamol and stay inside". Had
I done that, I was already lying between four boards. Thank you Mrs.
De Block, we will never know how much unnecessary deaths you have on
your conscience because of that... and then we will keep silent about
the reduction of hospital beds during the various savings rounds...
we get the bill of the stupid savings policy "now". But at the
end of the ride, the top politicians walk around like a proud peacock
claiming someone else's merits

The treatments were started and the first days it is horrible. The
number of liters of slime and snot was hard to imagine. Difficult
nights because you go to the monitor every 2 hours, but we get it. I
lie at the front of the wing and literally at 7:20 am you are kicked
out of bed. But I understand that too; logistics are in order, making
beds, mopping rooms, disinfecting rooms and then eating. Drawing
blood, injecting penicyline in an IV, medication... you are being
drilled.

Your day sometimes gets better, your night gets quieter.... Am I
going to make it?

You never see the care-givers. Always completely wrapped up, mouth
masks, headgear, splash shield for the eyes ... I don't know a single
name. The jokes about nurses start pouring in, but you really have no
use for that, and over time you start to recognize the voices. A
mythical bond grows, your struggle also becomes their struggle.

First you are an old man, then they see you working on a laptop and
the respect grows, mutual respect.

You get serious medication that is linked to malaria, antibiotics in
pills but also intravenous, an IV with more stuff, an oxygen mask ...
and I do not have to go to the intensive care.

Plus it has to be said, hospital meals of the highest quality. Lunch
was the time of day to look forward to.

Every day all bed linen replaced, the room completely mopped with
some product, toilet sink bed window sill table chair ... everything
is disinfected at least once a day. And over time, Corona also starts
to have his / her (is it a boy or a girl?) scent ... the scent of
Dettol and other products have been linked to Corona for me forever.

Eventually you will be pricked from all sides with needles, but I can
handle that well. Syringes against flebites in the abdomen.

And then the medication is reduced, suddenly no more Plaquenil, no
antibiotics in pill form, only intravenous and you start to get it
... we are winning this battle. "We" that is the hospital staff
and myself.

In the end, everything stops and you just hang on to the oxygen hose
... and then it gets disconnected as well and it turns out that your
oxygen level in the blood remains stable ...

"You can go home tomorrow"... Almost disappointment because I am
going to miss these wonderful people. Can I continue without them?

At home we were able to shield an apartment to be completely
quarantined. Not that it is really imposed, but we have the
opportunity and we can do it. So why not.

And then the moment of the dismissal arrives, I have the papers and
they come to pick me up. "Can you walk by yourself to the exit?" ...
I almost answer with "Of course, I'm not sick" But I see the
entire staff of my Covid19 ward standing there and they start
applauding when I pass. It is getting too much for me and I have to
cry while addressing the girls and some of the gentlemen... "I came
in here 11 days ago thinking I was done. You have judged it
differently and have given me a second chance at life. Someone who
did not experience it does not understand this, I will never forget
you. I can still see my grandchildren grow up, an unlikely gift
"... the push of a button and the electronic doors opened again. No
Chinese monster this time, just a yellow line to the elevators and to
the exit... I had knocked the monster flat on its face.

And there Wouter (my son) was waiting to take me home to the next
phase of my life.

Is this the end? Is it done now?

Certainly not.

You have a lot of time to think and consider life practically.
Society before Corona is no longer there, switching to "business as
usual" would be a serious mistake. Everything changes.

Whoever believes that there will be Olympic Games in Japan in 2021 is
probably a citizen of Disneyland, fairytales are common there. Corona
is and remains there. Professional sports are going to be hit hard,
event supply companies are going through a difficult time, will Rock
Werchter ever continue? Tomorrow Land? Business as usual will be a
totally wrong approach.

There are also "special" sides to the Corona pandemic. We get our
daily dose of entertainment from Donald Trump, if now only my
American friends would care to see what a dangerous and irresponsible
madman this is.

We should not be annoyed with Eurosong, it is canceled.

The European Football Championship? Possibly something like the OS
that it cannot be organized.

Maybe we should start deliberating on mega events. Can humanity still
handle it?

The Olympics may have to return to the starting concept where not
everything will be spread out in 10-12 days but only a few
disciplines took place at a time. Disciplines such as shooting live
pigeons (OS 1920 Antwerp) do not have to return... Belgium won the
gold by the way.

The European Football Championship with a final round of 4 teams as
in 1972 when Belgium finished 3rd. Away from the megalomaniac
approach.

Everything is going to be different, and what ever was won't come
back.

What I found annoying during the time in the hospital was that there
was very little entertainment on TV for people who were hospitalized.
Dozens of home video programs but it all had to remain "LOL".

Only the TV news remained with numbers of deaths, hospitalized people
and endless bullshit about statistics and journalists who are
constantly trying to make news by putting words in their guests
mouths. High days also for politicians who have ample opportunity to
find their best angle to get on TV.

You lie there sick and it is of no use to you. You want to know "how
does this work for me" and "do I survive this?" Those answers don't
come.

A second annoying thing is / was that when you try to find
information that is of use to you in an electronic newspaper, a
number of publications do not hesitate to offer you the bill first
and let you pay from your sick bed ... Was it really impossible to
make the electronic newspaper non-paying for a while?

What I would like to draw extra attention to is the staff in the
hospitals. You can applaud as much as you like at 8pm, but there is
little point. These people have been doing a gigantic and undermanned
job for 40-50 years. Only that is now at risk for one's own life....
It has become my family. Those people know things about me that
nobody knows.

For them, I hope that the recognition continues when this is behind
us, that their profession is finally recognized as "heavy" and
that the recognition is not stopped because of interests in another
sector.

5 more days of quarantine when I write this ...

Special thanks to my children who organized a phenomenal return. You
are the best ... I love you more than you will ever know


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LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES =================================================================

List of IPv6 nodes
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

Updated 19 Apr 2020


Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark

1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All f
2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f
3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net f
4 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo f
5 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
6 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net f
7 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula Native OH f
8 2:5053/54 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
9 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky Native PCextreme
10 1:154/10 Nicholas Bo‰l Native Spectrum f
11 2:203/0 Bj”rn Felten T-6in4 he.net
12 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f INO4
13 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6in4 he.net f IO
14 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner f
15 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
16 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0
17 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek T-6in4 he.net
18 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
19 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native AusNetServers f
20 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline f IO
21 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
22 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
23 2:5053/58 Alexander Kruglikov Native TTK-Volga f
24 1:103/1 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
25 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh Native Internode
26 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter Native DE-NETCUP f
27 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
28 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel f
29 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
30 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
31 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
32 1:154/30 Mike Miller Native LINODE
33 1:282/1031 Jeff Smith T-6in4 he.net
34 2:5001/100 Dmitry Protasoff Native Hetzner
35 2:5059/38 Andrey Mundirov T-6in4 he.net
36 2:240/5853 Philipp Giebel Native Hetzner
37 2:5083/444 Peter Khanin Native OVH
38 2:2452/413 Ingo Juergensmann Native RRBONE-COLO f
38 1:123/10 Wayne Smith T-6in4 he.net
40 2:5021/46 Dmitry Komissarov Native THEFIRST
41 2:4500/1 Eugene Kozhuhovsky Native DATAHATA6
42 1:135/300 Eric Renfro Native Amazon.com
43 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
44 2:5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky Native FORPSI Ktis f
45 2:5095/0 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
46 2:5095/20 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
47 4:902/26 Fernando Toledo T-6in4 he.net
48 2:5019/400 Konstantin Kuzov Native LT-LT
49 2:467/239 Mihail Kapitanov T-6in4 he.net f
50 2:463/1331 Andrei Dzedolik Native DIGITALOCEAN
51 2:5010/275 Evgeny Chevtaev T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0 f
52 2:5020/736 Egor Glukhov Native RUWEB f
53 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Xs4All
54 2:230/38 Benny Pedersen Native Linode
55 2:460/58 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f
56 1 135/367 Antonio Rivera Native RRSW-V6
57 2:5020/2123 Anton Samsonov T-6in4 he.net
58 2:5020/2332 Andrey Ignatov Native ru.rtk
59 2:5005/49 Victor Sudakov T-6in4 he.net
60 2:5005/77 Valery Lutoshkin T-6in4 NTS f
61 2:5005/106 Alexey Osiyuk T-6in4 he.net f
62 1:153/757 Alan Ianson Native TELUS
63 2:5057/53 Ivan Kovalenko T-6in4 he.net f
64 2:5020/921 Andrew Savin Native Starlink
65 2:5010/352 Dmitriy Smirnov Native EkranTV f
66 2:292/854 Ward Dossche Native Proximus OO DOWN
67 2:469/122 Sergey Zabolotny Native ARUBA-NET f
68 2:5053/400 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
69 1:135/371 Eric Renfro Native Cox Communications
70 2:250/5 Christian Sacks Native Sky Broadband
71 2:240/1634 Hugo Andriessen Native Unitymedia
72 2:421/21 Stepan Gabriel Native NETDATACOMM
73 2:466/4 Igor Goroun Native HOS-GUN
74 2:5030/1997 Alexey Fayans T-6in4 he.net
75 1:14/6 Jeff Smith T-6in4 he.net
76 1:220/70 Joseph Werle T-6in4 he.net
77 2:5061/15 Eugene Gladchenko Native ARUBAUK-NET
78 2:240/100 Arno Klein Native OVH
79 2:2452/502 Ludwig Bernhartzeder Native DTAG
80 2:423/39 Karel Kral Native WEDOS
81 2:5080/102 Stas Degteff T-6to4 NOVATOR
82 2:280/1049 Simon Voortman Native Solcon
83 1:102/127 Bradley Thornton Native Hetzner
84 2:335/364 Fabio Bizzi Native IT-ALBACOM
85 1:124/5016 Nigel Reed Native DAL1-US
86 2:5020/843 Peter Antonov Native BelCloud
87 2:5075/35 Eugene Subbotin T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER
88 2:5075/128 Eugene Subbotin T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER f
89 2:5075/37 Andrew Komardin Native IHC-NET
90 1:218/820 Ryan Fantus Native DigitalOcean
91 1:153/146 Erich Bublitz Native LINODE-US
92 2:263/5 Martin List-Petersen Native TuxBox


T-6in4 Static 6in4
T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
T-6to4 6to4
T-6RD 6RD

Remarks:
f Has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address
IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls)
INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls)
PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
but is configured to try IPv4 first)
6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
DOWN This node is temporarely down for both IPv4 and IPv6
PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
capability but is not listed or does not advertise an
IPv6 address in the Fidonet nodelist yet.

Notes:

To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
node config for binkd up to 1.1a-96, -64 option for binkd 1.1a-97
and up when compiled with AF_FORCE=1). If the destinationaddress
is a 6to4 tunnel address (2002::/16) many OSs default to IPv4 if
an IPv4 address is present.


Submitted on day 110

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SPECIAL INTEREST =================================================================

Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
By EchoTime, 2:203/0

(Some nets may have lost their last
digit for technical reasons)

pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
nodes mean dev no mean dev no

154/* 8.3m 11.1m 283 1.0h 3.0h 282
221/* 0.8m 0.9m 497 5.2h 5.6h 496
280/* 0.6m 0.4m 590 6.2h 9.1h 588
292/* 6.8m 9.3m 6 39.2h 50.3h 5
320/* 1.5m 1.4m 296 3.1h 8.6h 295
502/* 0.6m 0.3m 9 6.8h 8.4h 9

Sigma 2.1m 5.4m 1681 4.6h 8.1h 1675

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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.108
size 184.9kb
date 2020-04-17

The nodelist has 999 nodes in it
and a total of 1468 non-comment entries

including 4 zones
31 regions
169 hosts
66 hubs
admin overhead 270 ( 27.03 %)

and 109 private nodes
41 nodes down
49 nodes on hold
off line overhead 199 ( 19.92 %)


Speed summary:

>9600 = 53 ( 5.31 %)
9600 = 205 ( 20.52 %)
(HST = 8 or 3.90 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 0 or 0.00 %)
(V32 = 82 or 40.00 %)
(V32B = 18 or 8.78 %)
(V34 = 100 or 48.78 %)
(V42 = 82 or 40.00 %)
(V42B = 20 or 9.76 %)
2400 = 1 ( 0.10 %)
1200 = 0 ( 0.00 %)
300 = 740 ( 74.07 %)

ISDN = 32 ( 3.20 %)

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IP Flags Protocol Number of systems -----------------------------------------------------
IBN Binkp 756 ( 75.68 %) ----------------------------------
IFC Raw ifcico 87 ( 8.71 %) ----------------------------------
IFT FTP 67 ( 6.71 %) ----------------------------------
ITN Telnet 164 ( 16.42 %) ----------------------------------
IVM Vmodem 13 ( 1.30 %) ----------------------------------
IP Other 5 ( 0.50 %) ----------------------------------
INO4 IPv6 only 1 ( 0.10 %) ----------------------------------

CrashMail capable = 843 ( 84.38 %)
MailOnly nodes = 319 ( 31.93 %)
Listed-only nodes = 26 ( 2.60 %)



[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/2]
[ NetStats 3.8 2014-11-23]

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The Corona pandemic is real
Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

A survivor.

H.P. Lovecraft wrote horror fiction.
But everybody who read his works knew it was fiction.

What Ward D. wrote is horror, not fiction.
A horror no person should ever have to experience.

The governor of Florida just re-opened the beaches.
Thousands of Florida morons then flocked to the beaches.
In the very near future those same Florida morons will
be visiting hospitals, and dying.

I take it Ward D. did not catch the novel coronavirus by
going to the beach in Belgium. But maybe he took to sailing
without ever having to actually set foot on the beach.

Nah. That would be missing all the fun of being on the beach.

No matter how careful one is, one can never be careful enough.
If the novel coronavirus finds you, it is going to get you.

There are now tens of thousands of Corona stories worldwide ... a
bunch ended bad, others have ended good. This is mine, one of so many

Welcome back. Wishing you and all to be well always.

--Lee

--
Everybody Loves Our Buns

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* Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)

Hi! Ward,

On 20 Apr 20 02:24, Dale Shipp wrote to you:

The Corona pandemic is real
Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

We know that it is real -- and thanks for sharing your story.

I'm glad you survived, mate. Thank you for the taking the time to document your struggle. Forget about lottery tickets since you used up all your luck, if you believe in anything of a 'luck' aspect of life.

Cheers,
Paul.

... [ THIS SPACE AVAILABLE FOR RENT ] --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

Paul,

I'm glad you survived, mate. Thank you for the taking the time to
document your struggle. Forget about lottery tickets since you used up
all your luck, if you believe in anything of a 'luck' aspect of life.

Maybe it's Russian roulette.

I have not the slightest clue where I might have caught it.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 4
* Origin: If you build it he will come (2:292/854)

Hi! Ward,

On 21 Apr 20 14:23, you wrote to me:

Maybe it's Russian roulette.

More like casino Blackjack, with multiple-stacked packs doling-out a constant stream of random card picks.

I have not the slightest clue where I might have caught it.

Your intake valves meeting with a single/bunch of random glubule/s, during an inhale... or other form of input.

Cheers,
Paul.

... Here I am! Now what were your other two wishes?
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

Hi Ward,

Thank you so much for sharing your story with all of us, and I am also so glad that you were able to beat the beast.

We hope all in your family continue to do well.

Thanks again,
Janis

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)

Hello Ward!

20 Apr 20 00:17, FidoNews Robot wrote to all:

=================================================================
GENERAL ARTICLES =================================================================

The Corona pandemic is real
Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

Glad you are better my friend. I was saying prayers for you to get better.


Jeff


--- Mystic v1.12 A46 (2020/04/11) GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: The OuijaBoard BBS - bbs.ouijabrd.net (1:282/1031)

Hello Ward,

I'm glad you survived, mate. Thank you for the taking the time to
document your struggle. Forget about lottery tickets since you used up
all your luck, if you believe in anything of a 'luck' aspect of life.

Maybe it's Russian roulette.

Belgian noses are fully loaded, unlike Russian noses.

I have not the slightest clue where I might have caught it.

Well, unless you took a trip to Russia ...

--Lee

--
We're Great In Bed

--- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
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Hello Janis,

Thank you so much for sharing your story with all of us, and I am also so glad that you were able to beat the beast.

Stories. Our president tells stories. Ward wrote an article
of a very unpleasant experience that nobody in the entire world
should have to go through. Including your dear president.

We hope all in your family continue to do well.

Unlike so many others, Ward survived. But at what cost?
I would hate to see the x-rays of his lungs. Or rather what
is left of his lungs. And so many other parts of his body
that were also affected.

I do pray for us. Not just for Ward, but for all.

--Lee

--
We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

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Hello Jeff,

The Corona pandemic is real
Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

Glad you are better my friend. I was saying prayers for you to get

better.

Chris Cuomo had a mild form of COVID-19. He publicly showed
the x-rays of his chest on live television for all to see.
What a mess. And he is a non-smoker, much younger than Ward.

We should pray for all who are suffering, as well as those
who have recovered or recovering. Nobody should have to go
through this. Nobody.

And then there are the families/others who have lost loved ones.
They too are suffering. Even the strangers in our midst. We
should pray for them all. Including those on life row, awaiting
their date with destiny.

Those in our nursing homes.
Those in our prisons.
Those in our insane asylums.
Those in our homeless shelters.
Those who have no place to go ...

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Lee,

Unlike so many others, Ward survived. But at what cost?
I would hate to see the x-rays of his lungs. Or rather what
is left of his lungs. And so many other parts of his body
that were also affected.

There is irrepearable damage to the lungs. Do not need a doctor to tell me that. I can feel it.

The rest is pretty good, the heart was checked, legionella, things ... so my side-effect is that I will never will be able to breathe enough to run the 100m in 10.0s.

But I've been way luckier than others.

One thing though ... I notice a smoker from a way bigger distance now.

Stay safe y'all.

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Hello Ward,

Unlike so many others, Ward survived. But at what cost?
I would hate to see the x-rays of his lungs. Or rather what
is left of his lungs. And so many other parts of his body
that were also affected.

There is irrepearable damage to the lungs. Do not need a doctor to tell

me

that. I can feel it.

Health care professionals say it takes 16 years for a smoker's
lungs to clear up after he/she quits. How much lungs recover for
COVID-19 survivors remains an unknown. Estimates are 20% to 30%
loss of lung capacity due to COVID-19 based on what I could find
on the web. Have no idea as to how accurate that might be.

The rest is pretty good, the heart was checked, legionella, things ... so

my

side-effect is that I will never will be able to breathe enough to run

the

100m in 10.0s.

Seasonal flu recovery rates are estimated at 97% to 99%.
But COVID-19 is not the seasonal flu ...

But I've been way luckier than others.

Unless it becomes reactivated and you have to do it all over again.

One thing though ... I notice a smoker from a way bigger distance now.

Don't look at me. Gave those things up last century.
But still have to put up with second hand smoke. Nasty shit.

Stay safe y'all.

Never ya'll. Roy Witt taught us that. :)

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Hi Lee,

I do pray for us. Not just for Ward, but for all.

Same here...

I called my older sister in Fla. about a month ago when news of this virus first hit "the news". She's a die-hard repubican, trump-stumper... and she said to me, "It is JUST a flu... This is all baloney". I let her rant and rave, then I just hung up the phone. There was no point in trying to warn her.

I see now on Facebook she's changed her pic to be one of her wearing a mask with the phrase, "Stay Home, Save Lives, Quaranteam".. so I guess she finally "understands". I sure hope so <sigh>

Take care,
Janis

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On 04-23-20 15:13, Ward Dossche wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

There is irrepearable damage to the lungs. Do not need a doctor to tell
me that. I can feel it.

Yeah that has been reported online in a number of places. Good thing you survived it.

The rest is pretty good, the heart was checked, legionella, things ...
so my side-effect is that I will never will be able to breathe enough
to run the 100m in 10.0s.

Hmm, probably not, but definitely forget the 50 second 400m. ;)


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"It is JUST a flu... This is all baloney". I let her rant and rave,
then I just hung up the phone. There was no point in trying to warn her.

Stories like that really saddens me. Joe Orange surely has managed to divide the formerly so united US people.



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"It is JUST a flu... This is all baloney". I let her rant and rave,
then I just hung up the phone. There was no point in trying to warn her.

Stories like that really saddens me. Joe Orange surely has managed to divide the formerly so united US people.

Sadder still are the idiots who "drink the koolaid"... :(

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Sadder still are the idiots who "drink the koolaid"... :(

True. Jim Jones' spirit lives on... :(



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Hey Janis,
Nice to see you around.

Alan on PEI

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Hi Alan,

Hey Janis,
Nice to see you around.

Good to hear from you as well Alan :)

Take care,
Janis

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Sadder still are the idiots who "drink the koolaid"... :(

True. Jim Jones' spirit lives on... :(

People like my sister who are Trump followers are very much like Jim Jones' people... though Jim Jones intended to kill all those people rather than be jailed.

I see Trump (think it was last night) suggested injecting bleach or Lysol (household cleaner) would be useful to kill Covid.. uncanny.

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On 24 Apr 2020, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

Stories like that really saddens me. Joe Orange surely has managed to divide the formerly so united US people.

That was Newt Gingrich's doing. Trump just puts a much more public face to it.

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Hello Janis,

Sadder still are the idiots who "drink the koolaid"... :(

True. Jim Jones' spirit lives on... :(

People like my sister who are Trump followers are very much like Jim

Jones'

people... though Jim Jones intended to kill all those people rather than be jailed.

Jim Jones thought he could get away with it. Had his bags all
packed and ready to go. But somebody shot him dead before he could
make it out of the jungle.

Ditto with David Koresh. No Kool-Aid for him, either. Just a single
shot of lead, right between the eyes.

None of these death cult leaders ever makes the ultimate sacrifice
themselves. So why do folks keep listening and obeying their every
command?

I do not believe Donald Trump intends to kill anyone. He is just
a grifter. Nothing more. A two-bit grifter. Same with his son in
law and idiot children.

I do not place my trust in folks like that. But many people
have been bamboozled to believe in him as if he is their lord
and savior. A true cult figure to love and behold.

I see Trump (think it was last night) suggested injecting bleach or Lysol (household cleaner) would be useful to kill Covid.. uncanny.

Trump was being serious when he made those remarks. Nothing
"sarcastic" about anything he said. He honestly believes what
he says in public is the gospel truth. And his followers eat
it all up, believing every word he says.

While I found his remarks goofball for a president to say,
not everyone was caught off-guard.

The Onion magazine predicted it almost a month ago, on 3/25/2020.
I posted the excerpt in an earlier message.

I hope the American people have sense enough to elect somebody
who is competent this coming November.

--Lee

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Hello Richard,

Stories like that really saddens me. Joe Orange surely has managed BF>to

divide the formerly so united US people.

That was Newt Gingrich's doing. Trump just puts a much more public face

to

it.

I liked Newt better when he was a history prof in New Orleans.
His novels are kind of fun to read, having read two of them.
While in Congress, he represented a district just outside of
Atlanta, Georgia. A Republican stronghold for decades, an
unknown Democrat won it last election. Gonna be fun watching
Georgia turn blue, washing out a sea of red ...

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Hi Lee,

[...]

None of these death cult leaders ever makes the ultimate sacrifice themselves.

Of course not...

So why do folks keep listening and obeying their every
command?

If I knew the answer to that, I'd probably be famous. Perhaps people like my sister surround themselves with like-minded people so they never have to question their instincts/opinions? All that confirmation day in, day out... what else can you expect. All I know is we grew up in the same house, and there our similarities end. I read a lot. She didn't. We are as opposite as can be.

Then you can look at people like P.T. Barnaum.. "A fool and his money are soon parted"... "there's a sucker in every crowd"... and so on.

I do not believe Donald Trump intends to kill anyone. He is just
a grifter. Nothing more. A two-bit grifter. Same with his son in
law and idiot children.

Yes, what a bunch.

I do not place my trust in folks like that. But many people
have been bamboozled to believe in him as if he is their lord
and savior. A true cult figure to love and behold.

eek <g>

I see Trump (think it was last night) suggested injecting bleach or Lysol
(household cleaner) would be useful to kill Covid.. uncanny.

Trump was being serious when he made those remarks. Nothing
"sarcastic" about anything he said. He honestly believes what
he says in public is the gospel truth. And his followers eat
it all up, believing every word he says.

Dangerously so, at least for some of them. Like the fellow you mentioned in the article in The Onion below.

The Onion magazine predicted it almost a month ago, on 3/25/2020.
I posted the excerpt in an earlier message.

I hope the American people have sense enough to elect somebody
who is competent this coming November.

I hope the same... for our own survival.

Take care,
Janis

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Trump was being serious when he made those remarks. Nothing
"sarcastic" about anything he said. He honestly believes what
he says in public is the gospel truth. And his followers eat
it all up, believing every word he says.

Dangerously so, at least for some of them. Like the fellow you
mentioned in the article in The Onion below.

"Stupid is as stupid does." Gump rhymes with Trump... 8-)



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On 25 Apr 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

I liked Newt better when he was a history prof in New Orleans.
His novels are kind of fun to read, having read two of them.
While in Congress, he represented a district just outside of

He was a history Professor here as well, was already in office by the time I started at West Ga College. I was never a big fan of his.

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Re: FidoNews 37:16 [02/08]: General Articles
By: Bj”rn Felten to Janis Kracht on Sat Apr 25 2020 08:38:30

"Stupid is as stupid does." Gump rhymes with Trump... 8-)

ever looked up the etymology of the word "trump"? the 2nd verb usage is telling ;)


trump (n.1)

"playing card of a suit ranking above others," 1520s, alteration of triumph (n.), which also was the name of a card game.


trump (n.2)

"trumpet," c. 1300, from Old French trompe "long, tube-like musical wind instrument" (12c.), cognate with Provençal tromba, Italian tromba, all probably from a Germanic source (compare Old High German trumpa, Old Norse trumba "trumpet"), of imitative origin.


trump (v.1)

"surpass, beat," 1580s, from trump (n.). Related: Trumped; trumping.


trump (v.2)

"fabricate, devise," 1690s, from trump "deceive, cheat" (1510s), from Middle English trumpen (late 14c.), from Old French tromper "to deceive," of uncertain origin. Apparently from se tromper de "to mock," from Old French tromper "to blow a trumpet." Brachet explains this as "to play the horn, alluding to quacks and mountebanks, who attracted the public by blowing a horn, and then cheated them into buying ...." The Hindley Old French dictionary has baillier la trompe "blow the trumpet" as "act the fool," and Donkin connects it rather to trombe "waterspout," on the notion of turning (someone) around. Connection with triumph also has been proposed. Related: Trumped; trumping. Trumped up "false, concocted" first recorded 1728.


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Jeff,

she finally "understands". I sure hope so <sigh>

I guess I am somewhere in the middle. The virus IS a serious thing and needs to be dealt with in a common sense manner. But I see some powers
that be (Be them political, business, or media) that try and deal with
the virus in ways that in the long run will result in a much more
negative effect that the virus alone.

Nothing will be achieved as long as the leadership in the USA continues to see this as a national matter and fails to realize this is a global thing requiring a global response.

"America first" is not going to cut it ... it's even the worst approach possible.

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

she finally "understands". I sure hope so <sigh>

I guess I am somewhere in the middle. The virus IS a serious thing and
needs to be dealt with in a common sense manner. But I see some powers
that be (Be them political, business, or media) that try and deal with
the virus in ways that in the long run will result in a much more
negative effect that the virus alone.

Btw, a note to Jeff: There _can't_ be anything more negative than death. Ask my first-responder relative in NYC who died from it at the age of 28.

Nothing will be achieved as long as the leadership in the USA continues to see
this as a national matter and fails to realize this is a global thing requirin
a global response.

I think that since NYC was a real hotspot early on picking up so much of the virus from it's ports of entry, airlines, trains, etc. etc., I could be wrong, but I think Gov. Cuomo knows that if the virus isn't seen as a global thing we are doomed. At least that is how he talks in his daily updates?

"America first" is not going to cut it ... it's even the worst approach possible.

Yes, that is true, it's the pits, just like Trump.

Stay well,
Janis

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Janis,

I think that since NYC was a real hotspot early on picking up so much of the virus from it's ports of entry, airlines, trains, etc. etc., I could
be wrong, but I think Gov. Cuomo knows that if the virus isn't seen as a global thing we are doomed.

Yes, Cuomo raised red flags early and plenty.

Now I have trouble talking to my Montana friends who remain convinced it is just a minor flu and all the rest propaganda. Of course, social distancing is the rule in Montana in a state that large with so few people living.

Yes, that is true, it's the pits, just like Trump.

Hopefully as a result of this pandemic and his bad handling, he won't be elected. I can't imagine after what happened that he still can get enough volume in the electoral college.

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Re: Re: FidoNews 37:16 [02/08]: General Articles
By: Ward Dossche to Janis Kracht on Wed Jun 10 2020 09:01:47

Now I have trouble talking to my Montana friends who remain convinced
it is just a minor flu and all the rest propaganda.

i gathered these Montana COVID stats from


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40 299423467b48e9ecf6

shortened: https://tinyurl.com/ARCGIS-COVID-19

Montana population: 1.069 million (2019)

COVID-19 Cases
18 deaths
485 recovered
53184 tested
72 hospitalized


after doing the above, i wanted to know the counties in Montana with cases... another search brought me this map on the same site as above...


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7c34f3412536439491adcc21 03421d4b

shortened: https://tinyurl.com/ARCGIS-Montana-COVID-19

56 counties
31 with reported cases

Top 3 # of Cases
168 cases, 4 new - Gallatin County
105 cases, 0 new - Yellowstone County (Billings, MO)
41 cases, 2 new - Big Horn County

Active Cases
26 cases - Big Horn County
12 cases - Gallatin County
9 cases - Yellowstone County (Billings, MO)
2 cases - Lewis and Clark County (Helena, MO)

Of course, social distancing is the rule in Montana in a state that
large with so few people living.

i suspect that being one of the main reasons for that line of thinking from your friends in Montana is not far from the truth...


FWIW: i kinda wonder what their stats are for the ""normal"" flu and how they compare to these for COVID-19...


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Ward Dossche wrote to Janis Kracht <=-

Yes, that is true, it's the pits, just like Trump.

Hopefully as a result of this pandemic and his bad handling, he
won't be elected. I can't imagine after what happened that he
still can get enough volume in the electoral college.

Four years ago, Killary couldn't imagine it, either.

NEWSFLASH: The Wuhan Virus is/was not Trump's fault, regardless
of how many times the libtards say it is. Therefore, why would it
be held against him at election time?

When you look at who he's running against, how could he *NOT* be
re-elected? LOL



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Dan Clough wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

Hopefully as a result of this pandemic and his bad handling, he
won't be elected. I can't imagine after what happened that he
still can get enough volume in the electoral college.

NEWSFLASH: The Wuhan Virus is/was not Trump's fault, regardless
of how many times the libtards say it is. Therefore, why would it
be held against him at election time?

I don't know if you were attempting a straw man argument or misread Ward's quoted bit there. I read it as "his bad handling of the pandemic". If the former, then creating a straw man and responding with an insulting nickname isn't going to get your point across very effectively.

If you re-read it as I characterized it in the above paragraph, do you agree that people could have issues with Trump's handling of the pandemic response that could affect their vote in November? Especially if we see a surge in
the fall, as many medical experts are expecting.

NEWSFLASH: Most reasonable people refer to the virus as "Covid-19", or colloquially as Coronavirus. The only people I've heard call it the "Wuhan Virus" were trying to deflect from their performance in managing the
pandemic.







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Hello Janis,

she finally "understands". I sure hope so <sigh>

I guess I am somewhere in the middle. The virus IS a serious thing and
needs to be dealt with in a common sense manner. But I see some powers
that be (Be them political, business, or media) that try and deal with
the virus in ways that in the long run will result in a much more
negative effect that the virus alone.

Btw, a note to Jeff: There _can't_ be anything more negative than

death.

Ask my first-responder relative in NYC who died from it at the age of 28.

My condolensces for your friend (to his/her family/friends and
all who knew him/her). We have all lost someone we know due to the
coronavirus. Some have lost family, or relatives. However, there is
something more negative than death. One could be Bill Murray stuck
in a version of Groundhog Day, coming back time after time after
time to relive the history we are currently living under Trump.

Nothing will be achieved as long as the leadership in the USA continues to
see
this as a national matter and fails to realize this is a global thing
requirin
a global response.

I think that since NYC was a real hotspot early on picking up so much of

the

virus from it's ports of entry, airlines, trains, etc. etc., I could be wrong, but I think Gov. Cuomo knows that if the virus isn't seen as a global thing we are doomed. At least that is how he talks in his daily updates?

We reached two million cases today. With just under five months to
go until the presidential election, I fully expect that number to go
higher. Much higher. Despite anything and everything a governor does
or might do. Trump has no plan, but simply reacts to whatever happens.
That is not a way to win a war of any kind. Especially against an
enemy that takes no prisoners.

"America first" is not going to cut it ... it's even the worst approach
possible.

Yes, that is true, it's the pits, just like Trump.

The US currently has 28% of all the coronavirus cases in the world.
Easily outpacing all other countries, thus cementing its grip on #1
status.

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Hello Ward,

I think that since NYC was a real hotspot early on picking up so much of
the virus from it's ports of entry, airlines, trains, etc. etc., I could
be wrong, but I think Gov. Cuomo knows that if the virus isn't seen as
global thing we are doomed.

Yes, Cuomo raised red flags early and plenty.

The number of cases in NYC is finally dropping. But the number
of cases for the rest of the state are climbing.

Now I have trouble talking to my Montana friends who remain convinced it

is

just a minor flu and all the rest propaganda. Of course, social

distancing

is the rule in Montana in a state that large with so few people living.

Two million cases. A new milestone reached today. Won't take long
before we hit three million cases. Imagine that. The USA, having 28%
of the world's coronavirus cases. That is a lot of sick people.

Yes, that is true, it's the pits, just like Trump.

Hopefully as a result of this pandemic and his bad handling, he won't be elected. I can't imagine after what happened that he still can get enough volume in the electoral college.

Make America Great! That is Trump's motto for winning a second
term! And what a great start it is today, with America reaching
the magic number of 2 million coronavirus cases! With with just
under 150 days to go before the presidential election, we just
might hit the 3 million cases mark in time! With the huge number
of Biden supporters dropping like flies, Trump just might pull
if off! Might even win by default!

Donald Trump is invincible. Truly invincible. The guy never gets
sick, even while everybody around him has to go into self-quarantine.
Even his sidekick Mike Pence had to take himself out. It would not
surprise me if his opponent Joe Biden, who always wears a mask in
public, decides to hang it up and declare the election no contest.

Being a Belgian, you just do not understand the mentality of
Americans. We expect our dear leader to be strong and powerful,
and do not care so much about whatever brights he might have.
You should have learned that in 2016 when the smartest woman in
the world got trounced by the orange menace.

Meanwhile, the number of white Catholics supporting Trump has
dropped to 37% (poll from Public Religion on Research Institute,
last week of May). Not that it matters, since 41% of black voters
love him to death (according to World News Daily).

Trump can still win a second term, even with only 20% of the
popular vote. That is due to the archaic electoral college system
that remains in place. It is more of a process than an election.
Kinda screwy by European standards. But then, it is the British
who taught us how to do things. So as a Belgian, you are excused.

Make Belgium Great Again
--Lee

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Hopefully as a result of this pandemic and his bad handling, he
won't be elected. I can't imagine after what happened that he
still can get enough volume in the electoral college.

NEWSFLASH: The Wuhan Virus is/was not Trump's fault, regardless
of how many times the libtards say it is. Therefore, why would it
be held against him at election time?

I don't know if you were attempting a straw man argument or
misread Ward's quoted bit there. I read it as "his bad handling
of the pandemic".

No strawman attempt, nor misreading. You didn't read it correctly
if that's what you got. I'll tell you why:

He (Ward) didn't say "his bad handling of the pandemic". What
he did say was that he didn't see Trump being (re)elected as a
result of this pandemic *AND* his bad handling of it. That's two
separate things that he referred to. Obviously the second one
(the handling of it) is something that some folks think Trump
should have done better with. What's not quite so obvious is the
*inferred* fault being put on Trump for the pandemic itself. It's
right there in what was said, pretty straightforward English.

If you re-read it as I characterized it in the above paragraph,
do you agree that people could have issues with Trump's handling
of the pandemic response that could affect their vote in
November? Especially if we see a surge in the fall, as many
medical experts are expecting.

Sure, I'm positive that people have issues with how Trump has
handled the response. No doubt about that. The actual question
though is "should they" (have issues)? What's unclear to me is
what folks think should have been done differently. As a matter
of fact, Trump was *soundly* criticized for cutting travel to/from
China, and then Europe, as early as he did. Remember? Lots of
people said that was an over-reaction. So which is it? It's a
case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

If he had acted even more quickly or aggessively, do you doubt
that the Left would have started screaming that he was over
stepping his authority and trying to be "a dictator"?

NEWSFLASH: Most reasonable people refer to the virus as
"Covid-19", or colloquially as Coronavirus. The only people I've
heard call it the "Wuhan Virus" were trying to deflect from their performance in managing the pandemic.

Yep, no argument there, a poor word choice on my part.

Personally, my belief is that if there is blame to be placed on
the handling of things, first look at the Governors of states.


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