Hi, All!

A Russian man (muzhik) thought out what to do to preserve his tomatoes, he grew at his dacha, from thieves. And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
Next day he sees an addition: "Now there are two".

Bye, All!
Alexander Koryagin

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Alexander Koryagin <0@6.221.2> once wrote:

A Russian man (muzhik) thought out what to do to preserve his tomatoes,
he grew at his dacha, from thieves.

I believe the punctuation is not well here. 2 commas too many. :-)
May I put it that way so that it would look more "digestible"?

"Russian datchnik contrived how to protect his tomatoes from theft"

And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

"He posted the following announcement on his fence:"

"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"

Next day he sees an addition: "Now there are two".

"Next day he saw a line was added"

All in all, seems like a true story though. :-)


....Fri, 24 Nov 2023 11:17:06 +0400

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Hi, Gleb Hlebov! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 24.11.2023 08:34

A Russianman (muzhik) thoought out what to do to preserve his
tomatoes,he grew at his ddacha, from thievs..

ak I beliee the punctuatioon is not well here. 2 commas too
many. :-)

You, IMHO, just to used to reading social networks where people don't use commas at all. :) But, according the rules, an additional information which is not essential for understanding is marked by commas.
Well, I also often ignore this rule. ;)

May I put t that way so thhat it would look more "digestible"?
"Russian dtchnik contrivedd how to protect his tomatoes from theft"

Well, digestion depends on food habits. ;) And, BTW, where have you found "datchnik" in English dictionaries?

And he wrte on his fence this announcement:

"He postedthe following annnouncement on his fence: "

Well, but IMHO people write words on the fences, not post them. ;-)

"One of m tomatoes is poiisoned!" Next day he sees an
addition: "Now there are two".

"Next day he saw a line was added"

"Next day he saw a line had been added" ;)

All in all seems like a trrue story though. --)

"it seems"?

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Hello, Alexander!

On �� 24.11.23 14:55, Alexander Koryagin (2:221/6) wrote me:

A Russianman (muzhik) thoought out what to do to preserve his
tomatoes,he grew at his ddacha, from thievs..

ak I beliee the punctuatioon is not well here. 2 commas too
many. :-)

You, IMHO, just to used to reading social networks where people don't
use commas at all. :)

Well... I remember now, that long ago, you expressed dissatisfaction with my one-line replies to your posts. So I have reconsidered my approach to written conversations. :-)

"You're used to reading smth" or "you used to read" -- those are different things. Decide which is more appropriate here.

===
*1* I used to / I didn't use to

First, we can say, "I used to" when talking about things that we did frequently in the past but we don't do today.
For example, I used to take piano lessons when I was a child. I took piano lessons. But nowadays I don't take piano lessons, so I can say, "I used to take piano lessons."

*2* I'm used to / I'm not used to

Now, we also have the expressions "I'm used to" and "I'm not used to." These are different. These are used for talking about customs, things that you are accustomed to doing.
For example, here in Russia, I was born in the Russia, I'm used to driving on the right side of the road. In England they drive on the left, so I'm used to driving on the right side of the road and I'm not used to driving on the left side of the road, because my custom is to drive on the right.
===

"You're too used to reading(?) social networks..."
Well, actually I'm not. If I was spending a lot of time in social networks I wouldn't have had time to correspond with you & others in fidonet. Obviously, I prefer the latter though.

But, according the rules, an additional information which is not
essential for understanding is marked by commas. Well, I also often
ignore this rule. ;)

The thing is, in English puctuation rules are different than in Russian, sometimes way different. You sure may have to use commas in this case if you write it down in Russian (according to its rules), but in English I don't think so. Anyway, that was my guess.

May I put t that way so thhat it would look more "digestible"?

BTW what is going on with your quoting? Are you experimenting again? :-)

"Russian dtchnik contrivedd how to protect his tomatoes from
theft"

Well, digestion depends on food habits. ;) And, BTW, where have you
found "datchnik" in English dictionaries?

Who needs dictionaries? Let's keep up with the latest trends and consult with...

Yes!

ChatGPT.

===
Q: Can you explain the word "datchnik" to me?
A: "Datchnik" is a Russian word that refers to a person who owns or has access to a dacha, which is a country house or cottage in Russia and other countries in the former Soviet Union. The term "datchnik" is often used to describe someone who spends time at their dacha during weekends or holidays, enjoying the countryside and outdoor activities. It can also be used more broadly to refer to someone who is associated with the dacha culture in general.
===

Nonetheless you have no second thoughts about "muzhik"? :-)
I don't find it quite acceptable, because it's supposed to be similar in meaning to "hillbilly" or "redneck", probably? We need native speakers' expertise on this.

And he wrte on his fence this announcement:

"He postedthe following annnouncement on his fence: "

Well, but IMHO people write words on the fences, not post them. ;-)

Okay, if he would write it with paint you're right. But he might as well print it on a sheet of paper and glue it up on the fence, because it's got to be "an official announcement". We all know what's being written on fences. :-)

"One of m tomatoes is poiisoned!" Next day he sees an
addition: "Now there are two".

"Next day he saw a line was added"

"Next day he saw a line had been added" ;)

Yep, yours seems more correct.

All in all seems like a trrue story though. --)

"it seems"?

You can say both ways. AFAIK "it" is often omitted in casual conversations.


Regards, | �� 24.11.23, 00:54
Gleb
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Hi, Gleb Hlebov - Alexander Koryagin!
I read your message from 24.11.2023 21:56

A Russinman (muzhik) thhoought out what to do to preserve his
tomatoe, he grew at hiss ddacha, from thievs..

ak I belee the punctuatiioon is not well here. 2 commas too
many. :-)

You, IMHO just to used too reading social networks where people
don't use commas at all. :)

Well... I emember now, thaat long ago, you expressed
dissatisfation with my onee-line replies to your posts. So I have reconsiderd my approach too written conversations. :-)

"You're usd to reading smtth" or "you used to read" -- those are
different hings. Decide whhich is more appropriate here.

===

*1* I used to / I didn't use to

First, we an say, "I used to" when talking about things that we
did frequetly in the past but we don't do today.

<skipped>

I meant the first variant from here: https://www.really-learn-english.com/used-to-infinitive-gerund.html

"You're to used to readingg(?) social networks..." Well, actually
I'm not. I I was spending a lot of time in social networks I
wouldn't hve had time to ccorrespond with you & others in fidonet. Obviously, I prefer the latter though.

Fido doesn't not take much time, does it? Well, sometimes we have a lot of work at our jobs. I have it now.

But, accoding the rules, an additional information which is not
essentialfor understandinng is marked by commas. Well, I also
often ignore this rule. ;)

The thing s, in English puuctuation rules are different than in
Russian, smetimes way diffferent. You sure may have to use commas
in this cae if you write iit down in Russian (according to its
rules), bu in English I doon't think so. Anyway, that was my guess.

I read about it in times when I was interested in English punctuation.

May I pu t that way so tthhat it would look more "digestible"?

BTW what i going on with yyour quoting? Are you experimenting
again? :-)

My quoting was perfect when I sent my message. Maybe your soft also tries something to do wrongly with my quoting?
https://i.ibb.co/n1bzxxh/fido.jpg

"Russiandtchnik contriveedd how to protect his tomatoes from
theft"

Well, digstion depends onn food habits. ;) And, BTW, where have
you found"datchnik" in Ennglish dictionaris??

Who needs ictionaries? Lett's keep up with the latest trends and
consult with...

Yes!
ChatGPT.

===

Q: Can youexplain the wordd "datchnik" to me? A: "Datchnik" is a
Russian wod that refers too a person who owns or has access to a
dacha, whih is a country hhouse or cottage in Russia and other
countries n the former Sovviet Union. The term "datchnik" is often
used to decribe someone whho spends time at their dacha during
weekends o holidays, enjoyying the countryside and outdoor
activities It can also be used more broadly to refer to someone
who is assciated with the dacha culture in general.

===

ChatGPT is right -- indeed you cannot find this word in English dictionary.

Nonetheles you have no seccond thoughts about "muzhik"? :-) I don't
find it qute acceptable, bbecause it's supposed to be similar in
meaning to"hillbilly" or ""redneck", probably? We need native
speakers' expertise on this.

In my message "muzhik" was after its English definition. Just for fun. ....A Russian man (muzhik)...

And he rote on his fencce this announcemett:

"He postd the following annnouncement on his fence: "

Well, butIMHO people writte words on the fences, not post
them. ;-)

Okay, if h would write it with paint you're right. But he might as
well printit on a sheet off paper and glue it up on the fence,
because its got to be "an official announcement". We all know
what's being written on fences. :-)

"One ofm tomatoes is pooiisoned!" Next day he sees an
addition: "Now there are two".

"Next day he saw a line was added"

"Next dayhe saw a line haad been added" ;)

Your soft distorts the text. For instance, in my original message there was: -----Beginning of the citation-----
"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
A Russian man (muzhik) thought out what to do
----- The end of the citation -----

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Hello, Alexander!

Recently (or not so), Alexander Koryagin wrote to me:

Your soft distorts the text. For instance, in my original message
there was:
-----Beginning of the citation-----
"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
A Russian man (muzhik) thought out what to do
----- The end of the citation -----

This is highly unlikely, I'm using the same old package of binkd+hpt+ged just like your average fidonet point does, nothing exotic. I don't remember seeing qoutes that had been mangled in such a way. Could be some glitches in codepage translation on your end? Next day I'll do double-checking at work, to see if it looks any different in the news reader.


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Hello, Alexander!

The other day Alexander Koryagin (2:221/6) wrote to me:

Your soft distorts the text. For instance, in my original message
there was:
-----Beginning of the citation-----
"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
A Russian man (muzhik) thought out what to do
----- The end of the citation -----

I checked the messages I posted recently via 2:221/1 & /6 and the replies from you, and it appears that either
a) they're getting corrupted on your end before reaching the newsgate, or
b) the newsgate is somehow mangling the quoted text.
I have no idea why it only occurs when YOU reply to ME though. This kind of software misbehaving is new to me. Codepage translation might seem to be the case -- not in the first instance, however.

Do you happen to use any third-party apps for message quoting (which I remember you did in the past)?

Original:

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From: Gleb Hlebov - All <0@6.221.2>
To: All
Subject: test
[...]
X-SMAPI-Control: @CHRS: LATIN-1 2

^^^^^^^^^

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello,
just testing the area.
I don't see the messages posted from my fidonet AKA
in some recent days .
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Reply:

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From: Alexander Koryagin - Gleb Hlebov <0@6.221.2>
To: Gleb Hlebov
Subject: test
[...]
X-SMAPI-Control: @CHRS: LATIN-1 2

^^^^^^^^^

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello,
just testing the area.
I don't se the messages poosted from my fidonet AKA
in some recent days .

I see you.
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Original (quoted):

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From: Gleb Hlebov - Alexander Koryagin <0@1.221.2>
To: Alexander Koryagin
Subject: Funny story about Russians
[...]
X-SMAPI-Control: @CHRS: CP437 2

^^^^^^^

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A Russian man (muzhik) thought out what to do to preserve his tomatoes,
he grew at his dacha, from thieves.

"Russian datchnik contrived how to protect his tomatoes from theft"

And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

"He posted the following announcement on his fence:"
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Reply:

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From: Alexander Koryagin - Gleb Hlebov <0@6.221.2>
To: Gleb Hlebov
Subject: Funny story about Russians
[...]
X-SMAPI-Control: @CHRS: LATIN-1 2

^^^^^^^^^

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A Russianman (muzhik) thoought out what to do to preserve his
tomatoes,he grew at his ddacha, from thievs..

"Russian dtchnik contrivedd how to protect his tomatoes from theft"

And he wrte on his fence this announcement:

"He postedthe following annnouncement on his fence: "

Well, but IMHO people write words on the fences, not post them. ;-) ============

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Hello Alexander,

On 27.11.23, 16:13, Alexander Koryagin (2:221/6) wrote to me:

<skipped>
I meant the first variant from here: https://www.really-learn-english.com/used-to-infinitive-gerund.html

I see.

I'm not. I I was spending a lot of time in social networks I
wouldn't hve had time to ccorrespond with you & others in
fidonet. Obviously, I prefer the latter though.

Fido doesn't not take much time, does it? Well, sometimes we have a
lot of work at our jobs. I have it now.

I takes a lot of time actually.
Composing a message takes up to 15-20 min. on the average, because it's not your despicable nonsensical one-liner twits or witless youtube comments. The whole approach is different when you have to put it properly (to transfer thought into words?) so that "the interlocutor" would understand exactly what you intend to say.
At the moment I can do it at work, as the job tasks are not so time-consuming, luckily :-)

The thing s, in English puuctuation rules are different than in
Russian, smetimes way diffferent. You sure may have to use commas
in this cae if you write iit down in Russian (according to its
rules), bu in English I doon't think so. Anyway, that was my
guess.

I read about it in times when I was interested in English punctuation.

You mean that now you're not interested? :-)

Who needs ictionaries? Lett's keep up with the latest trends and
consult with... Yes! ChatGPT.

ChatGPT is right -- indeed you cannot find this word in English dictionary.

Does it matter?
Languages tend to progress and develop. Dictionaries just don't catch up with the current state.
Equally, there are no words "devotchka" or "khorosho" in English dicts as well, but that didn't stop A. Burgess from employing them for his brilliant novel.
https://www.rbth.com/education/326453-russia-words-from-clockwork-orange

Just for the sake of it, I looked up for "dacha" at dictionary.com and it's there:
========
noun
1. a Russian country house or villa.
========
So "dachnik"/"datchnik" could be there as well, as "the one who owns, works, grows crops at dacha", etc. -- it's obvious.

Nonetheles you have no seccond thoughts about "muzhik"? :-) I

In my message "muzhik" was after its English definition. Just for fun. ....A Russian man (muzhik)...

It's like saying "a US West-coast guy (dude). Might look ridiculous to some. :-)


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Hi, Gleb Hlebov - Alexander Koryagin!
I read your message from 28.11.2023 09:16

Your softdistorts the texxt. For instance, in my original
message there was:
-----Beginning of the citation-----
"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
A Russianman (muzhik) thoought out what todoo
----- The end of the citation -----

I checked he messages I poosted recently via2:221/1 <mailto:Sysop@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.org>➔ <http://noehist.fidonet.orrg.ua/?address=2%3A221%2F1>
& /6 and te replies from yyou, and it appears that either
a) they'regetting corrupteed on your end before reaching the newsgate,
or b) the ewsgate is somehhow mangling the quoted text.

Some fidogates indeed try to make quoting for messages they send. For using such gates you should not quote you messages by yourself. However I must say that nobody have had any problems with my messages so far.

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:13:38, Alexander wrote:

A Russianman (muzhik) thoought out what todoo

[...]

I checked he messages I poosted recently via2:221/1 <mailto:Sysop@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.org>??? <http://noehist.fidonet.orrg.ua/?address=2%3A221%2F1>

Wait.
What the ...?
Those links absolutely shouldn't be there.

Some fidogates indeed try to make quoting for messages they send. For
using such gates you should not quote you messages by yourself.

Not sure I understand this. Who shouldn't quote who? And how the gate
is supposed to "quote" or in any way change the message?

However I must say that nobody have had any problems with my messages
so far.

The same with mine. No idea.

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Hi, Gleb Hlebov! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 29.11.2023 07:01

However must say that nnobody have had any problems
with my messages
so far.

The same with mine. No idea.

The idea is simple -- it is only your soft works badly with my quoting. ;-)

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Gleb Hlebov:

Who shouldn't quote who?

whom!

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Hello Alexander,

An entity in disguise of Alexander Koryagin (2:221/6) wrote to me:

However must say that nnobody have had any problems
with my messages
so far.

The same with mine. No idea.

The idea is simple -- it is only your soft works badly with my
quoting. ;-)

Check your latest reply to Ardith from Nov 28.
The same anomaly with quoting there.


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Hi, Gleb Hlebov! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 28.11.2023 11:48

<skipped>
I meant the first variant from here:
https://ww.really-learn-eenglish.com/used-to-infinitive-gerund.html

I see.

I'm not.I I was spendingg a lot of time in social networks I
wouldn'thve had time to ccorrespond with you & others in
fidonet.Obviously, I preefer the latter though.

Fido does't not take muchh time, does it? Well, sometimes we have
a lot of ork at our jobs.. I have it now.

I takes a ot of time actuaally. Composing a message takes up to 15-
20 min. onthe average, beccause it's not your despicable
nonsensica one-liner twitss or witless youtube comments. The whole approach i different when you have to put it properly (to transfer thought ino words?) so thaat "the interlocutor" would understand
exactly wht you intend to say. At the moment I can do it at work,
as the jobtasks are not soo time-consuming, luckily :-)

Fido messages in this sense are more noble than Twitter ones. ;-)

The thin s, in English ppuuctuation rules are different than in
Russian,smetimes way difffferent. You sure may have to use commas
in this ae if you write iit down in Russian (according to its
rules), u in English I ddoon't think so. Anyway, that was my
guess.

I read abut it in times wwhen I was interested in English
punctuation.

You mean tat now you're noot interested? :-)

There was time when I translated Russian books, to have practice and fun. I did it with help of good English friends of mine, of course, but I kept in my mind that I had to give them my texts in the most correct condition I was capable of. ;-)

Who need ictionaries? Leett's keep up with the latest trends and
consult with... Yes! ChatGPT.

ChatGPT i right -- indeedd you cannot find this word in English
dictionary.

Does it mater? Languages ttend to progress and develop.
Dictionaris just don't cattch up with the current state. Equally,
there are o words "devotchhka" or "khorosho" in English dicts as
well, but hat didn't stop A. Burgess from employing them for his brilliant novel.

https://www.rbth.com/education/326453-russia-words-from-clockwork-orange

I suspect he explained these words, nevertheless?

Just for te sake of it, I looked up for "dacha" at dictionary.com
and it's there:

========

noun 1. a Russian country house or villa.

========

So "dachni"/"datchnik" couuld be there as well, as "the one who
owns, work, grows crops att dacha", etc. -- it's obvious.

Nonethels you have no seeccond thoughts about "muzhik"? :-) I

In my mesage "muzhik" wass after its English definition. Just for
fun.....A Russian man (muzhik)...

It's like aying "a US Westt-coast guy (dude). Might look ridiculous
to some. :-)

Fun is a great thing. Even a little one.

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Hi, Gleb Hlebov! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 29.11.2023 09:10

Howeve must say that nnnobody have had any problems with my
messages
so far.

The same with mine. No idea.

The idea s simple -- it iis only your soft works badly with my
quoting. ;-)

Check yourlatest reply to Ardith from Nov 28. The same anomaly
with quoting there.

Yep, you are right, there are text distortions. I've made a conclusion that it is Tommi's gate should be blamed. I wrote a message to his test area.

Bye, Gleb!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Alexander Koryagin:

There was time when I translated Russian books, to have
practice and fun. I did it with help of good English
friends of mine, of course, but I kept in my mind that I
had to give them my texts in the most correct condition
I was capable of. ;-)

And I translated the demo-version of Star Heritage:

https://unbox.ifarchive.org/?url=/if-archive/games/spectrum/shdemo.zip

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Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to All:

A Russian man (muzhik)

According to my sources this word refers to a peasant... i.e. a term somebody Dallas & I knew years ago applied WRT those who live in the country & whom he thought to have limited education, intelligence, &/or knowledge of how things work in the Big City. But I understand it can also signify an ordinary adult male, and I reckon the latter is more like what you had in mind.... :-)

thought out what to do to preserve his
tomatoes, he grew at his

I see what you're trying to do with the punctuation... but "which he grew at his dacha" would make the sentence more clear AFAIC.

dacha,

Is this a permanent residence in the country, or is it essentially a summer cottage used only during the warmer times of the year? Maybe the local yokels wanted to prove they were smarter than he'd thought. I'm reminded here of one of my colleagues who got tired of having substitute teachers borrow his coffee cup & expect other folks to wash it. He attached a note saying "beware of syphilitic lip" while I used one with an ominously large crack in it. Both of us found we had no further problems under such circumstances... [wry grin].

from thieves. And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
Next day he sees an addition: "Now there are two".

| saw (verb tense agreement)


And whether or not either statement is true, nobody who values their life would risk eating a poisoned one... [chuckle].




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Hi, Anton Shepelev! -> Alexander Koryagin!
I read your message from 30.11.2023 13:29

There was time when I translated Russian books, to have
practice and fun. I did it with help of good English
friends of mine, of course, but I kept in my mind that I
had to give them my texts in the most correct condition
I was capable of. ;-)

And I translated the demo-version of Star Heritage:

https://unbox.ifarchive.org/?url=/if-archive/games/spectrum/shdemo.zip

Should I look for a Spectrum computer to appreciate it?

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Hello, Ardith!

Thu 30-11-2023 22:14, Ardith Hinton (1:153/716) wrote to Alexander Koryagin:

A Russian man (muzhik)

According to my sources this word refers to a peasant...
i.e. a term somebody Dallas & I knew years ago applied WRT those who
live in the country & whom he thought to have limited education, intelligence, &/or knowledge of how things work in the Big City.
But I understand it can also signify an ordinary adult male, and I
reckon the latter is more like what you had in mind.... :-)

That's correct. "M." is basically an archaic literary form to denote a "peasant" or a "rural farm laborer" type, that somehow seeped (and is persisting) into contemporary speech. Although it's a "very low" (fringe) register type of speech, and addressing in such a manner to a passer-by (or bypasser?) in the city's public places is considered rude and may not be tolerated by some. It still might be OK to use in some remote/rural regions of the country (which is a vast area).

It's also widely used in the Army, or amongst "drink mates" (within the context of alcoholics' socialisation & other fringe cultures).

"One of my tomatoes is poisoned!"
Next day he sees an addition: "Now there are two".

| saw (verb tense agreement)
And whether or not either statement is true, nobody who
values their life would risk eating a poisoned one... [chuckle].

It is a classical "the trick and the backlash" type of situation that isn't uncommon in Russian "modus vivendi", and thus, joke culture: if you think you've performed a smart move, then, expect something even smarter in return. :-)


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Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:

And I translated the demo-version of Star Heritage:

https://unbox.ifarchive.org/?url=/if-archive/games/spectrum/shdemo.zip

Should I look for a Spectrum computer to appreciate it?

Depends on your taste. Who knows but you might put up with
running the game in an emulator:-? My all-time favoirite
one is RealSpectrum:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080915070725/http://www.ramsoft.bbk.org/realspec.html

I run its DOS version under DOSBox with my pixel-perfect
patch for excellent graphics!

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Hello Alexander,

<Wed 29-11-2023 10:36> Alexander Koryagin <2:221/6> vs. me:

Fido does't not take muchh time, does it? Well, sometimes we
have a lot of ork at our jobs.. I have it now.

takes a ot of time actuaally. Composing a message takes up to
15- 20 min. onthe average, beccause it's not your despicable
nonsensica one-liner twitss or witless youtube comments.

Fido messages in this sense are more noble than Twitter ones. ;-)

"More noble?" It's a whole different universe, to say the least. :-)
As far as "nobility" is concerned, here's what the guy who owns it
(um... what's his name again, I keep forgetting) is saying in one of
his recent "tweets":

========
X is the only platform you can trust for honest information.
All the others are bought and paid for.
========

Not sure if you can put Fidonet among "all the others" though, or if
it even is a platform for anything.

ChatGPT i right -- indeedd you cannot find this word in English
dictionary.

Does it mater? Languages ttend to progress and develop.
Dictionaris just don't cattch up with the current state. Equally,
there are o words "devotchhka" or "khorosho" in English dicts as
well, but hat didn't stop A. Burgess from employing them for his
brilliant novel.

https://www.rbth.com/education/326453-russia-words-from-clockwork
-orange

I suspect he explained these words, nevertheless?

I believe he didn't.
Some reviewers and critics did it afterwards, as presented in the
linked article.

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The book, narrated by Alex, contains many words in a slang argot
which Burgess invented for the book, called Nadsat. It is a mix
of modified Slavic words, cockney rhyming slang and derived
Russian. [...] In the first edition of the book, no key was
provided, and the reader was left to interpret the meaning from
the context. (wikipedia.org)
========

Nonethels you have no seeccond thoughts about "muzhik"? :-) I

In my mesage "muzhik" wass after its English definition. Just
for fun.....A Russian man (muzhik)...

It's like aying "a US Westt-coast guy (dude). Might look
ridiculous to some. :-)

Fun is a great thing. Even a little one.

Absolutely. I happen to forget about it at times. (-:


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Hi, Ardith Hinton!
I read your message from 01.12.2023 01:14

According to my sources this word refers to a peasant... i.e. a term somebody Dallas & I knew years ago applied WRT those who live in the country & whom he thought to have limited education, intelligence, &
/or knowledge of how things work in the Big City. But I understand
it can also signify an ordinary adult male, and I reckon the latter
is more like what you had in mind.... :-)

Today informally we often use "muzhik" to denote a cool, strong man as an opposition to a modern weak, feminized one. Most often phrases are "he is a real muzhik!" or respectfully about a man who keeps his word: "Muzhik has said Muzhik has done!". :)

<skipped

And whether or not either statement is true, nobody who values their
life would risk eating a poisoned one... [chuckle].

Although it is just a joke story, I strongly believe. ;)

Bye, Ardith!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Hi, Anton Shepelev!
I read your message from 02.12.2023 20:42

And I translated the demo-version of Star Heritage:

https://unbox.ifarchive.org/?url=/if-archive/games/spectrum/shdemo.zip AK>> Should I look for a Spectrum computer to appreciate it?

Depends on your taste. Who knows but you might put up with running
the game in an emulator: -? My all-time favoirite one is
RealSpectrum:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080915070725/http://www.ramsoft.bbk.org/realspec.html

I run its DOS version under DOSBox with my pixel-perfect patch for excellent graphics!

Probably, I am already out from playing games pastime. Sometimes I play GP2 however, because I use it as a measurement instrument of my vital tonus. ;-)

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2023

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Alexander Koryagin:

Today informally we often use "muzhik" to denote a cool,
strong man as an opposition to a modern weak, feminized
one

Yes, `effeminate' even.

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Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Gleb Hlebov:

And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

He posted the following annnouncement on his fence:

Well, but IMHO people write words on the fences, not
post them. ;-)

Depends on what the fence was made of. I think Gleb has a point in that this announcement may have been written on a scrap of cardboard which the protagonist attached to the fence using whatever came readily to hand.... :-)




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Hi Ardith,

16.02.2024 1:26:34, Ardith Hinton wrote:

And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

He posted the following annnouncement on his fence:

Well, but IMHO people write words on the fences, not
post them. ;-)

Depends on what the fence was made of. I think Gleb has a
point in that this announcement may have been written on a scrap of
cardboard which the protagonist attached to the fence using whatever
came readily to hand.... :-)

'The protagonist'. I like the word.
Yes, it could be a sheet of cardboard attached to a metal/wooden fence
with duct tape, or our protagonist might as well write it in 2-feet
tall letters with white paint, which is unlikely (but not unexpected).


--
Rudin's Law: In a crisis that forces a choice to be made among
alternative courses of action, people tend to choose the worst
possible course.

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Hi, Ardith Hinton!
I read your message from 16.02.2024 00:26

And he wrote on his fence this announcement:

He posted the following annnouncement on his fence:

Well, but IMHO people write words on the fences, not post
them. ;-)

Depends on what the fence was made of. I think Gleb has a point in
that this announcement may have been written on a scrap of
cardboard which the protagonist attached to the fence using
whatever came readily to hand.... :-)

IMHO when you say "to post" it implies the mail service. Give me an example if I am wrong. At the very least the man could nail his message. :)

Bye, Ardith!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2024

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Depends on what the fence was made of. I think Gleb has a point in
that this announcement may have been written on a scrap of
cardboard which the protagonist attached to the fence using
whatever came readily to hand.... :-)

IMHO when you say "to post" it implies the mail service. Give me an example if
am wrong. At the very least the man could nail his message. :)

It can mean that. I think that meaning is more often used in British
English than here in America.

It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin board,
wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a for sale flyer
on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the lost pet flyers to
several phone poles in the neighborhood."


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Hi Mike,

20.02.2024 15:45:00, Mike Powell wrote:

It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin
board, wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a for
sale flyer on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the lost
pet flyers to several phone poles in the neighborhood."

Always good to see some more sunscribers here.
Keep us posted Mike!
:-)

--
"A printer consists of three main parts: the case, the jammed
paper tray and the blinking red light" -- unknown

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Hello Mike,

The other day Gleb Hlebov (2:221/6) wrote to you:

Always good to see some more sunscribers here.

^

Gosh... Of course it's 'subscribers'.
It was a little too early in the morning.


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Hi, Mike Powell!
I read your message from 20.02.2024 14:45

Depends on what the fence was made of. I think Gleb has a point
in that this announcement may have been written on a scrap of
cardboard which the protagonist attached to the fence using
whatever came readily to hand.... :-)

IMHO when you say "to post" it implies the mail service. Give me
an example if am wrong. At the very least the man could nail his
message. :)

It can mean that. I think that meaning is more often used in
British English than here in America.

It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin
board, wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a
for sale flyer on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the
lost pet flyers to several phone poles in the neighborhood."

I see. And indeed any noun in English can be converted into a verb. So, if we have a lamp post we can post a message. ;-)

Bye, Mike!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2024

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The other day Gleb Hlebov (2:221/6) wrote to you:

Always good to see some more sunscribers here.

^

Gosh... Of course it's 'subscribers'.
It was a little too early in the morning.

I knew what you meant. :D

Mike


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It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin
board, wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a
for sale flyer on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the
lost pet flyers to several phone poles in the neighborhood."

I see. And indeed any noun in English can be converted into a verb. So, if we ve a lamp post we can post a message. ;-)

This is correct. ;) There are some nouns that convert to verbs better
than others, but that has never stopped (American) English speakers from
trying to convert them all.

Mike


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Re: Funny story about Russian
By: Alexander Koryagin to Mike Powell on Wed Feb 21 2024 12:20 pm

Hi, Mike Powell!
I read your message from 20.02.2024 14:45

Depends on what the fence was made of. I think Gleb has a point
in that this announcement may have been written on a scrap of
cardboard which the protagonist attached to the fence using
whatever came readily to hand.... :-)

IMHO when you say "to post" it implies the mail service. Give me
an example if am wrong. At the very least the man could nail his
message. :)

It can mean that. I think that meaning is more often used in
British English than here in America.

It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin
board, wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a
for sale flyer on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the
lost pet flyers to several phone poles in the neighborhood."

I see. And indeed any noun in English can be converted into a verb. So, if w have a lamp post we can post a message. ;-)

Bye, Mike!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2024

Not actually but close. Most nouns translate. You'd have a hard time with 'magazine' for example. (grin)

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Hi, Mike Powell!
I read your message from 21.02.2024 15:28

It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin
board, wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a
for sale flyer on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the
lost pet flyers to several phone poles in the neighborhood."

I see. And indeed any noun in English can be converted into a
verb. So, if we ve a lamp post we can post a message. ;-)

This is correct. ;) There are some nouns that convert to verbs
better than others, but that has never stopped (American) English
speakers from trying to convert them all.

Can we fence a message? :)

Bye, Mike!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2024

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Re: Funny story about Russian
By: Alexander Koryagin to Mike Powell on Thu Feb 22 2024 09:22 am

Hi, Mike Powell!
I read your message from 21.02.2024 15:28

It can also mean to attach a message to a physical cork bulletin
board, wall, fencepost, telephone pole, etc., such as "I posted a
for sale flyer on the break room bulletin board" or "I posted the
lost pet flyers to several phone poles in the neighborhood."

I see. And indeed any noun in English can be converted into a
verb. So, if we ve a lamp post we can post a message. ;-)

This is correct. ;) There are some nouns that convert to verbs
better than others, but that has never stopped (American) English speakers from trying to convert them all.

Can we fence a message? :)

Bye, Mike!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2024

Probably not but 'to fence something' is to sell it illegally. 'Jack fenced thet Mona Lisa for 19million to another Fence'. (the 'fence' here is a person who sells things on the black market illegally.

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Hi, Mike! Recently you wrote in a message to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN:

There are some nouns that convert to verbs better than
others, but that has never stopped (American) English
speakers from trying to convert them all.

I feel much the same way, but I'm glad you said it.... :-)))




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Hi Alexander,

Thu 22 Feb 2024 09:22, you -> Mike Powell:

This is correct. ;) There are some nouns that convert to verbs
better than others, but that has never stopped (American) English
speakers from trying to convert them all.

Can we fence a message? :)

We can't, but I can message you (like I do now).


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