Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:02:47 -0400
From: DAVE GOURD
To: MICHAEL PURDY
Subject: RE: Recommendation Help for WC and Windows 7
Newsgroups: win.server.program
Message-ID: <1467766967.32.1467765369@winserver.com>
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Thanks Mike, I knew you'd probably be the one to first reply.

- I didn't even pay attention to whether this conf was listserved or
not.

I forwarded the original to #121.

FYI - finally got wcrepair to run OK, wcserver starts now, ran wcconfig
to mod the paths to new install, problem now is wcsmtp and online will
not start - looking into logs and error msgs reveals '... procedure
entry point could not be located...' in wcsvr2.dll.

Searching SSI msgs for relevant details.

(am posting copy of this to conf#121)

--
Dave




On 7/5/2016 8:36 PM, MICHAEL PURDY wrote to DAVE GOURD:

Please note that Conference 32 is only published locally and many

months

can pass between messages and consequently it is relatively rarely

read.

To reach the broader WC community please consider posting in

Conference

#121 which is published to the SSI Support List.


On 7/5/2016 9:34 AM, DAVE GOURD wrote to ALL:

Follow up here -

I have done re-installs and recovers several times over the

years,

never seen this problem - but I've also never done it on windows

7, I

must be getting old and missing something.

Installed wins to temp machine from v6.1 451.4 CD, initial

updates from

the install ran, initial login performed.

Restored \config, \data, and \http* dirs from my available

backups.

Ran AUP to get up to date

Run wcRepair -

Select configuration database, press start, returns
"Repair completed successfully"
Click OK

Select user database, press start, returns
"[X] could not open user database"
Click OK

Select file database, press start, returns
"[X] could not open file database"
Click OK

Select message database, press start, returns
"[X] could not open userconf.dat"
Click OK
Click close

Tried starting wcServer to run wcconfig, returns
"The Wildcat! Server could not start because of the following

error:

!Critical: Could not open user database"

Now what???

Off to uninstall and reinstall with 'runas administrator' for CD setup/install. will try to run wcconfig before restoring my data,

then

run repair, then AUP...

--
Dave

On 7/4/2016 8:28 PM, DAVE GOURD wrote to all:

Mostly regarding network and firewall settings to run WC (WAN)

and

LAN

safely on windows 7 - sorry to be a bit off-topic...

My old reliable server totally crashed this weekend. Time to

replace

it and

get away from XP anyway.

R.I.P. -a dual boot machine, Was running WC5/6 (up to date but

not

Catapult) under WinXP pro with Sygate personal firewall.

2.7Ghz dual core, 2GB RAM, 3HDDs - 1 @ 160GB, 1 @ 320GB, 1 @

1TB.

3 NICs - 1@ LAN private, 2 @ WAN (have 5 static IPs comcast

bus.)

Am novice to windows 7, have only been running it on an old

Dell for

less

than a month - so bear with me.

I found a couple of refurbished off-lease workstations for

about

~$250 USD

+ shipping: HP Z400's - 1yr warranty, 1@ MS Windows 7 pro

64bit/8GB

1TB,

the other @ MS Windows 7 pro 32bit/4GB 1TB. One of these will

replace

crashed unit.

Seeking recommendations / suggestions ASAP, reply here; my

site is

down

temporarily so list/responses will be monitored here at the

SSI

site.

I probably should have asked Mike P. directly, but open to

all...

#1 - Which is more appropriate - 32 or 64 bit? The machine

will be

for

Wildcat and LAN server, as well as some graphics and authoring

work

for

hosted websites (8 virtual domains) while occasionally seated

directly at

the box. 64bit scares me, 32bit limits me.

While I understand the most obvious advantage of the 64bit /

8gigs

(expandable) and 1TB (which I will add to) - which would be

more

compatible/suitable. I don't use 16bit apps anymore, but have

some

32 bit

favs - photoshop, Corel draw and photopaint.

#2 - Under windows 7, what network setting for the wildcat

(WAN)

NIC? -

Home, work, or public? Any other firewall/security settings?

Already using Work network for LAN connection on the old Dell

added

a NIC

for WAN - this box will be a temp WC machine until replacement

box

arrives

later this week or early next depending on when and what

responses I

get

here. ... We Are The WildCat!

#3 - recommendations for software or hardware firewall;

inexpensive,

reliable, and relatively easy to config and modify - add

rules, set

individual IPs or IP blocks, intrusion protection. Sygate was

GREAT!

Sygate Personal Firewall WILL NOT run in windows 7 - I can

install,

but get

errors and it will not run. I could, but do not wish to setup

an

additional

box (using Linux) just to run as a dedicated firewall.

#4 - If by chance I can get the backup drive data recovered,

is

there a way

to merge the data (mail, files) with the new/interim data?

(#5 FYI) Already purchased 2 external USB HDDs for use as

additional

backups - it is not a good feeling when one's archiving falls

victim

to

maladies... Maybe I can get the old drive's data recovered but

not

inexpensive - now opting for extra redundancy and knowledge

gained

from

experience... backups from now on will be 1 internal (separate

HDD),

2

separate external copies AND KEEP THEM UP TO DATE!

The old setup has been VERY reliable and trustworthy for

several

years now,

good-bye Old Paint, gonna miss ya.

And Kudos to SSI for making a product that has stood so well

through

the

years, looking forward to Catapult update once I get the newer

machine and

rebuild the installation.

-
-
-

--
Dave
FoxRiver.Net
The Windy City

For those interested...

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:50:28 -0400
From: "JOHN KIDWELL" <john.kidwell@winserver.com>
To: DAVE GOURD
Subject: RE: Recommendation Help for WC and Windows 7
Newsgroups: win.server.program
Message-ID: <1508770228.32.1467678516@winserver.com>
References: <1467678516.32.0@winserver.com>
X-Mailer: Wildcat! Interactive Net Server v7.0.454.5
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Dave:
As you may know, I have been running WC since the early 1990's. It seems
I'm up against a similar situation, in that my current XP server is 18
years old. I do total backups once a week. I have a new Windows 7 box I've been using for R&D only, (solidworks, etc.). I got the W7 box because it's
a 64 bit machine with a large hard drive. I have been using 2003 Outlook Express since 2003 to read email. I have had as many as 8 virtual domains
but stopped those for now. Next year I will add another virtual domain for business purposes.

The one nagging problem with Outlook is that it doesn't delete email when
it's been read, therefore I must also use the WC Mail to delete them once
read by Outlook. I don't know if that has been fixed in WC or not. And,
it would be nice if the WC Mail had an archive module like Outlook does.

Lastly, I am going to do a total upgrade soon because I'm moving the whole
mess to a new location and start all over again. That's why I am trying to find out how well WC works on Windows 7 machines.

John Kidwell

On 7/4/2016 8:28 PM, DAVE GOURD wrote to all:

Mostly regarding network and firewall settings to run WC (WAN) and LAN safely on windows 7 - sorry to be a bit off-topic...

My old reliable server totally crashed this weekend. Time to replace it and get away from XP anyway.

R.I.P. -a dual boot machine, Was running WC5/6 (up to date but not Catapult) under WinXP pro with Sygate personal firewall.

2.7Ghz dual core, 2GB RAM, 3HDDs - 1 @ 160GB, 1 @ 320GB, 1 @ 1TB.
3 NICs - 1@ LAN private, 2 @ WAN (have 5 static IPs comcast bus.)

Am novice to windows 7, have only been running it on an old Dell for less than a month - so bear with me.

I found a couple of refurbished off-lease workstations for about ~$250 USD + shipping: HP Z400's - 1yr warranty, 1@ MS Windows 7 pro 64bit/8GB 1TB, the other @ MS Windows 7 pro 32bit/4GB 1TB. One of these will replace crashed unit.

Seeking recommendations / suggestions ASAP, reply here; my site is down temporarily so list/responses will be monitored here at the SSI site.

I probably should have asked Mike P. directly, but open to all...

#1 - Which is more appropriate - 32 or 64 bit? The machine will be for Wildcat and LAN server, as well as some graphics and authoring work for hosted websites (8 virtual domains) while occasionally seated directly at the box. 64bit scares me, 32bit limits me.

While I understand the most obvious advantage of the 64bit / 8gigs (expandable) and 1TB (which I will add to) - which would be more compatible/suitable. I don't use 16bit apps anymore, but have some 32 bit favs - photoshop, Corel draw and photopaint.

#2 - Under windows 7, what network setting for the wildcat (WAN) NIC? - Home, work, or public? Any other firewall/security settings?

Already using Work network for LAN connection on the old Dell added a NIC for WAN - this box will be a temp WC machine until replacement box arrives later this week or early next depending on when and what responses I get here. ... We Are The WildCat!

#3 - recommendations for software or hardware firewall; inexpensive, reliable, and relatively easy to config and modify - add rules, set individual IPs or IP blocks, intrusion protection. Sygate was GREAT!

Sygate Personal Firewall WILL NOT run in windows 7 - I can install, but get errors and it will not run. I could, but do not wish to setup an additional box (using Linux) just to run as a dedicated firewall.

#4 - If by chance I can get the backup drive data recovered, is there a way to merge the data (mail, files) with the new/interim data?

(#5 FYI) Already purchased 2 external USB HDDs for use as additional backups - it is not a good feeling when one's archiving falls victim to maladies... Maybe I can get the old drive's data recovered but not inexpensive - now opting for extra redundancy and knowledge gained from experience... backups from now on will be 1 internal (separate HDD), 2 separate external copies AND KEEP THEM UP TO DATE!

The old setup has been VERY reliable and trustworthy for several years now, good-bye Old Paint, gonna miss ya.

And Kudos to SSI for making a product that has stood so well through the years, looking forward to Catapult update once I get the newer machine and rebuild the installation.

-
-
-

--
Dave
FoxRiver.Net
The Windy City

For those interested...

Don't know what happened to the old PC, there was no weather involved, no power glitches (no logs from the UPS) and nobody physically at the box, I was remote into it though. Something on the motherboard I suspect. It started acting up and died completely within about 30 minutes.

The RAM and 2 of 3 HDDs are no good anymore - 1 HDD was the backup drive for whole network including WC, the other XP drive with our WC installation on it. Machine will not boot, BIOS freezes during RAM check.

Just going to make a doorstop out of it (13 yrs old now, been thru a lot).

In a spare (test) machine, BIOS gives RAM errors; the 2 (windows drives) are seen (type and size) by the BIOS, but cannot read them except for 1 small partition that has the only archive available for me to rebuild my entire WC installation; but these were made 7 or 8 weeks ago for a quick copy USB to dev some pages from a laptop when not at home.

The 3rd drive (bootable linux Mint) seems good, the test machine boots from it and runs Mint OK.

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:45:01 -0400
From: LEE GREEN
To: JOHN KIDWELL
Subject: RE: Recommendation Help for WC and Windows 7
Newsgroups: win.server.program
Message-ID: <1509039901.32.1508770228@winserver.com>
References: <1508770228.32.1467678516@winserver.com>
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OE always deleted my email, you must not have the option checked to delete
it, works fine with Thunderbird and Win10 too.

On 10/23/2017 10:50 AM, JOHN KIDWELL wrote to DAVE GOURD:

Dave:
As you may know, I have been running WC since the early 1990's. It seems I'm up against a similar situation, in that my current XP server is 18
years old. I do total backups once a week. I have a new Windows 7 box I've been using for R&D only, (solidworks, etc.). I got the W7 box because it's a 64 bit machine with a large hard drive. I have been using 2003 Outlook Express since 2003 to read email. I have had as many as 8 virtual domains but stopped those for now. Next year I will add another virtual domain for business purposes.

The one nagging problem with Outlook is that it doesn't delete email when it's been read, therefore I must also use the WC Mail to delete them once read by Outlook. I don't know if that has been fixed in WC or not. And,
it would be nice if the WC Mail had an archive module like Outlook does.

Lastly, I am going to do a total upgrade soon because I'm moving the whole mess to a new location and start all over again. That's why I am trying to find out how well WC works on Windows 7 machines.

John Kidwell

On 7/4/2016 8:28 PM, DAVE GOURD wrote to all:

Mostly regarding network and firewall settings to run WC (WAN) and LAN safely on windows 7 - sorry to be a bit off-topic...

My old reliable server totally crashed this weekend. Time to replace

it and

get away from XP anyway.

R.I.P. -a dual boot machine, Was running WC5/6 (up to date but not Catapult) under WinXP pro with Sygate personal firewall.

2.7Ghz dual core, 2GB RAM, 3HDDs - 1 @ 160GB, 1 @ 320GB, 1 @ 1TB.
3 NICs - 1@ LAN private, 2 @ WAN (have 5 static IPs comcast bus.)

Am novice to windows 7, have only been running it on an old Dell for

less

than a month - so bear with me.

I found a couple of refurbished off-lease workstations for about

~$250 USD

+ shipping: HP Z400's - 1yr warranty, 1@ MS Windows 7 pro 64bit/8GB 1TB, the other @ MS Windows 7 pro 32bit/4GB 1TB. One of these will replace crashed unit.

Seeking recommendations / suggestions ASAP, reply here; my site is down temporarily so list/responses will be monitored here at the SSI site.

I probably should have asked Mike P. directly, but open to all...

#1 - Which is more appropriate - 32 or 64 bit? The machine will be for Wildcat and LAN server, as well as some graphics and authoring work for hosted websites (8 virtual domains) while occasionally seated

directly at

the box. 64bit scares me, 32bit limits me.

While I understand the most obvious advantage of the 64bit / 8gigs (expandable) and 1TB (which I will add to) - which would be more compatible/suitable. I don't use 16bit apps anymore, but have some 32

bit

favs - photoshop, Corel draw and photopaint.

#2 - Under windows 7, what network setting for the wildcat (WAN) NIC? - Home, work, or public? Any other firewall/security settings?

Already using Work network for LAN connection on the old Dell added a

NIC

for WAN - this box will be a temp WC machine until replacement box

arrives

later this week or early next depending on when and what responses I get here. ... We Are The WildCat!

#3 - recommendations for software or hardware firewall; inexpensive, reliable, and relatively easy to config and modify - add rules, set individual IPs or IP blocks, intrusion protection. Sygate was GREAT!

Sygate Personal Firewall WILL NOT run in windows 7 - I can install,

but get

errors and it will not run. I could, but do not wish to setup an

additional

box (using Linux) just to run as a dedicated firewall.

#4 - If by chance I can get the backup drive data recovered, is there

a way

to merge the data (mail, files) with the new/interim data?

(#5 FYI) Already purchased 2 external USB HDDs for use as additional backups - it is not a good feeling when one's archiving falls victim to maladies... Maybe I can get the old drive's data recovered but not inexpensive - now opting for extra redundancy and knowledge gained from experience... backups from now on will be 1 internal (separate HDD), 2 separate external copies AND KEEP THEM UP TO DATE!

The old setup has been VERY reliable and trustworthy for several

years now,

good-bye Old Paint, gonna miss ya.

And Kudos to SSI for making a product that has stood so well through the years, looking forward to Catapult update once I get the newer

machine and

rebuild the installation.

-
-
-

--
Dave
FoxRiver.Net
The Windy City

For those interested...

Don't know what happened to the old PC, there was no weather

involved, no

power glitches (no logs from the UPS) and nobody physically at the

box, I

was remote into it though. Something on the motherboard I suspect. It started acting up and died completely within about 30 minutes.

The RAM and 2 of 3 HDDs are no good anymore - 1 HDD was the backup drive for whole network including WC, the other XP drive with our WC

installation

on it. Machine will not boot, BIOS freezes during RAM check.

Just going to make a doorstop out of it (13 yrs old now, been thru a

lot).

In a spare (test) machine, BIOS gives RAM errors; the 2 (windows drives) are seen (type and size) by the BIOS, but cannot read them except for 1 small partition that has the only archive available for me to rebuild my entire WC installation; but these were made 7 or 8 weeks ago for a quick copy USB to dev some pages from a laptop when not at home.

The 3rd drive (bootable linux Mint) seems good, the test machine

boots from

it and runs Mint OK.

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