Why is there no movies echo?
Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?
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Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?
An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.
There is no area like that (that I know of) but we could start one if there is interest.
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Erich B. wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Who would moderate the echo though?
An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to t about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.
Who would moderate the echo though?
Generally the moderator is the person who creates an area and links with other nodes. Sometimes the moderator will pass an area off to someone else.
Most echoes today don't have a moderator at all.
You could do that if you wanted too. List the area on the elist and I could create the area here and interested nodes could link.
Ttyl :-),
Al
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On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...
I don't see TABLET listed on the ELIST. You could add yourself as the moderator of that echo if you felt so inclined. I did the same with the HOROSCOPE echo recently.
Jay
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I don't see TABLET listed on the ELIST. You could add yourself as the moderator of that echo if you felt so inclined. I did the same with the HOROSCOPE echo recently.
I never done this before. Can you go step with me? Thanks.
On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...
Yup yup, you can find all of the documentation in the elisthlp.txt file in this archive:
http://www.filegate.net/pub/echolist/ELST2108.ZIP
Basically what you'll want to do is create a file called TABLET.ECO (or whatever you want your echo to be named) and then send that FILE to 2:250/1.
The contents of the file (to create the new echo) should look like:
[--- BEGIN TABLET.ECO ---]
SUBJ MOD-ADD
TAG TABLET
GROUP FIDO
FROM Erich B, 1:103/705
PASS SuperSecretPassword
LANG ENGLISH
TITL Discussions about Tablet & Apps
MOD Erich B, 1:103/705
DESC Discussions about Tablet & Apps
GATE Permitted
DIST All Official Fidonet Backbones
[--- END TABLET.ECO ---]
To send the file to Vincent's system varies by BBS software, in my case with Mystic I added his system as a node with a filebox and dropped the .ECO file in there. Once Mystic saw the file, it sent it off to his system and about an hour later I saw the message in the ELIST echo that it was added.
Every 6 months you'll need to "renew" your echo, so keep an eye out on the ELIST echo for an expiry notice. You can just send a minimal .ECO update to renew your echo like so:
[--- BEGIN TABLET.ECO ---]
SUBJ MOD-UPD
TAG TABLET
GROUP FIDO
FROM Erich B, 1:103/705
PASS SuperSecretPassword
[--- END TABLET.ECO ---]
You can also create a TABLET.RUL file as well if you wanted to post the rules of the echo as well.
Jay
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Sounds pretty complicated to me. I'll probably mess it up most likely.
An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.
On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...
Sounds pretty complicated to me. I'll probably mess it up
most likely.
It's not that bad, let me know if you need some help. I
can even send the file for you if you like.
Hello Jay Harris!
** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 19:20, Jay Harris wrote to Erich B.:
The Elist bot seems to accept MOD UPD, and MOD ADD in the
message body now. .: Erich could just construct the message
from the examples you gave and simply use netmail. :D
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The Elist bot seems to accept MOD UPD, and MOD ADD in the
message body now. .: Erich could just construct the message
from the examples you gave and simply use netmail. :D
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I don't even run a bbs. I only use an iPad.^^^^^^^^^
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Hello Erich B.!
** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 17:56, Erich B. wrote to August Abolins:
^^^^^^^^^
You don't need to be the operator of a bbs to launch an echo.
Users can be creators/moderators too.
In your case, you should be able to communicate with the Elist
bot with netmail. I would think that Vertrauen has fidonet
netmail available to you. If you are not sure, ask the sysop.
:D
Then, you can send the initial MOD ADD message that you need to
get started. ;)
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You don't need to be the operator of a bbs to launch an echo.
Users can be creators/moderators too.
Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?
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Hi August,
On 2021-08-31 21:57:00, you wrote to Erich B.:
And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail area.
Bye, Wilfred.
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And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail
area.
Then how do you create it then?
Hi Erich,
On 2021-09-01 07:13:45, you wrote to me:
As you would with the elisting: Create it on your system and let other systems link to it...
Bye, Wilfred.
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As you would with the elisting: Create it on your system and let other
systems link to it...
But as I previously stated before that I don’t run a bbs. I only use
an iPad.
Hi August,Then how do you create it then?
On 2021-08-31 21:57:00, you wrote to Erich B.:
And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail area.
Bye, Wilfred.
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Hi Erich,
...Greets from my Telegram app!
You illuminated a key point. How to create an echo is not obvious - to a user. A user comes along, sees that no echo seems to exist for a particular topic, and maybe asks for a sysop's assistance to track it down and add it to the BBS. Or.. the user sees there is no echo for a particular topic of interest and thinks "fidonet sucks.. there is no echo for the topic I'm interested in".
But basically, it's a simple matter to just ask. A sysop of your board could help you get started. Then you, as creator/moderator, just need to advertise (eg. via ECHO_ADS echo), or encourage other sysops in the network to add your echo. You're already off to a good start doing just that! :D
Hope this helps!
Ciao!
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Hi Erich,
On 2021-09-01 07:44:09, you wrote to me:
"your system" = "your bosses system"
Bye, Wilfred.
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Erich B. wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Generally the moderator is the person who creates an area and links with other nodes. Sometimes the moderator will pass an area off to someone else.
Most echoes today don't have a moderator at all.
You could do that if you wanted too. List the area on the elist and I could create the area here and interested nodes could link.
How do I list it Al? I never done this before.
Richard Miles wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.
Not a bad idea. TABLET or maybe MOBILE...
I like MOBILE. I have suggested that to Eric so we'll see what he decides to go with.
Ttyl :-),
Al
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I see you took over Fmail. What’s it like now? I would love to see
some screenshots since I can’t download and run it.
Hi Erich,
On 2021-09-01 12:59:05, you wrote to me:
FMail is not about how it looks, the configuration problem still looks the same, except for a few additional menu items...
Bye, Wilfred.
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FMail is not about how it looks, the configuration problem still looks
the same, except for a few additional menu items...
What are the few additional items that you added?
An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks t talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to g them.
Richard Miles wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks t talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to g them.
If he doesn't set it up I'll do it if someone reminds me around next Tuesday or Wednesday lol. That's my next days off. I would be happy to participate. Don't know anything about iPhones or iPads (or not much)
but I guess I would be an Android power user. Been rooting phones since Android was released.
The area MOBILE exists here on my BBS now. The problem is no one is
linked to the area yet.
Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist
Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist
No you don't *have* to! ;-)
Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist
No you don't *have* to! ;-)
True. It's not a law or anything, if that's what you mean.
Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist
No you don't *have* to! ;-)
True. It's not a law or anything, if that's what you mean.
That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being elisted...
That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being
elisted...
But the elist method makes the process self-serve for a
creator/moderator
*and* the existence of an echo is automatically published in its respective .NA file that some bbses refer to see "available" echos.
Alan Ianson wrote to Richard Miles <=-
Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist
and try to get some hubs linked so interested folks can
connect.
There have been a couple of Fido echoes that have been
distributed locally - there's nothins stopping people from
connecting to your system to get a local echo. If
anything, it's a nice proof of concept that there's some
interest before going onto the backbone.
That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being
elisted...
But the elist method makes the process self-serve for a
creator/moderator
What does this mean?
*and* the existence of an echo is automatically published
in its respective .NA file that some bbses refer to see
"available" echos.
The elist and the NAB (list) are not the same thing. The
set of areas in both probably overlap, but are not the
same.
And being in either list doesn't automatically mean an
area is available at your link. You still have to check
the %LIST response.
The initial comms to the bot can be performed at any time, and
some results would come back within an hour or so. If it were
just a "user" requesting to create an echo for a topic of their
interest they would first have to convince their sysop to go
through the trouble to create it and spread the word. Whereas,
the elist-bot method [1] "creates" the echo,
and [3] gets a spot in a .NA file that is distributed to boards everywhere.
The elist and the NAB (list) are not the same thing. The
set of areas in both probably overlap, but are not the
same.
Why be burdened over that distinction? The whole point is to
announce that an echo exists and anyone, NAB or not, can pick
it up if they want.
At some point people interested in participating in an
echo need to consult with their sysop, or a sysop has to
perform the %LIST and request to add it anyway. But the
initial elist-bot process is something anyone could do to get
something started at their convenience.
Why was the elist-bot system even built in the first place if
it wasn't intended to provide a more organized way to create
and announce the existence of echos?
the elist-bot method [1] "creates" the echo,
It only creates an entry in the echolist.
and [3] gets a spot in a .NA file that is distributed to
boards everywhere.
It's only in the .na file that is distributed in the
monthly elist*.zip file. I very much doubt anyone
processes it automatically and have areas auto created
and destroyed.
An elist entry doesn't mean the area exists.
An entry in the NAB's list, means it at least exists on
the NAB.
..But the initial elist-bot process is something anyone
could do to get something started at their convenience.
You could see it as a problem to. If anyone can create a
listing for any area, existing or not.
Why was the elist-bot system even built in the first
place if it wasn't intended to provide a more organized
way to create and announce the existence of echos?
Control.
and [3] gets a spot in a .NA file that is distributed to
boards everywhere.
It's only in the .na file that is distributed in the
monthly elist*.zip file. I very much doubt anyone
processes it automatically and have areas auto created
and destroyed.
When I ran my bbs, the .NA file served as a fine catalog of
what was available out there.
But with a little more awareness, sysops can be given the
heads-up that elist*.zip is a fine goto package to see what
echos are yearning to be linked up.
An elist entry doesn't mean the area exists.
An entry in the NAB's list, means it at least exists on
the NAB.
Ya. Ok. Once again, you nabbed me on a technical issue. But I
am trying to describe a practical convenient system that works
24/7 using the computers that people love to see doing the
things that they were designed for: automation.
An announcement via the elist-bot system doesn't "create" the
echo, but it is an easy way to get the word around,
and the contents are presented in a consistent readible way with all
info contained within. Instead of a long series of public or pm
messages back and forth, everything any sysop needs to know about a potential echo seeking distribution is contained in the elist system
of files.
..But the initial elist-bot process is something anyone
could do to get something started at their convenience.
You could see it as a problem to. If anyone can create a
listing for any area, existing or not.
Everything has potential to be abused.
But talking successfully to the elist-bot provides some assurance that
the creator/ moderator is serious. I doubt that a creator and
potential moderator would want to go through all the trouble of
following the elist language just to be painted as a nuisance.
If you want a new area to get known and linked to, you will have
to announce it manually in selected echomail areas, that is the
only way.
If you want a new area to get known and linked to, you will have
to announce it manually in selected echomail areas, that is the
only way.
The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.
The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.
I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...
The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.
I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...
I think I remember having read some echo announcement back in the 90s, though not sure.
More "recently", I have found in a quick search:
- LIVE_AUDIO echo in FidoNews 25-16 (2008)
- EMERGCOM echo, several announcements around 2010-2011
- IPV6 echo in FidoNews 28-20 (2011)
- HOTDOGED in Jon Justvig's alt. edition 30-42 (2013).
07 Sep 2021 19:31, you wrote to me:
The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.
I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...
More "recently", I have found in a quick search:
- LIVE_AUDIO echo in FidoNews 25-16 (2008)
- EMERGCOM echo, several announcements around 2010-2011
- IPV6 echo in FidoNews 28-20 (2011)
- HOTDOGED in Jon Justvig's alt. edition 30-42 (2013).
Kurt Weiske wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist and try to get
some hubs linked so interested folks can connect.
There have been a couple of Fido echoes that have been distributed
locally - there's nothins stopping people from connecting to your
system to get a local echo. If anything, it's a nice proof of concept
that there's some interest before going onto the backbone.
That's true. 1:153/757 is a link friendly node. If anyone would like to link up here just send me a netmail and we'll get that done.
The area is listed in the echolist now and I am about to request the area be carried on the backbone so hopefully that will happen and make connections for the area easy to do.
Ttyl :-),
Al
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Erich B. wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
I hope it gets lots of traffic. :-)
Yes, I hope so too. I hope that folks will find the area useful and enjoyable.
The area has two links now and I am going to reach out to a few of my links and ask them to link the area if possible.
So, the area is up and running now but it does need more links and I am sure that will come together in time.
So the area just needs a post now to get it started. My trigger finger is twitching.. ;)
Ttyl :-),
Al
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