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    From Chicken Head@1:103/705 to All on Tue Jan 14 15:41:54 2020
    So I've had this Ultima V itch I really need scratched. Back in the day in 1988 I played it on my trusty Commodore 64.

    I can do it in Vice, but the default keyboard mapping is awful. Instead I've been using AppleWin since at least the arrow keys do what they are supposed to do.

    How can you easily change the default keyboard mapping in Vice? "Symbolic" just doesn't cut the mustard.

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  • From Pinku Basudei@3:770/3 to Chicken Head on Thu Jan 16 17:20:34 2020
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:41:54 +1300
    nospam.Chicken.Head@f1.n770.z688.fidonet.org (Chicken Head) wrote:

    How can you easily change the default keyboard mapping in Vice? "Symbolic" just doesn't cut the mustard.



    Try positional mapping, there's a couple to choose from depending on your keyboard. Positional is not ideal either but it's much better than symbolic in my opinion.

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  • From Harry Potter@3:770/3 to Pinku Basudei on Sat Jan 18 12:01:27 2020
    On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-5, Pinku Basudei wrote:
    Try positional mapping, there's a couple to choose from depending on your
    keyboard. Positional is not ideal either but it's much better than symbolic in my opinion.

    I agree, but there are times when symbolic mapping is preferable, such as that some keys are unavailable in positional mapping. :)

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  • From Pinku Basudei@3:770/3 to Harry Potter on Mon Jan 20 07:55:47 2020
    On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)
    Harry Potter <rose.joseph12@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-5, Pinku Basudei wrote:
    Try positional mapping, there's a couple to choose from depending on your
    keyboard. Positional is not ideal either but it's much better than symbolic in my opinion.

    I agree, but there are times when symbolic mapping is preferable, such as
    that some keys are unavailable in positional mapping. :)

    I'd say I get that more with symbolic, C=, left arrow and so on, but I'm on a euro keyboard so that might have something to do with it. Or perhaps it's that I know where they're supposed to be on a real C64? :)

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  • From Tom Lake@3:770/3 to Pinku Basudei on Mon Jan 20 05:26:35 2020
    On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-5, Pinku Basudei wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:41:54 +1300 nospam.Chicken.Head@f1.n770.z688.fidonet.org (Chicken Head) wrote:

    How can you easily change the default keyboard mapping in Vice?
    "Symbolic"
    just doesn't cut the mustard.



    Try positional mapping, there's a couple to choose from depending on your
    keyboard. Positional is not ideal either but it's much better than symbolic in my opinion.

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    / Pinku

    Unless I have stickers that go on the keys, I like symbolic since I can never remember what keys do what functions with positional.

    Tom L

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  • From Tristan Miller@3:770/3 to Chicken Head on Thu Jan 30 14:00:56 2020
    Greetings.

    On 14/01/2020 03.41, Chicken Head wrote:
    So I've had this Ultima V itch I really need scratched. Back in the day in 1988 I played it on my trusty Commodore 64.

    I can do it in Vice, but the default keyboard mapping is awful. Instead
    I've
    been using AppleWin since at least the arrow keys do what they are supposed
    to
    do.

    How can you easily change the default keyboard mapping in Vice? "Symbolic" just doesn't cut the mustard.


    In VICE 3.3 (Gtk3), go to Settings->Settings...->Input devices->Keyboard settings. In that dialog you will be able to specify a custom keymap
    file. Default symbolic and positional keymap files are distributed as
    part of VICE -- they're named gtk3_sym.vkm and gtk3_pos.vkm,
    respectively. You can use these as a starting point to create your own keymaps. The files themselves contain comments explaining the format
    pretty thoroughly. Unfortunately, the format isn't particularly "easy"
    though it is comprehensible with a little effort. Just look at some
    example keycodes and cross-reference them with the keyboard matrix
    diagrams included in the file.

    If all you want to do is to remap your arrow keys to the default
    movement keys in the C64/C128 version of Ultima V (if memory serves,
    these are @ for up, / for down, : for left, and ; for right), then I
    believe all you need to do is to find the lines in the keymap file
    beginning "Up", "Down", "Left", and "Right", erase the three numbers
    that follow those words, and replace them with the same three numbers
    that follow the lines beginning "at", "slash", "colon", and "semicolon".

    Regards,
    Tristan

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