Hello Charles!

** On Tuesday 17.11.20 - 16:29, Charles Pierson wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

I am reading that Netherland is switching to hydrogen gas
everywhere.

Not that I'm aware of...

I'd certainly hope not. Hydrogen gas isn't really a good idea, looking back historically.

"The Netherlands has a problem. It has a unique pipeline
network dedicated to carrying the specific lower-calorific
value quality gas of its giant Groningen field. Having
legislated to wind down Groningen production, the grid will no
longer be needed. Its solution? Integrate these pipelines into
one of Europe's most ambitious hydrogen visions."

[From: https://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream- downstream/pipelines/2020/hydrogen-to-breathe-new-life-into-
dutch-pipelines]

Maybe it is something just for industry, not homes.


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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/17/20 7:41 PM you wrote:

"The Netherlands has a problem. It has a unique pipeline network dedicated to carrying the specific lower-calorific value quality
gas of its giant Groningen field. Having legislated to wind down Groningen production, the grid will no longer be needed. Its
solution? Integrate these pipelines into one of Europe's most
ambitious hydrogen visions." [From: https://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream- downstream/pipelines/2020/hydrogen-to-breathe-new-life-into- dutch-pipelines] Maybe it is something just for industry, not
homes.

Possibly, that link is giving me a 404 error.

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Hello Charles!

** On Tuesday 17.11.20 - 19:34, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/17/20 7:41 PM you wrote:

"The Netherlands has a problem. It has a unique pipeline network
dedicated to carrying the specific lower-calorific value quality
gas of its giant Groningen field. Having legislated to wind down
Groningen production, the grid will no longer be needed. Its
solution? Integrate these pipelines into one of Europe's most
ambitious hydrogen visions." [From:
https://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream-
downstream/pipelines/2020/hydrogen-to-breathe-new-life-into-
dutch-pipelines] Maybe it is something just for industry, not
homes.

Possibly, that link is giving me a 404 error.

Try this tiny one:

https://tinyurl.com/y3gbmwzz

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Hi August,

On 2020-11-17 19:41:00, you wrote to Charles Pierson:

"The Netherlands has a problem. It has a unique pipeline
network dedicated to carrying the specific lower-calorific
value quality gas of its giant Groningen field. Having
legislated to wind down Groningen production, the grid will no
longer be needed. Its solution? Integrate these pipelines into
one of Europe's most ambitious hydrogen visions."

[From: https://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream- downstream/pipelines/2020/hydrogen-to-breathe-new-life-into- dutch-pipelines]

Maybe it is something just for industry, not homes.

Almost every home is connected to the gas network. So it certainly would be for home too! But realizing this is a long way in the future, probably decades...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/17/20 8:46 PM you wrote:

Possibly, that link is giving me a 404 error.

Try this tiny one: https://tinyurl.com/y3gbmwzz

That one worked. Thanks.

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Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 11/18/20 11:52 AM you wrote:

Maybe it is something just for industry, not homes.

Almost every home is connected to the gas network. So it certainly
would be for home too! But realizing this is a long way in the
future, probably decades...

From what I've read so far, it will take a lot of work to change over.

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Hi Charles,

On 2020-11-18 06:49:40, you wrote to me:

Maybe it is something just for industry, not homes.

Almost every home is connected to the gas network. So it certainly
would be for home too! But realizing this is a long way in the
future, probably decades...

From what I've read so far, it will take a lot of work to change over.

Probably, hydrogen gas differs a lot from natural gas...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 11/18/20 2:11 PM you wrote:

From what I've read so far, it will take a lot of work to change
over.

Probably, hydrogen gas differs a lot from natural gas...

I did read metal pipes would corrode quicker with hydrogen.

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Hi Charles,

On 2020-11-18 07:29:26, you wrote to me:

From what I've read so far, it will take a lot of work to change
over.

Probably, hydrogen gas differs a lot from natural gas...

I did read metal pipes would corrode quicker with hydrogen.

Possibly. What also might be a factor is the plastic pipes they use these days. They might be more porous to hydrogen, because H2 is probably a smaller molecule, compared to natural gas.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 11/18/20 2:38 PM you wrote:

Probably, hydrogen gas differs a lot from natural gas...

I did read metal pipes would corrode quicker with hydrogen.

Possibly. What also might be a factor is the plastic pipes they
use these days. They might be more porous to hydrogen, because H2
is probably a smaller molecule, compared to natural gas.

That's true. Although I did see something about polyethylene pipes working well.

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Hi Charles,

On 2020-11-18 08:43:35, you wrote to me:

Probably, hydrogen gas differs a lot from natural gas...

I did read metal pipes would corrode quicker with hydrogen.

Possibly. What also might be a factor is the plastic pipes they
use these days. They might be more porous to hydrogen, because H2
is probably a smaller molecule, compared to natural gas.

That's true. Although I did see something about polyethylene pipes

working

well.

Good to know! ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 11/18/20 3:57 PM you wrote:

That's true. Although I did see something about polyethylene
pipes working well.

Good to know! ;)

It's amazing what you learn when sleep avoids you and something gets your interest.

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Hi Charles!

17 Nov 20 19:34, you wrote to me:

https://www.petroleum-economist.com/articles/midstream-
downstream/pipelines/2020/hydrogen-to-breathe-new-life-into-
dutch-pipelines] Maybe it is something just for industry, not
homes.

Possibly, that link is giving me a 404 error.

Looks like that one would need some cut-n-paste gymnastics.

Did you get everything from "http.." right to end of "..dutch-piplines" ?

Maybe a <CR> inbetween tripped things up.



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Hi Charles!

18 Nov 20 07:29, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

I did read metal pipes would corrode quicker with hydrogen.

Using the existing system of pipes? Maybe they can run a bot through them to apply some kind of coating. Don't they run welder bots for repairs?

Or... slide in sections of plastic into existing pipes?

Which reminds me.. When my family house was built, I remember my mom telling my dad that instead of just laying down the phone cables a few feet under the ground as-is between pole and house, lay down a pvc pipe and feed the phone lines through that.

My dad, as often embarrased that a woman would have a better idea, resisted.

Years later, when we needed phone line servicing (and more lines for my BBS <g>) ran into problems. It would have been easier to feed extra cables through a pvc pipe on day-one for future consideration and when needing to switch cable pairs.



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Hello, August Abolins.
On 11/18/20 5:23 PM you wrote:

Hi Charles! 18 Nov 20 07:29, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

I did read metal pipes would corrode quicker with hydrogen.

Using the existing system of pipes? Maybe they can run a bot
through them to apply some kind of coating. Don't they run welder
bots for repairs?

No idea really. My experience is restricted to primarily drilling and logging equipment. I was variously in warehousing, inventory and shipping for a manufacturing facility. I picked up random things here and there, but maintenance on pipelines wasn't part of it.

Or... slide in sections of plastic into existing pipes?

That might be possible, but it would depend on costs. It could be cheaper in the long run to just replace it, figuring maintenance, etc.


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