My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

When the windows is created, it has no titlebar and thus none of control buttons. Putting the mouse on the border no longer gives the possibility
of changing the size of the window. In systemsettings, alt-mousebuttons
is set to enable resizing and moving, but that does not work.
I am completely unable to figure out how to bring proper behaviour back.

My own account on that machine does not have this problem, so it is a individual user configuration problem.

What do I do to let her regain control of her windows?

I have looked thoughout systemsettings, and can find nothing anywhere
which would allow me to do so.

We have closed down her session, and relogged in-- no change.
Note that SystemSettings has no quit button so the only way I can get
out of SystemSettings is to open a terminal from the Mageia Menu (the
desktop Konsole is hidden by the SystemSettings window) and type in
killall systemsettings5
Note also that all windows open with the same size in the top left
corner of the desktop.

Mageia 6 updated. Desktop machine Desktop is KDE Plasma.




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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing


Another thing, I have crossmonted her home directory to my Mageia 7
machine and I get the same problem if she logs in there. So it is not
some Mageia 6 peculiarity.
On 2020-08-20, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

When the windows is created, it has no titlebar and thus none of control buttons. Putting the mouse on the border no longer gives the possibility
of changing the size of the window. In systemsettings, alt-mousebuttons
is set to enable resizing and moving, but that does not work.
I am completely unable to figure out how to bring proper behaviour back.

My own account on that machine does not have this problem, so it is a individual user configuration problem.

What do I do to let her regain control of her windows?

I have looked thoughout systemsettings, and can find nothing anywhere
which would allow me to do so.

We have closed down her session, and relogged in-- no change.
Note that SystemSettings has no quit button so the only way I can get
out of SystemSettings is to open a terminal from the Mageia Menu (the
desktop Konsole is hidden by the SystemSettings window) and type in
killall systemsettings5
Note also that all windows open with the same size in the top left
corner of the desktop.

Mageia 6 updated. Desktop machine Desktop is KDE Plasma.

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 8/20/20 2:21 PM, William Unruh wrote:

Another thing, I have crossmonted her home directory to my Mageia 7
machine and I get the same problem if she logs in there. So it is not
some Mageia 6 peculiarity.
On 2020-08-20, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

When the windows is created, it has no titlebar and thus none of control
buttons. Putting the mouse on the border no longer gives the possibility
of changing the size of the window. In systemsettings, alt-mousebuttons
is set to enable resizing and moving, but that does not work.
I am completely unable to figure out how to bring proper behaviour back.

My own account on that machine does not have this problem, so it is a
individual user configuration problem.

What do I do to let her regain control of her windows?

I have looked thoughout systemsettings, and can find nothing anywhere
which would allow me to do so.

We have closed down her session, and relogged in-- no change.
Note that SystemSettings has no quit button so the only way I can get
out of SystemSettings is to open a terminal from the Mageia Menu (the
desktop Konsole is hidden by the SystemSettings window) and type in
killall systemsettings5
Note also that all windows open with the same size in the top left
corner of the desktop.

Mageia 6 updated. Desktop machine Desktop is KDE Plasma.

If it was my machine I would create a new account for her and
carefully import her data files. Then recreate her preferred desktop
ambiance very carefully checking as you go. If you change the
password on her original account then she can use it on on the new
account. Then when she is happy with the new, delete her old
account. And likely the update was intended for Mageia 7 but
don't they stop supporting old versions after a reasonable
amount of time has passed? So she and you should run your updates
to the same versions in tandem.

Just my simple-minded suggestions.

bliss

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

William Unruh wrote:

windows no longer have a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to
maximize, minimize, move or destroy the window). I cannot figure out
how to bring everything back

Mageia 6 updated. Desktop machine Desktop is KDE Plasma.

I don't have a Mageia kde handy, but I read an old entry in a Mint forum
(of all places; someone had converted a MintMate to KDE).

He said the condition can be duplicated/caused by R click titlebar and
choose More Actions/ No borders. Presumably 'by accident' !?

This results in no borders and also no titlebar! Naturally that is a
catch-22 because you can't re-click the titlebar to return to the
setting to undo it.

I booted a current Neon KDE and killed/disappeared the titlebar by using
No borders as above. Upon doing so, I got a warning which describes the problem of no titlebar and gives/explains an alt-F3 remedy.

That remedy is to locate the focus in a window (I was using the Dolphin
file manager's) and alt-F3 gave me access to that More actions No
borders again which I could unclick and get my titlebar back.

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:00:39 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

alt+f3, hover the mouse over the more actions line and then unselect the box for
the no border option.

Regards, Dave Hodgins


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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 2020-08-20, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

William Unruh wrote:

windows no longer have a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to
maximize, minimize, move or destroy the window). I cannot figure out
how to bring everything back

Mageia 6 updated. Desktop machine Desktop is KDE Plasma.

I don't have a Mageia kde handy, but I read an old entry in a Mint forum
(of all places; someone had converted a MintMate to KDE).

He said the condition can be duplicated/caused by R click titlebar and choose More Actions/ No borders. Presumably 'by accident' !?

This results in no borders and also no titlebar! Naturally that is a catch-22 because you can't re-click the titlebar to return to the
setting to undo it.

I booted a current Neon KDE and killed/disappeared the titlebar by using
No borders as above. Upon doing so, I got a warning which describes the problem of no titlebar and gives/explains an alt-F3 remedy.

That remedy is to locate the focus in a window (I was using the Dolphin
file manager's) and alt-F3 gave me access to that More actions No
borders again which I could unclick and get my titlebar back.

Sounds like what might have happened. However none of the solutions
work.
I open a konsole window, left click on the window ( so typing in the
window appears on the console line.) If I click alt-F3 all I get is a
capital R appearing on the line. No menu.
If I go SystemSetting->Application Style->Window-decorations and all I
get is a button at the bottom saying "BorderSize" which says Normal. If
I click to change that to very large say, and click on Huge say, and
Apply, still no border or titlebar on anything.



One web page suggested kwin_x11 --replace
kwin_x11 was not running for that user (my wife) and that worked. But
clearly one should NOT have to run that command each time one logged in

From a web page, looking in .config/ksmserverrc, the line restartCommand1=/usr/bin/kwin_x11,-session,10dfdeded200015337970110000002921000 4_1591029939_826251
was not there. Now that last part I have no idea what it is supposed to
be, so I used the number for an old backup on installation for that
number. Now things work.

This is completely insane. Why was kwin_x11 no longer running? My wife
logged in and out a number of times, and it seems kwin_x11 was never started
in any of those.



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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

William Unruh wrote:

I open a konsole window, left click on the window ( so typing in the
window appears on the console line.) If I click alt-F3 all I get is a
capital R appearing on the line.

I can't figure out how to make the above happen in Neon.

No matter whether I focus by L click in the file area of Dolphin (or
Konsole) or that console line, I get the same menu to fix the problem.

I can't get alt-F3 to put an R in the konsole line.

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 2020-08-20, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:00:39 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

alt+f3, hover the mouse over the more actions line and then unselect the box

for

the no border option.

Unfortunately that did not work. Alt F3 did nothing (well if the window
was a Konsole window, I would get a R on the command line when I hit
alt-F3. Certainly no menu. ) I tried alt-F3 on my account ( where the titlebar/border had not disappeared) and I got that menu. But on the
problem account, no menu appeared.

It seems that kwin_x11 was not running on that account at all. If I
either started kwin_x11 (eg kwin_x11 --replace & in the Konsole window) the windows suddenly had
borders and title bar. So, for some reason kwin_x11 was not being
started when I started X (startx -- :2 or plasma logon screen)

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 2020-08-21, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

William Unruh wrote:

I open a konsole window, left click on the window ( so typing in the
window appears on the console line.) If I click alt-F3 all I get is a
capital R appearing on the line.

I can't figure out how to make the above happen in Neon.

No matter whether I focus by L click in the file area of Dolphin (or Konsole) or that console line, I get the same menu to fix the problem.

I can't get alt-F3 to put an R in the konsole line.

Try killing kwin_x11 and see what happens (I have not tried this, but
the bad account did not have kwin_x11 running while the good account
did)


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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 20/08/2020 23.00, William Unruh wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

When the windows is created, it has no titlebar and thus none of control buttons. Putting the mouse on the border no longer gives the possibility
of changing the size of the window. In systemsettings, alt-mousebuttons
is set to enable resizing and moving, but that does not work.
I am completely unable to figure out how to bring proper behaviour back.

Note also that all windows open with the same size in the top left
corner of the desktop.

Could be a universal windows setting that someone has configured, check "windows management/window rules"

Also a broken windows decoration would make the borders disappear, so I
would recommend to try to change in "application style/window
decorations", but this wouldn't affect the size and location of newly
opened windows. An update of KDE can break a custom window decoration as
those ain't updated unless you manually update them and then it depends
on the author to see it's up to date with the latest KDE version.


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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 2020-08-21, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

On 2020-08-20, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:00:39 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >>

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have >>> a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

alt+f3, hover the mouse over the more actions line and then unselect the box for
the no border option.

Unfortunately that did not work. Alt F3 did nothing (well if the window
was a Konsole window, I would get a R on the command line when I hit
alt-F3. Certainly no menu. ) I tried alt-F3 on my account ( where the titlebar/border had not disappeared) and I got that menu. But on the
problem account, no menu appeared.

It seems that kwin_x11 was not running on that account at all. If I
either started kwin_x11 (eg kwin_x11 --replace & in the Konsole window) the

windows suddenly had

borders and title bar. So, for some reason kwin_x11 was not being
started when I started X (startx -- :2 or plasma logon screen)

So you ran it without kwin?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse moving/resizing

William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-08-20, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:00:39 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >>

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have >>> a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

alt+f3, hover the mouse over the more actions line and then unselect the box for
the no border option.

Unfortunately that did not work. Alt F3 did nothing (well if the window
was a Konsole window, I would get a R on the command line when I hit
alt-F3. Certainly no menu. ) I tried alt-F3 on my account ( where the titlebar/border had not disappeared) and I got that menu. But on the
problem account, no menu appeared.

It seems that kwin_x11 was not running on that account at all. If I
either started kwin_x11 (eg kwin_x11 --replace & in the Konsole window) the

windows suddenly had

borders and title bar. So, for some reason kwin_x11 was not being
started when I started X (startx -- :2 or plasma logon screen)

Anyone who remembers bringing up vanilla X11 and starting
an Xterm, is familiar with the loss of decoration (title bar)
and inability to move the windows around. To tile the desktop
surface in those days, you gave XYWH as parameters to the
program being started, so they would not overlap. You could
position a program when launched from the command line, or
from .xinitrc or whatever.

Then, as soon as you started TWM, some minimal crappy decorations
would appear, and you could move the windows around the screen.

And in 2020, you want to find the equivalent of the TWM function,
the "Window Manager", because it traditionally was the one
giving decorations.

Paul

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 2020-08-21, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:

On 2020-08-21, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

On 2020-08-20, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:00:39 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have >>>> a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

alt+f3, hover the mouse over the more actions line and then unselect the box for
the no border option.

Unfortunately that did not work. Alt F3 did nothing (well if the window
was a Konsole window, I would get a R on the command line when I hit
alt-F3. Certainly no menu. ) I tried alt-F3 on my account ( where the
titlebar/border had not disappeared) and I got that menu. But on the
problem account, no menu appeared.

It seems that kwin_x11 was not running on that account at all. If I
either started kwin_x11 (eg kwin_x11 --replace & in the Konsole window) the windows suddenly had
borders and title bar. So, for some reason kwin_x11 was not being
started when I started X (startx -- :2 or plasma logon screen)

So you ran it without kwin?

It was running without kwin for at least a day until I restarted it. I
have no idea what killed it, and why when my wife relogged into X abount
4 times it was never restarted when her X came up again. I thiught it
was in .config/ksmserverrc where my own system had
program1=/usr/bin/kwin_x1 restartCommand1=/usr/bin/kwin_x11,-session,10dfdeded200015337970110000002921000 4_1591029939_826251

but then I created a new user test, and logged in and started X, and it
was running kwin_x11 and there was no mention of kwin* in .config/ksmserverrc

(Note that there is a separate kwin_x11 process running for each X
for each user-- it is not a global program).

So I have no idea where kwin_x11 is started and why it was not started
for her.

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Subject: Re: Windows in Plasma have lost titlebar and all mouse
moving/resizing

On 2020-08-21, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

On 20/08/2020 23.00, William Unruh wrote:

My wife's logon configuration has changed so that windows no longer have
a titlebar (and thus lost all ability to maximize, minimize, move or
destroy the window). I cannot figure out how to bring everything back

When the windows is created, it has no titlebar and thus none of control
buttons. Putting the mouse on the border no longer gives the possibility
of changing the size of the window. In systemsettings, alt-mousebuttons
is set to enable resizing and moving, but that does not work.
I am completely unable to figure out how to bring proper behaviour back.

Note also that all windows open with the same size in the top left
corner of the desktop.

Could be a universal windows setting that someone has configured, check "windows management/window rules"

Nope. kwin_x11 whose not running was the culprit, is started for each
user running X on a system. Thus my own X was fine. No problems with
borders or title bars, which was running on the same machine at the same
time as her broken X was running.
Basically all SystemSettings are per user, not global, and Window rules
are separate for each.

She was using one of the standard Windows decorations (Breeze I believe)
and I am running Plastic. Once I started up kwin_x11 hers worked fine.

Also a broken windows decoration would make the borders disappear, so I would recommend to try to change in "application style/window
decorations", but this wouldn't affect the size and location of newly
opened windows. An update of KDE can break a custom window decoration as those ain't updated unless you manually update them and then it depends
on the author to see it's up to date with the latest KDE version.

In our case we use on of the stock Mageia windows/borders decorations.
It is true that I updated her machine about 4 days ago, but her machine
machine and mine use the same home directory, and the problem was there
on both machines. (If she logged in on my machine or on hers, she got no titlebar/borders, while I did get them on both systems)




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