By 91, every area had more than one local BBS, and 2400 baud modems could be bought for cheap at the Electronics Boutique in the mall. ISP's didn't take over in my area until 96-97. Getting Windows 95 was the main reason many of our customers chose to upgrade. they have been happy with their 386's and 486's with 2400 baud modems, and were forced to move to a Pentium and a 14.4k modem
Ennev wrote to Moondog <=-
Look windows now. Windows 11 requires you to have TPM 2.0. It's known
that it could also be done software side. But hey! We need to sell new machines.
I'm sure it will motivate some to switch to Linux.
Ennev wrote to Moondog <=-
Look windows now. Windows 11 requires you to have TPM 2.0. It's known that it could also be done software side. But hey! We need to sell new machines.
I'm sure it will motivate some to switch to Linux.
For me, that was Windows 2000 - and I've never regretted the switch.
... If it's useless, it will have to be documented.Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system, dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of, so I jumped ship.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Boraxman to Dr. What on Thu May 12 2022 08:55 pm
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system, dumbe down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of, so I jumpe ship.
Windows 98 still had DOS mode..?
Nightfox
Yes. Windows 95 and 98 ran DOS 7. DOS 7 would boot, then windows would load
Windows ME I think was based on the same, but just didn't offer the option or capability to boot to DOS.
DOS 7 was a stripped down version of DOS 6.
Yes, ME was a slight alteration of 98SE, but 98SE seemed more stable. I cannot remember if ME completely removed the boot to DOS capability or not, though.
DOS 7 was a stripped down version of DOS 6.
Yes to this also. Some of the utilities that remained may have been upgraded somehow, but many that were present in DOS 6.22 were missing in 7.
Indeed it did! Back in those days, I serviced a ton of school districts who used an old courseware package from IBM called ICLAS. ICLAS ran on NetWare 3.x servers, and provided educational software, student/class administration, and a menuing system for the users. The ICLAS client-side wo also not run within Win9x. When the 9x boxes began appearing in one district had to come up with a dual-boot config for them, which eventually became the standard for all of the other districts who were still hanging on to ICLAS.
I kind of miss those days. I dealt with all kinds of fun things, like 4Mbps Token Ring LANs with the big square IBM IDC connectors, diskless
386 workstations that would RPL boot to the NetWare server...
o
(O)
BeLLy
Windows ME I think was based on the same, but just didn't offer the option capability to boot to DOS.
Yes, ME was a slight alteration of 98SE, but 98SE seemed more stable. I cannot remember if ME completely removed the boot to DOS capability or not, though.
DOS 7 was a stripped down version of DOS 6.
Yes to this also. Some of the utilities that remained may have been upgraded somehow, but many that were present in DOS 6.22 were missing in 7.
* SLMR 2.1a * Remember when safe sex was not getting caught in the act?
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sat May 14 2022 09:29 am
Yes, ME was a slight alteration of 98SE, but 98SE seemed more stable. I cannot remember if ME completely removed the boot to DOS capability or not, though.
From what I remember, ME did remove the ability to boot only to DOS. Also, many people complained about ME being one of the worst versions of Windows, I ran it for a little while and didn't have a problem with it. It seemed fairly stable, but I guess everyone had a different experience. And actuall one thing that seemed to be fixed in ME that often seemed broken in 98 was t it would actually shut down fully.. With Windows 98, often I remember Windo getting stuck at the "Windows is shutting down" screen but it wouldn't actua fully shut down. I don't remember if there was a fix for that in Windows 98 though, but I imagine there had to have been..
DOS 7 was a stripped down version of DOS 6.
Yes to this also. Some of the utilities that remained may have been upgraded somehow, but many that were present in DOS 6.22 were missing i 7.
Yes, I think the idea was that there were supposed to be Windows 9x equivale for most of those DOS tools, and since MS-DOS 7 came only with Windows 9x, t figured they didn't need to include DOS versions of those tools.
Nightfox
Belly wrote to Boraxman <=-
I kind of miss those days. I dealt with all kinds of fun things, like 4Mbps Token Ring LANs with the big square IBM IDC connectors, diskless
386 workstations that would RPL boot to the NetWare server...
Windows ME was also pretty unreliable and crappy. I recall trying to fix
The small incremental improvements now are barely noticable, and no longer h that level of excitement.
I had to do an audit back in 1992, and one of the items was a total of
all disk storage. Between a VAX, 2 IBM S/38s and an AS/400 a Netware
network and LAN Manager network, I came up with about 50 gigs of
space.
tually shut down fully.. With Windows 98, often I remember Windows getting st
k at the "Windows is shutting down" screen but it wouldn't actually fully shut
own. I don't remember if there was a fix for that in Windows 98 though, but I
magine there had to have been..
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've
seen the way some folks drive, and that might just be for
the best :)
Flying cars HAVE arrived. The human-size drone concept seems to
be gaining traction. The machines are poised to be fully
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated
reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system,
dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of,
so I jumped ship.
Windows 98 still had DOS mode..?
I kind of miss those days. I dealt with all kinds of fun things, like 4Mbps Token Ring LANs with the big square IBM IDC connectors, diskless 386 workstations that would RPL boot to the NetWare server...
Yeah, solutions were creative when resources were low. I did token
ring and ARCNet, and supported a company effectively with a fraction
of the computing power we have now.
I had to do an audit back in 1992, and one of the items was a total of
all disk storage. Between a VAX, 2 IBM S/38s and an AS/400 a Netware
network and LAN Manager network, I came up with about 50 gigs of
space.
This was for a mail order/retail company with hundreds of millions in revenue and 300+ employees.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Sun May 15 2022 11:40:28
Windows ME was also pretty unreliable and crappy. I recall trying to fix
It had some issues with a lot of drivers at the time, iirc, among other thin It really was the worst version of Windows :). The issues someone else mentioned that were taken care of in ME were also taken care of in 98SE(2).
I think the PC platform is mature now, and that's the reason. The technological improvements these days are in so many other areas. When I was using a 300 baud acoustic-coupled modem, I never dreamed that I would have a data connection to the entire world that could transfer 2Gbps, nor would I h been able to even wrap my head around the concept of a Giga-anything. My computer had 16k of RAM and ran at 4MHz then.I hope they never make flying cars ubiquitous. The visual pollution would be horrendous, the traffic would blot out the sun.
A few years later, burning tires in my old truck that felt fast at the time, with a V8 with an output of 180HP, I couldn't have imagined that today I wou own a vehicle with a 300HP four-cylinder, and that I would be able to sit ba and watch as its computer drove me down the highway using a combination of cameras and radar.
Or the amount of computing power we carry around in our pockets... Or the energy density of modern batteries.
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've seen the way some folks drive, and that might just be for the best :)
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sat May 14 2022 03:04 pm
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sat May 14 2022 09:29 am
Yes, ME was a slight alteration of 98SE, but 98SE seemed more stable cannot remember if ME completely removed the boot to DOS capability not, though.
From what I remember, ME did remove the ability to boot only to DOS. Als many people complained about ME being one of the worst versions of Window I ran it for a little while and didn't have a problem with it. It seemed fairly stable, but I guess everyone had a different experience. And actu one thing that seemed to be fixed in ME that often seemed broken in 98 wa it would actually shut down fully.. With Windows 98, often I remember Wi getting stuck at the "Windows is shutting down" screen but it wouldn't ac fully shut down. I don't remember if there was a fix for that in Windows though, but I imagine there had to have been..
DOS 7 was a stripped down version of DOS 6.
Yes to this also. Some of the utilities that remained may have been upgraded somehow, but many that were present in DOS 6.22 were missin 7.
Yes, I think the idea was that there were supposed to be Windows 9x equiv for most of those DOS tools, and since MS-DOS 7 came only with Windows 9x figured they didn't need to include DOS versions of those tools.
Nightfox
I hated that issue with Windows 98, it not shutting down. When I switched t PC with a soft power off function, it drove me nuts. It maybe shut down a third of the time, and made me think that the 'soft power off' function was crappy regression.
When I moved to an OS which DID shut down everytime, my views of this functionality turned 180 degrees.
Hello Belly!
** On Sunday 15.05.22 - 09:20, Belly wrote to Boraxman:
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've
seen the way some folks drive, and that might just be for
the best :)
Flying cars HAVE arrived. The human-size drone concept seems to
be gaining traction. The machines are poised to be fully
automated "taxi" services that you could order to arrive at
your chosen point of departure and take you straight to where
you want to go.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Belly to Boraxman on Sun May 15 2022 09:20 am
I think the PC platform is mature now, and that's the reason. The technological improvements these days are in so many other areas. When I using a 300 baud acoustic-coupled modem, I never dreamed that I would hav data connection to the entire world that could transfer 2Gbps, nor would been able to even wrap my head around the concept of a Giga-anything. My computer had 16k of RAM and ran at 4MHz then.
A few years later, burning tires in my old truck that felt fast at the ti with a V8 with an output of 180HP, I couldn't have imagined that today I own a vehicle with a 300HP four-cylinder, and that I would be able to sit and watch as its computer drove me down the highway using a combination o cameras and radar.
Or the amount of computing power we carry around in our pockets... Or the energy density of modern batteries.
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've seen the way som folks drive, and that might just be for the best :)I hope they never make flying cars ubiquitous. The visual pollution would b horrendous, the traffic would blot out the sun.
Indeed the platform has matured, which does make it more boring. The deskto computer I have is 13 years old, and more than powerful enough for what I ne to do day to day. You couldn't have said that about any 13 year old compute in the 2000's or earlier. There simply is enough CPU power, RAM, resolution data transfer capabilities do what we want computers to do (At least in our limited vision) comfortably.
I do want some simplicity back though.
I do want some simplicity back though.
Windows ME couldn't boot to DOS, which to me was a big red warning to move away from Windows. It in part prompted me to look into Linux.
All my friends skipped over it, going from 98 to Windows 2000. In fact, that one machine I tried to fix may have been the only one I ever used with Windows
ME on it. It was a computer I built for a work colleague.
Back in 2000, a 13 year old pc would be 286, maybe an early 386. A Pentium 2 500Mhz machine with 64-128meg of memory blows it away in abilities and speed.
Flying cars HAVE arrived. The human-size drone concept
seems to be gaining traction. The machines are poised to be
fully
Has there been any recent chatter on that front? A few
years ago I used to hear about startups with their new
machines, but not much lately.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu May 12 2022 08:24 am
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated
reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system,
dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of,
so I jumped ship.
Windows 98 still had DOS mode..?
Yes, but unlike Windows 95 you couldn't just shell into DOS, you could stil use DOS though.
... More Oxymoron's: Free Love, Jumbo Shrimp, Freezer Burn.
Re: we still don't have flyin
By: Ogg to Belly on Sun May 15 2022 12:53 pm
Hello Belly!
** On Sunday 15.05.22 - 09:20, Belly wrote to Boraxman:
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've
seen the way some folks drive, and that might just be for
the best :)
Flying cars HAVE arrived. The human-size drone concept seems to
be gaining traction. The machines are poised to be fully
automated "taxi" services that you could order to arrive at
your chosen point of departure and take you straight to where
you want to go.
The travel times and distances aren't that great per battery capacity. For safety reasons in densely populated areas, flight patterns and special fligh rules need to be established. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm impressed with the demos I've seen, but we're a ways from a mature technology.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Boraxman to Belly on Mon May 16 2022 09:29 am
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Belly to Boraxman on Sun May 15 2022 09:20 am
I think the PC platform is mature now, and that's the reason. The technological improvements these days are in so many other areas. When using a 300 baud acoustic-coupled modem, I never dreamed that I would data connection to the entire world that could transfer 2Gbps, nor wou been able to even wrap my head around the concept of a Giga-anything. computer had 16k of RAM and ran at 4MHz then.
A few years later, burning tires in my old truck that felt fast at the with a V8 with an output of 180HP, I couldn't have imagined that today own a vehicle with a 300HP four-cylinder, and that I would be able to and watch as its computer drove me down the highway using a combinatio cameras and radar.
Or the amount of computing power we carry around in our pockets... Or energy density of modern batteries.
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've seen the way folks drive, and that might just be for the best :)I hope they never make flying cars ubiquitous. The visual pollution woul horrendous, the traffic would blot out the sun.
Indeed the platform has matured, which does make it more boring. The des computer I have is 13 years old, and more than powerful enough for what I to do day to day. You couldn't have said that about any 13 year old comp in the 2000's or earlier. There simply is enough CPU power, RAM, resolut data transfer capabilities do what we want computers to do (At least in o limited vision) comfortably.
I do want some simplicity back though.
Back in 2000, a 13 year old pc would be 286, maybe an early 386. A Pentium 500Mhz machine with 64-128meg of memory blows it away in abilities and speed.
I have a laptop from 2009 that still runs well for surfing, Libre Office, an Skype/ zoom meetings. Installing linux was the best improvement to keep it usable.
I am trying to remember when it was I started drooling
over the 386 DX 40's in the computer magazines. It was sometime between
1987 and 1990. :)
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Sun May 15 2022 11:40 am
Windows ME couldn't boot to DOS, which to me was a big red warning to m away from Windows. It in part prompted me to look into Linux.
Later versions of Windows don't boot into DOS either. Is there a need to bo directly into DOS these days?
Nightfox
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
Installing linux was the best improvement to keep it usable.
Belly wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Your old network and mine do have one thing in common, though: Novell.
Or these days, Micro Focus. NetWare may be gone, but Open Enterprise Server on top of Linux is not. And eDirectory is still more robust and flexible than AD ever was. And ZENworks is the bees knees for desktop management!
Belly wrote to Boraxman <=-
A few years later, burning tires in my old truck that felt fast at the time, with a V8 with an output of 180HP, I couldn't have imagined that today I would own a vehicle with a 300HP four-cylinder, and that I
would be able to sit back and watch as its computer drove me down the highway using a combination of cameras and radar.
By 91, every area had more than one local BBS, and 2400 baud modems could be bought for cheap at the Electronics Boutique in the mall. ISP's didn't take over in my area until 96-97. Getting Windows 95 was the main reason many of our customers chose to upgrade. they have been happy with their 386's and 486's with 2400 baud modems, and were forced to move to a Pentium and a 14.4k modem
Look windows now. Windows 11 requires you to have TPM 2.0. It's known that it could also be done software side. But hey! We need to sell new machines.
I'm sure it will motivate some to switch to Linux.
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system, dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of, so I jumped ship.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Boraxman to Dr. What on Thu May 12 2022 08:55 pm
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system, dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of, so I jumped ship.
Windows 98 still had DOS mode..?
Hello Belly!
** On Sunday 15.05.22 - 09:20, Belly wrote to Boraxman:
Of course, we still don't have flying cars yet, but I've
seen the way some folks drive, and that might just be for
the best :)
Flying cars HAVE arrived. The human-size drone concept seems to
be gaining traction. The machines are poised to be fully
automated "taxi" services that you could order to arrive at
your chosen point of departure and take you straight to where
you want to go.
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated
reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system,
dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of,
so I jumped ship.
Windows 98 still had DOS mode..?
Yes, but unlike Windows 95 you couldn't just shell into DOS, you could still use DOS though.
as you can see i have a perfectly working copy of windows 98 now! https://i.imgur.com/ZOBI1IZ.png
Has there been any recent chatter on that front? A few
years ago I used to hear about startups with their new
machines, but not much lately.
One good report on the matter is a 60 Minutes episode from a
just a few weeks ago.
I would love to see that in action. It's nice to know there are
options out there, but so hard to find examples.
I was a Novell admin back in the 2.2/3.11/4.1 days and was a fan of
Novell's directory services when AD started making inroads.
than a 1977 'Vette! And, the rest of the cars - DOT headlights, 85 mph speedometers, and rust!
40s I'm not sure. 25s were around for Christmas 1998, so I'm going to put
33s being common late 1990. That'd put the AMD 40 in 1991.
Looking backwards, it's amazing how lethargic US engine tech was back
in the late 70s and 80s. My 2002 Camry 6 cylinder had more horsepower
than a 1977 'Vette! And, the rest of the cars - DOT headlights, 85 mph speedometers, and rust!
MRO wrote to Ennev <=-
Look windows now. Windows 11 requires you to have TPM 2.0. It's known that it could also be done software side. But hey! We need to sell new machines.
I'm sure it will motivate some to switch to Linux.
you also have to be morbidly obese according to its current advertisements.
The 1977 had a 140mph speedometer. If I'm not mistaken, that would be the last year for that body style, as they would go to a fastback style the next year and the dreaded 88mph speedo.
1977 was 160mph. I think the rest of that body style (79-82) had 140mph.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
DosBox is good enough now.
Boraxman wrote to Moondog <=-
services and work even more. "Yeah, we can build in the middle of nowhere, people can fly 30knm to school..."
Yeah I think you're correct. It's been a while since I've seen one. I just know it went past 80!
Windows 2000 onwards was based on Windows NT. This was new technology, a different kernel. The core OS booted instead of hitching on to DOS.
Windows ME couldn't boot to DOS, which to me was a big red warning
to m away from Windows. It in part prompted me to look into Linux.
There is rarely a need to boot into DOS. The only times I've had to, is to do a firmware update, but that was a while ago.
Boraxman wrote to Moondog <=-
services and work even more. "Yeah, we can build in the middle of nowhere, people can fly 30knm to school..."
"Why, when I was your age, I had to fly 30km to school -- in a headwind --
each way!"
... Where is the edge?
when within windows and you are loading the dos prompt or command prompt that's not really 'dos'; that's just an emulator.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: MRO to Denn on Mon May 16 2022 09:30 am
when within windows and you are loading the dos prompt or command prompt that's not really 'dos'; that's just an emulator.
With the command prompt in Windows, there's no emulation going on. The command prompt is a native Windows program, and the only time any sort of emulation would be involved is if you run a 16-bit DOS program, where it would run in the NTVDM.
Windows 2000 onwards was based on Windows NT. This was new technology, different kernel. The core OS booted instead of hitching on to DOS.
Yep, I'm aware of that.
Windows ME couldn't boot to DOS, which to me was a big red warning Bo>> to m away from Windows. It in part prompted me to look into Linux.
There is rarely a need to boot into DOS. The only times I've had to, is do a firmware update, but that was a while ago.
You had said ME not booting into DOS was a warning to move away from Windows It sounded like you still wanted to be able to boot into DOS..?
Nightfox
Flying cars HAVE arrived. The human-size drone concept seems to
be gaining traction. The machines are poised to be fully
automated "taxi" services that you could order to arrive at
your chosen point of departure and take you straight to where
you want to go.
I do want some simplicity back though.
You will find no arguments from me!
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yes. I still used to play DOS games, and I would program in C using
DJGPP and Turbo C, use DOS music players. I kept the habits from my relatively recent DOS 6.22 days. You could run DOS programs in
Windows, but it didn't work as well.
Look windows now. Windows 11 requires you to have TPM 2.0. It's known
that it could also be done software side. But hey! We need to sell new machines.
I'm sure it will motivate some to switch to Linux.
I kind of miss those days. I dealt with all kinds of fun things, like 4Mbps Token Ring LANs with the big square IBM IDC connectors, diskless
386 workstations that would RPL boot to the NetWare server...
Windows ME couldn't boot to DOS, which to me was a big red warning to move awayI never really ran DOS based windows after Windows 95... I mean I
from Windows. It in part prompted me to look into Linux.
I have no fondness for Token Ring networking... none.
I ran my BBS natively under OS/2 for several years, and have a copy
of Qedit, one of my favorite editors, for DOS and OS/2. The OS/2
version ran much more smoothly in a DOS window than the DOS version.
Although, if I had to choose between Token Ring and Thicknet/10base5, with vampire taps and AUI cables running to the NICs in the machines, I think I'd choose TR, for sure! One of my clients in the 90s was a school that had 10base5. Those taps would always oxidize or loosen over time, and you'd have to repeatedly climb up in the ceiling to wiggle the transceiver. That was a huge pain.
I ran the old thick token ring cabling, that was a pain in the butt. 16 mbit
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Belly to Tracker1 on Fri May 20 2022 09:45 pm
Although, if I had to choose between Token Ring and Thicknet/10base5, wi vampire taps and AUI cables running to the NICs in the machines, I think I'd choose TR, for sure! One of my clients in the 90s was a school that 10base5. Those taps would always oxidize or loosen over time, and you'd have to repeatedly climb up in the ceiling to wiggle the transceiver. Th was a huge pain.
I never saw thicknet in the wild, but I had a network that was all ARCnet, i
Old thinnet ethernet, which worked well when running in the spine of a row o
I ran the old thick token ring cabling, that was a pain in the butt. 16 mbit
Belly wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Later we replaced that link with some of the famous homemade 2.4GHz "coffee can" antennas.
I was a contractor in the late 1990's and early 2000's and many of the sites I visited were pulling TR and pulling Cat 6 already. I worked for a company that made continuous air air compressors that had TR in the back of the shop, and ethernet via twisted pair up front. It was all terminals on the factory floor going to their AS-400, then any drops for a PC were freshly ru Ethernet. That is where I first ran into thicket with their version of a T. All during this time I was dealing with twisted pair ethernet, then came across a site where their plant was swapping out coax ethernet for twisted pair, but only the front offices had been done. Occasionally we had to pull a drawing out and a fluke meter to figure out where the network went down on the coax side. Some offices were being renovated or items stored up in the mezzanines, and the T on a segment would get bumped or was sesnitve to dust. It was two projects later before I ran into a place that stay on TR until 2001-2002. They relied heavily on these passive TR hubs, and media adapters to change over the two pair IBM connectors to RJ-45. When we were moving folks to ethernet, we had to use special baluns which had a transformer or something in them so they could be used for ethernet. This worked fine for the time between having actual Cat6 pulled.
Back in the 2000s I signed up for FON.COM, a service where you could
share your internet bandwidth with them, in return for them charging
for access to your bandwidth, and you getting free bandwidth from
others.
Back in the 2000s I signed up for FON.COM, a service where you could
share your internet bandwidth with them, in return for them charging
for access to your bandwidth, and you getting free bandwidth from
others.
That's interesting. I'd never heard of that. Was the cost savings worth the hassle?
--- POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote --- Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Belly to Tracker1 on Fri May 20 2022 09:45
pm
I never saw thicknet in the wild, but I had a network that was all ARCnet, in a star topology. Throw RG6, RG58, hubs connected to hubs, and it still managed to work. I read stories about people running Arcnet between floors using water pipes!
Of course, I have it disabled and reverted to Windows 10 in order to
keep using mostly Linux. Windows is for some work projects where
absolutely needed at this point.
Personal and Work laptops are both M1 Macs (air and max respectively).
Of course early adopter at work for M1 has made building some projects (requiring updates to code, libraries, etc) has be "fun".
Look windows now. Windows 11 requires you to have TPM 2.0. It's known that it could also be done software side. But hey! We need to sell new machines.
Totally. There still isn't a compelling reason to upgrade to Windows 11. It is far less performant than Windows 10 for gaming and even business computing; you won't see massive adoption by "enthusiasts" until a lot of the advanced multimedia libraries, like DirectX, become Windows 11 exclusives.
Where do you see that Windows 11 is far less performant than Windows 10? I've upgraded to Windows 11, and I enjoy playing PC games and haven't seen any reduction in performance. One of the games I sometimes play recently is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, and it runs just fine in Windows 11. I haven't seen any reduction in performance with it.
Where do you see that Windows 11 is far less performant than Windows 10? I've upgraded to Windows 11, and I enjoy playing PC games and haven't seen any reduction in performance. One of the games I sometimes play recently is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, and it runs just fine in Windows 11. I haven't seen any reduction in performance with it.
Cloudflare, see above. Besides, I don't like the fact CLoudflare gets to see, analyze and correlate so much Internet traffic. They are a Google-grade threat for privacy.
Of course, I have it disabled and reverted to Windows 10 in order
to keep using mostly Linux. Windows is for some work projects
where absolutely needed at this point.
Yes, windows is hard to avoid, That's why I still have an Intel mac
so I can run windows with parallels.
Personal and Work laptops are both M1 Macs (air and maxetc) has be "fun".
respectively). Of course early adopter at work for M1 has made
building some projects (requiring updates to code, libraries,
Oddly I'm still waiting. I got bit a few times being an early
adopter and getting Gen 1 stuff, this time I'll wait to see an
eventual M2. I'll see what they'll show at WWDC this June to make
up my mind.
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu May 12 2022 08:24 am
Re: Re: Forced Upgrade
By: Boraxman to Dr. What on Thu May 12 2022 08:55 pm
Windows 98 did it for me. It wasn't that bad, but I hated reinstalling because the OS was broken again.
Seeing MS remove DOS mode, moving towards a more 'closed' system, dumbed down, I decided it wasn't a future I wanted to be a part of, so I jumped ship.
Windows 98 still had DOS mode..?
i think you could reboot to dos.Actually yeah! Last one to ship whas Me, but it was hidden. In 98se you still could press F8 at boot to acces DOS mode and skip autoexec.bat, or you could just "Reboot into DOS". Its boot floppies where also very useful, because it was DOS with CDROM drivers included.
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